these people are DUMB

[BookShaka]

I'd just like some proof, please. There have been voter fraud investigations before, and I would just like to see where your accusations are shown to be true.

What accusations ?? Mine is a study, and then an assessment of the possibilities of the very way things could have actually been connected or done, even though the elites won't connect the dots for us because they may have been involved in it all.

she wants someone to wipe her ass for her.

She wants someone to show evidence of what they claim is common knowledge. How hard can that be?

She wants someone to do the work for her even as she tells them they’re wrong. Well you’re right, it’s not hard. I did the work for her she could have easily done herself.

If I insisted you were wrong and refused to provide evidence, you would be making a different argument, though.

You’ve insisted others were wrong and refused to look up if what you claimed was even accurate. Your response to the sources I provided you tells me you learned something, yet before you read it you spoke as if you already had that knowledge. That speaks volumes.

The EC was created to balance out the vote and not give too much power to densely populated areas, such as Cali and New York. Thanks to the EC, my vote for Trump didn’t even count since I reside in MN... so shouldn’t that make me an advocate to get rid of it? I trust the system put into place. If the rolls were reversed and Trump had won the popular vote but Hillary took the EC, yes I would feel cheated but I wouldn’t say the whole thing needs to go. I’m mature enough to accept things as they are.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

They really think the states are going to give up the EC

Probably they won't, but a lot of people would welcome it, I think, based on what I've heard here. It's not the weirdest idea in the world, TN.

Probably they wont?

Really? REALLY?

How damn gullible are you? There is NO WAY IN HELL the states will ever ratify such a stupid change.


How do people get this fucking stupid?

 

[hunarcy]

I know, their not suppose to get welfare. But they do.

Add schooling and now drivers license in California right ??

If they're going to be driving anyway (which they do) wouldn't it be better to know they have memorized the rules of the road and can pass the road test?
And schooling.....give a little thought to what kind of mess we would have on our hands if millions of illegal minors grew up illiterate and completely unaware of how this country functions. Great gang recruitment tactics, that.
Let's get them to stay home, but in the meantime, the ones who are here need to be made part of the herd.

Build the fucking wall and stop making entitlements for rat bastards that sneak across outr borders! Give the American Tax payers a break!

I don't even care if they give entitlements to people in the nation illegally. But, I do wish they'd stop giving money away to other nations, especially those who don't like us.

DUMB

It IS dumb to try to buy friends. Especially when we have such debt and need in our own nation.

 

[OldLady]

You'd be giving all the power to a couple of states and thats a fact.
Do you really want the people of Calipornia and New Dork deciding who runs our country?

She doesn’t get it and obviously has never informed herself about the EC and why it exists in the first place. Her words display her ignorance.

So why does it exist, if not to give state government the final say on who goes to Washington? If you're so goddamned smart, let's hear the "why" that I don't know.

The Electoral College - Origin and History

I'm not really sure how that disproves my point, but it was interesting.

It doesn’t give the government final say in who wins, as voters’ votes still count, just at a state-wide level. Our founders didn’t like the system from which they left and therefore created the EC to thwart what they viewed as a corrupt system. Where did all those votes that Hillary received over Trump come from?

I had no say and no knowledge of who the electors were in my district. That was all chosen by party insiders. And they are the ones who vote for the President.

 

[hunarcy]

Didn't we have a problem of thousands of SS numbers stolen or being used by illegals in the past ??

Link? That they were used for voting, not employment?

Really ????? So you are in denial of the alledged reports we had in the past concerning SS numbers being given to illegals either by employers or individuals so they could operate here under the radar as illegals for cheap labor etc ?? If they were able to secure through such SS numbers or identities stolen in order to be here illegally, then could they not take those identities and numbers and vote with them, and would they vote in favor of the party that keeps it all going ??? I'm just asking questions here.

I'd just like some proof, please. There have been voter fraud investigations before, and I would just like to see where your accusations are shown to be true.

19 Noncitizens Voted Illegally in 2016 in North Carolina, U.S. Charges

Add These Voter Fraud Cases to the Growing List

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/docs/pacei-voterfraudcases.pdf

19?
Oh my God. We need fingerprinting or something!

Ah, so you looked at the first link, but not all. Kind of shows you were just wasting time with your request to show the accusations were shown to be true.

 

[OldLady]

They really think the states are going to give up the EC

Probably they won't, but a lot of people would welcome it, I think, based on what I've heard here. It's not the weirdest idea in the world, TN.

Probably they wont?

Really? REALLY?

How damn gullible are you? There is NO WAY IN HELL the states will ever ratify such a stupid change.


How do people get this fucking stupid?

Settle down, old pa. Criminy, haven't you guys got anything better to do than mug me this morning?

