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[SweetSue92]

I see the individual first.
Of course that statement means nothing to the race gimps that fill these pages.
I consider this section just to be another wing of the Rubber Room.

Thing is, I have never once used a racial slur on these pages, but apparently calling out idiots makes you a racist.
Whatever.

Thank you for weighing in. There is no doubt about it: leftists will call you "racist" if you don't buy into their entire Orthodoxy. I reject it utterly and it no longer affects me at all. It never really did but anymore it's like brushing a gnat away, which is sad in a way--they have watered down a serious charge to the weight of a gnat.

In short if you don't like their big gov't schemes you are 'racist'.

It's a con.

So if someone posts the image of Congress by party, which sees more individuals rather than race?

Which one is all white men?

No, of course not. Everyone groups. Think sporting teams. Families. Lining up for your plane. We group all the time for all kinds of reasons. Not wrong.

IMO the "wrong" is "Oh our new coworker is black she must be ____________________________"

Or "oh our new neighbors are Hispanic I know they're gonna be ___________________________."

In other words PRE judging by stereotypes rather than individual characteristics.

 

[SweetSue92]

I hate what gets written here for the most part. Hate it. I could go into many details but I won't here. Maybe in the thread.

So anyway, if you come to this forum but you believe in Individual over Race, give me a holler below. I do not mean that "color-blind" hooey, like race does not matter. Of course race factors into who we are. But I mean that you see people AS INDIVIDUALS first, with names, histories, and stories, rather than "races" being the primary characteristic of a person.

On the eve of the 4th of July, this strikes me as deeply American...and Christian. So let's sound off!

I see only the individual. I also feel if you voted for the Orange Virus, you don't matter anymore.

I see TDS

 

[SweetSue92]

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I see the individual first.
Of course that statement means nothing to the race gimps that fill these pages.
I consider this section just to be another wing of the Rubber Room.

Thing is, I have never once used a racial slur on these pages, but apparently calling out idiots makes you a racist.
Whatever.

Lol! Racism is more than using slurs.

No it is believing some races are superior or inferior leading to discrimination or prejudice. Which usually manifests in slurs and other things.

I think you've engaged in this plenty by posting how civilization started in Africa and etc, etc, etc.

The ability, and willingness to discriminate has been key to our success, and survival.

How thirsty are you?

Agree. Discrimination itself is not bad...."to discern". The PC "othering" crap is nonsense. We all other; it's thinking logically. It's one of the first things babies do actually...I am me, mommy is not me. Etc.

But it's all in the application....it's what and how you discern, and on what basis.

Othering started in 1790 when it was determined who could be a citizen of this country. Discrimination by force of law is what people refer to when they talk about discrimination. Not choosing your friends.

You think making certain people citizens of your nation and others not BEGAN in 1790 with America???

Huh

 

[mdk]

This forum and the I/P forum have always been gross shit shows here. It's usually best to avoid them altogether.

 

[Olde Europe]

We all see people as individuals [...]

Most assuredly, "We" do not. As is put into evidence by some 85+% of the conversations on here, folks are routinely sorted into their respective baskets - race, creed, political persuasion, gender, sexual orientation, etc. - and judged accordingly. That happens way, way before that person even has a chance at alighting as... a person.

As usual, those most cheerfully proclaiming to be all for of recognizing individuals are the worst offenders.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

I hate what gets written here for the most part. Hate it. I could go into many details but I won't here. Maybe in the thread.

So anyway, if you come to this forum but you believe in Individual over Race, give me a holler below. I do not mean that "color-blind" hooey, like race does not matter. Of course race factors into who we are. But I mean that you see people AS INDIVIDUALS first, with names, histories, and stories, rather than "races" being the primary characteristic of a person.

On the eve of the 4th of July, this strikes me as deeply American...and Christian. So let's sound off!

I see only the individual. I also feel if you voted for the Orange Virus, you don't matter anymore.

I see TDS

You would

 

[IM2]

We all see people as individuals [...]

Most assuredly, "We" do not. As is put into evidence by some 85+% of the conversations on here, folks are routinely sorted into their respective baskets - race, creed, political persuasion, gender, sexual orientation, etc. - and judged accordingly. That happens way, way before that person even has a chance at alighting as... a person.

As usual, those most cheerfully proclaiming to be all for of recognizing individuals are the worst offenders.

Actually when you talk to a person you see them as an individual. But when you read an opinion and that same opinion is held by millions in that race...

And the fact is we have 2 groups whether we like it or not. Male and female.

 

[IM2]

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Lol! Racism is more than using slurs.

