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Yes, and that is why you don't see atheist signs in school that say god is made up, a joke or not real.
Wrong.
I don't see them because the Establishment Clause cuts both ways.
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Yes, and that is why you don't see atheist signs in school that say god is made up, a joke or not real.
Really going to stake out that position...........you sound brainwashed.Heres a news flash for ya christians get discriminated against too........Just the facts...inconvenient as usualYes I know why, they hate and are not secure in their belief so it must be imposed.Prayer for injured teen sparks atheist outrage Prayer for injured teen sparks atheist outrage Fox News See 2 can play............Are you sure the hate doesnt flow the other way?
Did you see the nice sweet cute high school girl who is an atheist and she sued and won to have the school take down a prayer they have up on the wall that says something about god?
She doesn't hate anyone. She simply felt it didn't belong. What was written in that prayer, she didn't agree with and was offensive to her.
You have to realize, if someone doesn't believe in god, to us it is an idiotic concept and it should not be assumed everyone believes in these god(s).
Anyways, you should have seen the town hall meetings. If those people could have they would have taken her out and crucified her. They were the ones that were showing evil.
“Men never commit evil so fully and joyfully as when they do it for religious convictions.” – Blaise Pascal
“With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.” – Steven Weinberg
Do you not understand why?
Allowing an adult pastor to act as a ‘volunteer chaplain’ for the football team is not cool. The school cannot “allow a non-school adult pastor access to the children seeking to organize prayer for the students.”
Did you read the entire article?
The school district said the prayer was instigated by students and denied that a chaplain prayed with the team. So at least they understand that if they did that it would be wrong. Instead what they are doing is denying the coach had anything to do with it. Had he organized the prayer they'd be guilty. The school is saying the kids did it themselves. If that's the case no harm no foul.
Keep in mind in the past you guys argued that team chaplain's should be allowed. You lost that argument. Do you at least today understand why you lost and do you agree/understand why a team chaplain doesn't have a place at the school? You didn't before. My hunch is that if you could wave a magic wand and put a chaplain back into our schools, you would. So you probably do not understand.
The atheists said in a written statement that they were satisfied with the school’s response – and they now consider the matter closed.
“FFRF is very pleased with central Florida's new-found commitment to upholding the First Amendment and protecting the rights of all students, not just Christians,”
Parents, meanwhile, are a bit perturbed with the atheist bullying.
There was no Chaplain ....the atheist group accomplished nothing but wasting time and energy of those they hate
You are ignorant.
We are not trying to impose our beliefs. We are trying to make sure you don't impose yours. Doesn't matter if the majority believes in god. Sometimes laws are passed to protect the minority.
The only thing we HATE is you imposing your god(s) on us. It is unconstitutional and unAmerican.
Theists often say atheist nations are bad but fact is, America is an atheist nation. We were smart to take god out of our politics. The opposite would be to be like ISIS in Iraq. They want their country to be a religious one. Do you?
Are you the Christian version of ISIS? Do you want America to be officially a "Christian" nation?
Another atheist tactic ..you must be ISIS if you disagree and point out their shallowness
Few politicians have been willing to identify as non-theists, since such revelations have been considered "political suicide". In 2009, City CouncilmanCecil Bothwellof North Carolina was called "unworthy of his seat" because of his open atheism. I think people who believe in an invisible man are unworthy. Several polls have shown that over 50 percent of Americans would not vote for a qualified atheist for president. Many of the respondents associated atheism with immorality, including criminal behavior, which is funny since atheists only make up about 1% of the American prison population.
Atheist parents have been discriminated against. Aschild custody laws in the United Statesare often based on the "best interests of the child" principle, they leave family court judges ample room to consider a parent's ideology when settling a custody case. Atheism, lack of religious observation and regular church attendance, and the inability to prove one's willingness and capacity to attend to religion with his children, have been used to deny custody to non-religious parents.
Prominent atheists and atheist groups have said that discrimination against atheists is illustrated by a statement reportedly made byGeorge H. W. Bushduring a public press conference just after announcing his candidacy for the presidency in 1987. When asked about the equal citizenship and patriotism of American atheists, Bush answered, "No, I don't know that atheists should be regarded as citizens, nor should they be regarded as patriotic. This is one nation under God.
How? Where? Examples?