 

[Votto]

The house doesnt have votes for their radical agenda, nor impeachment.
The electoral college process is in the 12th amendment. You cant just vote it away in congress you fucking morons!
Its funny because all trump does is "talk shit to get his base riled up" while they do the same thing!
Both sides need to chill out. Thats with their fear of the future and disingenuous outrage. STFU already!

The GOP had two long years to get the wall built so if they really wanted it, the wall would already be there.

So instead of either party wanting to build the wall, both are just using the topic to generate votes.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

They really think the states are going to give up the EC

Probably they won't, but a lot of people would welcome it, I think, based on what I've heard here. It's not the weirdest idea in the world, TN.

Probably they wont?

Really? REALLY?

How damn gullible are you? There is NO WAY IN HELL the states will ever ratify such a stupid change.


How do people get this fucking stupid?

Settle down, old pa. Criminy, haven't you guys got anything better to do than mug me this morning?

Don't make stupid comments and it won't be a problem.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

The house doesnt have votes for their radical agenda, nor impeachment.
The electoral college process is in the 12th amendment. You cant just vote it away in congress you fucking morons!
Its funny because all trump does is "talk shit to get his base riled up" while they do the same thing!
Both sides need to chill out. Thats with their fear of the future and disingenuous outrage. STFU already!

The GOP had two long years to get the wall built so if they really wanted it, the wall would already be there.

So instead of either party wanting to build the wall, both are just using the topic to generate votes.

WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER

 

[jon_berzerk]

The house doesnt have votes for their radical agenda, nor impeachment.
The electoral college process is in the 12th amendment. You cant just vote it away in congress you fucking morons!
Its funny because all trump does is "talk shit to get his base riled up" while they do the same thing!
Both sides need to chill out. Thats with their fear of the future and disingenuous outrage. STFU already!

yes more attempts to illegally over throw an properly elected president

treasonous actually

 

[OldLady]

Link? That they were used for voting, not employment?

Really ????? So you are in denial of the alledged reports we had in the past concerning SS numbers being given to illegals either by employers or individuals so they could operate here under the radar as illegals for cheap labor etc ?? If they were able to secure through such SS numbers or identities stolen in order to be here illegally, then could they not take those identities and numbers and vote with them, and would they vote in favor of the party that keeps it all going ??? I'm just asking questions here.

I'd just like some proof, please. There have been voter fraud investigations before, and I would just like to see where your accusations are shown to be true.

19 Noncitizens Voted Illegally in 2016 in North Carolina, U.S. Charges

Add These Voter Fraud Cases to the Growing List

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/docs/pacei-voterfraudcases.pdf

19?
Oh my God. We need fingerprinting or something!

Ah, so you looked at the first link, but not all. Kind of shows you were just wasting time with your request to show the accusations were shown to be true.

I already admitted there were no doubt some. Not thousands. Not millions.

Link? That they were used for voting, not employment?

Really ????? So you are in denial of the alledged reports we had in the past concerning SS numbers being given to illegals either by employers or individuals so they could operate here under the radar as illegals for cheap labor etc ?? If they were able to secure through such SS numbers or identities stolen in order to be here illegally, then could they not take those identities and numbers and vote with them, and would they vote in favor of the party that keeps it all going ??? I'm just asking questions here.

I'd just like some proof, please. There have been voter fraud investigations before, and I would just like to see where your accusations are shown to be true.

19 Noncitizens Voted Illegally in 2016 in North Carolina, U.S. Charges

Add These Voter Fraud Cases to the Growing List

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/docs/pacei-voterfraudcases.pdf

19?
Oh my God. We need fingerprinting or something!

Ah, so you looked at the first link, but not all. Kind of shows you were just wasting time with your request to show the accusations were shown to be true.

No actually the Heritage article said there were 1,000 plus instances of voter fraud but it didn't say over what time frame and it did not specify how many were illegal voters. It gave examples of TWO. So okay,
21?

 

[BookShaka]

She doesn’t get it and obviously has never informed herself about the EC and why it exists in the first place. Her words display her ignorance.

So why does it exist, if not to give state government the final say on who goes to Washington? If you're so goddamned smart, let's hear the "why" that I don't know.

The Electoral College - Origin and History

I'm not really sure how that disproves my point, but it was interesting.

It doesn’t give the government final say in who wins, as voters’ votes still count, just at a state-wide level. Our founders didn’t like the system from which they left and therefore created the EC to thwart what they viewed as a corrupt system. Where did all those votes that Hillary received over Trump come from?

I had no say and no knowledge of who the electors were in my district. That was all chosen by party insiders. And they are the ones who vote for the President.

