The whining...The whining

[JoeB131]

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Staples is good if you need office supplies, especially because they deliver. You only hate Staples because Mitt Romney saved the company! Romney saved the company, and that is just eating you up!

I'd never use them... their prices are too high and their selection is kind of shitty and their underpaid associates don't know what they are talking about half the time.

 

[Jarlaxle]

LOL any of the countries which survived the commie regimes.

Works on the assumption ANY of them were really great shakes before Communism.

You do realize that living in Tsarist Russia kind of sucked if you weren't the Tsar, right?

no, it did not. It was actually getting pretty good before the war started.

The Bolsheviks actually overthrew the FIRST democratically-elected government Russia ever had. The Tsar was already gone by October.

 

[JoeB131]

Works on the assumption ANY of them were really great shakes before Communism.

You do realize that living in Tsarist Russia kind of sucked if you weren't the Tsar, right?

no, it did not. It was actually getting pretty good before the war started.

The Bolsheviks actually overthrew the FIRST democratically-elected government Russia ever had. The Tsar was already gone by October.

A Democratically Elected government that decided they had to continue the Tsar's war against his pissant cousin, the Kaiser.

When most Russians wanted the war to end.

Because it was making their lives miserable.

"Bread, Peace, Land", the Bolsheviks said, and people voted with their feet.

 

[Jarlaxle]

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oh, gosh.

BBC


Joe, I am from the area.

Not form Russia but from the "liberated" blessed ones.

1913 was MUCH better than 1932. Even if it was an empire. It was not a bolshevik empire yet. Everything is relative.

Exponentially.

in any area one can count.

might start with the rate of murdering of the citizens by their own regime.

what western Europeans think of stalin is irrelevant. Russians as well - since they sacrifice their own in millions for centuries - the legacy of Byzantium. So having an empire even based on murder and blood is more important than normal life for some idiots in Russia ( Putin and Co)

what the citizens of the countries which were "blessed" by that atrocity matters.
And don't even let me start the curses they have for the utopia and it's founders.

I think it's relative to what.

Was Stalin an asshole? Yup. Absolutely.

But he probably saved the world from a bigger asshole, namely Hitler.

The problem is, most of the "Liberated" areas after WWII were the countries that threw in with Hitler, who was probably just measuring most of them up to be lampshades. I kind of don't have a lot of sympathy for any of the Warsaw Pact nations except for the Poles. The rest of them all joined the Axis and kind of got what they deserved.

CA-RIST, you're a dumbass! This is the stupidest thing EVER POSTED on the internet! Are you ACTUALLY claiming that countries like Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, and Albania JOINED the Axis?! Are you really this fucking STUPID?!?!

Don't bother to answer: everyone knows you ARE, in fact, this fucking STUPID.

 

[Jarlaxle]

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Staples is good if you need office supplies, especially because they deliver. You only hate Staples because Mitt Romney saved the company! Romney saved the company, and that is just eating you up!

I'd never use them... their prices are too high and their selection is kind of shitty and their underpaid associates don't know what they are talking about half the time.

Yet again: You only hate Staples because Mitt Romney saved the company! Romney saved the company, and that is just eating you up! It's OK, you can admit it, boy.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You give a man a choice between voting for a Democrat and watching his children Starve, the Democrat wins every time.

He'll vote for the freebies that you don't have to give. Who created the welfare state? You said it was the republicans?

No, I said the GOP Created DEPENDENCY.

Not the same thing. But if I explained it to you again, you still wouldn't understand it.

Hey dumb ass what in the fuck do you think the welfare state is? There are people on the system but have become dependent on it.
Children going up in the system never leaving it becoming adults and back into the welfare system.
This is what democrats have created, and you say the republicans did it?

 

[JoeB131]

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CA-RIST, you're a dumbass! This is the stupidest thing EVER POSTED on the internet! Are you ACTUALLY claiming that countries like Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, and Albania JOINED the Axis?! Are you really this fucking STUPID?!?!

