There is no rapture, Jesus is not coming back in the clouds

[irosie91]

Grizz, you don't speak for Jesus, end of story there.

I get it; Mormons accept the gist of TNT, not the verses.

oh what's da gist and from where comes the funny underwear?------somewhere in the golden plates

The garments come from their temple worship. Several recent works on Masonry and Mormonism and comparative rite and ritual have been published that are quite good.

The topic, personally, bores me for I am neither Mason nor Mormon.

oh----the masons did it too?-------do CURRENT MASONS do
it? -------I do know----from my college room mate who was
in the process of becoming something weird like----first a "RAINBOW GIRL"-----and then inducted into the "EASTERN
STAR"-----she she had to struggle to find white stockings.
DON'T tell anyone-----its a secret

My father's mother was a major player in the San Fran Eastern Star a long, long time ago.

oh-----don't tell her what I know....... more to the story---I helped my roommate MEMORIZE the right answers she was supposed to parrot for her induction. ------much later-----at my
little clerical college time job-----a middle aged work mate
mentioned an UPCOMING event with the "EASTERN STAR"---and I repeated some of that induction stuff------THE WOMAN FREAKED OUT. something about my roommate revealing
SECRETS

 

[hobelim]

Yes, Jesus will return in clouds streaming glory.

After Jesus was 'taken up' into heaven the disciples lost sight of him as he was ascending and obscured behind a cloud.

How you interpret this verse determines how you will expect Jesus to return because it says clearly that he will return in the same way the disciples saw him go.

Do you think that he floated up into the sky and will descend from the sky or do you expect something else?

 

[JakeStarkey]

I get it; Mormons accept the gist of TNT, not the verses.

oh what's da gist and from where comes the funny underwear?------somewhere in the golden plates

The garments come from their temple worship. Several recent works on Masonry and Mormonism and comparative rite and ritual have been published that are quite good.

The topic, personally, bores me for I am neither Mason nor Mormon.

oh----the masons did it too?-------do CURRENT MASONS do
it? -------I do know----from my college room mate who was
in the process of becoming something weird like----first a "RAINBOW GIRL"-----and then inducted into the "EASTERN
STAR"-----she she had to struggle to find white stockings.
DON'T tell anyone-----its a secret

My father's mother was a major player in the San Fran Eastern Star a long, long time ago.

oh-----don't tell her what I know....... more to the story---I helped my roommate MEMORIZE the right answers she was supposed to parrot for her induction. ------much later-----at my
little clerical college time job-----a middle aged work mate
mentioned an UPCOMING event with the "EASTERN STAR"---and I repeated some of that induction stuff------THE WOMAN FREAKED OUT. something about my roommate revealing
SECRETS

Mormons, I gather, are quite the same when it comes to their arcane knowledge and ritual. A friend earnestly told me the ritual was "sacred" not "secret." I showed him the ritual online, and told him it certainly was not secret.

 

[hadit]

the preachers who preach this stuff are nuts and out to make money off of it. The rapture happened, it was the destruction of the temple that Jesus was talking about. The son of man in the clouds was Titus.
Time to wake up and end this end of days gloom and doom.

By Josephus :

Moreover, the eastern gate of the inner (22) [court of the] temple, which was of brass, and vastly heavy, and had been with difficulty shut by twenty men, and rested upon a basis armed with iron, and had bolts fastened very deep into the firm floor, which was there made of one entire stone, was seen to be opened of its own accord about the sixth hour of the night. Now those that kept watch in the temple came hereupon running to the captain of the temple, and told him of it; who then came up thither, and not without great difficulty was able to shut the gate again. This also appeared to the vulgar to be a very happy prodigy, as if God did thereby open them the gate of happiness. But the men of learning understood it, that the security of their holy house was dissolved of its own accord, and that the gate was opened for the advantage of their enemies. So these publicly declared that the signal foreshowed the desolation that was coming upon them. Besides these, a few days after that feast, on the one and twentieth day of the month Artemisius, [Jyar,] a certain prodigious and incredible phenomenon appeared: I suppose the account of it would seem to be a fable, were it not related by those that saw it, and were not the events that followed it of so considerable a nature as to deserve such signals; for, before sun-setting, chariots and troops of soldiers in their armor were seen running about among the clouds, and surrounding of cities. Moreover, at that feast which we call Pentecost, as the priests were going by night into the inner [court of the temple,] as their custom was, to perform their sacred ministrations, they said that, in the first place, they felt a quaking, and heard a great noise, and after that they heard a sound as of a great multitude, saying, "Let us remove hence."

