The word "period"

[Flopper]

It has already been shown that Obama continued with the line AFTER the administration knew that some people would lose their plan.
Please stop covering for him.

When Obama said you can keep your plan, he was speaking for the government, not the insurance companies. There is nothing in the Affordable Care Act that forces people to give up their health plans. The president can't speak for what the insurance companies may or may not do.

Whether the insurance companies choose to cancel and reissue the plans with the required changes or revise the current plans, the end result is same.

Insurance companies were perfectly happy with plans they were offering.
Please explain, why would they "choose" to change plans at all?

Obviously because all plans sold beginning in 2014 must meet the requirements of the law. Grandfathered plans can not be changed but don't have meet all the requirements of the law.

 

[Ame®icano]

When Obama said you can keep your plan, he was speaking for the government, not the insurance companies. There is nothing in the Affordable Care Act that forces people to give up their health plans. The president can't speak for what the insurance companies may or may not do.

Whether the insurance companies choose to cancel and reissue the plans with the required changes or revise the current plans, the end result is same.

Insurance companies were perfectly happy with plans they were offering.
Please explain, why would they "choose" to change plans at all?

Obviously because all plans sold beginning in 2014 must meet the requirements of the law. Grandfathered plans can not be changed but don't have meet all the requirements of the law.

If is a "must", where is a "choice".

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Have you ever read the Constitution?

Your claim was that there was a debate about whether it is possible to impeach a president for being incompetent, or if there had to be a crime. Since the only place impeaching the president is mentioned is Article 2 Section 4 of the Constitution, which is the same clause that was used to impeach a judge for not showing up for work, you are, demonstrably, 100% wrong.

Wait, I have never read the Constitution, I cannot possibly outsmart you on impeachment, or anything else. You must be having a nightmare. Have you tried lucid dreaming to fix it?

So your answer to the OP is that yes, the President committed an impeachable offense,

because anything the President does or doesn't do is an impeachable offense.

That's fascinating. Then logically you must also believe that the Constitution really means nothing other than what the Supreme Court says it means.

You thus waste alot time here telling us what you suppose the Constitution to mean. lol

I am pretty sure that, in the current political climate, no one is going to impeach Obama unless he nukes San Francisco. That might not even be impeachable with idiots like you around. I do, however, enjoy showing self important assholes that they are actually ignorant drooling idiots.

Congress, not you, not me, not the Supreme Court, is the final arbiter of what is, and is not, an impeachable offense. That is clearly spelled out in the Constitution, and I actually have Supreme Court citations to back my position up.

So far, all you have is lies and insults.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

That's all good and well, Flopper, as it applies to what he said prior to his signing the bill in to law. But by the time the bill reached his desk the clause that has caused so much dismay and controversy with regard to keeping your plan was there. If he didn't know about it, what the hell is he doing signing the damn thing? Furthermore, he continued to proclaim that people who were happy with their plan, with their doctor, they would be able to keep them. No caveats, no exceptions. It was a line he continued to use through out 2012 and as recently as Sept. 26 of this year. You will not be able to convince me that, more than three years after signing that POS he didn't know...

Because if he didn't know three years in, he's not as smart as so many claim he is... Or he doesn't have a fucking clue as to what going on around him... Or he was flat out lying to the American people...

No matter how you slice it, it stinks.

There is nothing in the law that forces insurance companies to cancel policies. The law grandfathers all plans that existed prior to 10/23/2010. So when Obama signed the bill into law, everyone could keep their current plan. So he did not lie. However, there is more to story so read on.

The law says plans that are significantly changed after 10/23/2010 can not be grandfathered. At the time the bill became law, significant had not been defined. Later in the year and in 2011 regulations were drafted and requests for comments were sent to insurance companies. After meeting with insurance companies and the IRS, it was determined that most changes to plans such as premiums or even changes required by state law would be considered a significant change thus making the plan inelligble for grandfathering.


Since grandfathered plans could not be sold after 2014 and the plans would have be cancelled or updated sometime in the future, many insurance companies made a business decision to cancel many of the old plans and move people to new a new plan. I doubt Obama knew that insurance companies would be cancelling plans. If so he would have never made the statement after the law was passed because he surely would know that millions of cancellations would be a public relations nightmare.

