Zone1 There's no rational, reasoned argument for a ban on AR15s (2)

[Kilroy2]

Yes…the democrats have stated they want to ban and confiscate guns….they are completely open about it…..,,

Well specify, are you talking about all guns or just certain guns? If it is all guns then place a link?

 

[Concerned American]

I thought that this was a debate on the topic. Is this the classical change the topic?

If you cannot draw the parallel between an example of things that could be banned and there being "... no rational, reasoned argument for a ban on AR15s" then maybe you should leave the discussion--not that you added anything useful to it anyway.

 

[ralfy]

Because the anti-gun left has made them popular......they are no different from any other rifle, but the anti-gunners think if they can get the AR-15 banned, that will give them the opening they need to demand all other semi-automatic rifles, pistols and shotguns be banned....

And since mass public shooters by far choose hand guns.....that video is a lie....

Nashville

AR-15 rifle 6 killed

Kerch, Russia

5 shot, pump action shotgun, not a rifle, no magazine

20 killed

Navy Yard shooting

5 shot, pump action shotgun,not a rifle, no magazine

12 killed

Cumbria shooting in Britain...

...no semi-auto rifle...... Double barrel shotgun, bolt action rifle

13 killed, 11 injured....

Santa Fe, High school shooting

No rifle, pump action shotgun, .38 caliber revolver

10 killed

The gun does not determine how many are killed and you have been explained this over and over

The amount of time the killer has in a gun free zone before someone shoota and stops them determines how many get killed as the two example above show.


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From 1982....various attacks.....most done without rifles, you twit.


Gilroy, semi-auto rifle with large magazine....3 killed

Dayton, democrat, socialist, antifa member, elizabeth warren supporter, semi-auto rifle with regular magazine....9 killed.

Umpquaa Community college shooting....5 pistols, 9 killed

Charleston Church shooting, 9 dead, 1 pistol.

Atlanta spree shooting.... 9 dead 3 pistols

Red Lake shooting 10 dead 2 pistols.

Santa Fe High school shooting...no rifle, no magazine.....shot gun and .38 revolver... 10 killed

Russian Polytechnic school shooting.... no rifle, no magazine.....tube fed, 5 shot, pump action shotgun....20 killed, 40 injured.

Navy Yard shooting.... no rifle, no magazine, tube fed pump action shotgun, 5,6 or 7 shot pump action shotgun....12 killed

Virginia Tech.... 32 people killed, 2 pistols.

Luby's cafe.... 24 killed, 2 pistols

British, Cumbria shooting....no semi-auto rifle...... Double barrel shotgun, bolt action rifle 13 killed, 11 injured....

Fort Hood....1 pistol....13 killed

Virginia beach...2 pistols .... 12 killed

I don't think they choose hand guns over assault rifles. Also, only a twit will argue that it's like any other rifle.

 

[2aguy]

I don't think they choose hand guns over assault rifles. Also, only a twit will argue that it's like any other rifle.

It is no different from any other semi-auotmatic rifle, pistol or shotgun...........that you think it is shows how very little you know about actual firearms.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I don't think they choose hand guns over assault rifles. Also, only a twit will argue that it's like any other rifle.

You have no rational or factual basis for your claim.
636 mass shootings in 2022.
8 involved an "assault rifle".
Almost all of the remainder were handguns.

The AR15 is effectively indistinguishable from any other semi-automatic rifle.

 

[M14 Shooter]

They should be ban based on how many bullets a magazine can hold which can be up to 30

Every firearm that takes a magazine can take one with 30+ round capacity.

Reload of a magazine is about 10 seconds for the slow pokes.

With Parkinson's, maybe.

Large capacity magazines significantly increase a shooters ability to injure or kill a large number of people quickly because they can shoot repeatedly without the need to reload

Sounds like exactly the sort of firearm needed by the "well-regulated militia".

Do hunters need a this weapon to hunt...

"Need " doesn't play into it.
Nor does hunting.

And thus, we're back to "no sound argument".

 

[Kilroy2]

Every firearm that takes a magazine can take one with 30+ round capacity.

With Parkinson's, maybe.

Sounds like exactly the sort of firearm needed by the "well-regulated militia".

"Need " doesn't play into it.
Nor does hunting.

And thus, we're back to "no sound argument".

AR-15 rifle is a semi automatic weapon and is similar to other similar weapons that copy it with minor tweaks (avoid being sued) who may go by a different name as chosen by the manufacturer .

