There's a sucker born every minute

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This is who Americans are calling a "moderate"....? :cuckoo:

'There's a sucker born every minute' is one of those great American phrases, fondly and frequently repeated by Americans, who tend to forget that it was said mainly about Americans. In the election of Hassan Rohani as Iran's president, we are watching the point being demonstrated again by someone who has demonstrated it before.

Who is Mr. Rohani? If all you did over the weekend was read headlines, you would have gleaned that he is a "moderate" (Financial Times), a "pragmatic victor" (New York Times) and a "reformist" (Bloomberg). Reading a little further, you would also learn that his election is being welcomed by the White House as a "potentially hopeful sign" that Iran is ready to strike a nuclear bargain.

All this for a man who, as my colleague Sohrab Ahmari noted in these pages Monday, called on the regime's basij militia to suppress the student protests of July 1999 "mercilessly and monumentally." More than a dozen students were killed in those protests, more than 1,000 were arrested, hundreds were tortured, and 70 simply "disappeared." In 2004 Mr. Rohani defended Iran's human-rights record, insisting there was "not one person in prison in Iran except when there is a judgment by a judge following a trial."

Mr. Rohani is also the man who chaired Iran's National Security Council between 1989 and 2005, meaning he was at the top table when Iran masterminded the 1994 bombing of the Jewish cultural center in Buenos Aires, killing 85 people, and of the Khobar Towers in 1996, killing 19 U.S. airmen. He would also have been intimately familiar with the secret construction of Iran's illicit nuclear facilities in Arak, Natanz and Isfahan, which weren't publicly exposed until 2002.

In 2003 Mr. Rohani took charge as Iran's lead nuclear negotiator, a period now warmly remembered in the West for Tehran's short-lived agreement with Britain, France and Germany to suspend its nuclear-enrichment work. That was also the year in which Iran supposedly halted its illicit nuclear-weapons' work, although the suspension proved fleeting, according to subsequent U.N. reports.

Then again, what looked to the credulous as evidence of Iranian moderation was, to Iranian insiders, an exercise in diplomatic cunning. "Negotiations provided time for Isfahan's uranium conversion project to be finished and commissioned, the number of centrifuges at Natanz increased from 150 to 1,000 and software and hardware for Iran's nuclear infrastructure to be further developed," Seyed Hossein Mousavian, Mr. Rohani's spokesman at the time, argues in a recent memoir. "The heavy water reactor project in Arak came into operation and was not suspended at all."

Nor was that the only advantage of Mr. Rohani's strategy of making nice and playing for time, according to Mr. Mousavian.

Stephens: A 'Pragmatic' Mullah - WSJ.com
 
Rohani is a moderate by the same criteria Jimmy Carter used when he called the Ayatollah Khomeni "another Ghandi or George Washington.

Of course Rohani isn't a moderate. Liberals just put that out hoping that they can manipulate public opinion enough so that the public accepts obama's obesiance to him for being a moderate.
 
The reactionaries do not want to recognize the man is a moderate by Iranian standards, which is meant in the media releases and publications.

And our reactionaries are not American moderates, either, only far flung expressions of the loony far right.
 
If he was a moderate by Iranian standards he would never have been a candidate much less win the election. The Supreme Leader chooses the candidates. The election is mostly a sham.
 
The reactionaries do not want to recognize the man is a moderate by Iranian standards, which is meant in the media releases and publications.

And our reactionaries are not American moderates, either, only far flung expressions of the loony far right.

most reformers in Iran wanted to elect former President Mohammad Khatami but he didn't run....he is a real moderate by Iranian standards...
 
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The reactionaries do not want to recognize the man is a moderate by Iranian standards, which is meant in the media releases and publications.

And our reactionaries are not American moderates, either, only far flung expressions of the loony far right.

most reformers in Iran wanted to elect former President Mohammad Khatami but he didn't run....he is a real moderate by Iranian standards...

And he didnt run because he knew the theocrats that are really in charge would never let him.
 
To all you Moderates: Congratulations on being "moderately" intelligent. Now go back to your sitcoms...
 
The reactionaries do not want to recognize the man is a moderate by Iranian standards, which is meant in the media releases and publications.

And our reactionaries are not American moderates, either, only far flung expressions of the loony far right.

The man is a moderate by Iranian standards, but as that goes, he was was touted by the Ayatollah. That makes him no less extreme than the man he replaced. Do you really expect him to stop their nuclear ambitions? The media can sweeten the details but the facts remain the same.
 
