This photo captures the difference between socialists and freedom loving capitalists...

[Missouri_Mike]

That's actually true if their height is representative of effort to attend the game. Whose effort is most relied upon in this situation to lift the other two to equal status? Who has to lose the most boxes to make everyone equal? And when the next baseball season starts why would the tall guy try as hard to attend the game when everything he does he gets no benefit from? And as a final thought. Why should he care about the short guy? The middle one may be a pretty good employee and got a free ticket. But the short guy? Why does he deserve to be there at all?

 

[bripat9643]

Obama has been great for capitalism and Wall Street. They love him!

Correction
Crony Capitalism- because the Government was putting money into Wall Street, that is not true Capitalism.

You wouldn't be here if it wasn't for government investment as the trading outpost and exploration of the 15th through 18th century was backed by government.

It isn't a bad thing. Most countries do it.

The Pilgrims and Jamestown were privately funded, numskull.

 

[bripat9643]

We don't hate rich liberals, liberals hate other rich people, then try to use the government to take all of their stuff...and then call that "justice."

The above crap shouldn't go unchallenged.........I'd really like to know when and to whom the "government" took all of their stuff and then called that justice. Moronic right wingers throw this stuff out and convince other morons that its the truth.

So the government didn't take ALL of it yet? Well, I guess that makes it OK, right?

Do you pay taxes for the road you drive on and for the regulations for the clean air, water and food you eat & drink?? If not then you're a bum.

Do I have a choice about paying taxes?

So what's your point?

 

[2aguy]

We don't hate rich liberals, liberals hate other rich people, then try to use the government to take all of their stuff...and then call that "justice."

The above crap shouldn't go unchallenged.........I'd really like to know when and to whom the "government" took all of their stuff and then called that justice. Moronic right wingers throw this stuff out and convince other morons that its the truth.

So the government didn't take ALL of it yet? Well, I guess that makes it OK, right?

Do you pay taxes for the road you drive on and for the regulations for the clean air, water and food you eat & drink?? If not then you're a bum.

yeah...we do.....and we don't mind paying taxes for the things we all use.....but people like you want to give more and more money to greedy, corrupt politicians who will give your tax money to the very corporations you hate....and you complain about us....you are the one who should rethink their beliefs on taxes.....

 

[Missouri_Mike]

A pure capitalist is the furthest thing from freedom loving.
Dirty air
Dirty water
Old or bad food
No regulations on the market place
No workers rights
Only the rich can own anything or drive on any roads.
Only the rich can get weather warnings
Only the rich can send their kids to school

Pure capitalism sucks. It is a cult full of idiots like the pure socialism bunch!!!!!

Social-democracy of regulations of the private and public sector is best!

Those are all socialist smears and only the gullible believe them.

Look at what corporations like Apple or many others are doing in China. Corporations need to be regulated or they will do exactly what I just said.

You're a native fool that is blind to reality if you can't accept what is right in front of your face.

Isn't China more like what you think the US should be with identical regulations?

 

[2aguy]

A pure capitalist is the furthest thing from freedom loving.
Dirty air
Dirty water
Old or bad food
No regulations on the market place
No workers rights
Only the rich can own anything or drive on any roads.
Only the rich can get weather warnings
Only the rich can send their kids to school

Pure capitalism sucks. It is a cult full of idiots like the pure socialism bunch!!!!!

Social-democracy of regulations of the private and public sector is best!

Those are all socialist smears and only the gullible believe them.

Look at what corporations like Apple or many others are doing in China. Corporations need to be regulated or they will do exactly what I just said.

You're a native fool that is blind to reality if you can't accept what is right in front of your face.

Who do you think is letting APPLE do that in china.........the greedy, corrupt politicians who got paid off by apple......and yet those are your heroes...the guys you want to send more of your tax money to here in this country....how do you explain that concept?

 

[bripat9643]

There is nothing wrong with capitalism, just as long as it's not unfettered capitalism.

There is nothing wrong with capitalism till the government gets involved and turn it into crony socialism.....

Unfettered capitalism brought us the S & L fiasco, Enron, WorldCom, and the Great Recession.
How'd that work out for the U.S. And a vast Majority of Americans?

ROFL! Only a complete moron believes we had unfettered capitalism when those fiascos occured. Furthermore, S & L fiasco and the Great Recession were caused by government. Enron is an example of crony capitalism, and WorldCom was just a bankruptcy. That's a normal part of capitalism. That's what makes it superior to government: badly run companies go out of business. Badly run government agencies never go out of business.

 

[bripat9643]

A pure capitalist is the furthest thing from freedom loving.
Dirty air
Dirty water
Old or bad food
No regulations on the market place
No workers rights
Only the rich can own anything or drive on any roads.
Only the rich can get weather warnings
Only the rich can send their kids to school

Pure capitalism sucks. It is a cult full of idiots like the pure socialism bunch!!!!!