Item one when a shotgun can only hold about 3 to 5 and a pistol as it will vary. Say a police revolver can hold about 15 thus AR-15 can do more damage with 30 bullets before reload. Reload is quicker than in other weapons. Modified magazines can hold even more. Your point is that most semi automatic weapons hold + 30 rounds. It does not defeat the argument. As the point is that the weapon holds significant more ammo than pistols or shotguns. The issues is amount of ammo and reload time which means more casualties and create a blood bath. Those amount of ammo it can hold before reload and speed of reload is not a favorable factor in a mass shooting for its victims.

The X-15 series of 50 round drum magazines are compact and versatile. Produced for the AR-15, this 50 round magazine will hold .223 Rem, 5.56 NATO, and 300 AAC Blackout in full length.

Fostech Echo Trigger Combo Deal With Gen II AR-15 100rd Drum Magazine & Two Amend2 30rd Magazines


The argument has not been defeated as I was being generous and not including modifications.


item 2 - I was being generous in the reload time

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numerous video will show how fast it can be done but that is the point . Reload time is faster than a pistol or shotgun because it just slapping that magazine into place.

argument has not been defeated

Point 3 well well this is not the 18th century. So when was the last time that the US was invaded by a armed military. Granted an armed militia is stated in the constitution but is there a need because when you join the US military at wartime they will give you a weapon. Well depending upon the service you join.

Point 4 - Need does not play into it , well I would disagree as people are motivate by needs. As for hunter well I am sure you have people who will fall on both sides of the issue

Should Your Next Deer Rifle Be an AR-15?

As AR-15 rifles have become more popular among casual shooters, hunters have wondered if it's the right platform for their next deer gun. So, we're here to break down the pros and cons of toting an AR on your next hunt. Some of these will apply to other kinds of semi-automatic rifles like the...

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Thus the sound arguments are not disputed as some will use it for hunting.

argument has not been defeated

You guys should just give it up as they are sound arguments?

 

[Concerned American]

Say a police revolver can hold about 15

You are ignorant of the topic and as such should leave immediately. Where pray tell have you EVER seen a police REVOLVER that holds 15 rounds? MORON.

The issues is amount of ammo and reload time which means more casualties and create a blood bath.

Apparently you are not cognizant of the fact that a rental van, some diesel and fertilizer is responsible for the instant death of 168 innocent people and over 300 more were seriously maimed in OKC and guess what? There was not one bullet involved. Please link me to a firearm tragedy where the death toll was anywhere near that. Address the mental health problem and quit trying to blame an inanimate object.

The argument has not been defeated as I was being generous and not including modifications.

Yeah, so what. If a mental defective is not handling it, there will be no problems. Why are you trying to deny law-abiding citizens their rights? Ruger has made a .22 with a 110 round magazine for over 40 years--not aware of any mass shootings with it nor with the mag you illustrated. Your argument is moot and does not address the problem.

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[2aguy]

AR-15 rifle is a semi automatic weapon and is similar to other similar weapons that copy it with minor tweaks (avoid being sued) who may go by a different name as chosen by the manufacturer .

Item one when a shotgun can only hold about 3 to 5 and a pistol as it will vary. Say a police revolver can hold about 15 thus AR-15 can do more damage with 30 bullets before reload. Reload is quicker than in other weapons. Modified magazines can hold even more. Your point is that most semi automatic weapons hold + 30 rounds. It does not defeat the argument. As the point is that the weapon holds significant more ammo than pistols or shotguns. The issues is amount of ammo and reload time which means more casualties and create a blood bath. Those amount of ammo it can hold before reload and speed of reload is not a favorable factor in a mass shooting for its victims.

The X-15 series of 50 round drum magazines are compact and versatile. Produced for the AR-15, this 50 round magazine will hold .223 Rem, 5.56 NATO, and 300 AAC Blackout in full length.

Fostech Echo Trigger Combo Deal With Gen II AR-15 100rd Drum Magazine & Two Amend2 30rd Magazines


The argument has not been defeated as I was being generous and not including modifications.


item 2 - I was being generous in the reload time

https://encrypted-vtbn0.gstatic.com/video?q=tbn:ANd9GcTs_vu8eBUCMMlyGD-T354Qt7NNPZTy7VcNhA

https://encrypted-vtbn0.gstatic.com/video?q=tbn:ANd9GcTs_vu8eBUCMMlyGD-T354Qt7NNPZTy7VcNhA

numerous video will show how fast it can be done but that is the point . Reload time is faster than a pistol or shotgun because it just slapping that magazine into place.

argument has not been defeated

Point 3 well well this is not the 18th century. So when was the last time that the US was invaded by a armed military. Granted an armed militia is stated in the constitution but is there a need because when you join the US military at wartime they will give you a weapon. Well depending upon the service you join.

