This time they should shut it down.

[Care4all]

There's nothing major at risk here. Shut it down.

Democrats Revolt Against Wall Street Giveaway In Deal To Prevent Government Shutdown

Irony of ironies...lib Dems tell Obabble to go fuck himself. Remember all the bs from a year ago about hostage taking? Now the foo is on the other shit....fucking hilarious.

is it a bad bill in your opinion? Or is it a good bill in your opinion?

When a bill pisses off both the right and the left that's usually a good thing.

what's usually a good thing? the bill? the pissing off?

 

[francoHFW]

This is a sign that our country is collapsing. Both extremes control both parties and have no sense at all.

Idiots all.

What is there to be lost if the government is shut down?

1%+ growth and 30 billion...duh. AGAIN!

Reference?

• S&P: The Shutdown Took $24 Billion Out Of The US Economy
  www.businessinsider.com/sp-cuts-us-growth-view-2013-...
  Business Insider
  
  Oct 16, 2013 - The S&P has cut the annualized U.S. growth view closer to 2% from 3%, Bloomberg is reporting. The ratings agency — which recognizes the ...

• [PDF]The FY2014 Government Shutdown: Economic Effects
  fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R43292.pdf
  Federation of American Scientists
  by M Labonte - ‎2013
  Nov 1, 2013 - September 30 had a shutdown not occurred, some spending would be delayed, but ... reasons, the shutdown will have no effect on the more frequently cited job growth figure, but will .... inconvenience costs associated with the unavailability of ..... For context, 1% of GDP is equivalent to about $170 billion.

• Adding up the billions wasted by the House Republicans
  www.dailykos.com/.../-Adding-up-the-billions-wasted-by-the-...
  Daily Kos
  
  Sep 1, 2014 - From October 1 through 16, 2013, the Federal Government entered ashutdown and curtailed ... total of $24 billion out of the U.S. economy, and shaved 0.6% off fourth-quarter GDP growth. ... This totals more than 30 billion in rejected funds. .... Glad to see mention of the 25 billion price tag on the shutdown.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

SwimExpert

First you wrote in post #1:

There's nothing major at risk here. Shut it down.

Then, in post #39 you wrote:

Does anyone know what would actually be "shut down" if this bill doesn't pass?

So, which is it?

Who gets hurt with the Repub temper tantrum this time? If you happen to have access to the InterWebs, go read up on their last two tantrums cost us.

 

[SwimExpert]

This is a sign that our country is collapsing. Both extremes control both parties and have no sense at all.

Idiots all.

What is there to be lost if the government is shut down?

1%+ growth and 30 billion...duh. AGAIN!

Reference?

• S&P: The Shutdown Took $24 Billion Out Of The US Economy
  www.businessinsider.com/sp-cuts-us-growth-view-2013-...
  Business Insider
  
  Oct 16, 2013 - The S&P has cut the annualized U.S. growth view closer to 2% from 3%, Bloomberg is reporting. The ratings agency — which recognizes the ...

• [PDF]The FY2014 Government Shutdown: Economic Effects
  fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R43292.pdf
  Federation of American Scientists
  by M Labonte - ‎2013
  Nov 1, 2013 - September 30 had a shutdown not occurred, some spending would be delayed, but ... reasons, the shutdown will have no effect on the more frequently cited job growth figure, but will .... inconvenience costs associated with the unavailability of ..... For context, 1% of GDP is equivalent to about $170 billion.

• Adding up the billions wasted by the House Republicans
  www.dailykos.com/.../-Adding-up-the-billions-wasted-by-the-...
  Daily Kos
  
  Sep 1, 2014 - From October 1 through 16, 2013, the Federal Government entered ashutdown and curtailed ... total of $24 billion out of the U.S. economy, and shaved 0.6% off fourth-quarter GDP growth. ... This totals more than 30 billion in rejected funds. .... Glad to see mention of the 25 billion price tag on the shutdown.

Nobody is talking about the past. I'm asking about the future.

 

[SwimExpert]

First you wrote in post #1:

There's nothing major at risk here. Shut it down.

Then, in post #39 you wrote:

Does anyone know what would actually be "shut down" if this bill doesn't pass?

So, which is it?

