This is WHY Trump Dropping the Debate Tonight Works in HIS Favor

[DarkFury]

1. He ducks the ambush that FOX planned by bringing in a couple of internet advocates for Hispanics and Muslims (that have given anti-Trump statements) as supposedly neutral questioners. Trump got wind of it and decided to not go there.

2. By the calculations of a forum member, Trump is punishing FOX big time with huge mark downs in their ad revenue from the debates. "Fox was asking for $750K a minute for ads with Trump in the debate, now they are down to $150K a minute. That's $600,000 a minute. If they have a 3 hour debate and sell 12 minutes per hour - they are losing $18,000,000. "

3. Trump is thus making Roger Ailes look like a loser for being a neocon lap dog, thus punishing a man that has apparently become his enemy.

4. He is making Kelly look like the pariah that cost FOX $18 million, thus punishing another enemy.

5. If any media networks have thought that 'Surely, Trump wont really drop out...' well, now they know better and this increases Trumps leverage with them in negotiations for future debates. Increasing leverage over an opponent is a key Trump negotiation tactic he has described well in his book 'The Art of the Deal'.

6. These debates do most of their damage in sound bites from quick improvised responses among one another. Trump has zero to gain and way too much to lose in such a debate given his current leads nationally and in Iowa and New Hampshire.

7. By removing himself, he puts Cruz in the hot seat and Cruz becomes the man that gets tagged by all his rivals for two hours and Trump gets a bye.

Of course, the question of whether this is a smart move by Trump is itself a political weapon now being used against him, and so the spin-meisters have to spin it so Trump looks bad regardless of what the facts are.

But Americans have learned a lot about the current political paradigm of late and they will rightly reject the spin bullshit that Trump made a stupid move here just like they have rejected the previous 'fatal error' spins the media and political establishments have tried to hang on Trump for the last 7 months.

OK, I get it. Trump is a hard and punishing negotiator. Do you think this "great quality of his as our next POTUS" has a "off" button?....I don't think it does..

I'm familiar with malignant narcissism and it's obvious signs. If Trump suffers from this disease, he will only see red first and think later. Wickedly punishing even slight offenses to their grandeur or plan, even imagined insults are daily fare. Often they do not think later even and never make apologies. They keep layering atrocity upon atrocity until all fear them and marvel at their grandeur.. VERY dangerous personas to have as the most powerful leader in the world..

And since the POTUS also deals with very sensitive nuanced issues both at home and abroad, Trump's "bull in the China closet, take no prisoners freight train without brakes" could and almost certainly will pull us into the last and final World War. You've gotta ask yourself, "do I want to let a bull loose in my precious china shop?"...

We are ALREADY at war, we just don't use the word.

We just dont make it official any more and that should change back to Constitutional war - declare the damned thing or be done with it.

I don't care what government says. If we lose a service persons life in battle its war.
They called Korea a "conflict", how many DIED over a conflict?
They called Nam "a police action". That term alone is a gross distortion of the truth and how many died?
Government sought to "STABILIZE" the M.E. Hows that sh8t working out?

And NOW our newest problem ISLAMIC TERRORISTS. But its anti-PC to call them that. Government says we are not at war with islam. Now here is where it REALLY gets retarded.

Islam SAYS its a HOLY WAR with us. Folks, I'm telling you ALL. When you don't pick the fight you DON"T get to name the fight. SIMPLE rule, been around for decades.

 

[bucs90]

He chose the lesser of 2 bad choices.

Get ambushed by Fox on stage and have a huge childish bickering session for the sake of media ratings

Or

Tell them to go fuck themselves, do his own thing, and let the media whine about it for a week and have the media try to convince America how horrible he is for not stepping into their ratings circus ambush.

Fuck the media. All of them. Fox included. The media has done more damage to this country than the Democrats, Republicans or ISIS combined.

Trump telling the media to go shove their debate....is what we need. They want a circus and Trump isn't gonna play the lion.

 

[MarcATL]

1. He ducks the ambush that FOX planned by bringing in a couple of internet advocates for Hispanics and Muslims (that have given anti-Trump statements) as supposedly neutral questioners. Trump got wind of it and decided to not go there.

2. By the calculations of a forum member, Trump is punishing FOX big time with huge mark downs in their ad revenue from the debates. "Fox was asking for $750K a minute for ads with Trump in the debate, now they are down to $150K a minute. That's $600,000 a minute. If they have a 3 hour debate and sell 12 minutes per hour - they are losing $18,000,000. "

3. Trump is thus making Roger Ailes look like a loser for being a neocon lap dog, thus punishing a man that has apparently become his enemy.