Point 4 - Need does not play into it , well I would disagree as people are motivate by needs. As for hunter well I am sure you have people who will fall on both sides of the issue

Should Your Next Deer Rifle Be an AR-15?

As AR-15 rifles have become more popular among casual shooters, hunters have wondered if it's the right platform for their next deer gun. So, we're here to break down the pros and cons of toting an AR on your next hunt. Some of these will apply to other kinds of semi-automatic rifles like the...

www.themeateater.com

Thus the sound arguments are not disputed as some will use it for hunting.

argument has not been defeated

You guys should just give it up as they are sound arguments?

And again.....

Nashville

AR-15 rifle 6 killed

Kerch, Russia

5 shot, pump action shotgun, not a rifle, no magazine

20 killed

Navy Yard shooting

5 shot, pump action shotgun,not a rifle, no magazine

12 killed

Cumbria shooting in Britain...

...no semi-auto rifle...... Double barrel shotgun, bolt action rifle

13 killed, 11 injured....

Santa Fe, High school shooting

No rifle, pump action shotgun, .38 caliber revolver

10 killed

Luby's Cafe

24 killed, 2 pistols

Virgina Tech

32 people killed, 2 pistols.

The gun does not determine how many are killed and you have been explained this over and over

The amount of time the killer has in a gun free zone before someone shoota and stops them determines how many get killed as the two example above show.


==========
From 1982....various attacks.....most done without rifles, you twit.


Gilroy, semi-auto rifle with large magazine....3 killed

Dayton, democrat, socialist, antifa member, elizabeth warren supporter, semi-auto rifle with regular magazine....9 killed.

Umpquaa Community college shooting....5 pistols, 9 killed

Charleston Church shooting, 9 dead, 1 pistol.

Atlanta spree shooting.... 9 dead 3 pistols

Red Lake shooting 10 dead 2 pistols.

Santa Fe High school shooting...no rifle, no magazine.....shot gun and .38 revolver... 10 killed

Russian Polytechnic school shooting.... no rifle, no magazine.....tube fed, 5 shot, pump action shotgun....20 killed, 40 injured.

Navy Yard shooting.... no rifle, no magazine, tube fed pump action shotgun, 5,6 or 7 shot pump action shotgun....12 killed

Virginia Tech.... 32 people killed, 2 pistols.

Luby's cafe.... 24 killed, 2 pistols

British, Cumbria shooting....no semi-auto rifle...... Double barrel shotgun, bolt action rifle 13 killed, 11 injured....

Fort Hood....1 pistol....13 killed

Virginia beach...2 pistols .... 12 killed

 

[M14 Shooter]

AR-15 rifle is a semi automatic weapon and is similar to other similar weapons that copy it with minor tweaks (avoid being sued) who may go by a different name as chosen by the manufacturer .
The X-15 series of 50 round drum magazines are compact and versatile. Produced for the AR-15, this 50 round magazine will hold .223 Rem, 5.56 NATO, and 300 AAC Blackout in full length.
Fostech Echo Trigger Combo Deal With Gen II AR-15 100rd Drum Magazine & Two Amend2 30rd Magazines

Ok.
So?

numerous video will show how fast it can be done but that is the point . Reload time is faster than a pistol or shotgun because it just slapping that magazine into place.

Ok.
So?

Point 3 well well this is not the 18th century. So when was the last time that the US was invaded by a armed military. Granted an armed militia is stated in the constitution but is there a need because when you join the US military at wartime they will give you a weapon. Well depending upon the service you join.

Ok.
So?

Point 4 - Need does not play into it , well I would disagree as people are motivate by needs. As for hunter well I am sure you have people who will fall on both sides of the issue

OK.
So?

Still waiting for your sound argument.

 

[ralfy]

It is no different from any other semi-auotmatic rifle, pistol or shotgun...........that you think it is shows how very little you know about actual firearms.

This vs. an anon on a board.

 

[ralfy]

You have no rational or factual basis for your claim.
636 mass shootings in 2022.
8 involved an "assault rifle".
Almost all of the remainder were handguns.

The AR15 is effectively indistinguishable from any other semi-automatic rifle.

