This photo captures the difference between socialists and freedom loving capitalists...

[David_42]

Here you go...this explains things pretty well.....

Unlike no other Country or Economy in the World, US provides more opportunity for more people to have a house like this. Liberals will site Income Inequality in the US is unlike no other in the World; yet so is immigration demand (both legal and non-legal means) is higher to come to the US. Why would demand be so high to come to a country that has high income inequality? Liberals want US to be more like many of the countries that don't provide such opportunity in exchange for reduction in income inequality??? I'd rather have the best opportunity and higher income inequality vs. receding into another economy that locks in a true 1%, eliminates a Middle Class, and does not provide opportunity for economic upward mobility.

I think you'll find that Liberals that cite income inequality as a problem agree with you.
The point is that income inequality diminishes opportunity.

Hey, you're from new zealand, right?

 

[David_42]

Mussolini's own summary of the Fascist philosophy: "Tutto nello Stato, niente al di fuori dello Stato, nulla contro lo Stato" (Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State)

Yeah...sounds like free exchange of goods and services...right?

No, nitwit....Mussolini wanted the entire Italian industry to be on war-footing preparing that country (like the Rumsfelds and the Cheneys) for self-aggrandizing invasions and colonialism of other countries.

How does that make fascism a form of capitalism?

Fascism has ony ever come from capitalism.

 

[bripat9643]

Unfettered capitalism is as destructive as unfettered socialism. Both need regulated. An optimum combination of both is best.

Horseshit. Unfettered capitalism is what raised the standard of living in this country levels not even imagined.

 

[bripat9643]

Mussolini's own summary of the Fascist philosophy: "Tutto nello Stato, niente al di fuori dello Stato, nulla contro lo Stato" (Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State)

Yeah...sounds like free exchange of goods and services...right?

No, nitwit....Mussolini wanted the entire Italian industry to be on war-footing preparing that country (like the Rumsfelds and the Cheneys) for self-aggrandizing invasions and colonialism of other countries.

How does that make fascism a form of capitalism?

Fascism has ony ever come from capitalism.

So has what you call "socialism."

 

[David_42]

The point is that if you go to either extreme, you lose freedom

Fascism is actually between liberalism ans socialism, Holmes. It's socialism lite.

I do like a Marxist like you advocating not being "extreme." Funniest thing I heard since Ted Kennedy decried extremism in DC

fascism politics Britannica.com

Fascism is neither conservative nor liberal. It's not capitalist or Communist. It's a "third way" movement. Do you know anything about Mussolini?

Fascism is where businesses are technically in private hands, but they are government controlled. That is one step away from full socialism and always leads there

Idiiot, your idea of non-regulated market place is far worse. There's nothing wrong with investing in r&d and infrastructure for the public good.

Stupid fuck.

There's everything wrong with it. Seldom is government "investment" for the public good. More often then not it's for the benefit of crony capitalists.

Err, government investment in domestic issues actually does help the public, and calling all capitalists who don't agree with you crony is childish.

 

[2aguy]

The capitalist will say...I got mine, fuck everyone else

Clearly, you are not a capitalist. Only a true socialist/communist/fascist would even say that.

That way of thinking is exactly what the OP was saying. You see someone in a nice house and assume that they don't give a shit about anyone else. You have a big chip on your shoulder and resent those who believe in capitalism and do well. You really don't understand why some do well or why you don't have to be wealthy to live in a nice house. The average middle class American has a nice house and car and they still work very hard for what they have. Hell, our poor live better than the average people in other countries.

Republicans donate more to charity than Democrats, which shows who cares about the poor. There have been several threads/posts on that here in the forum, so don't ask for links. Look them up.

Dems want to confiscate wealth from others to win votes. Repubs want people to actually elevate themselves and have shown a willingness to help them do that. The left resents it when people seek independence from government. You see, the right wants more people doing well and reducing the need of nanny government because big government is oppressive and ultimately keeps people down.

If the left are the ones who support choice, why are they the ones who need to use force to get their way?

What other way do we have clean air, water, food and workers rights? History proves without a shallow of a doubt that unregulated capitalism doesn't do that. Force is a part of life.

it's done through tort law. You have no clue what history proves because you mind is thoroughly corrupted by propaganda.

