There is No Future Battle of Armageddon:

[JustAGuy1]

When Jesus was asked about ‘the end’, He talked about the temple being destroyed…and told those listening that it would happen to them. The Jewish temple was destroyed in 70AD, as Jesus predicted.

Now you've opened up more issues....
1) Jesus says to them "15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—". He is quoting the Prophetic word given in the Book of Daniel

2) Did this happen in AD 70? "30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[d] 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other."

You just keep digging deeper holes for yourself.

 

[surada]

Now you've opened up more issues....
1) Jesus says to them "15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—". He is quoting the Prophetic word given in the Book of Daniel

2) Did this happen in AD 70? "30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[d] 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other."

You just keep digging deeper holes for yourself.

Daniel is not a prophet.. He's an historian.

Daniel’s prophecy of the “abomination of desolation” describes events that occurred in Jerusalem around 168/167 B.C. during the rule of the eighth Seleucid king, Antiochus IV.

He is better known in history as Antiochus Epiphanes (Greek for “God manifest”).

Daniel’s prophecy described it this way: “Forces shall be mustered by him [Antiochus Epiphanes], and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress; then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation” (verse 31).

Antiochus Epiphanes was hostile to Jewish worship and attempted to Hellenize (or enforce the adoption of Greek culture and religion on) the Jews in Judea.

He outlawed all forms of Jewish worship and placed a Hellenized high priest over the temple who was sympathetic to his rule. He eventually outlawed practices like circumcision, the biblical dietary laws and Sabbath observance.

While Antiochus was on a military campaign in Egypt in 168 B.C., a group of Jews revolted against the high priest that Antiochus had appointed and took control of Jerusalem.

Antiochus returned to Jerusalem and violently put down the rebellion, killing thousands of Jews and selling others into slavery.

In 167 B.C. Antiochus erected a statue of the Greek god Zeus in the Jerusalem temple. He also ordered that swine, biblically unclean animals, be offered on the temple altar, desecrating the holy place (fulfilling Daniel’s prophecy).

These acts were loathsome and detestable to the Jewish people and were the first fulfillment of the abomination of desolation.

The history of this tragic event in Jewish history, and the Maccabean revolt it inspired, are recorded in the noncanonical books of the Maccabees. These books give some useful history, though they aren’t considered part of the inspired Scripture.

The rededication of th Temple is the reason the Jews celebrate Hanukkah.

A second fulfillment of the abomination of desolation occurred in A.D. 70 when Roman armies under Titus sacked the city of Jerusalem.

In the process, Titus’ forces destroyed the temple building and altar. It has not been rebuilt to this day. Luke 21:20 identifies Jerusalem being “surrounded by armies” before its desolation in A.D. 70.

Its a real shame that Christians don't read the Maaccabees.. Daniel makes perfect sense.

 

[kjw47]

A second fulfillment of the abomination of desolation occurred in A.D. 70 when Roman armies under Titus sacked the city of Jerusalem. In the process, Titus’ forces destroyed the temple building and altar.

The works of men you describe, Jesus did not lead Gods armies to the earth in that battle. Revelation 19 clearly shows this to occur. In Rev 16 it clearly says-EVERY kingdom on earth. Not just the roman empire. Every kingdom on earth makes up Gog of Magog in revelation.
Rev 20:7-8-- When did the thousand years end??? And at 8 clearly shows every nation is Gog of Magog, mislead by satan.
Rev 20:13 is the ressurection--Every grave will be emptied-This has NOT occurred yet.

 

[surada]

The works of men you describe, Jesus did not lead Gods armies to the earth in that battle. Revelation 19 clearly shows this to occur. In Rev 16 it clearly says-EVERY kingdom on earth. Not just the roman empire. Every kingdom on earth makes up Gog of Magog in revelation.
Rev 20:7-8-- When did the thousand years end??? And at 8 clearly shows every nation is Gog of Magog, mislead by satan.
Rev 20:13 is the ressurection--Every grave will be emptied-This has NOT occurred yet.