The video doesn't refer to what types of firearms were used in mass shootings.

 

[tyroneweaver]

Every time an AR15 is used in a mass shooting - and quite often, even when they aren't - the anti-gun left, in a pre-packaged reactionary response , screams from a ban on same, complete with "information" designed to evoke an emotional response, and, they hope, gain your support for said ban.

What do they NOT tell you?

-American civilians own ~20,000,000 AR15s
-Of the 636 mas shootings in the US, 2022, 8 involved an AR15
-OF the 660 people killed in those mass shootings 54 were killed with an AR15.
[ SOURCES NOTED BELOW ]

Why do they not tell you this?

Because they know there's no sound argument for the ban they call for.
Because they know they need to prey on the emotions of the ignorant to move their ban forward
Because they know preying on the emotions of the ignorant works.
Because they don't care about mass shootings or the people in them - they just want to ban AR15s.

There's no rational, reasoned argument for a ban on AR15s; those who support said ban, in their responses, will demonstrate the truth of this statement.


20,000,000 AR15s:

Why even more Americans are arming up with AR-15 guns

What's behind the popularity of the AR-15, and what responsibility do gun makers have when their products are used in mass shootings?

www.cnbc.com

Mass shootings as defined by:
Mass Shootings in 2022 | Gun Violence Archive
Supplemental / detailed information from;
US mass shootings, 1982–2022: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation

the ar15 is a symbol of the right. Almost all the posters at ar15.com are white conservatives. And there's your answer.

 

[2aguy]

This vs. an anon on a board.

You guys.....you can lie all day but the truth is the truth......the AR-15 is generally a low powered rifle...you lie about it because you see it as your gateway gun for confiscation and bans......but you are lying......

And you obviously didn't get the menu.....the "q'anon," thing didn't work, so the democrat party has switched to smearing conservatives as "Christian Nationalists...." you need to keep up.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The video doesn't refer to what types of firearms were used in mass shootings.

So? Does nothing to address, much less change the facts...

You have no rational or factual basis for your claim.
636 mass shootings in 2022.
8 involved an "assault rifle".
Almost all of the remainder were handguns.
The AR15 is effectively indistinguishable from any other semi-automatic rifle.

 

[M14 Shooter]

the ar15 is a symbol of the right. Almost all the posters at ar15.com are white conservatives. And there's your answer.

Democrats hate straight, white, gun-owning conservative men.
Ok. All makes sense now.

 

[Concerned American]

the ar15 is a symbol of the right. Almost all the posters at ar15.com are white conservatives. And there's your answer.

Racist much? What is your point?

 

[2aguy]

I don't think they choose hand guns over assault rifles. Also, only a twit will argue that it's like any other rifle.

Yes....they actually do choose hand guns over rifles......and you are the twit who thinks the AR-15 is different from other rifles, showing you don't know anything about rifles......

The Excel file with detailed information on the 88 mass public shootings from 1998 through May 15, 2022 is available here. With all the discussion about having another assault weapon ban, only 14% of mass public shootings are done solely with any type of rifle. Twenty-nine percent involve only a rifle or a rifle in combination with a handgun and/or a shotgun. Among the other findings, about 9 in 10 of the attacks are in gun-free zones (though over the longer period from 1950 94% of the attacks are in gun-free zones), half of the shooters are over age 30 and over 80 percent are at least 21 years of age. 97% are male and 55% are white. Still, for many, it might be surprising that such a large percentage of these attackers are minorities and that most are much older than K-12 or college-age shooters. Earlier work that we had done showed that the vast majority of these killers have no religious or political views. 48% of the mass public shooters were seeing mental health care professionals prior to their attacks.

Breaking down Mass Public Shooting data from 1998 through May 2022: Info on weapons used; gun-free zones; racial, age, and gender demographics

The Excel file with detailed information on the 88 mass public shootings from 1998 through May 15, 2022 is available here. With all the discussion about having another assault weapon ban, only 14% …

crimeresearch.org

 

[BoostedHayabusa]

It is no different from any other semi-auotmatic rifle, pistol or shotgun...........that you think it is shows how very little you know about actual firearms.

Are you implying the AR-15 is no different than any other semi-automatic rifle, pistol or shotgun?

 

[2aguy]

Are you implying the AR-15 is no different than any other semi-automatic rifle, pistol or shotgun?

Not implying it, Ill say it

The AR-15 is no different from any other semi-automatic rifle, pistol or shotgun...