Book V1 Chapt 5 Section 3, 24 http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/josephus/war-6.htm

We'll miss you.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yes, Jesus will return in clouds streaming glory.

After Jesus was 'taken up' into heaven the disciples lost sight of him as he was ascending and obscured behind a cloud.

How you interpret this verse determines how you will expect Jesus to return because it says clearly that he will return in the same way the disciples saw him go.

Do you think that he floated up into the sky and will descend from the sky or do you expect something else?

I don't know, because I expect I will be dirt napping at the time.

 

[hobelim]

Yes, Jesus will return in clouds streaming glory.

After Jesus was 'taken up' into heaven the disciples lost sight of him as he was ascending and obscured behind a cloud.

How you interpret this verse determines how you will expect Jesus to return because it says clearly that he will return in the same way the disciples saw him go.

Do you think that he floated up into the sky and will descend from the sky or do you expect something else?

I don't know, because I expect I will be dirt napping at the time.

Have you ever considered that the clouds mentioned that obscured him from sight were not about water vapor in the sky?

 

[Penelope]

Then Josephus goes on :

But, what is still more terrible, there was one Jesus, the son of Ananus, a plebeian and a husbandman, who, four years before the war began, and at a time when the city was in very great peace and prosperity, came to that feast whereon it is our custom for every one to make tabernacles to God in the temple, (23) began on a sudden to cry aloud, "A voice from the east, a voice from the west, a voice from the four winds, a voice against Jerusalem and the holy house, a voice against the bridegrooms and the brides, and a voice against this whole people!" This was his cry, as he went about by day and by night, in all the lanes of the city. However, certain of the most eminent among the populace had great indignation at this dire cry of his, and took up the man, and gave him a great number of severe stripes; yet did not he either say any thing for himself, or any thing peculiar to those that chastised him, but still went on with the same words which he cried before. Hereupon our rulers, supposing, as the case proved to be, that this was a sort of divine fury in the man, brought him to the Roman procurator, where he was whipped till his bones were laid bare; yet he did not make any supplication for himself, nor shed any tears, but turning his voice to the most lamentable tone possible, at every stroke of the whip his answer was, "Woe, woe to Jerusalem!" And when Albinus (for he was then our procurator) asked him, Who he was? and whence he came? and why he uttered such words? he made no manner of reply to what he said, but still did not leave off his melancholy ditty, till Albinus took him to be a madman, and dismissed him. Now, during all the time that passed before the war began, this man did not go near any of the citizens, nor was seen by them while he said so; but he every day uttered these lamentable words, as if it were his premeditated vow, "Woe, woe to Jerusalem!" Nor did he give ill words to any of those that beat him every day, nor good words to those that gave him food; but this was his reply to all men, and indeed no other than a melancholy presage of what was to come. This cry of his was the loudest at the festivals; and he continued this ditty for seven years and five months, without growing hoarse, or being tired therewith, until the very time that he saw his presage in earnest fulfilled in our siege, when it ceased; for as he was going round upon the wall, he cried out with his utmost force, "Woe, woe to the city again, and to the people, and to the holy house!" And just as he added at the last, "Woe, woe to myself also!" there came a stone out of one of the engines, and smote him, and killed him immediately; and as he was uttering the very same presages he gave up the ghost.

the preachers who preach this stuff are nuts and out to make money off of it. The rapture happened, it was the destruction of the temple that Jesus was talking about. The son of man in the clouds was Titus.
Time to wake up and end this end of days gloom and doom.

