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And what I find particularly disturbing is that it's becoming obvious that Barry, Harry and Nancy have known all along that the ACA won't work as constituted yet they pushed it through anyways. Why? Because when it doesn't work...they will blame the failure on the insurance industry and call for a government run single payer system...which is what they wanted in the first place.
This was all a political GAME to them...a game that disrupts the lives of millions of Americans. They were quite willing to make America suffer through this in order to arrive at their "end game".
It's not been proven it won't work.
And what I find particularly disturbing is that it's becoming obvious that Barry, Harry and Nancy have known all along that the ACA won't work as constituted yet they pushed it through anyways. Why? Because when it doesn't work...they will blame the failure on the insurance industry and call for a government run single payer system...which is what they wanted in the first place.
This was all a political GAME to them...a game that disrupts the lives of millions of Americans. They were quite willing to make America suffer through this in order to arrive at their "end game".
It's not been proven it won't work.
Just like PERIOD, it all depends upon what one means by WORK.
If WORK means destroying the private insurance market by forcing a one size fits all EXPENSIVE policy on everyone in order to pave the way for Single Payer Government Monopoly Health Care Rationing, then ObamaCare is certainly WORKING.
Some did. You do remember that the ACA bill was passed with no floor debate in either house don't you?
The bill was introduced in the house in September of 2009. No one was allowed to read it until last week?
lolol
The bill that was passed was not available for anyone to read until a few hours before the dems voted it into law and obozo signed it. NO ONE had read it before it became law. NO ONE had time to digest over 2000 pages and understand what it would do to the economy or individual insurance.
it is a terrible law, passed in the most corrupt way--------but its the way dictators operate and you silly fucks voted for a dictator---------you deserve it, but the rest of us don't.
PERIOD----no exceptions, no conditions, you can keep it PERIOD. A huge lie.
Face it libs, you elected a liar and a fraud.
Admit it so that the country can move ahead and fix some of the mess he caused.
Romney was a proven liar. Who did most conservatives vote for?
What does Romney have to do with Obama lying about ACA? Did I miss something?
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Congress, not you, not me, not the Supreme Court, is the final arbiter of what is, and is not, an impeachable offense. That is clearly spelled out in the Constitution, and I actually have Supreme Court citations to back my position up.
So far, all you have is lies and insults.
It's not been proven it won't work.
Just like PERIOD, it all depends upon what one means by WORK.
If WORK means destroying the private insurance market by forcing a one size fits all EXPENSIVE policy on everyone in order to pave the way for Single Payer Government Monopoly Health Care Rationing, then ObamaCare is certainly WORKING.
We are slowly moving towards a system where basic healthcare will be provided regardless of one's ability to pay,
but those who want something more or something different and can pay for it will have that available in the market.
Which is how it should be.
No, you don't understand. I'm referring to the insurance companies choice of whether to:Ame®icano;8111296 said:Obviously because all plans sold beginning in 2014 must meet the requirements of the law. Grandfathered plans can not be changed but don't have meet all the requirements of the law.Ame®icano;8109829 said:Insurance companies were perfectly happy with plans they were offering.
Please explain, why would they "choose" to change plans at all?
If is a "must", where is a "choice".
Your post is inaccurate. First off, The law, as enacted, is 906 pages long, shorter than the last Bush budget by nearly 500 pages.Some did. You do remember that the ACA bill was passed with no floor debate in either house don't you?
The bill was introduced in the house in September of 2009. No one was allowed to read it until last week?
lolol
The bill that was passed was not available for anyone to read until a few hours before the dems voted it into law and obozo signed it. NO ONE had read it before it became law. NO ONE had time to digest over 2000 pages and understand what it would do to the economy or individual insurance.
it is a terrible law, passed in the most corrupt way--------but its the way dictators operate and you silly fucks voted for a dictator---------you deserve it, but the rest of us don't.
And what I find particularly disturbing is that it's becoming obvious that Barry, Harry and Nancy have known all along that the ACA won't work as constituted yet they pushed it through anyways. Why? Because when it doesn't work...they will blame the failure on the insurance industry and call for a government run single payer system...which is what they wanted in the first place.
This was all a political GAME to them...a game that disrupts the lives of millions of Americans. They were quite willing to make America suffer through this in order to arrive at their "end game".
It's not been proven it won't work.
What exactly does it mean when obama said " if you like your health plan, you can keep it, period" "if you like your doctor, you can keep him, period"
no "ifs", no conditions, no "if it isn't changed"
You can keep it, PERIOD!
Was that a lie? Yes, and he knew it was when he said it. He lied to the american people in order to pass a bill that a majority of americans did not want.
Grounds for impeachment????????
lol, do you even know what an impeachable offense is?
Does perjury qualify?
just sayin...
And that's the direction that most developed nations are moving. With the huge advances in healthcare over the last 50 years, people are coming to the conclusion that everyone should have the right to basic healthcare. Conservatives can delay but they can not reverse the trend. I think it's inevitable that healthcare will become an even larger percent of our GDP and the cost of healthcare will be based on ability to pay.It's not been proven it won't work.
Just like PERIOD, it all depends upon what one means by WORK.
If WORK means destroying the private insurance market by forcing a one size fits all EXPENSIVE policy on everyone in order to pave the way for Single Payer Government Monopoly Health Care Rationing, then ObamaCare is certainly WORKING.
We are slowly moving towards a system where basic healthcare will be provided regardless of one's ability to pay,
but those who want something more or something different and can pay for it will have that available in the market.