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This is who Americans are calling a "moderate"....? :cuckoo:

'There's a sucker born every minute' is one of those great American phrases, fondly and frequently repeated by Americans, who tend to forget that it was said mainly about Americans. In the election of Hassan Rohani as Iran's president, we are watching the point being demonstrated again by someone who has demonstrated it before.

Who is Mr. Rohani? If all you did over the weekend was read headlines, you would have gleaned that he is a "moderate" (Financial Times), a "pragmatic victor" (New York Times) and a "reformist" (Bloomberg). Reading a little further, you would also learn that his election is being welcomed by the White House as a "potentially hopeful sign" that Iran is ready to strike a nuclear bargain.

All this for a man who, as my colleague Sohrab Ahmari noted in these pages Monday, called on the regime's basij militia to suppress the student protests of July 1999 "mercilessly and monumentally." More than a dozen students were killed in those protests, more than 1,000 were arrested, hundreds were tortured, and 70 simply "disappeared." In 2004 Mr. Rohani defended Iran's human-rights record, insisting there was "not one person in prison in Iran except when there is a judgment by a judge following a trial."

Mr. Rohani is also the man who chaired Iran's National Security Council between 1989 and 2005, meaning he was at the top table when Iran masterminded the 1994 bombing of the Jewish cultural center in Buenos Aires, killing 85 people, and of the Khobar Towers in 1996, killing 19 U.S. airmen. He would also have been intimately familiar with the secret construction of Iran's illicit nuclear facilities in Arak, Natanz and Isfahan, which weren't publicly exposed until 2002.

In 2003 Mr. Rohani took charge as Iran's lead nuclear negotiator, a period now warmly remembered in the West for Tehran's short-lived agreement with Britain, France and Germany to suspend its nuclear-enrichment work. That was also the year in which Iran supposedly halted its illicit nuclear-weapons' work, although the suspension proved fleeting, according to subsequent U.N. reports.

Then again, what looked to the credulous as evidence of Iranian moderation was, to Iranian insiders, an exercise in diplomatic cunning. "Negotiations provided time for Isfahan's uranium conversion project to be finished and commissioned, the number of centrifuges at Natanz increased from 150 to 1,000 and software and hardware for Iran's nuclear infrastructure to be further developed," Seyed Hossein Mousavian, Mr. Rohani's spokesman at the time, argues in a recent memoir. "The heavy water reactor project in Arak came into operation and was not suspended at all."

Nor was that the only advantage of Mr. Rohani's strategy of making nice and playing for time, according to Mr. Mousavian.

Stephens: A 'Pragmatic' Mullah - WSJ.com

So Fox News thinks all Iranians are terrorists(who's shocked), did Israel tell them to say that? Who would Fox News like to be President of Iran? sorry Fox Noise has no credibility.
 
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The reactionaries do not want to recognize the man is a moderate by Iranian standards, which is meant in the media releases and publications.

And our reactionaries are not American moderates, either, only far flung expressions of the loony far right.

The man is a moderate by Iranian standards, but as that goes, he was was touted by the Ayatollah. That makes him no less extreme than the man he replaced. Do you really expect him to stop their nuclear ambitions? The media can sweeten the details but the facts remain the same.

he's not a moderate by Iranian standards....else why would he suppress the student protests....? obviously he doesn't support free speech...

All this for a man who, as my colleague Sohrab Ahmari noted in these pages Monday, called on the regime's basij militia to suppress the student protests of July 1999 "mercilessly and monumentally." More than a dozen students were killed in those protests, more than 1,000 were arrested, hundreds were tortured, and 70 simply "disappeared." In 2004 Mr. Rohani defended Iran's human-rights record, insisting there was "not one person in prison in Iran except when there is a judgment by a judge following a trial."
 
This is who Americans are calling a "moderate"....? :cuckoo:

'There's a sucker born every minute' is one of those great American phrases, fondly and frequently repeated by Americans, who tend to forget that it was said mainly about Americans. In the election of Hassan Rohani as Iran's president, we are watching the point being demonstrated again by someone who has demonstrated it before.

Who is Mr. Rohani? If all you did over the weekend was read headlines, you would have gleaned that he is a "moderate" (Financial Times), a "pragmatic victor" (New York Times) and a "reformist" (Bloomberg). Reading a little further, you would also learn that his election is being welcomed by the White House as a "potentially hopeful sign" that Iran is ready to strike a nuclear bargain.