By Josephus :

Moreover, the eastern gate of the inner (22) [court of the] temple, which was of brass, and vastly heavy, and had been with difficulty shut by twenty men, and rested upon a basis armed with iron, and had bolts fastened very deep into the firm floor, which was there made of one entire stone, was seen to be opened of its own accord about the sixth hour of the night. Now those that kept watch in the temple came hereupon running to the captain of the temple, and told him of it; who then came up thither, and not without great difficulty was able to shut the gate again. This also appeared to the vulgar to be a very happy prodigy, as if God did thereby open them the gate of happiness. But the men of learning understood it, that the security of their holy house was dissolved of its own accord, and that the gate was opened for the advantage of their enemies. So these publicly declared that the signal foreshowed the desolation that was coming upon them. Besides these, a few days after that feast, on the one and twentieth day of the month Artemisius, [Jyar,] a certain prodigious and incredible phenomenon appeared: I suppose the account of it would seem to be a fable, were it not related by those that saw it, and were not the events that followed it of so considerable a nature as to deserve such signals; for, before sun-setting, chariots and troops of soldiers in their armor were seen running about among the clouds, and surrounding of cities. Moreover, at that feast which we call Pentecost, as the priests were going by night into the inner [court of the temple,] as their custom was, to perform their sacred ministrations, they said that, in the first place, they felt a quaking, and heard a great noise, and after that they heard a sound as of a great multitude, saying, "Let us remove hence."

Book V1 Chapt 5 Section 3, 24 http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/josephus/war-6.htm

Actually the few remaining members of the little flock( Luke 12:32)144,000-Rev 14:3) will be changed in the twinkling of an eye during the tribulation. The great multitude will remain on earth and be brought through Har-mageddon. Prov 2:21-22--Matt 24:22

Right and I suppose your one who will be taken up? I have no doubt man will slowly destroy the earth, but Jesus is not coming to fight a war.

What book of the bible did Josephus write?

oh yeah. None of them.

So why is what he says relevant to God's plan for the future?

oh yeah. It's not.

Who do you think wrote parts of the bible, if you read Josephus , you might even think he is Paul. We know Matthew, Mark, Luke and Paul (most likely mainly Philo) were fictional pen names.

I have read Josephus, and I don't think he's Paul, lol.

And no, we don't know Matthew, mark, Luke and Paul are pen names, where do you get this nonsense? lolol. ..

Really you don't see a connection between Paul and Josephus, both Pharisees , both shipwrecked, both from prominent families, one a slave turned freedman, one keeps calling himself a slave and tells you how to be a good slave, both very learned and wrote Greek. One killing Romans and the others killing Christians (gentiles) before one is capture and the other seen a vision. Both kept in chains in Caesarea. Paul becomes a slave of Christ (Jesus). Both become traitors of the Jews.


(Josephus goes on and who does this remind you of, Jesus)

Moreover, when I was a child, and about fourteen years of age, I was commended by all for the love I had to learning; on which account the high priests and principal men of the city came then frequently to me together, in order to know my opinion about the accurate understanding of points of the law

(Note below 3 crucified and one survived)

And when I was sent by Titus Caesar with Cerealins, and a thousand horsemen, to a certain village called Thecoa, in order to know whether it were a place fit for a camp, as I came back, I saw many captives crucified, and remembered three of them as my former acquaintance. I was very sorry at this in my mind, and went with tears in my eyes to Titus, and told him of them; so he immediately commanded them to be taken down, and to have the greatest care taken of them, in order to their recovery; yet two of them died under the physician's hands, while the third recovered.

I am not debating whether there is a creator, but the rapture is not happening, the world may be destroyed by man, we may have a huge flooding in the future, but Jesus is not coming in the clouds to fight a war, the end times might be aliens who come and destroy us, who knows.

The rapture happened with destruction of the temple in Jerusalem, a result of the civil war between sects of Jews,
remember Jesus warned,
A house divided can not stand. (by this he meant a country).