I think this proves my point, you can deny the violent history that led to capitalism and the horrid conditions suffered before regulations, or keep living in a shelter.

You do realize that industrialization was a brand new thing....in a more primitive world...so of course it wasn't going to go smoothly and be perfect...we went to manual labor agrarianism....to manual labor industrialism with people learning the new skills in every aspect of the new way of life on the go, as it was happening...and you guys think it should have been perfect from day 1......and the fact that as we have become more experienced with capitalism, and industrialization it has become cleaner and better for all workers.....unless you live in a socialist nation.....

And China is just coming out of a state run society, with still too much of their economy decided by the government....but give them time and they will clean up their environment, and be better to their workers...why.....? Because their people will have more money...and they will start to demand a better life because they can afford it.....

That is what capitalism does for people...it makes their lives better, at all levels of wealth.......

 

[idb]

A pure capitalist is the furthest thing from freedom loving.
Dirty air
Dirty water
Old or bad food
No regulations on the market place
No workers rights
Only the rich can own anything or drive on any roads.
Only the rich can get weather warnings
Only the rich can send their kids to school

Pure capitalism sucks. It is a cult full of idiots like the pure socialism bunch!!!!!

Social-democracy of regulations of the private and public sector is best!

Those are all socialist smears and only the gullible believe them.

Look at what corporations like Apple or many others are doing in China. Corporations need to be regulated or they will do exactly what I just said.

You're a native fool that is blind to reality if you can't accept what is right in front of your face.

Who do you think is letting APPLE do that in china.........the greedy, corrupt politicians who got paid off by apple......and yet those are your heroes...the guys you want to send more of your tax money to here in this country....how do you explain that concept?

Paying off corrupt politicians is the free market at work.
Why do you think that's a bad thing?

 

[David_42]

Mussolini's own summary of the Fascist philosophy: "Tutto nello Stato, niente al di fuori dello Stato, nulla contro lo Stato" (Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State)

Yeah...sounds like free exchange of goods and services...right?

No, nitwit....Mussolini wanted the entire Italian industry to be on war-footing preparing that country (like the Rumsfelds and the Cheneys) for self-aggrandizing invasions and colonialism of other countries.

How does that make fascism a form of capitalism?

Fascism has ony ever come from capitalism.

So has what you call "socialism."

Fascism has never come out of socialism.

 

[2aguy]

Fascism is actually between liberalism ans socialism, Holmes. It's socialism lite.

I do like a Marxist like you advocating not being "extreme." Funniest thing I heard since Ted Kennedy decried extremism in DC

fascism politics Britannica.com

Fascism is neither conservative nor liberal. It's not capitalist or Communist. It's a "third way" movement. Do you know anything about Mussolini?

Fascism is where businesses are technically in private hands, but they are government controlled. That is one step away from full socialism and always leads there

Idiiot, your idea of non-regulated market place is far worse. There's nothing wrong with investing in r&d and infrastructure for the public good.

Stupid fuck.

There's everything wrong with it. Seldom is government "investment" for the public good. More often then not it's for the benefit of crony capitalists.

Err, government investment in domestic issues actually does help the public, and calling all capitalists who don't agree with you crony is childish.

government investment in domestic issues actually does help the public,

Until the people become so dependent on it they stop wanting to work...and then the money runs out...and the real socialists take over...and the mass graves get dug.....

 

[David_42]

A pure capitalist is the furthest thing from freedom loving.
Dirty air
Dirty water
Old or bad food
No regulations on the market place
No workers rights
Only the rich can own anything or drive on any roads.
Only the rich can get weather warnings
Only the rich can send their kids to school

Pure capitalism sucks. It is a cult full of idiots like the pure socialism bunch!!!!!

Social-democracy of regulations of the private and public sector is best!

Those are all socialist smears and only the gullible believe them.

Look at what corporations like Apple or many others are doing in China. Corporations need to be regulated or they will do exactly what I just said.

You're a native fool that is blind to reality if you can't accept what is right in front of your face.

Who do you think is letting APPLE do that in china.........the greedy, corrupt politicians who got paid off by apple......and yet those are your heroes...the guys you want to send more of your tax money to here in this country....how do you explain that concept?

Paying off corrupt politicians is the free market at work.
Why do you think that's a bad thing?