Social-democracy of regulations of the private and public sector is best!

Those are all socialist smears and only the gullible believe them.

Look at what corporations like Apple or many others are doing in China. Corporations need to be regulated or they will do exactly what I just said.

You're a native fool that is blind to reality if you can't accept what is right in front of your face.

What horrible thing are they doing, providing people with jobs?

 

[2aguy]

A pure capitalist is the furthest thing from freedom loving.
Dirty air
Dirty water
Old or bad food
No regulations on the market place
No workers rights
Only the rich can own anything or drive on any roads.
Only the rich can get weather warnings
Only the rich can send their kids to school

Pure capitalism sucks. It is a cult full of idiots like the pure socialism bunch!!!!!

Social-democracy of regulations of the private and public sector is best!

Those are all socialist smears and only the gullible believe them.

Look at what corporations like Apple or many others are doing in China. Corporations need to be regulated or they will do exactly what I just said.

You're a native fool that is blind to reality if you can't accept what is right in front of your face.

What horrible thing are they doing, providing people with jobs?

And the only thing that allows the social welfare countries of Europe to provide their luxurious benfits to their people...they don't pay for a real military...they rely on the U.S. to keep them safe....big mistake...big mistake.....Putin is laughing...

Report Sweden s National Defences Have Vanished and Russia is Laughing


A couple of decades ago, Sweden had a strong military. Its air force was one of the capable in the world, its navy had dozens of ships and submarines, and artillery guarded the coastlines from a multitude of secret mountain hideaways.

Now, after a number of fatal decisions, based on the belief that wars in Europe were a thing of the past, most of its military is gone and Sweden has virtually no means of protecting itself.

According to Sweden’s Supreme Commander Sverker Göransson, we can, at best and in five years, defend ourselves in one place for one week.

 

[bripat9643]

No....how stupid are you...both ends to do not lead to the same place...what a moron...freedom does not lead to more slavery.....

The point is that if you go to either extreme, you lose freedom

Fascism is actually between liberalism ans socialism, Holmes. It's socialism lite.

I do like a Marxist like you advocating not being "extreme." Funniest thing I heard since Ted Kennedy decried extremism in DC

fascism politics Britannica.com

Fascism is neither conservative nor liberal. It's not capitalist or Communist. It's a "third way" movement. Do you know anything about Mussolini?

Fascism is where businesses are technically in private hands, but they are government controlled. That is one step away from full socialism and always leads there

Idiiot, your idea of non-regulated market place is far worse. There's nothing wrong with investing in r&d and infrastructure for the public good.

Stupid fuck.

There's everything wrong with it. Seldom is government "investment" for the public good. More often then not it's for the benefit of crony capitalists.

 

[2aguy]

The point is that if you go to either extreme, you lose freedom

Fascism is actually between liberalism ans socialism, Holmes. It's socialism lite.

I do like a Marxist like you advocating not being "extreme." Funniest thing I heard since Ted Kennedy decried extremism in DC

fascism politics Britannica.com

Fascism is neither conservative nor liberal. It's not capitalist or Communist. It's a "third way" movement. Do you know anything about Mussolini?

Fascism is where businesses are technically in private hands, but they are government controlled. That is one step away from full socialism and always leads there

Idiiot, your idea of non-regulated market place is far worse. There's nothing wrong with investing in r&d and infrastructure for the public good.

Stupid fuck.

There's everything wrong with it. Seldom is government "investment" for the public good. More often then not it's for the benefit of crony capitalists.

The more accurate term..."Crony Socialists."

 

[bripat9643]

The dirty unregulated rivers and air of China that has allowed corporations to do as they please is a modern display on how fucked your ideas are.


America and Europe use to be like this before government put in place intelligent regulations.

In a true capitalist country property owners hold corporations accountable for defiling their property. It's only where property is government owned that you have problems like air pollution and water pollution.

 

[2aguy]

The dirty unregulated rivers and air of China that has allowed corporations to do as they please is a modern display on how fucked your ideas are.


America and Europe use to be like this before government put in place intelligent regulations.

In a true capitalist country property owners hold corporations accountable for defiling their property. It's only where property is government owned that you have problems like air pollution and water pollution.

Because the government doesn't care....and you have a harder time getting help against the government.....

 

[bripat9643]

The capitalist will say...I got mine, fuck everyone else

Clearly, you are not a capitalist. Only a true socialist/communist/fascist would even say that.

That way of thinking is exactly what the OP was saying. You see someone in a nice house and assume that they don't give a shit about anyone else. You have a big chip on your shoulder and resent those who believe in capitalism and do well. You really don't understand why some do well or why you don't have to be wealthy to live in a nice house. The average middle class American has a nice house and car and they still work very hard for what they have. Hell, our poor live better than the average people in other countries.

Republicans donate more to charity than Democrats, which shows who cares about the poor. There have been several threads/posts on that here in the forum, so don't ask for links. Look them up.