4. He is making Kelly look like the pariah that cost FOX $18 million, thus punishing another enemy.

5. If any media networks have thought that 'Surely, Trump wont really drop out...' well, now they know better and this increases Trumps leverage with them in negotiations for future debates. Increasing leverage over an opponent is a key Trump negotiation tactic he has described well in his book 'The Art of the Deal'.

6. These debates do most of their damage in sound bites from quick improvised responses among one another. Trump has zero to gain and way too much to lose in such a debate given his current leads nationally and in Iowa and New Hampshire.

7. By removing himself, he puts Cruz in the hot seat and Cruz becomes the man that gets tagged by all his rivals for two hours and Trump gets a bye.

Of course, the question of whether this is a smart move by Trump is itself a political weapon now being used against him, and so the spin-meisters have to spin it so Trump looks bad regardless of what the facts are.

But Americans have learned a lot about the current political paradigm of late and they will rightly reject the spin bullshit that Trump made a stupid move here just like they have rejected the previous 'fatal error' spins the media and political establishments have tried to hang on Trump for the last 7 months.

I don't think it works in his favor, because he has essentially given the stage to the other candidates to talk bad about him and he is not going to be able to refute them on the stage.

Spoken like a TRUE Republican hack.

Here's the bottom line bub, nobody will care about the stupid Republican so-called debate now that Trump has stepped away. That was the big draw. It's gone now. Furthermore, your argument simply stupid, because the hacks have been bashing Hillary Clinton non-stop in each and every one of these so-called debates pretty much the entire time, it's not really slowing her down, so if the Republican establishment hacks left over in tonight's so-called debates were to spend all their time bashing Trump, that would only empower him more. And guess what, when he swings back at each and every one of them that did it, THEY will feel the pain and SINK FURTHER in the ratings.

Think McFly...THINK!!!

 

[JimBowie1958]

The people who follow him are not given much to thinking and wont view it as the sinister bullying ploy that it is.

Skipping a debate is a 'sinister bullying ploy'?

Maybe you should do less caffeine?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

The people who follow him are not given much to thinking and wont view it as the sinister bullying ploy that it is.

Skipping a debate is a 'sinister bullying ploy'?

Maybe you should do less caffeine?

Well he tried to fix the debate on his terms regarding the blonde girl.And when that didnt work he "took his ball home".I think it actually works for him but its classic trump bully boy tactics.

 

[JimBowie1958]

The people who follow him are not given much to thinking and wont view it as the sinister bullying ploy that it is.

Skipping a debate is a 'sinister bullying ploy'?

Maybe you should do less caffeine?

Well he tried to fix the debate on his terms regarding the blonde girl.And when that didnt work he "took his ball home".I think it actually works for him but its classic trump bully boy tactics.

Trump is the guy at the poker game who has won a big chunk of everyone's money and is looking for the first excuse to go home and keep his winnings. And FOX gave him that excuse by inviting these internet shills to ambush him on their behalf.

For Trump to participate it is all downside for him, no up side, so why should he do it?

And many Americans, I am guessing probably a substantial majority are sick to death of dumbasses who sell out our nations interests to foreign nations and corporations because they think it is bad form to do otherwise.

That day is over for good now. And Trump has demonstrated that he can say 'No' and walk away from the table like a good negotiator must.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

The people who follow him are not given much to thinking and wont view it as the sinister bullying ploy that it is.

Skipping a debate is a 'sinister bullying ploy'?

Maybe you should do less caffeine?

Well he tried to fix the debate on his terms regarding the blonde girl.And when that didnt work he "took his ball home".I think it actually works for him but its classic trump bully boy tactics.

Trump is the guy at the poker game who has won a big chunk of everyone's money and is looking for the first excuse to go home and keep his winnings. And FOX gave him that excuse by inviting these internet shills to ambush him on their behalf.

For Trump to participate it is all downside for him, no up side, so why should he do it?

And many Americans, I am guessing probably a substantial majority are sick to death of dumbasses who sell out our nations interests to foreign nations and corporations because they think it is bad form to do otherwise.

That day is over for good now. And Trump has demonstrated that he can say 'No' and walk away from the table like a good negotiator must.

He pulled a similar stunt a few years ago .It was on a tv doc the other night. When he found out he couldnt control the documentary he got nasty and started stalking the presenter.
You are right that it wont affect his core vote though its worrying that his finger would be on the button. I can see that Scotland will disappear in a big mushroom cloud pretty quickly.

 

[JimBowie1958]

The people who follow him are not given much to thinking and wont view it as the sinister bullying ploy that it is.

Skipping a debate is a 'sinister bullying ploy'?

Maybe you should do less caffeine?

Well he tried to fix the debate on his terms regarding the blonde girl.And when that didnt work he "took his ball home".I think it actually works for him but its classic trump bully boy tactics.