Capitalism is a perfect system to them, everything bad that results from it such as colonialism/etc is "crony." Apparantly, pollution is "crony" now.

 

[bripat9643]

Some interesting death toll statistics:

The Death Tolls of Socialism And Capitalism - Sciforums

Your propaganda attributes every war that ever occurred to capitalism, so that's obvious horseshit.

 

[David_42]

fascism politics Britannica.com

Fascism is neither conservative nor liberal. It's not capitalist or Communist. It's a "third way" movement. Do you know anything about Mussolini?

Fascism is where businesses are technically in private hands, but they are government controlled. That is one step away from full socialism and always leads there

Idiiot, your idea of non-regulated market place is far worse. There's nothing wrong with investing in r&d and infrastructure for the public good.

Stupid fuck.

There's everything wrong with it. Seldom is government "investment" for the public good. More often then not it's for the benefit of crony capitalists.

Err, government investment in domestic issues actually does help the public, and calling all capitalists who don't agree with you crony is childish.

government investment in domestic issues actually does help the public,

Until the people become so dependent on it they stop wanting to work...and then the money runs out...and the real socialists take over...and the mass graves get dug.....

Your posts are an example of why we need afforable college.

 

[David_42]

Some interesting death toll statistics:

The Death Tolls of Socialism And Capitalism - Sciforums

Your propaganda attributes every war that ever occurred to capitalism, so that's obvious horseshit.

And people on the other side don't attribute every single thing under authroritarian socialist dictators to socialism? Both sides are dishonest and play number games.

 

[2aguy]

A pure capitalist is the furthest thing from freedom loving.
Dirty air
Dirty water
Old or bad food
No regulations on the market place
No workers rights
Only the rich can own anything or drive on any roads.
Only the rich can get weather warnings
Only the rich can send their kids to school

Pure capitalism sucks. It is a cult full of idiots like the pure socialism bunch!!!!!

Social-democracy of regulations of the private and public sector is best!

Those are all socialist smears and only the gullible believe them.

Look at what corporations like Apple or many others are doing in China. Corporations need to be regulated or they will do exactly what I just said.

You're a native fool that is blind to reality if you can't accept what is right in front of your face.

Who do you think is letting APPLE do that in china.........the greedy, corrupt politicians who got paid off by apple......and yet those are your heroes...the guys you want to send more of your tax money to here in this country....how do you explain that concept?

Paying off corrupt politicians is the free market at work.
Why do you think that's a bad thing?

No...that is a socialist thing...because the government has the power to make or break your business with it's arbitrary power....if politicians didn't have that power, and only acted as police.....there would be no reason to bribe officials.....in a place with socialism....you have to bribe officials just to get a business going....

 

[David_42]

Some interesting death toll statistics:

The Death Tolls of Socialism And Capitalism - Sciforums

Your propaganda attributes every war that ever occurred to capitalism, so that's obvious horseshit.

I also find it amusing that you believe everything you disagree with is propaganda.

 

[David_42]

A pure capitalist is the furthest thing from freedom loving.
Dirty air
Dirty water
Old or bad food
No regulations on the market place
No workers rights
Only the rich can own anything or drive on any roads.
Only the rich can get weather warnings
Only the rich can send their kids to school

Pure capitalism sucks. It is a cult full of idiots like the pure socialism bunch!!!!!

Social-democracy of regulations of the private and public sector is best!

Those are all socialist smears and only the gullible believe them.

Look at what corporations like Apple or many others are doing in China. Corporations need to be regulated or they will do exactly what I just said.

You're a native fool that is blind to reality if you can't accept what is right in front of your face.

Who do you think is letting APPLE do that in china.........the greedy, corrupt politicians who got paid off by apple......and yet those are your heroes...the guys you want to send more of your tax money to here in this country....how do you explain that concept?

Paying off corrupt politicians is the free market at work.
Why do you think that's a bad thing?

No...that is a socialist thing...because the government has the power to make or break your business with it's arbitrary power....if politicians didn't have that power, and only acted as police.....there would be no reason to bribe officials.....in a place with socialism....you have to bribe officials just to get a business going....

Oh please, this country has had a mix of socialism and capitalism for decades, like the rest of the world, I don't want to go back to the early 20th century, before the new deal.