BTW, anyone who wants individual insurance for 2014 without any of the ACA changes, can purchase a grandfathered plan now. They're listed on insurer web sites with a note that they are not ACA compliant and can not be sold in 2014 but will meet the ACA individual mandate requirement for 2014.

Why do you keep ignoring the facts posted that refute your lies? Is it because you are so caught up in them that reality does not penetrate your delusions?

 

[jon_berzerk]

When the bill was in Senate, I think most people assumed the grandfather clause would allow existing plans to be grandfathered in with only new plans reflecting the increased benefits. This would allowed a gradual phase-in of the changes. However, the HHS wrote the regulation based on an interpretation of the law and comments from group insurers. The result was most plans could not be grandfathered in. Health insurer in the individual market elected to cancel and reissue the plans rather than update them. I have no idea what their reasons for doing so were. In some states, the insurance commission requested they do so. However some issuers stated there were operations problems in just updating the plan.

I think it's questionable as what Obama actually knew when he made the two statements. Later when it became clear that a number of insurance companies would be cancelling and reissuing plans instead of updating them, he could have informed the public of this. However, what would be the point in doing so? Whichever way the insurance companies handled the situation, the outcome would have been same. Every one that had coverage would be able to keep their coverage in a plan with additional benefits..

Some insurance companies have been required by some states to cancel plans. Some insurance companies are cancelling plans in order to scam people into more expensive plans without shopping for a better deal on the exchange.

California just required every insurer that cancelled plans as a result of the federal law to extend them for 3 months, but it is California that forced them to cancel the plan.

Then again, you think Republicans are responsible for Obamacare.

California just required every insurer that cancelled plans as a result of the federal law to extend them for 3 months

why would they do that

what a state

--LOL

 

[jon_berzerk]

Insurance companies were perfectly happy with plans they were offering.
Please explain, why would they "choose" to change plans at all?

Obviously because all plans sold beginning in 2014 must meet the requirements of the law. Grandfathered plans can not be changed but don't have meet all the requirements of the law.

If is a "must", where is a "choice".

thats right

only a democrat believes

that being forced into something

is more freedom not less freedom

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

What exactly does it mean when obama said " if you like your health plan, you can keep it, period" "if you like your doctor, you can keep him, period"

no "ifs", no conditions, no "if it isn't changed"

You can keep it, PERIOD!

Was that a lie? Yes, and he knew it was when he said it. He lied to the american people in order to pass a bill that a majority of americans did not want.

Grounds for impeachment????????

No, grounds for the fact that you’re an ignorant partisan hack.

If you like your current insurance, you may keep it, the president was correct and he wasn’t ‘lying.’

If the insurance you have fails to meet the coverage requirement mandated by the ACA, you may be subject to the same fee charged to those without insurance at all:

Health plans that don't meet minimum essential coverage don't qualify as coverage in 2014. If you have only these types of coverage, you may have to pay the fee.

https://www.healthcare.gov/what-if-...-coverage-in-2014/#13838036785041&74|noscroll

Of course, it’s ignorant rightwing idiocy to clam that the government can ‘force’ a private citizen to cancel a policy he has with a private insurance company; or it’s willful ignorance and partisan demagoguery on the part of conservatives who know this, but lie about it for some perceived political gain anyway.

So one is at liberty to keep his current policy, paying both its premium and the possible fee, if that’s his decision.

 

[Ame®icano]

Some insurance companies have been required by some states to cancel plans. Some insurance companies are cancelling plans in order to scam people into more expensive plans without shopping for a better deal on the exchange.

California just required every insurer that cancelled plans as a result of the federal law to extend them for 3 months, but it is California that forced them to cancel the plan.

Then again, you think Republicans are responsible for Obamacare.

California just required every insurer that cancelled plans as a result of the federal law to extend them for 3 months

why would they do that

what a state

--LOL

So they can get ready for primaries.
And since primaries are in June, they will extend it for another 3 months, give or take.
That way they can show voters how they really feel their pain.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

What exactly does it mean when obama said " if you like your health plan, you can keep it, period" "if you like your doctor, you can keep him, period"

no "ifs", no conditions, no "if it isn't changed"

You can keep it, PERIOD!