Which is how it should be.
Let me repeat the question. Were Bush's lies that got us into Iraq impeachable offenses?
A lie is defined thusly:
If you know what you're saying is untrue that is a lie.
Explain how what Bush said could be verified before we entered Iraq.
However, what Obama said was known to be a lie by everyone in the White House.
You proved the point. Bush and his administration said with certainty that Iraq had WMD's that were an imminent threat.
Since, as you admit, they cannot have known that to be true, to state it as fact constitutes a lie.
Your post is inaccurate. First off, The law, as enacted, is 906 pages long, shorter than the last Bush budget by nearly 500 pages.The bill was introduced in the house in September of 2009. No one was allowed to read it until last week?
lolol
The bill that was passed was not available for anyone to read until a few hours before the dems voted it into law and obozo signed it. NO ONE had read it before it became law. NO ONE had time to digest over 2000 pages and understand what it would do to the economy or individual insurance.
it is a terrible law, passed in the most corrupt way--------but its the way dictators operate and you silly fucks voted for a dictator---------you deserve it, but the rest of us don't.
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-111publ148/pdf/PLAW-111publ148.pdf
Second, every legislator must be given a copy of the bill prior to a vote. Both Senate and House versions of the law were posted on line and were widely available.
It's not been proven it won't work.
Just like PERIOD, it all depends upon what one means by WORK.
If WORK means destroying the private insurance market by forcing a one size fits all EXPENSIVE policy on everyone in order to pave the way for Single Payer Government Monopoly Health Care Rationing, then ObamaCare is certainly WORKING.
We are slowly moving towards a system where basic healthcare will be provided regardless of one's ability to pay,
but those who want something more or something different and can pay for it will have that available in the market.
Which is how it should be.
lol, do you even know what an impeachable offense is?
Does perjury qualify?
just sayin...
No it doesn't if you are a Democrat. Example. Bill Clinton.
No, you don't understand. I'm referring to the insurance companies choice of whether to:Ame®icano;8111296 said:Obviously because all plans sold beginning in 2014 must meet the requirements of the law. Grandfathered plans can not be changed but don't have meet all the requirements of the law.
If is a "must", where is a "choice".
- leave the old plans untouched so they could be grandfathered in and thus there would be no need to cancel them or
- Cancel the old plans and issue new plans that meet the new requirements.
This was a business decision made by the insurance companies. The old plans could not be sold beginning Jan 1, 2014 and could not be changed. So if they kept all the old plans they would be administering them plus the new plans. Since the old plans would have to be cancelled eventually anyway, they decided to cancel many of them and move the people to the new plans. This accounts for most of the cancellation letters.
Many insurance companies made another business decision not to upgrade existing plans, just cancel them and issue new plans. In some states the insurance commission ask the companies to do so to avoid confusion and possible legal problems.
No, you don't understand. I'm referring to the insurance companies choice of whether to:Ame®icano;8111296 said:If is a "must", where is a "choice".
- leave the old plans untouched so they could be grandfathered in and thus there would be no need to cancel them or
- Cancel the old plans and issue new plans that meet the new requirements.
This was a business decision made by the insurance companies. The old plans could not be sold beginning Jan 1, 2014 and could not be changed. So if they kept all the old plans they would be administering them plus the new plans. Since the old plans would have to be cancelled eventually anyway, they decided to cancel many of them and move the people to the new plans. This accounts for most of the cancellation letters.
Many insurance companies made another business decision not to upgrade existing plans, just cancel them and issue new plans. In some states the insurance commission ask the companies to do so to avoid confusion and possible legal problems.
I believe you got it partly right, but, you left out the reason for cancelling some policies. The insurance companies were required by the ACA LAW to add additional clauses to the policies they had issued. Once they complied with the law, they would have to increase the premium.
Increasing the premium meant losing grandfather status of the policy. Simple cause and effect applies here.
Cause: additional insurance coverage required by law.
Effect: Raise premium and lose grandfather status.
Result: Cancel policy and issue new policy with all the bells and whistles as well as the increase in premiums.
And what I find particularly disturbing is that it's becoming obvious that Barry, Harry and Nancy have known all along that the ACA won't work as constituted yet they pushed it through anyways. Why? Because when it doesn't work...they will blame the failure on the insurance industry and call for a government run single payer system...which is what they wanted in the first place.
This was all a political GAME to them...a game that disrupts the lives of millions of Americans. They were quite willing to make America suffer through this in order to arrive at their "end game".
It's not been proven it won't work.
C'mon, Carbineer...don't play the fool! The ACA the way it was written never had a chance of working and either Barry was fully aware of that (which is my belief...giving him the benefit of the doubt for having SOME intelligence!) or he's one of the more clueless individuals out there who bought into some really bad "advice" from the far left of his party.
Just like PERIOD, it all depends upon what one means by WORK.
If WORK means destroying the private insurance market by forcing a one size fits all EXPENSIVE policy on everyone in order to pave the way for Single Payer Government Monopoly Health Care Rationing, then ObamaCare is certainly WORKING.
We are slowly moving towards a system where basic healthcare will be provided regardless of one's ability to pay,
but those who want something more or something different and can pay for it will have that available in the market.
Which is how it should be.
Nonsense. We are moving towards a system where people have a false sense of having health coverage, but the lack of health care providers will cause the Government Overlords to ration such limited supply in favor of their cronies and supporters, while the rest wait in line for a very long time (hopefully dying before they become a drain on the system).