No it is believing some races are superior or inferior leading to discrimination or prejudice. Which usually manifests in slurs and other things.

I think you've engaged in this plenty by posting how civilization started in Africa and etc, etc, etc.

The ability, and willingness to discriminate has been key to our success, and survival.

How thirsty are you?

Agree. Discrimination itself is not bad...."to discern". The PC "othering" crap is nonsense. We all other; it's thinking logically. It's one of the first things babies do actually...I am me, mommy is not me. Etc.

But it's all in the application....it's what and how you discern, and on what basis.

Othering started in 1790 when it was determined who could be a citizen of this country. Discrimination by force of law is what people refer to when they talk about discrimination. Not choosing your friends.

You think making certain people citizens of your nation and others not BEGAN in 1790 with America???

Huh

I'm not going to be diverted by this kind of stupidity used to give those like you excuses. In this country othering began in 1790, and I'm being far more than fair by using that year as a starting point.

 

[IM2]

I see the individual first.
Of course that statement means nothing to the race gimps that fill these pages.
I consider this section just to be another wing of the Rubber Room.

Thing is, I have never once used a racial slur on these pages, but apparently calling out idiots makes you a racist.
Whatever.

Thank you for weighing in. There is no doubt about it: leftists will call you "racist" if you don't buy into their entire Orthodoxy. I reject it utterly and it no longer affects me at all. It never really did but anymore it's like brushing a gnat away, which is sad in a way--they have watered down a serious charge to the weight of a gnat.

In short if you don't like their big gov't schemes you are 'racist'.

It's a con.

So if someone posts the image of Congress by party, which sees more individuals rather than race?

Which one is all white men?

No, of course not. Everyone groups. Think sporting teams. Families. Lining up for your plane. We group all the time for all kinds of reasons. Not wrong.

IMO the "wrong" is "Oh our new coworker is black she must be ____________________________"

Or "oh our new neighbors are Hispanic I know they're gonna be ___________________________."

In other words PRE judging by stereotypes rather than individual characteristics.

Such as opinions, which is what we are dealing with in this forum.

 

[SweetSue92]

We all see people as individuals [...]

Most assuredly, "We" do not. As is put into evidence by some 85+% of the conversations on here, folks are routinely sorted into their respective baskets - race, creed, political persuasion, gender, sexual orientation, etc. - and judged accordingly. That happens way, way before that person even has a chance at alighting as... a person.

As usual, those most cheerfully proclaiming to be all for of recognizing individuals are the worst offenders.

Political persuasion is a total free choice. So is whatever you mean by "creed". That is completely up for judgment and debate. So do not lump that in with race.

Again. What a con.

 

[SweetSue92]

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No it is believing some races are superior or inferior leading to discrimination or prejudice. Which usually manifests in slurs and other things.

I think you've engaged in this plenty by posting how civilization started in Africa and etc, etc, etc.

The ability, and willingness to discriminate has been key to our success, and survival.

How thirsty are you?

Agree. Discrimination itself is not bad...."to discern". The PC "othering" crap is nonsense. We all other; it's thinking logically. It's one of the first things babies do actually...I am me, mommy is not me. Etc.

But it's all in the application....it's what and how you discern, and on what basis.

Othering started in 1790 when it was determined who could be a citizen of this country. Discrimination by force of law is what people refer to when they talk about discrimination. Not choosing your friends.

You think making certain people citizens of your nation and others not BEGAN in 1790 with America???

Huh

I'm not going to be diverted by this kind of stupidity used to give those like you excuses. In this country othering began in 1790, and I'm being far more than fair by using that year as a starting point.

Okay dismissed again. You're part of the problem...but I knew that

 

[Rocko]

Race is a social construct. Racists are overthinking it.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

I see the individual first.
Of course that statement means nothing to the race gimps that fill these pages.
I consider this section just to be another wing of the Rubber Room.

Thing is, I have never once used a racial slur on these pages, but apparently calling out idiots makes you a racist.
Whatever.

I hate what gets written here for the most part. Hate it. I could go into many details but I won't here. Maybe in the thread.

So anyway, if you come to this forum but you believe in Individual over Race, give me a holler below. I do not mean that "color-blind" hooey, like race does not matter. Of course race factors into who we are. But I mean that you see people AS INDIVIDUALS first, with names, histories, and stories, rather than "races" being the primary characteristic of a person.

On the eve of the 4th of July, this strikes me as deeply American...and Christian. So let's sound off!