You don't know? That's what I'm trying to figure out, whether anyone actually knows what will and will not be "shut down" if this bill fails in the Senate. I don't think most people do. It seems that "government shutdown" has become just another panic term, along with communism and global warming.

 

[peach174]

If this does not pass the Senate and there in fact is a government shutdown which I don't think will happen but if it does there will be no way to blame anyone but the Democrats.

Oh yes they will and they have the mainstream media that will help them to spread it.

 

[blackhawk]

There's nothing major at risk here. Shut it down.

Democrats Revolt Against Wall Street Giveaway In Deal To Prevent Government Shutdown

Irony of ironies...lib Dems tell Obabble to go fuck himself. Remember all the bs from a year ago about hostage taking? Now the foo is on the other shit....fucking hilarious.

is it a bad bill in your opinion? Or is it a good bill in your opinion?

When a bill pisses off both the right and the left that's usually a good thing.

what's usually a good thing? the bill? the pissing off?

Both if you have people on both sides pissed it generally means there was actual working together and some compromise instead of one side or the other saying it's my way or no way.

 

[Care4all]

is this really something good that any of us should hang our hats on?

The swap provision she references would allow Wall Street banks to trade risky financial derivatives from subsidiaries that are insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. -- potentially putting taxpayers on the hook for losses. Big banks traded derivatives from these FDIC-backed units in the years leading up to the 2008 crash, but the 2010 Dodd-Frank financial reform law required them to move many of the transactions to other subsidiaries that are not insured by taxpayers. Banks receive higher credit ratings for derivatives they sell from taxpayer-backed units, which in turn makes the derivatives more profitable.

Be honest, please.

 

[francoHFW]

Does anyone know what would actually be "shut down" if this bill doesn't pass?

The bill passed, no sense speculating!

GOOD for the country and good, COMPROMISING, gov't. We have the Consumer Protection Agency to watch those a-hole Pub crony real estaters...but you have heard of the Senate, right? They will pass it though. Lots of adults there- although fewer in January. But it DOES look the "no compromise, un-American TP GOP" (TIME) insanity is over for a while, and hopefully forever.

Still time for Cruz/Palin 2016! though, hater dupes. lol

 

[blackhawk]

If this does not pass the Senate and there in fact is a government shutdown which I don't think will happen but if it does there will be no way to blame anyone but the Democrats.

Oh yes they will and they have the mainstream media that will help them to spread it.

They won't have much luck convincing anyone but the far left that a bill passed by the Republican House that failed to pass in the Democrat controlled Senate is the fault of the Republicans.

 

[Care4all]

It's a real shame when all that matters to us is whether our side doesn't get the blame and the other side does....

while not even debating the actual content of this bill that will hurt us ALL.

Boy, are we all fools....

 

[peach174]

First you wrote in post #1:

There's nothing major at risk here. Shut it down.

Then, in post #39 you wrote:

Does anyone know what would actually be "shut down" if this bill doesn't pass?

So, which is it?

You don't know? That's what I'm trying to figure out, whether anyone actually knows what will and will not be "shut down" if this bill fails in the Senate. I don't think most people do. It seems that "government shutdown" has become just another panic term, along with communism and global warming.

is this really something good that any of us should hang our hats on?

The swap provision she references would allow Wall Street banks to trade risky financial derivatives from subsidiaries that are insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. -- potentially putting taxpayers on the hook for losses. Big banks traded derivatives from these FDIC-backed units in the years leading up to the 2008 crash, but the 2010 Dodd-Frank financial reform law required them to move many of the transactions to other subsidiaries that are not insured by taxpayers. Banks receive higher credit ratings for derivatives they sell from taxpayer-backed units, which in turn makes the derivatives more profitable.

Be honest, please.

What was bad is that it did not include Fannie and Freddie.There are exempt from the bill

 

[Vigilante]

Does anyone know what would actually be "shut down" if this bill doesn't pass?

The bill passed, no sense speculating!

GOOD for the country and good, COMPROMISING, gov't. We have the Consumer Protection Agency to watch those a-hole Pub crony real estaters...but you have heard of the Senate, right? They will pass it though. Lots of adults there- although fewer in January. But it DOES look the "no compromise, un-American TP GOP" (TIME) insanity is over for a while, and hopefully forever.