 

[irosie91]

oh what's da gist and from where comes the funny underwear?------somewhere in the golden plates

The garments come from their temple worship. Several recent works on Masonry and Mormonism and comparative rite and ritual have been published that are quite good.

The topic, personally, bores me for I am neither Mason nor Mormon.

oh----the masons did it too?-------do CURRENT MASONS do
it? -------I do know----from my college room mate who was
in the process of becoming something weird like----first a "RAINBOW GIRL"-----and then inducted into the "EASTERN
STAR"-----she she had to struggle to find white stockings.
DON'T tell anyone-----its a secret

My father's mother was a major player in the San Fran Eastern Star a long, long time ago.

oh-----don't tell her what I know....... more to the story---I helped my roommate MEMORIZE the right answers she was supposed to parrot for her induction. ------much later-----at my
little clerical college time job-----a middle aged work mate
mentioned an UPCOMING event with the "EASTERN STAR"---and I repeated some of that induction stuff------THE WOMAN FREAKED OUT. something about my roommate revealing
SECRETS

Mormons, I gather, are quite the same when it comes to their arcane knowledge and ritual. A friend earnestly told me the ritual was "sacred" not "secret." I showed him the ritual online, and told him it certainly was not secret.

I don't know------as far as I know ---Mormons do not
call themselves a "secret" society----but masons have---
for centuries

 

[tyroneweaver]

billions of people have lived since Adam, almost all are NOT saved= billions going to hell. Imho I'd say between 80-90% of the worlds pop. since day one. The way is narrow.

I don't have an answer to a non-question. The fact is that Jesus never said He was sending millions into a lake of fire.

So how MANY since the Cavalry?
Try and weasel your way of the fact that anyone since the Cavalry that rejects the Cavalry is doomed to this lake.

You admit you wrote something you cannot justify.

Once again, how many millions did Jesus say were going to the lake of fair?

Yep, not one.

Grizz, you don't speak for Jesus, end of story there.

I get it; Mormons accept the gist of TNT, not the verses.

oh what's da gist and from where comes the funny underwear?------somewhere in the golden plates

What did I do to you?

 

[irosie91]

billions of people have lived since Adam, almost all are NOT saved= billions going to hell. Imho I'd say between 80-90% of the worlds pop. since day one. The way is narrow.

So how MANY since the Cavalry?
Try and weasel your way of the fact that anyone since the Cavalry that rejects the Cavalry is doomed to this lake.

You admit you wrote something you cannot justify.

Once again, how many millions did Jesus say were going to the lake of fair?

Yep, not one.

Grizz, you don't speak for Jesus, end of story there.

I get it; Mormons accept the gist of TNT, not the verses.

oh what's da gist and from where comes the funny underwear?------somewhere in the golden plates

What did I do to you?

I never met you. You never did anything to me about which I know. The issue of MORMON ACCEPTS THE GIST OF THE NT----intrigues me. I read the NT-----and have heard
many people cite the "TEACHINGS OF JESUS"------as if the 'TEACHINGS OF JESUS" describes all of Christianity----.
I could not find Christianity as being something that could credibly be attributed to something Jesus "taught". I was once told that Mormonism is not a Christian sect

 

[koshergrl]

Mormons.are.absolutely Christians, and saved as far.as I know. My dad's ppl were mormons...my granma had the book of.mormon and a bible by her rocking chair, and read in them every day, till the day she died.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Then Josephus goes on :