The individual is most always the important factor for me regardless of race, gender, blah, blah. Whether I determine someone’s a good person or an a-hole has nothing to do with any of that stuff.

Individualism is severely idealistic, severely weak, and in the end is without value, hardly even a moral value, even.

Survival dictates that we tend to get along better with our own group, and that other groups can be a threat by division, or by overtaking for dominance.

To bring too many different groups into a situation, often leads to conflict, and chaos.

It's called Balkanization, and it's caused war, massacres, genocide, and even wiping out of cultures across the globe.

None of this is anything favorable.

Also, Individualists tend to be quitters on their groups, instead of letting them thrive.... Like we see in Western European societies they're too busy letting the Individual be judged, that they've let in hostile intruders invade to the point of slowly collapsing themselves

While, it maybe true there's good, and bad, smart, and dumb in all groups.

They occur at very different proportions, for example we find that the Black collective often leads to more violence, decay, and poverty worldwide, regardless of there being good, or smart Blacks, their societies are left behind.

Once again, nothing that should be supported.

 

[mudwhistle]

I see the individual first.
Of course that statement means nothing to the race gimps that fill these pages.
I consider this section just to be another wing of the Rubber Room.

Thing is, I have never once used a racial slur on these pages, but apparently calling out idiots makes you a racist.
Whatever.

Thank you for weighing in. There is no doubt about it: leftists will call you "racist" if you don't buy into their entire Orthodoxy. I reject it utterly and it no longer affects me at all. It never really did but anymore it's like brushing a gnat away, which is sad in a way--they have watered down a serious charge to the weight of a gnat.

In short if you don't like their big gov't schemes you are 'racist'.

It's a con.

This is where the depression is coming from:

11 Warning Signs of Gaslighting

Gaslighting is a tactic in which a person or entity, in order to gain more power, makes a victim question their reality. It works much better than you may think. Anyone is susceptible to gaslighting, and it is a common technique of abusers, dictators, narcissists, and cult leaders. It is done slowly, so the victim doesn't realize how much they've been brainwashed. For example, in the movie Gaslight (1944), a man manipulates his wife to the point where she thinks she is losing her mind.

In my book Gaslighting: Recognize Manipulative and Emotionally Abusive People - and Break Free I detail how gaslighters typically use the following techniques:

1. They tell blatant lies.

You know it's an outright lie. Yet they are telling you this lie with a straight face. Why are they so blatant? Because they're setting up a precedent. Once they tell you a huge lie, you're not sure if anything they say is true. Keeping you unsteady and off-kilter is the goal.

2. They deny they ever said something, even though you have proof.

You know they said they would do something; you know you heard it. But they out and out deny it. It makes you start questioning your reality—maybe they never said that thing. And the more they do this, the more you question your reality and start accepting theirs.

3. They use what is near and dear to you as ammunition.

They know how important your kids are to you, and they know how important your identity is to you. So those may be one of the first things they attack. If you have kids, they tell you that you should not have had those children. They will tell you'd be a worthy person if only you didn't have a long list of negative traits. They attack the foundation of your being.

4. They wear you down over time.

This is one of the insidious things about gaslighting—it is done gradually, over time. A lie here, a lie there, a snide comment every so often...and then it starts ramping up. Even the brightest, most self-aware people can be sucked into gaslighting—it is that effective. It's the "frog in the frying pan" analogy: The heat is turned up slowly, so the frog never realizes what's happening to it.

5. Their actions do not match their words.

When dealing with a person or entity that gaslights, look at what they are doing rather than what they are saying. What they are saying means nothing; it is just talk. What they are doing is the issue.

6. They throw in positive reinforcement to confuse you.

This person or entity that is cutting you down, telling you that you don't have value, is now praising you for something you did. This adds an additional sense of uneasiness. You think, "Well maybe they aren't so bad." Yes, they are. This is a calculated attempt to keep you off-kilter—and again, to question your reality. Also look at what you were praised for; it is probably something that served the gaslighter.

7. They know confusion weakens people.

Gaslighters know that people like having a sense of stability and normalcy. Their goal is to uproot this and make you constantly question everything. And humans' natural tendency is to look to the person or entity that will help you feel more stable—and that happens to be the gaslighter.

8. They project.

They are a drug user or a cheater, yet they are constantly accusing you of that. This is done so often that you start trying to defend yourself, and are distracted from the gaslighter's own behavior.