The electors vote for who the people voted for. It’s unprecedented for electors to shun results from the people, which I remember hearing a couple were considering doing in order to prevent Trump from winning. Many aspects of government are “we know what’s good for you better than you do.” It’s the nature of the beast. You’re acting as if the EC cancels out your vote, and in some cases it does, as in my vote for Trump in MN. Losing trust in the system bc it didn’t yield the desired result is fine, but changing it bc you can’t accept the outcome is, to me, juvenile and a bit authoritarian. If you don’t want to allow the government too much control, why would you be okay with them removing a system that’s been in place since the beginning?

 

[hunarcy]

Really ????? So you are in denial of the alledged reports we had in the past concerning SS numbers being given to illegals either by employers or individuals so they could operate here under the radar as illegals for cheap labor etc ?? If they were able to secure through such SS numbers or identities stolen in order to be here illegally, then could they not take those identities and numbers and vote with them, and would they vote in favor of the party that keeps it all going ??? I'm just asking questions here.

I'd just like some proof, please. There have been voter fraud investigations before, and I would just like to see where your accusations are shown to be true.

19 Noncitizens Voted Illegally in 2016 in North Carolina, U.S. Charges

Add These Voter Fraud Cases to the Growing List

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/docs/pacei-voterfraudcases.pdf

19?
Oh my God. We need fingerprinting or something!

Ah, so you looked at the first link, but not all. Kind of shows you were just wasting time with your request to show the accusations were shown to be true.

I already admitted there were no doubt some. Not thousands. Not millions.

Really ????? So you are in denial of the alledged reports we had in the past concerning SS numbers being given to illegals either by employers or individuals so they could operate here under the radar as illegals for cheap labor etc ?? If they were able to secure through such SS numbers or identities stolen in order to be here illegally, then could they not take those identities and numbers and vote with them, and would they vote in favor of the party that keeps it all going ??? I'm just asking questions here.

I'd just like some proof, please. There have been voter fraud investigations before, and I would just like to see where your accusations are shown to be true.

19 Noncitizens Voted Illegally in 2016 in North Carolina, U.S. Charges

Add These Voter Fraud Cases to the Growing List

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/docs/pacei-voterfraudcases.pdf

19?
Oh my God. We need fingerprinting or something!

Ah, so you looked at the first link, but not all. Kind of shows you were just wasting time with your request to show the accusations were shown to be true.

No actually the Heritage article said there were 1,000 plus instances of voter fraud but it didn't say over what time frame and it did not specify how many were illegal voters. It gave examples of TWO. So okay,
21?

Feel free to look at the third link and follow up with their documentation. You can try to minimize the number but all you asked for was "some proof" and that has been accomplished.

 

[OldLady]

What accusations ?? Mine is a study, and then an assessment of the possibilities of the very way things could have actually been connected or done, even though the elites won't connect the dots for us because they may have been involved in it all.

she wants someone to wipe her ass for her.

She wants someone to show evidence of what they claim is common knowledge. How hard can that be?

She wants someone to do the work for her even as she tells them they’re wrong. Well you’re right, it’s not hard. I did the work for her she could have easily done herself.

If I insisted you were wrong and refused to provide evidence, you would be making a different argument, though.

You’ve insisted others were wrong and refused to look up if what you claimed was even accurate. Your response to the sources I provided you tells me you learned something, yet before you read it you spoke as if you already had that knowledge. That speaks volumes.

The EC was created to balance out the vote and not give too much power to densely populated areas, such as Cali and New York. Thanks to the EC, my vote for Trump didn’t even count since I reside in MN... so shouldn’t that make me an advocate to get rid of it? I trust the system put into place. If the rolls were reversed and Trump had won the popular vote but Hillary took the EC, yes I would feel cheated but I wouldn’t say the whole thing needs to go. I’m mature enough to accept things as they are.

I was aware of most of the information in that article. I didn't know I would have to recite it in order to point out that if it were a one (wo)man-one vote system, not everyone in the state of California or any other densely populated state would vote the same way.

 

[80zephyr]

The house doesnt have votes for their radical agenda, nor impeachment.
The electoral college process is in the 12th amendment. You cant just vote it away in congress you fucking morons!
Its funny because all trump does is "talk shit to get his base riled up" while they do the same thing!
Both sides need to chill out. Thats with their fear of the future and disingenuous outrage. STFU already!

They are not dumb, they are throwing out red meat to their faithful. They are doing this so in 2020 they can say "well, we tried".

The GOP did the same thing with their 54 votes to get rid of ObamaCare...yet when they controlled both Congress and the White House they suddenly did not have enough votes.

I agree. The bastards worked like hell to get rid of Obamacare, until they finally had the power to do so.

Mark

 

[OldLady]

I'd just like some proof, please. There have been voter fraud investigations before, and I would just like to see where your accusations are shown to be true.

19 Noncitizens Voted Illegally in 2016 in North Carolina, U.S. Charges

Add These Voter Fraud Cases to the Growing List

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/docs/pacei-voterfraudcases.pdf

19?
Oh my God. We need fingerprinting or something!