Don't bother to answer: everyone knows you ARE, in fact, this fucking STUPID.

Um, yeah, guy, that is exactly what I am saying.

Let's start with Yugoslavia. Yugoslavia attempted to join the Axis. Then revolutionaries overthrew the regent, and Hitler decided to stop fucking with them and just invaded. After he invaded, the Croatians threw in with him, and the Croatian Fascists, known as the Ustate, were so vicious even the Nazis were shocked.

Czechoslovakia- Here's the thing there. After the Sudetenland was tacked back onto Germany, Slovakia, under the leadership of FATHER Joseph Tizo (yes, the guy was a Catholic Priest) asked for independence from Prague and joined the Axis powers.

the Baltic States WELCOMED the Nazis as liberators.

Finally, let's look at Albania. Here's the thing. Before the war, Albania was a client of Italy, even before Mussolini came to power. Which is pretty much why when Mussolini deposed the government they were like, "Meh, whatever? Do we get a chunk of Kosovo now?"

 

[JoeB131]

He'll vote for the freebies that you don't have to give. Who created the welfare state? You said it was the republicans?

No, I said the GOP Created DEPENDENCY.

Not the same thing. But if I explained it to you again, you still wouldn't understand it.

Hey dumb ass what in the fuck do you think the welfare state is? There are people on the system but have become dependent on it.
Children going up in the system never leaving it becoming adults and back into the welfare system.
This is what democrats have created, and you say the republicans did it?

Again, who removed their ability to get good paying jobs?

Ummm... maybe it was the guys who busted unions, signed free trade treaties that sent their jobs overseas, refused to raise the minimum wage to keep up with inflation...

You know, all those things that forced folks who would otherwise HAPPILY WORK to support their families being unable to do so.

Or do you just think people like being on welfare?

 

[JoeB131]

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Staples is good if you need office supplies, especially because they deliver. You only hate Staples because Mitt Romney saved the company! Romney saved the company, and that is just eating you up!

I'd never use them... their prices are too high and their selection is kind of shitty and their underpaid associates don't know what they are talking about half the time.

Yet again: You only hate Staples because Mitt Romney saved the company! Romney saved the company, and that is just eating you up! It's OK, you can admit it, boy.

Romney didn't "Save" the company.

He bought it, he sold it off to someone else.

 

[Vox]

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oh, gosh.

BBC


Joe, I am from the area.

Not form Russia but from the "liberated" blessed ones.

1913 was MUCH better than 1932. Even if it was an empire. It was not a bolshevik empire yet. Everything is relative.

Exponentially.

in any area one can count.

might start with the rate of murdering of the citizens by their own regime.

what western Europeans think of stalin is irrelevant. Russians as well - since they sacrifice their own in millions for centuries - the legacy of Byzantium. So having an empire even based on murder and blood is more important than normal life for some idiots in Russia ( Putin and Co)

what the citizens of the countries which were "blessed" by that atrocity matters.
And don't even let me start the curses they have for the utopia and it's founders.

I think it's relative to what.

Was Stalin an asshole? Yup. Absolutely.

But he probably saved the world from a bigger asshole, namely Hitler.

The problem is, most of the "Liberated" areas after WWII were the countries that threw in with Hitler, who was probably just measuring most of them up to be lampshades. .

No, he did not.
It was actually vice versa. Hitler saved Europe from the liberation by Stalin.
And Stalin was MUCH WORSE than Hitler.
Just by murder numbers. Exponentially worse.

I kind of don't have a lot of sympathy for any of the Warsaw Pact nations except for the Poles. The rest of them all joined the Axis and kind of got what they deserved

wow, aren't you ignorant. Extremely.
half of them were "liberated" by stalin and when Stain and Hitler TOGETHER started WWII by dividing Poland, part of the Warsaw pact nations were ALREADY under Hitler, annexed by him in 1938. Stalin proceeded by "liberation" of the Baltic states but got his teeth kicked in Finland ( GOOD).
Nevertheless he planed to stab his best buddy Hitler in the back and proceed with his plan of soviet liberation until La Manche, but too bad, 2 weeks before his megalomaniac plans Hitler started the war on Soviet front ( he had no choice) and therefore signed his death warrant.