But, what is still more terrible, there was one Jesus, the son of Ananus, a plebeian and a husbandman, who, four years before the war began, and at a time when the city was in very great peace and prosperity, came to that feast whereon it is our custom for every one to make tabernacles to God in the temple, (23) began on a sudden to cry aloud, "A voice from the east, a voice from the west, a voice from the four winds, a voice against Jerusalem and the holy house, a voice against the bridegrooms and the brides, and a voice against this whole people!" This was his cry, as he went about by day and by night, in all the lanes of the city. However, certain of the most eminent among the populace had great indignation at this dire cry of his, and took up the man, and gave him a great number of severe stripes; yet did not he either say any thing for himself, or any thing peculiar to those that chastised him, but still went on with the same words which he cried before. Hereupon our rulers, supposing, as the case proved to be, that this was a sort of divine fury in the man, brought him to the Roman procurator, where he was whipped till his bones were laid bare; yet he did not make any supplication for himself, nor shed any tears, but turning his voice to the most lamentable tone possible, at every stroke of the whip his answer was, "Woe, woe to Jerusalem!" And when Albinus (for he was then our procurator) asked him, Who he was? and whence he came? and why he uttered such words? he made no manner of reply to what he said, but still did not leave off his melancholy ditty, till Albinus took him to be a madman, and dismissed him. Now, during all the time that passed before the war began, this man did not go near any of the citizens, nor was seen by them while he said so; but he every day uttered these lamentable words, as if it were his premeditated vow, "Woe, woe to Jerusalem!" Nor did he give ill words to any of those that beat him every day, nor good words to those that gave him food; but this was his reply to all men, and indeed no other than a melancholy presage of what was to come. This cry of his was the loudest at the festivals; and he continued this ditty for seven years and five months, without growing hoarse, or being tired therewith, until the very time that he saw his presage in earnest fulfilled in our siege, when it ceased; for as he was going round upon the wall, he cried out with his utmost force, "Woe, woe to the city again, and to the people, and to the holy house!" And just as he added at the last, "Woe, woe to myself also!" there came a stone out of one of the engines, and smote him, and killed him immediately; and as he was uttering the very same presages he gave up the ghost.

Actually the few remaining members of the little flock( Luke 12:32)144,000-Rev 14:3) will be changed in the twinkling of an eye during the tribulation. The great multitude will remain on earth and be brought through Har-mageddon. Prov 2:21-22--Matt 24:22

Right and I suppose your one who will be taken up? I have no doubt man will slowly destroy the earth, but Jesus is not coming to fight a war.

What book of the bible did Josephus write?

oh yeah. None of them.

So why is what he says relevant to God's plan for the future?

oh yeah. It's not.

Who do you think wrote parts of the bible, if you read Josephus , you might even think he is Paul. We know Matthew, Mark, Luke and Paul (most likely mainly Philo) were fictional pen names.

I have read Josephus, and I don't think he's Paul, lol.

And no, we don't know Matthew, mark, Luke and Paul are pen names, where do you get this nonsense? lolol. ..

Really you don't see a connection between Paul and Josephus, both Pharisees , both shipwrecked, both from prominent families, one a slave turned freedman, one keeps calling himself a slave and tells you how to be a good slave, both very learned and wrote Greek. One killing Romans and the others killing Christians (gentiles) before one is capture and the other seen a vision. Both kept in chains in Caesarea. Paul becomes a slave of Christ (Jesus). Both become traitors of the Jews.


(Josephus goes on and who does this remind you of, Jesus)

Moreover, when I was a child, and about fourteen years of age, I was commended by all for the love I had to learning; on which account the high priests and principal men of the city came then frequently to me together, in order to know my opinion about the accurate understanding of points of the law

(Note below 3 crucified and one survived)

And when I was sent by Titus Caesar with Cerealins, and a thousand horsemen, to a certain village called Thecoa, in order to know whether it were a place fit for a camp, as I came back, I saw many captives crucified, and remembered three of them as my former acquaintance. I was very sorry at this in my mind, and went with tears in my eyes to Titus, and told him of them; so he immediately commanded them to be taken down, and to have the greatest care taken of them, in order to their recovery; yet two of them died under the physician's hands, while the third recovered.

I am not debating whether there is a creator, but the rapture is not happening, the world may be destroyed by man, we may have a huge flooding in the future, but Jesus is not coming in the clouds to fight a war, the end times might be aliens who come and destroy us, who knows.