Ah, so you looked at the first link, but not all. Kind of shows you were just wasting time with your request to show the accusations were shown to be true.

I already admitted there were no doubt some. Not thousands. Not millions.

I'd just like some proof, please. There have been voter fraud investigations before, and I would just like to see where your accusations are shown to be true.

19 Noncitizens Voted Illegally in 2016 in North Carolina, U.S. Charges

Add These Voter Fraud Cases to the Growing List

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/docs/pacei-voterfraudcases.pdf

19?
Oh my God. We need fingerprinting or something!

Ah, so you looked at the first link, but not all. Kind of shows you were just wasting time with your request to show the accusations were shown to be true.

No actually the Heritage article said there were 1,000 plus instances of voter fraud but it didn't say over what time frame and it did not specify how many were illegal voters. It gave examples of TWO. So okay,
21?

Feel free to look at the third link and follow up with their documentation. You can try to minimize the number but all you asked for was "some proof" and that has been accomplished.

Well thanks for the attempt, anyway, hunarchy. I appreciate it.

 

[OldLady]

So why does it exist, if not to give state government the final say on who goes to Washington? If you're so goddamned smart, let's hear the "why" that I don't know.

The Electoral College - Origin and History

I'm not really sure how that disproves my point, but it was interesting.

It doesn’t give the government final say in who wins, as voters’ votes still count, just at a state-wide level. Our founders didn’t like the system from which they left and therefore created the EC to thwart what they viewed as a corrupt system. Where did all those votes that Hillary received over Trump come from?

I had no say and no knowledge of who the electors were in my district. That was all chosen by party insiders. And they are the ones who vote for the President.

The electors vote for who the people voted for. It’s unprecedented for electors to shun results from the people, which I remember hearing a couple were considering doing in order to prevent Trump from winning. Many aspects of government are “we know what’s good for you better than you do.” It’s the nature of the beast. You’re acting as if the EC cancels out your vote, and in some cases it does, as in my vote for Trump in MN. Losing trust in the system bc it didn’t yield the desired result is fine, but changing it bc you can’t accept the outcome is, to me, juvenile and a bit authoritarian. If you don’t want to allow the government too much control, why would you be okay with them removing a system that’s been in place since the beginning?

changing it bc you can’t accept the outcome
That's not why I think a simple majority vote would be better. It's too fucking late for that.

Many aspects of government are “we know what’s good for you better than you do.” It’s the nature of the beast.
THIS is why. It doesn't need to be that way.

 

[Avatar4321]

The first day of each session sees crazy bills getting submitted. This year was nothing new.

What crazy bills were submitted last term?

 

[BookShaka]

she wants someone to wipe her ass for her.

She wants someone to show evidence of what they claim is common knowledge. How hard can that be?

She wants someone to do the work for her even as she tells them they’re wrong. Well you’re right, it’s not hard. I did the work for her she could have easily done herself.

If I insisted you were wrong and refused to provide evidence, you would be making a different argument, though.

You’ve insisted others were wrong and refused to look up if what you claimed was even accurate. Your response to the sources I provided you tells me you learned something, yet before you read it you spoke as if you already had that knowledge. That speaks volumes.

The EC was created to balance out the vote and not give too much power to densely populated areas, such as Cali and New York. Thanks to the EC, my vote for Trump didn’t even count since I reside in MN... so shouldn’t that make me an advocate to get rid of it? I trust the system put into place. If the rolls were reversed and Trump had won the popular vote but Hillary took the EC, yes I would feel cheated but I wouldn’t say the whole thing needs to go. I’m mature enough to accept things as they are.

I was aware of most of the information in that article. I didn't know I would have to recite it in order to point out that if it were a one (wo)man-one vote system, not everyone in the state of California or any other densely populated state would vote the same way.

It’s almost like you refuse to get it.

 

[jc456]

Link? That they were used for voting, not employment?

Really ????? So you are in denial of the alledged reports we had in the past concerning SS numbers being given to illegals either by employers or individuals so they could operate here under the radar as illegals for cheap labor etc ?? If they were able to secure through such SS numbers or identities stolen in order to be here illegally, then could they not take those identities and numbers and vote with them, and would they vote in favor of the party that keeps it all going ??? I'm just asking questions here.

I'd just like some proof, please. There have been voter fraud investigations before, and I would just like to see where your accusations are shown to be true.

What accusations ?? Mine is a study, and then an assessment of the possibilities of the very way things could have actually been connected or done, even though the elites won't connect the dots for us because they may have been involved in it all.

she wants someone to wipe her ass for her.

She wants someone to show evidence of what they claim is common knowledge. How hard can that be?

it's been provided. Ballot harvesting. It really isn't that difficult. Also, more ballots then registered voters in many states were provided. not sure your point. BTW, both parties. Not sure why you don't want fraud stopped.