 

[2aguy]

Fascism is where businesses are technically in private hands, but they are government controlled. That is one step away from full socialism and always leads there

Idiiot, your idea of non-regulated market place is far worse. There's nothing wrong with investing in r&d and infrastructure for the public good.

Stupid fuck.

There's everything wrong with it. Seldom is government "investment" for the public good. More often then not it's for the benefit of crony capitalists.

Err, government investment in domestic issues actually does help the public, and calling all capitalists who don't agree with you crony is childish.

government investment in domestic issues actually does help the public,

Until the people become so dependent on it they stop wanting to work...and then the money runs out...and the real socialists take over...and the mass graves get dug.....

Your posts are an example of why we need afforable college.

Allow me to translate...I minored in "socialist though"t in college.....

I am loosing the argument...I can't bully these guys and they can counter all of my arguments with the truth and reality...so .....I better insult him.......

Translation over.......

 

[2aguy]

Those are all socialist smears and only the gullible believe them.

Look at what corporations like Apple or many others are doing in China. Corporations need to be regulated or they will do exactly what I just said.

You're a native fool that is blind to reality if you can't accept what is right in front of your face.

Who do you think is letting APPLE do that in china.........the greedy, corrupt politicians who got paid off by apple......and yet those are your heroes...the guys you want to send more of your tax money to here in this country....how do you explain that concept?

Paying off corrupt politicians is the free market at work.
Why do you think that's a bad thing?

No...that is a socialist thing...because the government has the power to make or break your business with it's arbitrary power....if politicians didn't have that power, and only acted as police.....there would be no reason to bribe officials.....in a place with socialism....you have to bribe officials just to get a business going....

Oh please, this country has had a mix of socialism and capitalism for decades, like the rest of the world, I don't want to go back to the early 20th century, before the new deal.

Hmmmm...and we are now 18 trillion dollars in debt, 94 million people are not in the job market, social security, medicare and all the other social welfare problems are out of money....

Yeah..you are right.....we have become infected with socialism....

 

[David_42]

Idiiot, your idea of non-regulated market place is far worse. There's nothing wrong with investing in r&d and infrastructure for the public good.

Stupid fuck.

There's everything wrong with it. Seldom is government "investment" for the public good. More often then not it's for the benefit of crony capitalists.

Err, government investment in domestic issues actually does help the public, and calling all capitalists who don't agree with you crony is childish.

government investment in domestic issues actually does help the public,

Until the people become so dependent on it they stop wanting to work...and then the money runs out...and the real socialists take over...and the mass graves get dug.....

Your posts are an example of why we need afforable college.

Allow me to translate...I minored in "socialist though"t in college.....

I am loosing the argument...I can't bully these guys and they can counter all of my arguments with the truth and reality...so .....I better insult him.......

Translation over.......

What? Your posts are consistently relying on claiming that socialism will bring mass graves when europe has had socialists for decades and they're doing nothing close to that. I don't think you can "minor" in socialist thought, I'm a social democrat, capitalism/socialism are both failures if left unchecked.

 

[David_42]

Look at what corporations like Apple or many others are doing in China. Corporations need to be regulated or they will do exactly what I just said.

You're a native fool that is blind to reality if you can't accept what is right in front of your face.

Who do you think is letting APPLE do that in china.........the greedy, corrupt politicians who got paid off by apple......and yet those are your heroes...the guys you want to send more of your tax money to here in this country....how do you explain that concept?

Paying off corrupt politicians is the free market at work.
Why do you think that's a bad thing?

No...that is a socialist thing...because the government has the power to make or break your business with it's arbitrary power....if politicians didn't have that power, and only acted as police.....there would be no reason to bribe officials.....in a place with socialism....you have to bribe officials just to get a business going....

Oh please, this country has had a mix of socialism and capitalism for decades, like the rest of the world, I don't want to go back to the early 20th century, before the new deal.

Hmmmm...and we are now 18 trillion dollars in debt, 94 million people are not in the job market, social security, medicare and all the other social welfare problems are out of money....

Yeah..you are right.....

Reagan tripled the national debt, bush invaded the wrong country, we waste money on defense, obama was handed a disaster.. Clinton outsourced jobs. 94 million people? If you don't count part time workers, but whose fault is that? Oh, the capitalists. They aren't "running out" we just don't want to fund them or modify them.