The rapture happened with destruction of the temple in Jerusalem, a result of the civil war between sects of Jews,
remember Jesus warned,
A house divided can not stand. (by this he meant a country).

That is quite a stretch of imagination.

 

[tyroneweaver]

billions of people have lived since Adam, almost all are NOT saved= billions going to hell. Imho I'd say between 80-90% of the worlds pop. since day one. The way is narrow.

You admit you wrote something you cannot justify.

Once again, how many millions did Jesus say were going to the lake of fair?

Yep, not one.

Grizz, you don't speak for Jesus, end of story there.

I get it; Mormons accept the gist of TNT, not the verses.

oh what's da gist and from where comes the funny underwear?------somewhere in the golden plates

What did I do to you?

I never met you. You never did anything to me about which I know. The issue of MORMON ACCEPTS THE GIST OF THE NT----intrigues me. I read the NT-----and have heard
many people cite the "TEACHINGS OF JESUS"------as if the 'TEACHINGS OF JESUS" describes all of Christianity----.
I could not find Christianity as being something that could credibly be attributed to something Jesus "taught". I was once told that Mormonism is not a Christian sect

You just seemed to have a dim view of some of the esoterical teachings of the Church.
And it was my way of sending a greeting card.
I'm a practicing Mormon. Even went on an LDS mission to Australia.
In 2014 as a truck driver I went thru the New Testament 26 times and the Book of Mormon 10 times.
When it comes to Biblical exegesis and hermanutics I can hold my own with anyone.

 

[irosie91]

Mormons.are.absolutely Christians, and saved as far.as I know. My dad's ppl were mormons...my granma had the book of.mormon and a bible by her rocking chair, and read in them every day, till the day she died.

oh good----you know------I can ask questions? What did that
GIST OF THE NT mean?

 

[tyroneweaver]

Mormons.are.absolutely Christians, and saved as far.as I know. My dad's ppl were mormons...my granma had the book of.mormon and a bible by her rocking chair, and read in them every day, till the day she died.

did they live in the intermountain west?

 

[irosie91]

Grizz, you don't speak for Jesus, end of story there.

I get it; Mormons accept the gist of TNT, not the verses.

oh what's da gist and from where comes the funny underwear?------somewhere in the golden plates

What did I do to you?

I never met you. You never did anything to me about which I know. The issue of MORMON ACCEPTS THE GIST OF THE NT----intrigues me. I read the NT-----and have heard
many people cite the "TEACHINGS OF JESUS"------as if the 'TEACHINGS OF JESUS" describes all of Christianity----.
I could not find Christianity as being something that could credibly be attributed to something Jesus "taught". I was once told that Mormonism is not a Christian sect

You just seemed to have a dim view of some of the esoterical teachings of the Church.
And it was my way of sending a greeting card.
I'm a practicing Mormon. Even went on an LDS mission to Australia.
In 2014 as a truck driver I went thru the New Testament 26 times and the Book of Mormon 10 times.
When it comes to Biblical exegesis and hermanutics I can hold my own with anyone.

Oh good-----what gist of the NT do you accept?

 

[koshergrl]

Mormons.are.absolutely Christians, and saved as far.as I know. My dad's ppl were mormons...my granma had the book of.mormon and a bible by her rocking chair, and read in them every day, till the day she died.

oh good----you know------I can ask questions? What did that
GIST OF THE NT mean?

Lol I really have no idea. He gist of the NT is that God is love and you must accept the gift of.salvation from Christ to attain heaven. I don't know.if Mormons.believe that or not. I think they do, but I wasn't raised in any church and I'm Baptist now, so my understanding of Mormonism is.limited to the knowledge that I would rather live in a Mormon community than a secular one.