Was that a lie? Yes, and he knew it was when he said it. He lied to the american people in order to pass a bill that a majority of americans did not want.

Grounds for impeachment????????

No, grounds for the fact that you’re an ignorant partisan hack.

If you like your current insurance, you may keep it, the president was correct and he wasn’t ‘lying.’

If the insurance you have fails to meet the coverage requirement mandated by the ACA, you may be subject to the same fee charged to those without insurance at all:

Health plans that don't meet minimum essential coverage don't qualify as coverage in 2014. If you have only these types of coverage, you may have to pay the fee.

https://www.healthcare.gov/what-if-...-coverage-in-2014/#13838036785041&74|noscroll

Of course, it’s ignorant rightwing idiocy to clam that the government can ‘force’ a private citizen to cancel a policy he has with a private insurance company; or it’s willful ignorance and partisan demagoguery on the part of conservatives who know this, but lie about it for some perceived political gain anyway.

So one is at liberty to keep his current policy, paying both its premium and the possible fee, if that’s his decision.

Funny, that isn't what HHS said back in 2010.

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[mudwhistle]

What exactly does it mean when obama said " if you like your health plan, you can keep it, period" "if you like your doctor, you can keep him, period"

no "ifs", no conditions, no "if it isn't changed"

You can keep it, PERIOD!

Was that a lie? Yes, and he knew it was when he said it. He lied to the american people in order to pass a bill that a majority of americans did not want.

Grounds for impeachment????????

No, grounds for the fact that you’re an ignorant partisan hack.

If you like your current insurance, you may keep it, the president was correct and he wasn’t ‘lying.’

If the insurance you have fails to meet the coverage requirement mandated by the ACA, you may be subject to the same fee charged to those without insurance at all:

Health plans that don't meet minimum essential coverage don't qualify as coverage in 2014. If you have only these types of coverage, you may have to pay the fee.

https://www.healthcare.gov/what-if-...-coverage-in-2014/#13838036785041&74|noscroll

Of course, it’s ignorant rightwing idiocy to clam that the government can ‘force’ a private citizen to cancel a policy he has with a private insurance company; or it’s willful ignorance and partisan demagoguery on the part of conservatives who know this, but lie about it for some perceived political gain anyway.

So one is at liberty to keep his current policy, paying both its premium and the possible fee, if that’s his decision.

Funny, that isn't what HHS said back in 2010.

``

Boy, that sure brought that argument to a halt.

Maybe he's formulating his response, or he's waiting for orders from the White House by way of the slobbering press.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Your claim was that there was a debate about whether it is possible to impeach a president for being incompetent, or if there had to be a crime. Since the only place impeaching the president is mentioned is Article 2 Section 4 of the Constitution, which is the same clause that was used to impeach a judge for not showing up for work, you are, demonstrably, 100% wrong.

Wait, I have never read the Constitution, I cannot possibly outsmart you on impeachment, or anything else. You must be having a nightmare. Have you tried lucid dreaming to fix it?

So your answer to the OP is that yes, the President committed an impeachable offense,

because anything the President does or doesn't do is an impeachable offense.

That's fascinating. Then logically you must also believe that the Constitution really means nothing other than what the Supreme Court says it means.

You thus waste alot time here telling us what you suppose the Constitution to mean. lol

I am pretty sure that, in the current political climate, no one is going to impeach Obama unless he nukes San Francisco. That might not even be impeachable with idiots like you around. I do, however, enjoy showing self important assholes that they are actually ignorant drooling idiots.

Congress, not you, not me, not the Supreme Court, is the final arbiter of what is, and is not, an impeachable offense. That is clearly spelled out in the Constitution, and I actually have Supreme Court citations to back my position up.

So far, all you have is lies and insults.

So Obama could be impeached for being black? I don't remember your yes or no answer on that.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Hmmm...pointing out that the President of the United States consistently lied to the American people over a five year period is being "sanctimonious"? Really?

I'm curious, Carbineer...do you ever hold Barry accountable for his actions? This isn't some trivial thing that Barack Obama did...he deliberately misled the American people over what would happen to their healthcare once the ACA kicked in because he knew that if they KNEW what was going to happen they would have risen up against it. That's a pretty sleazy thing to do with something as important as people's health care.