So, technically Western Europe should be grateful to Hitler that they had eventually Western troops defending them from Hitler but not "liberation" by Stalin's troops which was the original plan from the Stalin's viewpoint.

 

[koshergrl]

The only thing that Hitler did wrong was adopt nutty progressive policies.

If he hadn't gone around the bend on eugenics, he'd still be considered a hero by the Germans.

 

[Vox]

Works on the assumption ANY of them were really great shakes before Communism.

You do realize that living in Tsarist Russia kind of sucked if you weren't the Tsar, right?

no, it did not. It was actually getting pretty good before the war started.

The Bolsheviks actually overthrew the FIRST democratically-elected government Russia ever had. The Tsar was already gone by October.

I know. But I did not go into the details. And it was after almost 3 years of war, so Russia was tired and ready for the change. Which the real revolution ( in February) was.
Bolshevik's coup succeeded because Germany gave them money - for the separate peace treaty which Lenin signed.

 

[Vox]

Works on the assumption ANY of them were really great shakes before Communism.

You do realize that living in Tsarist Russia kind of sucked if you weren't the Tsar, right?

no, it did not. It was actually getting pretty good before the war started.

Uh, no, it wasn't.

WHich is why they assassinated Alexander II, had a revolution in 1905, etc.

These were not things HAPPY people do.

This is what happens if you are barely scraping by, and then some asshole starts a war and makes everything a lot worse.

yes it was.
I am talking about 1913, not the year of assassination of Alexander( do you know WHEN was it?), which was more than 20 years before and a lot of reforms, especially by Stolypin changed Russian situation to much better.
And as Jarlaxle pointed out - the real change was the February revolution which was the real one, not the bolshevik's coup paid by Germany

 

[Jarlaxle]

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CA-RIST, you're a dumbass! This is the stupidest thing EVER POSTED on the internet! Are you ACTUALLY claiming that countries like Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, and Albania JOINED the Axis?! Are you really this fucking STUPID?!?!

Don't bother to answer: everyone knows you ARE, in fact, this fucking STUPID.

Um, yeah, guy, that is exactly what I am saying.

Let's start with Yugoslavia. Yugoslavia attempted to join the Axis. Then revolutionaries overthrew the regent, and Hitler decided to stop fucking with them and just invaded. After he invaded, the Croatians threw in with him, and the Croatian Fascists, known as the Ustate, were so vicious even the Nazis were shocked.

Czechoslovakia- Here's the thing there. After the Sudetenland was tacked back onto Germany, Slovakia, under the leadership of FATHER Joseph Tizo (yes, the guy was a Catholic Priest) asked for independence from Prague and joined the Axis powers.

the Baltic States WELCOMED the Nazis as liberators.

Finally, let's look at Albania. Here's the thing. Before the war, Albania was a client of Italy, even before Mussolini came to power. Which is pretty much why when Mussolini deposed the government they were like, "Meh, whatever? Do we get a chunk of Kosovo now?"

Yugoslavia was invaded, after the pro-Axis government was tossed out. (Protesters chanted "Better the grave than a slave, better a war than the pact.")

Considering that they had been INVADED by Stalin in 1940, the Baltic States viewing the Germans as liberators was certainly understandable.

You truly are remarkably stupid.

 

[Jarlaxle]

no, it did not. It was actually getting pretty good before the war started.

The Bolsheviks actually overthrew the FIRST democratically-elected government Russia ever had. The Tsar was already gone by October.

I know. But I did not go into the details. And it was after almost 3 years of war, so Russia was tired and ready for the change. Which the real revolution ( in February) was.
Bolshevik's coup succeeded because Germany gave them money - for the separate peace treaty which Lenin signed.

The infamous "Sealed train" to Finland Station.