 

[irosie91]

Then Josephus goes on :

But, what is still more terrible, there was one Jesus, the son of Ananus, a plebeian and a husbandman, who, four years before the war began, and at a time when the city was in very great peace and prosperity, came to that feast whereon it is our custom for every one to make tabernacles to God in the temple, (23) began on a sudden to cry aloud, "A voice from the east, a voice from the west, a voice from the four winds, a voice against Jerusalem and the holy house, a voice against the bridegrooms and the brides, and a voice against this whole people!" This was his cry, as he went about by day and by night, in all the lanes of the city. However, certain of the most eminent among the populace had great indignation at this dire cry of his, and took up the man, and gave him a great number of severe stripes; yet did not he either say any thing for himself, or any thing peculiar to those that chastised him, but still went on with the same words which he cried before. Hereupon our rulers, supposing, as the case proved to be, that this was a sort of divine fury in the man, brought him to the Roman procurator, where he was whipped till his bones were laid bare; yet he did not make any supplication for himself, nor shed any tears, but turning his voice to the most lamentable tone possible, at every stroke of the whip his answer was, "Woe, woe to Jerusalem!" And when Albinus (for he was then our procurator) asked him, Who he was? and whence he came? and why he uttered such words? he made no manner of reply to what he said, but still did not leave off his melancholy ditty, till Albinus took him to be a madman, and dismissed him. Now, during all the time that passed before the war began, this man did not go near any of the citizens, nor was seen by them while he said so; but he every day uttered these lamentable words, as if it were his premeditated vow, "Woe, woe to Jerusalem!" Nor did he give ill words to any of those that beat him every day, nor good words to those that gave him food; but this was his reply to all men, and indeed no other than a melancholy presage of what was to come. This cry of his was the loudest at the festivals; and he continued this ditty for seven years and five months, without growing hoarse, or being tired therewith, until the very time that he saw his presage in earnest fulfilled in our siege, when it ceased; for as he was going round upon the wall, he cried out with his utmost force, "Woe, woe to the city again, and to the people, and to the holy house!" And just as he added at the last, "Woe, woe to myself also!" there came a stone out of one of the engines, and smote him, and killed him immediately; and as he was uttering the very same presages he gave up the ghost.
Right and I suppose your one who will be taken up? I have no doubt man will slowly destroy the earth, but Jesus is not coming to fight a war.

What book of the bible did Josephus write?

oh yeah. None of them.

So why is what he says relevant to God's plan for the future?

oh yeah. It's not.

Who do you think wrote parts of the bible, if you read Josephus , you might even think he is Paul. We know Matthew, Mark, Luke and Paul (most likely mainly Philo) were fictional pen names.

I have read Josephus, and I don't think he's Paul, lol.

And no, we don't know Matthew, mark, Luke and Paul are pen names, where do you get this nonsense? lolol. ..

Really you don't see a connection between Paul and Josephus, both Pharisees , both shipwrecked, both from prominent families, one a slave turned freedman, one keeps calling himself a slave and tells you how to be a good slave, both very learned and wrote Greek. One killing Romans and the others killing Christians (gentiles) before one is capture and the other seen a vision. Both kept in chains in Caesarea. Paul becomes a slave of Christ (Jesus). Both become traitors of the Jews.


(Josephus goes on and who does this remind you of, Jesus)

Moreover, when I was a child, and about fourteen years of age, I was commended by all for the love I had to learning; on which account the high priests and principal men of the city came then frequently to me together, in order to know my opinion about the accurate understanding of points of the law

(Note below 3 crucified and one survived)

And when I was sent by Titus Caesar with Cerealins, and a thousand horsemen, to a certain village called Thecoa, in order to know whether it were a place fit for a camp, as I came back, I saw many captives crucified, and remembered three of them as my former acquaintance. I was very sorry at this in my mind, and went with tears in my eyes to Titus, and told him of them; so he immediately commanded them to be taken down, and to have the greatest care taken of them, in order to their recovery; yet two of them died under the physician's hands, while the third recovered.

I am not debating whether there is a creator, but the rapture is not happening, the world may be destroyed by man, we may have a huge flooding in the future, but Jesus is not coming in the clouds to fight a war, the end times might be aliens who come and destroy us, who knows.