9. They try to align people against you.

Gaslighters are masters at manipulating and finding the people they know will stand by them no matter what—and they use these people against you. They will make comments such as, "This person knows that you're not right," or "This person knows you're useless too." Keep in mind it does not mean that these people actually said these things. A gaslighter is a constant liar. When the gaslighter uses this tactic it makes you feel like you don't know who to trust or turn to—and that leads you right back to the gaslighter. And that's exactly what they want: Isolation gives them more control.

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10. They tell you or others that you are crazy.

This is one of the most effective tools of the gaslighter, because it's dismissive. The gaslighter knows if they question your sanity, people will not believe you when you tell them the gaslighter is abusive or out-of-control. It's a master technique.

11. They tell you everyone else is a liar.

By telling you that everyone else (your family, the media) is a liar, it again makes you question your reality. You've never known someone with the audacity to do this, so they must be telling the truth, right? No. It's a manipulation technique. It makes people turn to the gaslighter for the "correct" information—which isn't correct information at all.

The more you are aware of these techniques, the quicker you can identify them and avoid falling into the gaslighter's trap.​

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Race is a social construct. Racists are overthinking it.

Not at all, you're severely idealistic, and ignorant, if you believe such a thing.

There's a ton of different racial variables which cause differences in temperament.

For example, MAO-A is found lowest in African-Americans, and this gene is found highest in Caucasians, and low MAO-A causes extreme impulsive behavior, violence, criminality, and general risky behavior.

Another example, the 7 repeating allele of D4DR causes ADHD like impulsive behavior, inattention, and risky behavior, even criminality, and is found highest in South-Americans. and at lowest frequencies in Asians.

To say these don't matter, it's a severe ignorance.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

I hate what gets written here for the most part. Hate it. I could go into many details but I won't here. Maybe in the thread.

So anyway, if you come to this forum but you believe in Individual over Race, give me a holler below. I do not mean that "color-blind" hooey, like race does not matter. Of course race factors into who we are. But I mean that you see people AS INDIVIDUALS first, with names, histories, and stories, rather than "races" being the primary characteristic of a person.

On the eve of the 4th of July, this strikes me as deeply American...and Christian. So let's sound off!

I see the Muslim first. other than that, I don't care what color you are.

Muslims have killed a lot less White Americans, than African Americans have.

Even if the attacks by Muslims are more gruesome, they're pretty sparse.

Also African-Americans pay less in taxes, overload the system a lot more, and yet take more welfare by far.

It just goes to show you're not thinking very clearly.

Not saying that Muslims aren't a problem, but you Hicks tend to be not completely rational on the situation, in the first place.

 

[petro]

I see the individual first.
Of course that statement means nothing to the race gimps that fill these pages.
I consider this section just to be another wing of the Rubber Room.

Thing is, I have never once used a racial slur on these pages, but apparently calling out idiots makes you a racist.
Whatever.

I hate what gets written here for the most part. Hate it. I could go into many details but I won't here. Maybe in the thread.

So anyway, if you come to this forum but you believe in Individual over Race, give me a holler below. I do not mean that "color-blind" hooey, like race does not matter. Of course race factors into who we are. But I mean that you see people AS INDIVIDUALS first, with names, histories, and stories, rather than "races" being the primary characteristic of a person.

On the eve of the 4th of July, this strikes me as deeply American...and Christian. So let's sound off!

The individual is most always the important factor for me regardless of race, gender, blah, blah. Whether I determine someone’s a good person or an a-hole has nothing to do with any of that stuff.

Individualism is severely idealistic, severely weak, and in the end is without value, hardly even a moral value, even.

Survival dictates that we tend to get along better with our own group, and that other groups can be a threat by division, or by overtaking for dominance.

To bring too many different groups into a situation, often leads to conflict, and chaos.

It's called Balkanization, and it's caused war, massacres, genocide, and even wiping out of cultures across the globe.

None of this is anything favorable.

Also, Individualists tend to be quitters on their groups, instead of letting them thrive.... Like we see in Western European societies they're too busy letting the Individual be judged, that they've let in hostile intruders invade to the point of slowly collapsing themselves

While, it maybe true there's good, and bad, smart, and dumb in all groups.

They occur at very different proportions, for example we find that the Black collective often leads to more violence, decay, and poverty worldwide, regardless of they're being good, or smart Blacks, their societies are left behind.

Once again, nothing that should be supported.

Frankly if you're in my group, I will stick with Individualism. That word salad just comes across to be as divisive as the rest of the shit on here.
I have seen enough of your posts to conclude we have absolutely nothing in common.

Those who choose conflict will find it no matter what "group" they are in.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

I see the individual first.
Of course that statement means nothing to the race gimps that fill these pages.
I consider this section just to be another wing of the Rubber Room.