They thought the Roman Empire was the whole world as they knew it. Egyptians, Syrians and Arabs fought with the Roman soldiers under Titus Command. It was a way to gain Roman citizenship.

 

[kjw47]

They thought the Roman Empire was the whole world as they knew it. Egyptians, Syrians and Arabs fought with the Roman soldiers under Titus Command. It was a way to gain Roman citizenship.

And Jesus did not lead Gods spirit armies to the earth to protect Jerusalem now did he. Over 1 million were slaughtered. So it did not occur yet.

 

[JustAGuy1]

Daniel is not a prophet.. He's an historian.

Daniel’s prophecy of the “abomination of desolation” describes events that occurred in Jerusalem around 168/167 B.C. during the rule of the eighth Seleucid king, Antiochus IV.

He is better known in history as Antiochus Epiphanes (Greek for “God manifest”).

Daniel’s prophecy described it this way: “Forces shall be mustered by him [Antiochus Epiphanes], and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress; then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation” (verse 31).

Antiochus Epiphanes was hostile to Jewish worship and attempted to Hellenize (or enforce the adoption of Greek culture and religion on) the Jews in Judea.

He outlawed all forms of Jewish worship and placed a Hellenized high priest over the temple who was sympathetic to his rule. He eventually outlawed practices like circumcision, the biblical dietary laws and Sabbath observance.

While Antiochus was on a military campaign in Egypt in 168 B.C., a group of Jews revolted against the high priest that Antiochus had appointed and took control of Jerusalem.

Antiochus returned to Jerusalem and violently put down the rebellion, killing thousands of Jews and selling others into slavery.

In 167 B.C. Antiochus erected a statue of the Greek god Zeus in the Jerusalem temple. He also ordered that swine, biblically unclean animals, be offered on the temple altar, desecrating the holy place (fulfilling Daniel’s prophecy).

These acts were loathsome and detestable to the Jewish people and were the first fulfillment of the abomination of desolation.

The history of this tragic event in Jewish history, and the Maccabean revolt it inspired, are recorded in the noncanonical books of the Maccabees. These books give some useful history, though they aren’t considered part of the inspired Scripture.

The rededication of th Temple is the reason the Jews celebrate Hanukkah.

A second fulfillment of the abomination of desolation occurred in A.D. 70 when Roman armies under Titus sacked the city of Jerusalem.

In the process, Titus’ forces destroyed the temple building and altar. It has not been rebuilt to this day. Luke 21:20 identifies Jerusalem being “surrounded by armies” before its desolation in A.D. 70.

Its a real shame that Christians don't read the Maaccabees.. Daniel makes perfect sense.

Jesus called him a Prophet. Lick your wounds Margot, you've lost.

Daniel is not a prophet.. He's an historian.

Daniel’s prophecy of the “abomination of desolation” describes events that occurred in Jerusalem around 168/167 B.C. during the rule of the eighth Seleucid king, Antiochus IV.

He is better known in history as Antiochus Epiphanes (Greek for “God manifest”).

Daniel’s prophecy described it this way: “Forces shall be mustered by him [Antiochus Epiphanes], and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress; then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation” (verse 31).

Antiochus Epiphanes was hostile to Jewish worship and attempted to Hellenize (or enforce the adoption of Greek culture and religion on) the Jews in Judea.

He outlawed all forms of Jewish worship and placed a Hellenized high priest over the temple who was sympathetic to his rule. He eventually outlawed practices like circumcision, the biblical dietary laws and Sabbath observance.

While Antiochus was on a military campaign in Egypt in 168 B.C., a group of Jews revolted against the high priest that Antiochus had appointed and took control of Jerusalem.

Antiochus returned to Jerusalem and violently put down the rebellion, killing thousands of Jews and selling others into slavery.

In 167 B.C. Antiochus erected a statue of the Greek god Zeus in the Jerusalem temple. He also ordered that swine, biblically unclean animals, be offered on the temple altar, desecrating the holy place (fulfilling Daniel’s prophecy).