Still time for Cruz/Palin 2016! though, hater dupes. lol

Yes, we will still vote American....

 

[peach174]

If this does not pass the Senate and there in fact is a government shutdown which I don't think will happen but if it does there will be no way to blame anyone but the Democrats.

Oh yes they will and they have the mainstream media that will help them to spread it.

They won't have much luck convincing anyone but the far left that a bill passed by the Republican House that failed to pass in the Democrat controlled Senate is the fault of the Republicans.

Sure they will it's the Republicans who added in the Dodd Frank bill. Dingbat Pelosi say's it's blackmail.

 

[Care4all]

First you wrote in post #1:

There's nothing major at risk here. Shut it down.

Then, in post #39 you wrote:

Does anyone know what would actually be "shut down" if this bill doesn't pass?

So, which is it?

You don't know? That's what I'm trying to figure out, whether anyone actually knows what will and will not be "shut down" if this bill fails in the Senate. I don't think most people do. It seems that "government shutdown" has become just another panic term, along with communism and global warming.

is this really something good that any of us should hang our hats on?

The swap provision she references would allow Wall Street banks to trade risky financial derivatives from subsidiaries that are insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. -- potentially putting taxpayers on the hook for losses. Big banks traded derivatives from these FDIC-backed units in the years leading up to the 2008 crash, but the 2010 Dodd-Frank financial reform law required them to move many of the transactions to other subsidiaries that are not insured by taxpayers. Banks receive higher credit ratings for derivatives they sell from taxpayer-backed units, which in turn makes the derivatives more profitable.

Be honest, please.

What was bad is that it did not include Fannie and Freddie.There are exempt from the bill

do you really want to BAIL OUT these people again? TRULY, do you really want to do that?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Liz Warren is on the warpath!

 

[Care4all]

do you think us tax payers should really be responsible for bailing wall street out for taking risks they should have and would have never taken if it were not for the fact that they know us tax payers will be responsible for their losses and mistakes?

seriously!

 

[blackhawk]

If this does not pass the Senate and there in fact is a government shutdown which I don't think will happen but if it does there will be no way to blame anyone but the Democrats.

Oh yes they will and they have the mainstream media that will help them to spread it.

They won't have much luck convincing anyone but the far left that a bill passed by the Republican House that failed to pass in the Democrat controlled Senate is the fault of the Republicans.

Sure they will it's the Republicans who added in the Dodd Frank bill. Dingbat Pelosi say's it's blackmail.

Hmm well Pelosi and other Democrats have told us elections have consequences and they also told us shutting down the government because you don't get your way is the actions of hostage takers and terrorist. Something everyone on the right will be more than happy to remind everyone in the media.

 

[peach174]

First you wrote in post #1:

There's nothing major at risk here. Shut it down.

Then, in post #39 you wrote:

Does anyone know what would actually be "shut down" if this bill doesn't pass?

So, which is it?

You don't know? That's what I'm trying to figure out, whether anyone actually knows what will and will not be "shut down" if this bill fails in the Senate. I don't think most people do. It seems that "government shutdown" has become just another panic term, along with communism and global warming.

is this really something good that any of us should hang our hats on?

The swap provision she references would allow Wall Street banks to trade risky financial derivatives from subsidiaries that are insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. -- potentially putting taxpayers on the hook for losses. Big banks traded derivatives from these FDIC-backed units in the years leading up to the 2008 crash, but the 2010 Dodd-Frank financial reform law required them to move many of the transactions to other subsidiaries that are not insured by taxpayers. Banks receive higher credit ratings for derivatives they sell from taxpayer-backed units, which in turn makes the derivatives more profitable.

Be honest, please.

What was bad is that it did not include Fannie and Freddie.There are exempt from the bill

do you really want to BAIL OUT these people again? TRULY, do you really want to do that?

We still would have to bail out with Fannie and Freddie.
A new bill that works, ,that includes Fannie and Freddie and does not harm the smaller banks is what we need.

 

[peach174]

do you think us tax payers should really be responsible for bailing wall street out for taking risks they should have and would have never taken if it were not for the fact that they know us tax payers will be responsible for their losses and mistakes?

seriously!

The Republicans have their own bill.