 

[Vox]

No, I just see rich people as a bigger threat to my well-being than the government.

that is typical mistake stupid people make before they are crashed by the government machine

but that is more of the story how Hitler closed his grip on the throat of his people which also started to hate rich people and loved the government

 

[Vox]

The Bolsheviks actually overthrew the FIRST democratically-elected government Russia ever had. The Tsar was already gone by October.

I know. But I did not go into the details. And it was after almost 3 years of war, so Russia was tired and ready for the change. Which the real revolution ( in February) was.
Bolshevik's coup succeeded because Germany gave them money - for the separate peace treaty which Lenin signed.

The infamous "Sealed train" to Finland Station.

yep.

He held his word. I always wondered would he if it was not the situation when HE needed it as bad as Germany?

Plus THE WORST mistake the Provisional Government has made is not to end the war immediately.

 

[Vox]

The only thing that Hitler did wrong was adopt nutty progressive policies.

If he hadn't gone around the bend on eugenics, he'd still be considered a hero by the Germans.

If speaking form the standpoint of what would help him in the war and therefore what was wrong - the most wrong was his policies on those parts of Soviet territories which he invaded in couple of months without resistance - because soviet troops were unprepared for the defense as they planned a quick offense instead ( to La Manche, plan was to start July 6, 1941).
He was greeted with flowers everywhere, including the heart of Russia( after 20 years of utopia on the most of the territory and a year and a half on the "liberated" ones people have had enough of the bolshevik heaven) - and would he behave humanely - the history of XX century would be quite different.

But he was a SOCIALIST.
Which means he was a MURDERER.

And an idiot.

Therefore he lost.

Which did not serve well people of Eastern bloc but saved the western Europe from the soviet heaven.

 

[Vox]

no, it did not. It was actually getting pretty good before the war started.

The Bolsheviks actually overthrew the FIRST democratically-elected government Russia ever had. The Tsar was already gone by October.

A Democratically Elected government that decided they had to continue the Tsar's war against his pissant cousin, the Kaiser.

When most Russians wanted the war to end.

Because it was making their lives miserable.

"Bread, Peace, Land", the Bolsheviks said, and people voted with their feet.

nope. the first part is correct, but nobody VOTED for bolshevik regime. It was a coup.

 

[thereisnospoon]

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Has it ever occurred to you that the reason why the Democrats haven't won a fair election since 1992 is because you guys keep adding to the dependency? Oh that dependency will win you elections all thee effing time, Joe.

We're not the ones adding to the dependency, guy. (and again, the fucking irony of a guy who can't hold down a job lecturing an established professional about "dependency" is laughable.) That would be the race to the bottom employers who underpay their workers and then put on their website instructions on how to apply for Food Stamps and Medicare.

My ideal world. Everyone has a fully renumerative job and government charity is reserved for people who truly need it.

Oh, I think you don't understand what "winning a fair election" is.

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Uhh, they did lose their insurance, and getting it from Medicare isn't getting it from Obamacare. Where's your head buddy?

One more time, there isn't a program called "ObamaCare". There are either private insurance plans the government subsidizes or there are government programs that have been expanded.

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And eventually, the government is going to get that money by raising taxes on... Staples and other douchebag corporations.

And kiss all the jobs goodbye in the process.

Well, frankly, Staples is a shitty place to shop, and no one would miss it.

But here's the reality. Most companies have cut their staffs to the bone already. The threatening us with more layoffs isn't going to fly very far.

Quite the opposite. Retailers have added staff. Just more part timers.
When government places onerous regulations on it, business will within the boundaries of law, will find a way around them.
Funny how you piss on any business or business owner that does not kowtow to your view of how things should be.
According to you, there are no good businesses.
It the central planning libs who's goal it is to increase dependency on government.
Your side is increasing the size of government. It is your side that is increasing the size and scope of social programs. It is your side that has created policy that has led to the current economic conditions that cause business to reduce job creation...
Although Obama has claimed to create somewhere between 3 and 7 million new jobs.
Gee, which is it Joey?