My atheist friend who converted me had to tell me my belief was stupid, and he really hurt my feelings. It took a weekend for it to sink in. He wasn't trying to hurt my feelings. He was simply pointing out how stupid my belief was. Think about it. I realized years ago that all organized religions are complete bullshit, but I still had a personal relationship with god.
The more I learned the more realized how stupid my imaginary friend was.
Without him being brutally honest and hurting my feelings, I thought it was completely rational believing in my imaginary friend. It wasn't until he made me realize it was all in my head and he was right. Believing in god(s) is stupid.
He did not have to tell you any such thing, he chose to be an asshole, just like you do. Then you cry because other people react negatively to your negativity.
That is your problem, not mine, or anyone else's.
Yes, and that is why you don't see atheist signs in school that say god is made up, a joke or not real.
Wrong.
I don't see them because the Establishment Clause cuts both ways.
Atheists that proselytize....![]()
That's exactly it. It seems to bother some atheists that other people believe in something outside the merely physical world. If someone believes there is purpose in life, it makes some people pretty angry.
I'm thinking about my really stupid christian cousin and the attitude he has when he tells you that you won't go to heaven if you don't believe or you'll go to hell if you don't believe. He is so sure of himself and so cocky and arrogant about how we're going to hell and he's going to heaven.
And in reality he looks and sounds like a god damn fool if you ask me. What a dope. Ever notice the lower the IQ the more belief people have in god? Go down south to the bible belt and see if those people will even let you suggest that god is fake.
Certainly we want to keep it out of our government. And you really should keep that shit to yourself. If you want to think about god all day and go to church on Sunday, cool. If you don't like gays, that's your choice.
We just want your god out of our government. It doesn't belong. Not to us it doesn't.
If that was all you "just" wanted there would be no issue with me. But that's obviously not all you want is it?
(Why the comment about gay people? Are you showing your ignorance again?)
What justification do you use to discriminate against gays? YOUR RELIGION! If it weren't for god(s), what other reason could you have for discriminating against gay people?
I’m sorry if my insensitivity towards your beliefs offends you. But guess what – your religious wars, jihads, crusades, inquisitions, censoring of free speech, brainwashing of children, forcing girls into underage marriages, female genital mutilation, stoning, pederasty, homophobia and rejection of science and reason offend me. So I guess we’re even.
And it isn't negative to explain to someone that they've been lied to.
When I became convinced that the universe was natural, that all the ghosts and gods were myths, there entered into my brain, into my soul, into every drop of my blood, the sense, the feeling, the joy of freedom. The walls of my prison crumbled and fell. The dungeon was flooded with light and all the bolts and bars and manacles turned to dust. I was no longer a servant, a serf, or a slave. There was for me no master in all the wide world, not even in infinite space.
I was free to think. Free to express my thoughts, free to live in my own ideal. Free to live for myself and those I loved. Free to use all my faculties, all my senses. Free to spread imagination’s wings, free to investigate, to guess, and dream and hope. Free to judge and determine for myself. Free to reject all ignorant and cruel creeds, all the inspired books that savages have produced, and the barbarous legends of the past. Free from sanctified mistakes and “holy” lies. Free from the fear of eternal pain, free from the winged monsters of the night. Free from devils, ghosts and gods. For the first time I was free.
There were no prohibited places in all of the realm of thought. No error, no space where fancy could not spread her painted wings. No chains for my limbs. No lashes for my back. No flames for my flesh. No Master’s frown or threat, no following in another’s steps. No need to bow or cringe or crawl, or utter lying words. I was free; I stood erect and fearlessly, joyously faced all worlds.
My heart was filled with gratitude, with thankfulness, and went out in love to all the heros, the thinkers who gave their lives for liberty of hand and brain, for the freedom of labor and thought to those who fell on the fierce fields of war. To those who died in dungeons, bound in chains, to those by fire consumed, to all the wise, the good, the brave of every land whose thoughts and deeds have given freedom to the sons of men. And then, I vowed to grasp the torch that they held, and hold it high, That light might conquer darkness still.
-Robert Green Ingersoll (1833-1899)
Did you ever see them? Because before the Establishment Clause, theists had god up on the walls but I don't think atheists were represented at all.
Did you ever see them? Because before the Establishment Clause, theists had god up on the walls but I don't think atheists were represented at all.
I didn't see signs talking about God either, but keep pretending you have a point.