The rapture happened with destruction of the temple in Jerusalem, a result of the civil war between sects of Jews,
remember Jesus warned,
A house divided can not stand. (by this he meant a country).

That is quite a stretch of imagination.

Penelope's interpretation of the events of the first century AD is -----CATECHISM primed-------it is utter nonsense from top to bottom. I am really amused that she interprets Josephus
"WARS OF THE JEWS" as a chronicle of "JEWS KILLING EACH OTHER". Lots is KNOWN about Josephus-----as for
"traitor"----nope---not really. Paul left his own writings----
his claim to Pharisee is a bit idiotic. My own opinion is that much of that attributed to paul was---kinds FIXED by the minions of Constantine. Greek was the language of "scholarship" in those days-----especially for the romans and to a significant degree for the jews. It was kinda like French for 19 th century Brits and Russians. Every "lady and gentleman" was FLUENT. The consistent fact of the time is and was-----The Pharisees hated greeks when ASSYRIAN greeks were oppressing jews (see the book of MACCABEES in your hotel bible) The Pharisees (like Jesus) hated romans when the romans were oppressing jews (see New
Testament) Jews killing jews happened less than USA presidents were assassinated. The phenomenon was so rare that such events made it into the calendar

 

[irosie91]

Mormons.are.absolutely Christians, and saved as far.as I know. My dad's ppl were mormons...my granma had the book of.mormon and a bible by her rocking chair, and read in them every day, till the day she died.

oh good----you know------I can ask questions? What did that
GIST OF THE NT mean?

Lol I really have no idea. He gist of the NT is that God is love and you must accept the gift of.salvation from Christ to attain heaven. I don't know.if Mormons.believe that or not. I think they do, but I wasn't raised in any church and I'm Baptist now, so my understanding of Mormonism is.limited to the knowledge that I would rather live in a Mormon community than a secular one.

sounds like the Christianity of Paul to me

 

[tyroneweaver]

I get it; Mormons accept the gist of TNT, not the verses.

oh what's da gist and from where comes the funny underwear?------somewhere in the golden plates

What did I do to you?

I never met you. You never did anything to me about which I know. The issue of MORMON ACCEPTS THE GIST OF THE NT----intrigues me. I read the NT-----and have heard
many people cite the "TEACHINGS OF JESUS"------as if the 'TEACHINGS OF JESUS" describes all of Christianity----.
I could not find Christianity as being something that could credibly be attributed to something Jesus "taught". I was once told that Mormonism is not a Christian sect

You just seemed to have a dim view of some of the esoterical teachings of the Church.
And it was my way of sending a greeting card.
I'm a practicing Mormon. Even went on an LDS mission to Australia.
In 2014 as a truck driver I went thru the New Testament 26 times and the Book of Mormon 10 times.
When it comes to Biblical exegesis and hermanutics I can hold my own with anyone.

Oh good-----what gist of the NT do you accept?

I get it; Mormons accept the gist of TNT, not the verses.

oh what's da gist and from where comes the funny underwear?------somewhere in the golden plates

The garments come from their temple worship. Several recent works on Masonry and Mormonism and comparative rite and ritual have been published that are quite good.

The topic, personally, bores me for I am neither Mason nor Mormon.

oh----the masons did it too?-------do CURRENT MASONS do
it? -------I do know----from my college room mate who was
in the process of becoming something weird like----first a "RAINBOW GIRL"-----and then inducted into the "EASTERN
STAR"-----she she had to struggle to find white stockings.
DON'T tell anyone-----its a secret

My father's mother was a major player in the San Fran Eastern Star a long, long time ago.

oh-----don't tell her what I know....... more to the story---I helped my roommate MEMORIZE the right answers she was supposed to parrot for her induction. ------much later-----at my
little clerical college time job-----a middle aged work mate
mentioned an UPCOMING event with the "EASTERN STAR"---and I repeated some of that induction stuff------THE WOMAN FREAKED OUT. something about my roommate revealing
SECRETS

The Mormon Church has 7 arcanes. And jakestarkey is one of them.