Thing is, I have never once used a racial slur on these pages, but apparently calling out idiots makes you a racist.
Whatever.

I hate what gets written here for the most part. Hate it. I could go into many details but I won't here. Maybe in the thread.

So anyway, if you come to this forum but you believe in Individual over Race, give me a holler below. I do not mean that "color-blind" hooey, like race does not matter. Of course race factors into who we are. But I mean that you see people AS INDIVIDUALS first, with names, histories, and stories, rather than "races" being the primary characteristic of a person.

On the eve of the 4th of July, this strikes me as deeply American...and Christian. So let's sound off!

The individual is most always the important factor for me regardless of race, gender, blah, blah. Whether I determine someone’s a good person or an a-hole has nothing to do with any of that stuff.

Individualism is severely idealistic, severely weak, and in the end is without value, hardly even a moral value, even.

Survival dictates that we tend to get along better with our own group, and that other groups can be a threat by division, or by overtaking for dominance.

To bring too many different groups into a situation, often leads to conflict, and chaos.

It's called Balkanization, and it's caused war, massacres, genocide, and even wiping out of cultures across the globe.

None of this is anything favorable.

Also, Individualists tend to be quitters on their groups, instead of letting them thrive.... Like we see in Western European societies they're too busy letting the Individual be judged, that they've let in hostile intruders invade to the point of slowly collapsing themselves

While, it maybe true there's good, and bad, smart, and dumb in all groups.

They occur at very different proportions, for example we find that the Black collective often leads to more violence, decay, and poverty worldwide, regardless of they're being good, or smart Blacks, their societies are left behind.

Once again, nothing that should be supported.

Frankly if you're in my group, I will stick with Individualism. That word salad just comes across to be as divisive as the rest of the shit on here.
I have seen enough of your posts to conclude we have absolutely nothing in common.

Those who choose conflict will find it no matter what "group" they are in.

Take the Balkan wars.... Catholic Croats vs Orthodox Serbs vs Bosniak Muslims.

They all speak the same language..... Could they get along?

Absolutely not.

That's how Balkanization goes down, over, and over, and over again.

It doesn't matter that you have cute little ideals.

When the sh(t hits the fan, you will be dragged in as the lines fault.

I've spoken to Bosniaks in the war in the 1990's, her Serbian neighbors came in, and started shooting up their house.

That's the reality, and vice versa, Bosniaks did the same to Serbs too in the 1990's.

Idealistic Individualism will still get you killed, even if you have cute feelings of Individualism for the other, it won't save your life in the end.

Look at Amy Biehl, an anti-Racist activist in South-Africa, who still got killed by Blacks, because of the Black vs White divide there.

The problem is Individualism is idealistic, and holds absolutely no value in the real World.

 

[Rocko]

Race is a social construct. Racists are overthinking it.

Not at all, you're severely idealistic, and ignorant, if you believe such a thing.

There's a ton of different racial variables which cause differences in temperament.

For example, MAO-A is found lowest in African-Americans, and this gene is found highest in Caucasians, and low MAO-A causes extreme impulsive behavior, violence, criminality, and general risky behavior.

Another example, the 7 repeating allele of D4DR causes ADHD like impulsive behavior, inattention, and risky behavior, even criminality, and is found highest in South-Americans. and at lowest frequencies in Asians.

To say these don't matter, it's a severe ignorance.

Everything you said is bullshit. The differences we are cultural and environmental. Race isn’t a predisposition

 

[Unkotare]

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No it is believing some races are superior or inferior leading to discrimination or prejudice. Which usually manifests in slurs and other things.

I think you've engaged in this plenty by posting how civilization started in Africa and etc, etc, etc.

The ability, and willingness to discriminate has been key to our success, and survival.

How thirsty are you?

Agree. Discrimination itself is not bad...."to discern". The PC "othering" crap is nonsense. We all other; it's thinking logically. It's one of the first things babies do actually...I am me, mommy is not me. Etc.

But it's all in the application....it's what and how you discern, and on what basis.

Othering started in 1790 when it was determined who could be a citizen of this country. Discrimination by force of law is what people refer to when they talk about discrimination. Not choosing your friends.

You think making certain people citizens of your nation and others not BEGAN in 1790 with America???

Huh

I'm not going to be diverted by this kind of stupidity used to give those like you excuses. In this country othering began in 1790, and I'm being far more than fair by using that year as a starting point.

As I said, the racist trolls ^^^^ just can’t control themselves. I knew this well-intentioned thread would be shat upon by the trolls in short order.