How do you want me to hold Obama accountable? Vote Republican? Vote for the liar Romney?

 

[NYcarbineer]

PERIOD----no exceptions, no conditions, you can keep it PERIOD. A huge lie.

Face it libs, you elected a liar and a fraud.

Admit it so that the country can move ahead and fix some of the mess he caused.

Romney was a proven liar. Who did most conservatives vote for?

 

[Redfish]

What exactly does it mean when obama said " if you like your health plan, you can keep it, period" "if you like your doctor, you can keep him, period"

no "ifs", no conditions, no "if it isn't changed"

You can keep it, PERIOD!

Was that a lie? Yes, and he knew it was when he said it. He lied to the american people in order to pass a bill that a majority of americans did not want.

Grounds for impeachment????????

No, grounds for the fact that you’re an ignorant partisan hack.

If you like your current insurance, you may keep it, the president was correct and he wasn’t ‘lying.’

If the insurance you have fails to meet the coverage requirement mandated by the ACA, you may be subject to the same fee charged to those without insurance at all:

Health plans that don't meet minimum essential coverage don't qualify as coverage in 2014. If you have only these types of coverage, you may have to pay the fee.

https://www.healthcare.gov/what-if-...-coverage-in-2014/#13838036785041&74|noscroll

Of course, it’s ignorant rightwing idiocy to clam that the government can ‘force’ a private citizen to cancel a policy he has with a private insurance company; or it’s willful ignorance and partisan demagoguery on the part of conservatives who know this, but lie about it for some perceived political gain anyway.

So one is at liberty to keep his current policy, paying both its premium and the possible fee, if that’s his decision.

you are as dumb, or as much a liar, as obama. You contradicted yourself in two sentences---in red.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Obama said Romney was a felon. That was another Obamalie

 

[Redfish]

No, grounds for the fact that you’re an ignorant partisan hack.

If you like your current insurance, you may keep it, the president was correct and he wasn’t ‘lying.’

If the insurance you have fails to meet the coverage requirement mandated by the ACA, you may be subject to the same fee charged to those without insurance at all:

Of course, it’s ignorant rightwing idiocy to clam that the government can ‘force’ a private citizen to cancel a policy he has with a private insurance company; or it’s willful ignorance and partisan demagoguery on the part of conservatives who know this, but lie about it for some perceived political gain anyway.

So one is at liberty to keep his current policy, paying both its premium and the possible fee, if that’s his decision.

Funny, that isn't what HHS said back in 2010.

``

Boy, that sure brought that argument to a halt.

Maybe he's formulating his response, or he's waiting for orders from the White House by way of the slobbering press.

facts are the enemy of dem/libs

 

[NYcarbineer]

I don't think this question has been asked, so I'll start asking it.

Why did Republicans wait until NOW to make this an issue? This is four years after the debate on the bill.

When was the first time the discrepancy between the President's promises and the content of the bill was brought up by the opposition?

 

[Redfish]

PERIOD----no exceptions, no conditions, you can keep it PERIOD. A huge lie.

Face it libs, you elected a liar and a fraud.

Admit it so that the country can move ahead and fix some of the mess he caused.

Romney was a proven liar. Who did most conservatives vote for?

What does Romney have to do with Obama lying about ACA? Did I miss something?

 

[Redfish]

I don't think this question has been asked, so I'll start asking it.

Why did Republicans wait until NOW to make this an issue? This is four years after the debate on the bill.

When was the first time the discrepancy between the President's promises and the content of the bill was brought up by the opposition?

Some did. You do remember that the ACA bill was passed with no floor debate in either house don't you?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Did you get back to me about the fake debate you created about the only way to impeach the president is if he commits a crime? Or did you give up on this monkey?

Have you ever read the Constitution?

Your claim was that there was a debate about whether it is possible to impeach a president for being incompetent, or if there had to be a crime. Since the only place impeaching the president is mentioned is Article 2 Section 4 of the Constitution, which is the same clause that was used to impeach a judge for not showing up for work, you are, demonstrably, 100% wrong.

Wait, I have never read the Constitution, I cannot possibly outsmart you on impeachment, or anything else. You must be having a nightmare. Have you tried lucid dreaming to fix it?

Judges are subject to a 'good behaviour' clause.