All this for a man who, as my colleague Sohrab Ahmari noted in these pages Monday, called on the regime's basij militia to suppress the student protests of July 1999 "mercilessly and monumentally." More than a dozen students were killed in those protests, more than 1,000 were arrested, hundreds were tortured, and 70 simply "disappeared." In 2004 Mr. Rohani defended Iran's human-rights record, insisting there was "not one person in prison in Iran except when there is a judgment by a judge following a trial."

Mr. Rohani is also the man who chaired Iran's National Security Council between 1989 and 2005, meaning he was at the top table when Iran masterminded the 1994 bombing of the Jewish cultural center in Buenos Aires, killing 85 people, and of the Khobar Towers in 1996, killing 19 U.S. airmen. He would also have been intimately familiar with the secret construction of Iran's illicit nuclear facilities in Arak, Natanz and Isfahan, which weren't publicly exposed until 2002.

In 2003 Mr. Rohani took charge as Iran's lead nuclear negotiator, a period now warmly remembered in the West for Tehran's short-lived agreement with Britain, France and Germany to suspend its nuclear-enrichment work. That was also the year in which Iran supposedly halted its illicit nuclear-weapons' work, although the suspension proved fleeting, according to subsequent U.N. reports.

Then again, what looked to the credulous as evidence of Iranian moderation was, to Iranian insiders, an exercise in diplomatic cunning. "Negotiations provided time for Isfahan's uranium conversion project to be finished and commissioned, the number of centrifuges at Natanz increased from 150 to 1,000 and software and hardware for Iran's nuclear infrastructure to be further developed," Seyed Hossein Mousavian, Mr. Rohani's spokesman at the time, argues in a recent memoir. "The heavy water reactor project in Arak came into operation and was not suspended at all."

Nor was that the only advantage of Mr. Rohani's strategy of making nice and playing for time, according to Mr. Mousavian.

Stephens: A 'Pragmatic' Mullah - WSJ.com

So Fox News thinks all Iranians are terrorists(who's shocked), did Israel tell them to say that? Who would Fox News like to be President of Iran? sorry Fox Noise has no credibility.

is the Wall Street Journal part of Fox News?....:cuckoo:
 
The reactionaries do not want to recognize the man is a moderate by Iranian standards, which is meant in the media releases and publications.

And our reactionaries are not American moderates, either, only far flung expressions of the loony far right.

The man is a moderate by Iranian standards, but as that goes, he was was touted by the Ayatollah. That makes him no less extreme than the man he replaced. Do you really expect him to stop their nuclear ambitions? The media can sweeten the details but the facts remain the same.

he's not a moderate by Iranian standards....else why would he suppress the student protests....? obviously he doesn't support free speech...

All this for a man who, as my colleague Sohrab Ahmari noted in these pages Monday, called on the regime's basij militia to suppress the student protests of July 1999 "mercilessly and monumentally." More than a dozen students were killed in those protests, more than 1,000 were arrested, hundreds were tortured, and 70 simply "disappeared." In 2004 Mr. Rohani defended Iran's human-rights record, insisting there was "not one person in prison in Iran except when there is a judgment by a judge following a trial."

Free speech? you can't call for the overthrow of the government in most countries.
 
This is who Americans are calling a "moderate"....? :cuckoo:

So Fox News thinks all Iranians are terrorists(who's shocked), did Israel tell them to say that? Who would Fox News like to be President of Iran? sorry Fox Noise has no credibility.

is the Wall Street Journal part of Fox News?....:cuckoo:

Lol! Just proves someone like Truthnotseeker doesn't read, he/she just assumes everything from us is from Fox....they don't believe we read or listen to anything else :) If they would get their heads out of MSNBC's ass they may even learn something!
 
The man is a moderate by Iranian standards, but as that goes, he was was touted by the Ayatollah. That makes him no less extreme than the man he replaced. Do you really expect him to stop their nuclear ambitions? The media can sweeten the details but the facts remain the same.

he's not a moderate by Iranian standards....else why would he suppress the student protests....? obviously he doesn't support free speech...

All this for a man who, as my colleague Sohrab Ahmari noted in these pages Monday, called on the regime's basij militia to suppress the student protests of July 1999 "mercilessly and monumentally." More than a dozen students were killed in those protests, more than 1,000 were arrested, hundreds were tortured, and 70 simply "disappeared." In 2004 Mr. Rohani defended Iran's human-rights record, insisting there was "not one person in prison in Iran except when there is a judgment by a judge following a trial."