Trump is the guy at the poker game who has won a big chunk of everyone's money and is looking for the first excuse to go home and keep his winnings. And FOX gave him that excuse by inviting these internet shills to ambush him on their behalf.

For Trump to participate it is all downside for him, no up side, so why should he do it?

And many Americans, I am guessing probably a substantial majority are sick to death of dumbasses who sell out our nations interests to foreign nations and corporations because they think it is bad form to do otherwise.

That day is over for good now. And Trump has demonstrated that he can say 'No' and walk away from the table like a good negotiator must.

He pulled a similar stunt a few years ago .It was on a tv doc the other night. When he found out he couldnt control the documentary he got nasty and started stalking the presenter.
You are right that it wont affect his core vote though its worrying that his finger would be on the button. I can see that Scotland will disappear in a big mushroom cloud pretty quickly.

Then you are delusional

 

[Katzndogz]

1. He ducks the ambush that FOX planned by bringing in a couple of internet advocates for Hispanics and Muslims (that have given anti-Trump statements) as supposedly neutral questioners. Trump got wind of it and decided to not go there.

2. By the calculations of a forum member, Trump is punishing FOX big time with huge mark downs in their ad revenue from the debates. "Fox was asking for $750K a minute for ads with Trump in the debate, now they are down to $150K a minute. That's $600,000 a minute. If they have a 3 hour debate and sell 12 minutes per hour - they are losing $18,000,000. "

3. Trump is thus making Roger Ailes look like a loser for being a neocon lap dog, thus punishing a man that has apparently become his enemy.

4. He is making Kelly look like the pariah that cost FOX $18 million, thus punishing another enemy.

5. If any media networks have thought that 'Surely, Trump wont really drop out...' well, now they know better and this increases Trumps leverage with them in negotiations for future debates. Increasing leverage over an opponent is a key Trump negotiation tactic he has described well in his book 'The Art of the Deal'.

6. These debates do most of their damage in sound bites from quick improvised responses among one another. Trump has zero to gain and way too much to lose in such a debate given his current leads nationally and in Iowa and New Hampshire.

7. By removing himself, he puts Cruz in the hot seat and Cruz becomes the man that gets tagged by all his rivals for two hours and Trump gets a bye.

Of course, the question of whether this is a smart move by Trump is itself a political weapon now being used against him, and so the spin-meisters have to spin it so Trump looks bad regardless of what the facts are.

But Americans have learned a lot about the current political paradigm of late and they will rightly reject the spin bullshit that Trump made a stupid move here just like they have rejected the previous 'fatal error' spins the media and political establishments have tried to hang on Trump for the last 7 months.

I don't think it works in his favor, because he has essentially given the stage to the other candidates to talk bad about him and he is not going to be able to refute them on the stage.

"talk bad about him"? What are you like twelve?
You are one ignorant little fool!
Do you REALLY think the candidates on the stage where for once they don't have to deal with Trump talking all the oxygen out of the room and they now have a chance to tell the American voter what a great President they would make are going to spend the precious time attacking someone who isn't there?
You REALLY need to wise up asshole.

The candidates will finally have a chance to talk but there won't be anybody listening.

 

[jon_berzerk]

1. He ducks the ambush that FOX planned by bringing in a couple of internet advocates for Hispanics and Muslims (that have given anti-Trump statements) as supposedly neutral questioners. Trump got wind of it and decided to not go there.

2. By the calculations of a forum member, Trump is punishing FOX big time with huge mark downs in their ad revenue from the debates. "Fox was asking for $750K a minute for ads with Trump in the debate, now they are down to $150K a minute. That's $600,000 a minute. If they have a 3 hour debate and sell 12 minutes per hour - they are losing $18,000,000. "

3. Trump is thus making Roger Ailes look like a loser for being a neocon lap dog, thus punishing a man that has apparently become his enemy.

4. He is making Kelly look like the pariah that cost FOX $18 million, thus punishing another enemy.

5. If any media networks have thought that 'Surely, Trump wont really drop out...' well, now they know better and this increases Trumps leverage with them in negotiations for future debates. Increasing leverage over an opponent is a key Trump negotiation tactic he has described well in his book 'The Art of the Deal'.

6. These debates do most of their damage in sound bites from quick improvised responses among one another. Trump has zero to gain and way too much to lose in such a debate given his current leads nationally and in Iowa and New Hampshire.

7. By removing himself, he puts Cruz in the hot seat and Cruz becomes the man that gets tagged by all his rivals for two hours and Trump gets a bye.

Of course, the question of whether this is a smart move by Trump is itself a political weapon now being used against him, and so the spin-meisters have to spin it so Trump looks bad regardless of what the facts are.