Did you ever see them? Because before the Establishment Clause, theists had god up on the walls but I don't think atheists were represented at all.
I didn't see signs talking about God either, but keep pretending you have a point.
Did you ever see them? Because before the Establishment Clause, theists had god up on the walls but I don't think atheists were represented at all.
I didn't see signs talking about God either, but keep pretending you have a point.
It's funny. Atheists don't believe in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny either but you never see them objecting to pictures of those or displays with them. Atheists don't seem as against Hindus who have a number of gods, they just get mad at Christians.
Below, I have posted a link to a video I recently watched that I feel gives a good explanation for the hostility that many theists have towards atheists and why they often feel threatened by our nonbelief. My purpose for posting it here is to encourage others here to watch it and then post some of their own explanations of why they think atheists are so hated.
Atheists that proselytize....![]()
Exactly. If you don't believe in something - fine - more power to you. But you don't have to be a dick about it and go on rants about people who do.
A concept not mentioned in the video but happens to be the major source of hostility towards atheists.
Stop being one and people will like you. The best advice anyone can give an atheist.
Did you ever see them? Because before the Establishment Clause, theists had god up on the walls but I don't think atheists were represented at all.
I didn't see signs talking about God either, but keep pretending you have a point.
It's funny. Atheists don't believe in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny either but you never see them objecting to pictures of those or displays with them. Atheists don't seem as against Hindus who have a number of gods, they just get mad at Christians.
Stop being an asshole is the best advice you can give anyone.
To pretend that there are no theist assholes is BS.
Furthermore it is disingenuous to try to allege that atheists are assholes when all they are doing is exercising their FFR rights. Their rights are identical to yours. If you don't uphold their rights you will lose your own. That is why I uphold the rights of theists like you.
"FFR?" You mean "Freedom From Religion?" That is not a right that exists. You should read the Constitution again.
That said, the vast majority of atheists I know are quite decent people and they lament the extremely vocal minority of assholes that try to denigrate those who have faith in something they don't.
Stop being an asshole is the best advice you can give anyone.
To pretend that there are no theist assholes is BS.
Furthermore it is disingenuous to try to allege that atheists are assholes when all they are doing is exercising their FFR rights. Their rights are identical to yours. If you don't uphold their rights you will lose your own. That is why I uphold the rights of theists like you.
"FFR?" You mean "Freedom From Religion?" That is not a right that exists. You should read the Constitution again.
That said, the vast majority of atheists I know are quite decent people and they lament the extremely vocal minority of assholes that try to denigrate those who have faith in something they don't.
Without freedom FROM religion there can be no freedom OF religion. That you don't understand this fundamental concept means that you don't understand the 1st Amendment at all.
As far as lamenting goes I don't see lamenting the considerable number of vocal theist assholes that are doing more harm than good to your religion.
Atheists that proselytize....![]()
That's exactly it. It seems to bother some atheists that other people believe in something outside the merely physical world. If someone believes there is purpose in life, it makes some people pretty angry.
Certainly we want to keep it out of our government. And you really should keep that shit to yourself. If you want to think about god all day and go to church on Sunday, cool. If you don't like gays, that's your choice.
We just want your god out of our government. It doesn't belong. Not to us it doesn't.
If that was all you "just" wanted there would be no issue with me. But that's obviously not all you want is it?
(Why the comment about gay people? Are you showing your ignorance again?)
What justification do you use to discriminate against gays? YOUR RELIGION! If it weren't for god(s), what other reason could you have for discriminating against gay people?
Atheists can be against homosexuals also. This Jewish guy was telling us why he's a homophobe and its because when he was 18, a couple of older homosexuals tried to get him to have sex with them. I know a non-believer who experienced the same thing and he is pretty homophobic.
Did you ever see them? Because before the Establishment Clause, theists had god up on the walls but I don't think atheists were represented at all.
I didn't see signs talking about God either, but keep pretending you have a point.
It's funny. Atheists don't believe in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny either but you never see them objecting to pictures of those or displays with them. Atheists don't seem as against Hindus who have a number of gods, they just get mad at Christians.
Below, I have posted a link to a video I recently watched that I feel gives a good explanation for the hostility that many theists have towards atheists and why they often feel threatened by our nonbelief. My purpose for posting it here is to encourage others here to watch it and then post some of their own explanations of why they think atheists are so hated.