Free speech? you can't call for the overthrow of the government in most countries.

they weren't calling for the overthrow of the government.....they were on the same side as their current President...Mohammad Khatami.....an Iranian who supports free speech...(at least per Iranian standards)

The protests began on the eve of July 9, 1999 (18th Tir of year 1378 in the Persian calendar), after a peaceful demonstration by a group of students of Tehran University against the closure of the reformist newspaper, Salam, by the press court. Salam newspaper (Persian: روزنامه سلام) was operated by the Association of Combatant Clerics, the reformist political party to which the then President, Mohammad Khatami belonged. The student groups, which at the time were considered one of the major supporters of Khatami and his reform programs, were protesting in support of Khatami against the closure of the newspaper by the judiciary, which was controlled by the hardline opponents of President Khatami.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_student_protests,_July_1999
 
Good, we all agree that the guy is a moderate by Iranian standards.

Now what is his purpose, are the goals, for his term?

Stabilize the currency.

Ease the economic sanctions.

Get 1 and 2 by easing off on the atomic program, perhaps.
 
This is who Americans are calling a "moderate"....? :cuckoo:

'There's a sucker born every minute' is one of those great American phrases, fondly and frequently repeated by Americans, who tend to forget that it was said mainly about Americans. In the election of Hassan Rohani as Iran's president, we are watching the point being demonstrated again by someone who has demonstrated it before.

Who is Mr. Rohani? If all you did over the weekend was read headlines, you would have gleaned that he is a "moderate" (Financial Times), a "pragmatic victor" (New York Times) and a "reformist" (Bloomberg). Reading a little further, you would also learn that his election is being welcomed by the White House as a "potentially hopeful sign" that Iran is ready to strike a nuclear bargain.

All this for a man who, as my colleague Sohrab Ahmari noted in these pages Monday, called on the regime's basij militia to suppress the student protests of July 1999 "mercilessly and monumentally." More than a dozen students were killed in those protests, more than 1,000 were arrested, hundreds were tortured, and 70 simply "disappeared." In 2004 Mr. Rohani defended Iran's human-rights record, insisting there was "not one person in prison in Iran except when there is a judgment by a judge following a trial."

Mr. Rohani is also the man who chaired Iran's National Security Council between 1989 and 2005, meaning he was at the top table when Iran masterminded the 1994 bombing of the Jewish cultural center in Buenos Aires, killing 85 people, and of the Khobar Towers in 1996, killing 19 U.S. airmen. He would also have been intimately familiar with the secret construction of Iran's illicit nuclear facilities in Arak, Natanz and Isfahan, which weren't publicly exposed until 2002.

In 2003 Mr. Rohani took charge as Iran's lead nuclear negotiator, a period now warmly remembered in the West for Tehran's short-lived agreement with Britain, France and Germany to suspend its nuclear-enrichment work. That was also the year in which Iran supposedly halted its illicit nuclear-weapons' work, although the suspension proved fleeting, according to subsequent U.N. reports.

Then again, what looked to the credulous as evidence of Iranian moderation was, to Iranian insiders, an exercise in diplomatic cunning. "Negotiations provided time for Isfahan's uranium conversion project to be finished and commissioned, the number of centrifuges at Natanz increased from 150 to 1,000 and software and hardware for Iran's nuclear infrastructure to be further developed," Seyed Hossein Mousavian, Mr. Rohani's spokesman at the time, argues in a recent memoir. "The heavy water reactor project in Arak came into operation and was not suspended at all."

Nor was that the only advantage of Mr. Rohani's strategy of making nice and playing for time, according to Mr. Mousavian.

Stephens: A 'Pragmatic' Mullah - WSJ.com
You can bet the libtards and obamaturd like him then.
 
So Fox News thinks all Iranians are terrorists(who's shocked), did Israel tell them to say that? Who would Fox News like to be President of Iran? sorry Fox Noise has no credibility.

is the Wall Street Journal part of Fox News?....:cuckoo:

Lol! Just proves someone like Truthnotseeker doesn't read, he/she just assumes everything from us is from Fox....they don't believe we read or listen to anything else :) If they would get their heads out of MSNBC's ass they may even learn something!

Fox News and WSJ is owned by the same person, they get their marching orders from Rupert Murdoch.
 
The guy isn't a moderate by any standards. He has just been successful in fooling the west into thinking he's a moderate.

He might not even be successful in fooling the west. The western media might just be remaking him into a moderate without any moderation on his part at all.
 
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He is a moderate by Iranian standards.

Your standards, katz, are not the baselines for real definitions.
 

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