But Americans have learned a lot about the current political paradigm of late and they will rightly reject the spin bullshit that Trump made a stupid move here just like they have rejected the previous 'fatal error' spins the media and political establishments have tried to hang on Trump for the last 7 months.

I don't think it works in his favor, because he has essentially given the stage to the other candidates to talk bad about him and he is not going to be able to refute them on the stage.

under that analysis even without trump he would be the winner because the talk would be all about him

and at the same time trump will be on another channel gaining even more name recognition

now ta boot two other candidates are joining trump tonight --LOL

santorum and the Huck

even better

--LOL

 

[JimBowie1958]

under that analysis even without trump he would be the winner because the talk would be all about him

...as this thread and a dozen others illustrate.

 

[Katzndogz]

Reagan skipped a debate. He once got up from the negotiating table with Russia and walked out.

Know when to hold them. No when to fold them. Know when to walk away.

 

[Correll]

Reagan skipped a debate. He once got up from the negotiating table with Russia and walked out.

Know when to hold them. No when to fold them. Know when to walk away.

THat's the only way to win a negotiation.

YOu need to be willing to walk away from the deal. Or you will never have the leverage to get what you want.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Reagan skipped a debate. He once got up from the negotiating table with Russia and walked out.

Know when to hold them. No when to fold them. Know when to walk away.

THat's the only way to win a negotiation.

YOu need to be willing to walk away from the deal. Or you will never have the leverage to get what you want.

Yep.

Walking away is the only way to get those who think they control the discussion to realize that, no, they actually dont.

 

[jon_berzerk]

under that analysis even without trump he would be the winner because the talk would be all about him

...as this thread and a dozen others illustrate.

true

Trump is the talk of the nation

 

[jon_berzerk]

Reagan skipped a debate. He once got up from the negotiating table with Russia and walked out.

Know when to hold them. No when to fold them. Know when to walk away.

the best deal i ever got on a new car

i simply got up and walked away from the table

the next morning i got exactly the deal i wanted +

 

[jon_berzerk]

Reagan skipped a debate. He once got up from the negotiating table with Russia and walked out.

Know when to hold them. No when to fold them. Know when to walk away.

THat's the only way to win a negotiation.

YOu need to be willing to walk away from the deal. Or you will never have the leverage to get what you want.

exactly

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The right's obsessing over whether Trump 'debates' or not is further evidence of what a disaster the GOP has become.

 

[JimBowie1958]

under that analysis even without trump he would be the winner because the talk would be all about him

...as this thread and a dozen others illustrate.

true

Trump is the talk of the nation

In the Bad Old Days, we used to refer to media coverage as 'buzz'.

These days you dont need the major media to get buzz.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

1. He ducks the ambush that FOX planned by bringing in a couple of internet advocates for Hispanics and Muslims (that have given anti-Trump statements) as supposedly neutral questioners. Trump got wind of it and decided to not go there.

2. By the calculations of a forum member, Trump is punishing FOX big time with huge mark downs in their ad revenue from the debates. "Fox was asking for $750K a minute for ads with Trump in the debate, now they are down to $150K a minute. That's $600,000 a minute. If they have a 3 hour debate and sell 12 minutes per hour - they are losing $18,000,000. "

3. Trump is thus making Roger Ailes look like a loser for being a neocon lap dog, thus punishing a man that has apparently become his enemy.

4. He is making Kelly look like the pariah that cost FOX $18 million, thus punishing another enemy.

5. If any media networks have thought that 'Surely, Trump wont really drop out...' well, now they know better and this increases Trumps leverage with them in negotiations for future debates. Increasing leverage over an opponent is a key Trump negotiation tactic he has described well in his book 'The Art of the Deal'.

6. These debates do most of their damage in sound bites from quick improvised responses among one another. Trump has zero to gain and way too much to lose in such a debate given his current leads nationally and in Iowa and New Hampshire.

7. By removing himself, he puts Cruz in the hot seat and Cruz becomes the man that gets tagged by all his rivals for two hours and Trump gets a bye.

Of course, the question of whether this is a smart move by Trump is itself a political weapon now being used against him, and so the spin-meisters have to spin it so Trump looks bad regardless of what the facts are.

But Americans have learned a lot about the current political paradigm of late and they will rightly reject the spin bullshit that Trump made a stupid move here just like they have rejected the previous 'fatal error' spins the media and political establishments have tried to hang on Trump for the last 7 months.

Oh, brother.

1. Trump isn't going to be the nominee, democrats aren't that lucky.

2. Trump is hurting republicans and their already slim chances this November.

3. The sooner republicans are rid of Trump the better for republicans.