These acts were loathsome and detestable to the Jewish people and were the first fulfillment of the abomination of desolation.

The history of this tragic event in Jewish history, and the Maccabean revolt it inspired, are recorded in the noncanonical books of the Maccabees. These books give some useful history, though they aren’t considered part of the inspired Scripture.

The rededication of th Temple is the reason the Jews celebrate Hanukkah.

A second fulfillment of the abomination of desolation occurred in A.D. 70 when Roman armies under Titus sacked the city of Jerusalem.

In the process, Titus’ forces destroyed the temple building and altar. It has not been rebuilt to this day. Luke 21:20 identifies Jerusalem being “surrounded by armies” before its desolation in A.D. 70.

Its a real shame that Christians don't read the Maaccabees.. Daniel makes perfect sense.

1) Jesus says to them "15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—". He is quoting the Prophetic word given in the Book of Daniel

Jesus is a liar? This is what happens when like you simply parrots what they've been told comes up against someone who has actually put the study time in. Is this where you try and deflect and ask me about my Church?

 

[hobelim]

When Jesus was asked about ‘the end’, He talked about the temple being destroyed…and told those listening that it would happen to them. The Jewish temple was destroyed in 70AD, as Jesus predicted.

He also spoke of the gospel being preached worldwide, nation rising against nation, the diaspora, and the ingathering, all being to him a long long time off in the future.

He was laughed at when he said this because all the wise men thought 'the end' was imminent.

 

[irosie91]

He also spoke of the gospel being preached worldwide, nation rising against nation, the diaspora, and the ingathering, all being to him a long long time off in the future.

He was laughed at when he said this because all the wise men thought 'the end' was imminent.

who were the wise guys?

 

[JustAGuy1]

who were the wise guys?

Robert DeNiro, Joe Pesci, and Ray Liotta

 

[surada]

He also spoke of the gospel being preached worldwide, nation rising against nation, the diaspora, and the ingathering, all being to him a long long time off in the future.

He was laughed at when he said this because all the wise men thought 'the end' was imminent.

You mean the ingathering of the exiles?

In Isaiah 11:11?

The first ingathering was of the Israelites who fled Egypt... the second was under Cyrus when they returned from Babylon.

 

[hobelim]

who were the wise guys?

If I told you I'd have to kill you.

 

[hobelim]

Robert DeNiro, Joe Pesci, and Ray Liotta

No, they were Goodfellas

 

[hobelim]

You mean the ingathering of the exiles?

In Isaiah 11:11?

The first ingathering was of the Israelites who fled Egypt... the second was under Cyrus when they returned from Babylon.

And nothing since Jesus said it was a long time in the future? Very interesting...but stupid.

 

[JustAGuy1]

No, they were Goodfellas

Oh crap

 

[surada]

And nothing since? Very interesting...but stupid.

Is there anywhere in scripture that mentions a third ingathering?

 

[JustAGuy1]

Is there anywhere in scripture that mentions a third ingathering?

Is Jesus a liar?

 

[surada]

Is Jesus a liar?

What did Jesus say about a third ingathering? I am not familiar with such a verse.

 

[hobelim]

Is there anywhere in scripture that mentions a third ingathering?

It was all over the news in 1948. At least that's what I heard.

Are you being deliberately obstinate? Not very becoming for a person of such distinguished pretensions.

 

[JustAGuy1]

What did Jesus say about a third ingathering? I am not familiar with such a verse.

That's not what you and I are talking about. Jesus called Daniel a "Prophet", is he a liar?

1) Jesus says to them "15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—". He is quoting the Prophetic word given in the Book of Daniel

 

[surada]

It was all over the news in 1948.

At least that's what I heard.

Are you being deliberately obstinate?

No.. I really would like to see the scripture.

Cyrus Scofield was paid to write his Bible to promote Christian Zionism in 1909.