Dems want to confiscate wealth from others to win votes. Repubs want people to actually elevate themselves and have shown a willingness to help them do that. The left resents it when people seek independence from government. You see, the right wants more people doing well and reducing the need of nanny government because big government is oppressive and ultimately keeps people down.

If the left are the ones who support choice, why are they the ones who need to use force to get their way?

What other way do we have clean air, water, food and workers rights? History proves without a shallow of a doubt that unregulated capitalism doesn't do that. Force is a part of life.

it's done through tort law. You have no clue what history proves because you mind is thoroughly corrupted by propaganda.

 

[David_42]

Yes, when we give lower classes jobs, that is THEM supporting US. When all their bills are paid with money we pay them. You people are just ridiculous

You think that you still own the money you pay your employees?

So what are you implying, that everything I earn belongs to the government?

That's pretty much the definition of "stupid."

I don't think he implied that. Regardless, viewing your posts leads me to believe that you're the worst type of partisan hack.

 

[David_42]

The capitalist will say...I got mine, fuck everyone else

Clearly, you are not a capitalist. Only a true socialist/communist/fascist would even say that.

That way of thinking is exactly what the OP was saying. You see someone in a nice house and assume that they don't give a shit about anyone else. You have a big chip on your shoulder and resent those who believe in capitalism and do well. You really don't understand why some do well or why you don't have to be wealthy to live in a nice house. The average middle class American has a nice house and car and they still work very hard for what they have. Hell, our poor live better than the average people in other countries.

Republicans donate more to charity than Democrats, which shows who cares about the poor. There have been several threads/posts on that here in the forum, so don't ask for links. Look them up.

Dems want to confiscate wealth from others to win votes. Repubs want people to actually elevate themselves and have shown a willingness to help them do that. The left resents it when people seek independence from government. You see, the right wants more people doing well and reducing the need of nanny government because big government is oppressive and ultimately keeps people down.

If the left are the ones who support choice, why are they the ones who need to use force to get their way?

What other way do we have clean air, water, food and workers rights? History proves without a shallow of a doubt that unregulated capitalism doesn't do that. Force is a part of life.

it's done through tort law. You have no clue what history proves because you mind is thoroughly corrupted by propaganda.

I think this proves my point, you can deny the violent history that led to capitalism and the horrid conditions suffered before regulations, or keep living in a shelter.

 

[David_42]

The only end game for capitalism is fascism. Destroy the competition then buy the voting process ensuring ownership of all significant markets and wealth.

You assume there is an endgame.

That is asinine. You create a system to ENDURE - not to get somewhere. Capitalism might be a vehicle for innovation but it, in and of itself, is not something that is supposed to move into another system such as fascism.

As capitalism lends it's self to bonding with government as a mechanism to endure that is the genesis of fascism.

Wrong, capitalism doesn't lend itself to any such thing. Government, on the other hand, is rapacious and grows at the expense of capitalism and freedom.

You object to increasing government control, yet you favor socialism which is complete government control.

Socialism needs to be mixed with capitalism, using socialism in meaning universal healthcare and such.

 

[bripat9643]

Mussolini's own summary of the Fascist philosophy: "Tutto nello Stato, niente al di fuori dello Stato, nulla contro lo Stato" (Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State)

Yeah...sounds like free exchange of goods and services...right?

No, nitwit....Mussolini wanted the entire Italian industry to be on war-footing preparing that country (like the Rumsfelds and the Cheneys) for self-aggrandizing invasions and colonialism of other countries.

How does that make fascism a form of capitalism?

 

[idb]

Here you go...this explains things pretty well.....

Unlike no other Country or Economy in the World, US provides more opportunity for more people to have a house like this. Liberals will site Income Inequality in the US is unlike no other in the World; yet so is immigration demand (both legal and non-legal means) is higher to come to the US. Why would demand be so high to come to a country that has high income inequality? Liberals want US to be more like many of the countries that don't provide such opportunity in exchange for reduction in income inequality??? I'd rather have the best opportunity and higher income inequality vs. receding into another economy that locks in a true 1%, eliminates a Middle Class, and does not provide opportunity for economic upward mobility.

I think you'll find that Liberals that cite income inequality as a problem agree with you.
The point is that income inequality diminishes opportunity.

 

[David_42]

The dirty unregulated rivers and air of China that has allowed corporations to do as they please is a modern display on how fucked your ideas are.


America and Europe use to be like this before government put in place intelligent regulations.

In a true capitalist country property owners hold corporations accountable for defiling their property. It's only where property is government owned that you have problems like air pollution and water pollution.

I hope you're joking, pollution exists depending on the actions of those who use the property, throughout history, capitalists worldwide, not just america, have been shown to mercilessly abuse the environment. That's why we have national parks protected, the EPA, regulations on emissions, and other such things, I must ask, what is a "pure capitalist" country, capitalists had the opportunity to do all your talking about, same with pure socialists, many times, both failed.