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I thought the tree of knowledge gave A & E the understanding of right and wrong? If that is true, I'm being punished for something someone else did but didn't understand that what they were doing was wrong. Seems unjust and unloving to me.He's exactly right. If you believe the Bible, the world God created, was GOOD. If GOD wasn't involved, or can't be trusted, He lied and created the nightmare world we live in today
We are punished for our own transgression and not for someone else's including Adam and Eve. We all have our free moral agency to choose good or evil. Sure, Adam and Eve were the first to transgress the law. But, they did not have full knowledge, or any knowledge what it meant to die. But, for Adam and Eve to keep the law to multiply the earth with humans, they had to partake of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. So, my question is did Adam and Eve actually commit a sin or transgression by keeping the law of multiplication of the human being? What they did do is cause knowledge to be available about good and evil by partaking the fruit. From that point on, the people either formed a good life or one with chaos and sin, not God. God provided for this opportunity to test our "faith" in Him with a perfect world for this test.I thought the tree of knowledge gave A & E the understanding of right and wrong? If that is true, I'm being punished for something someone else did but didn't understand that what they were doing was wrong. Seems unjust and unloving to me.
The Tree of Knowledge gave Adam and Eve the knowledge of both good and evil. The account starts out with noting that all God made was good. It was like Adam and Eve said, "All this good is nice and all--but we want to know evil, too." In Orthodox Judaism, the story continues with God agreeing to their decision, and the Tree was planted. In this Orthodox version, Adam and Eve were told not to eat the fruit because the fruit wasn't yet ready. In remembrance of this, some Orthodox do not eat fruit off trees is not eaten until the second year it produces.I thought the tree of knowledge gave A & E the understanding of right and wrong? If that is true, I'm being punished for something someone else did but didn't understand that what they were doing was wrong. Seems unjust and unloving to me.
You are being "punished" in this life for the same reason Adam and Eve were.I thought the tree of knowledge gave A & E the understanding of right and wrong? If that is true, I'm being punished for something someone else did but didn't understand that what they were doing was wrong. Seems unjust and unloving to me.
lg325; you are spot on here with your post. Unfortunately faith in the Divine, & human rebellion mix about as good as oil & water. Many(?) of the public school educated city kids of today appear to end up as tomorrows homeless & sometimes violent street kids. Maybe many of the kids in private(non g'ment) schools also end up as street fodder but I do not have info to verify this one way or the other. I do know for a fact that kids raised in a more country &/or farming community are VASTLY different from their city counterparts.Mankind created the world we live in today. God will not force us to be good but like a good father, God teaches us what we need to know. Rebelling against those teachings is what gets us into the mess the world is in today.
I'm guessing this is from the Talmud? Interesting, and a good example of how people seem to need to interpret the Bible and write their own scripture as to what God really meant.The Tree of Knowledge gave Adam and Eve the knowledge of both good and evil. The account starts out with noting that all God made was good. It was like Adam and Eve said, "All this good is nice and all--but we want to know evil, too." In Orthodox Judaism, the story continues with God agreeing to their decision, and the Tree was planted. In this Orthodox version, Adam and Eve were told not to eat the fruit because the fruit wasn't yet ready. In remembrance of this, some Orthodox do not eat fruit off trees is not eaten until the second year it produces.
The consequences of partaking that which was not quite ready to be consumed began to be felt. God basically explained, This throws things off and here is what we face in the meantime--but I am not throwing in the towel. I am sticking with human desire to know both good and evil. I will bring things back around.
Some believe God accomplishes things in the time it takes to snap one's fingers. I believe it is more likely that God takes time with all of His creations.
The question to ask is, How many of us would choose to know only good that exists and to be shielded from knowing about any evil?
God knows evil exists--and He also knows how to make good come from it. How many humans think having this knowledge would be a plus?
I don't remember--So many different sources. I wouldn't be surprised if someone knows of a source even earlier than Judaism made this point, and Orthodox Jews picked up on it.I'm guessing this is from the Talmud? Interesting, and a good example of how people seem to need to interpret the Bible and write their own scripture as to what God really meant.
The great thing about the Bible, you can find a justification in it for anything. Do you love your enemies or is it an eye for an eye?As far as what God "really meant": I find it interesting that so many humans believe God could have only meant one thing. If humans can come up with several different meanings, isn't it possible God meant them all? Humans seem to want to lock themselves into binary thinking...choose one thing and one thing only! Why? Should we be limiting God to one thing? We might want to remember we can't limit God as He is limitless.
Eye for an Eye is in the old testament the new testament did away with that. There is a lot to learn from the old testament but what you read in it is a history of incidents leading up to the birth of Jesus Christ. Others may explain it better than me. I could use the brush-up course on scripture study.The great thing about the Bible, you can find a justification in it for anything. Do you love your enemies or is it an eye for an eye?
Justice is a good place to begin. "An eye for an eye" continues with "a tooth for a tooth". I am not sure it was even meant to be taken literally. The lesson is, if someone knocks out a tooth, justice is not taking someone's eye. Let the restitution fit the situation, not surpass it. In today's world, how many file frivolous lawsuits over something relatively minor, essentially asking for an eye in return for a tooth?The great thing about the Bible, you can find a justification in it for anything. Do you love your enemies or is it an eye for an eye?
So the moral code of God has changed? Will it change again in the future and what is bad today will be good then?Eye for an Eye is in the old testament the new testament did away with that. There is a lot to learn from the old testament but what you read in it is a history of incidents leading up to the birth of Jesus Christ. Others may explain it better than me. I could use the brush-up course on scripture study.
As you said, their are many interpretations of scripture, I didn't realize we can just pick the ones we like and ignore those we don't. Explains a lot about the history of Christianity.Justice is a good place to begin. "An eye for an eye" continues with "a tooth for a tooth". I am not sure it was even meant to be taken literally. The lesson is, if someone knocks out a tooth, justice is not taking someone's eye. Let the restitution fit the situation, not surpass it. In today's world, how many file frivolous lawsuits over something relatively minor, essentially asking for an eye in return for a tooth?
"Love your enemies." Biblical language is helpful here. An enemy is someone you hate, someone you are jealous of, someone who you envy. The instruction is turn away from your own hate, jealousy, envy, etc. and learn to love instead. What if it is someone who is jealous, envious, and hateful towards you? Do good to them.
So much of the time the Bible is talking about every day, interpersonal relations. And too often our thought of an 'enemy' is only those who want to rob us, take what we have, even kill us. Therefore, an immediate response is, "I have no enemies." And, as we have no wish to rob, pillage, and plunder anyone, we think we have no enemies.
Once we turn our minds to pettiness that arises in everyday relationships, "Love your enemies, and do good to those who hate you," makes a great deal of good sense.
There is no reason to ignore anything. All should be studied (not simply read). What is it you wish to ignore?As you said, their are many interpretations of scripture, I didn't realize we can just pick the ones we like and ignore those we don't.
I ignore none of it but I certainly don't accept all of it. You really should ask lg325 that question since he, like many Christians, feels the OT is no longer valid.There is no reason to ignore anything. All should be studied (not simply read). What is it you wish to ignore?
It must suck to be you.I thought the tree of knowledge gave A & E the understanding of right and wrong? If that is true, I'm being punished for something someone else did but didn't understand that what they were doing was wrong. Seems unjust and unloving to me.
Could be worse, I could be you.It must suck to be you.
