Tim Apple. Oranges. German Dad. Mental Health Experts Warn That Trump Is In Decline.

Translation: By Any Means necessary means ethics don't matter.
No, that's your thought, not mine. Grow up.

"My corruption"

That makes no sense. Try to focus. Avail us of your expertise in this field, and argue against their points.
 
Ethical health care professionals do not diagnose people they have not personally examined.
They do when they feel as though the duty to warn takes ethical precedence. And they arent technically diagnosing him anyway, but merely warning people that he is exhibiting the symptoms of some clinical, mental illnesses.

Maybe you would like to use your expertise in this field to argue against their points.
Expertise? Anything even comes close to 'expertise', would also come along with tests being run, and
a an actual sit down and questions being asked to Trump directly.
Not some left wing buffoon getting 10 minutes of fame blathering just like the rest of
you left wing loons.
 
Victor Davis Hanson, one of the best commentators in America today, has an excellent piece of the myriad and ultimately futile attempts to destroy Trump:

Right after the 2016 election, Green Party candidate Jill Stein—cheered on by Hillary Clinton dead-enders—sued in three states to recount votes and thereby overturn Donald Trump’s victory in the Electoral College. Before the quixotic effort imploded, Stein was praised as an iconic progressive social justice warrior who might stop the hated Trump from even entering the White House.

When that did not work, B-list Hollywood celebrities mobilized, with television and radio commercials, to shame electors in Trump-won states into not voting for the president-elect during the official Electoral College balloting in December 2016. Their idea was that select morally superior electors should reject their constitutional directives and throw the election into the House of Representatives where even more morally superior NeverTrump Republicans might join with even much more morally superior Democrats to find the perfect morally superior NeverTrump alternative.....


All the Progressive Plotters
Deaperate red herring.

Man, you cultists REALLY dont want to address the psychogists' well argued points head on. I can understand why.
 
Anything even comes close to 'expertise', would also come along with tests being run
Oh really? Which tests are those? Be specific. Tell us which tests are necessary to recognize the listed symptoms. Be specific. We are truly blessed to have an expert like you here.

And no, your opinion of me does not argue your points, professor.
 
Trump Schmump. who gives a fuck?

brothers and sisters: LIBERTARIANISM is the only way we're gonna survive, otherwise we'll just club each other to death!
 
Ethical health care professionals do not diagnose people they have not personally examined.
They do when they feel as though the duty to warn takes ethical precedence. And they arent technically diagnosing him anyway, but merely warning people that he is exhibiting the symptoms of some clinical, mental illnesses.

Maybe you would like to use your expertise in this field to argue against their points.


Translation: By Any Means necessary means ethics don't matter.

That may fool morally bankrupt Progs, but Normal People see your corruption.
The natural solution to this is find some "conservative psychologists" to give their own diagnosis.
The core rule of science is to keep personal opinions from affecting the work, including medical science, and especially behavioral science.
 
Anything even comes close to 'expertise', would also come along with tests being run
Oh really? Which tests are those? Be specific. Tell us which tests are necessary to recognize the listed symptoms. Be specific. We are truly blessed to have an expert like you here.

And no, your opinion of me does not argue your points, professor.
Don't be an ignorant dolt.

There is no single diagnostic test that can determine if a person has Alzheimer’s disease. Physicians (often with the help of specialists such as neurologists, neuropsychologists, geriatricians and geriatric psychiatrists) use a variety of approaches and tools to help make a diagnosis. Although physicians can almost always determine if a person has dementia, it may be difficult to identify the exact cause.


Medical Tests
 
The way he commonly and randomly outbursts in fits of cussing I'd say he has a touch of the Assburger's too, aka Aspergers Syndrome.

Trump got Assburgers from eating all those Big Macs from MacDonalds.
 
Translation: By Any Means necessary means ethics don't matter.
No, that's your thought, not mine. Grow up.

"My corruption"

That makes no sense. Try to focus. Avail us of your expertise in this field, and argue against their points.


Try learning something about ethics for mental health care professionals, and then get back to us.
 
Anything even comes close to 'expertise', would also come along with tests being run
Oh really? Which tests are those? Be specific. Tell us which tests are necessary to recognize the listed symptoms. Be specific. We are truly blessed to have an expert like you here.

And no, your opinion of me does not argue your points, professor.


The APA refutes your armchair psychology terrorism.

APA Calls for End to 'Armchair' Psychiatry

WASHINGTON, D.C. — Today, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) reiterates its continued and unwavering commitment to the ethical principle known as "The Goldwater Rule." We at the APA call for an end to psychiatrists providing professional opinions in the media about public figures whom they have not examined, whether it be on cable news appearances, books, or in social media. Armchair psychiatry or the use of psychiatry as a political tool is the misuse of psychiatry and is unacceptable and unethical.

The ethical principle, in place since 1973, guides physician members of the APA to refrain from publicly issuing professional medical opinions about individuals that they have not personally evaluated in a professional setting or context. Doing otherwise undermines the credibility and integrity of the profession and the physician-patient relationship. Although APA's ethical guidelines can only be enforced against APA members, we urge all psychiatrists, regardless of membership, to abide by this guidance in respect of our patients and our profession.

A proper psychiatric evaluation requires more than a review of television appearances, tweets, and public comments. Psychiatrists are medical doctors; evaluating mental illness is no less thorough than diagnosing diabetes or heart disease. The standards in our profession require review of medical and psychiatric history and records and a complete examination of mental status. Often collateral information from family members or individuals who know the person well is included, with permission from the patient.

"The Goldwater Rule embodies these concepts and makes it unethical for a psychiatrist to render a professional opinion to the media about a public figure unless the psychiatrist has examined the person and has proper authorization to provide the statement," said APA CEO and Medical Director Saul Levin, M.D., M.P.A. "APA stands behind this rule."

The President is about to undergo his annual physical examination, and APA has confidence that his physician will follow the standard of care in examining all systems, which includes an age-appropriate medical and mental health evaluation. If mental health concerns are raised, the standard of care would result in the examining physician seeking consultation from an experienced psychiatrist who would approach the consultation with objectivity and within the physician-patient confidential relationship.

APA is ready to make recommendations from among our 37,000 psychiatrist members, physicians who have the knowledge, training, expertise, discretion, and objectivity to perform a thorough and apolitical evaluation. Using psychiatry for political or self-aggrandizing purposes is stigmatizing for our patients and negatively impacts our profession.

For further information on the Goldwater Rule, go here.

APA Calls for End to 'Armchair' Psychiatry
 
Ethical health care professionals do not diagnose people they have not personally examined.
They do when they feel as though the duty to warn takes ethical precedence. And they arent technically diagnosing him anyway, but merely warning people that he is exhibiting the symptoms of some clinical, mental illnesses.

Maybe you would like to use your expertise in this field to argue against their points.


Translation: By Any Means necessary means ethics don't matter.

That may fool morally bankrupt Progs, but Normal People see your corruption.
The natural solution to this is find some "conservative psychologists" to give their own diagnosis.
The core rule of science is to keep personal opinions from affecting the work, including medical science, and especially behavioral science.


No, it's not. The proper solution is to not diagnose people when one is not their health care professional.
 
My point...which should be OBVIOUS to anyone who's not a political hack...is that everyone who speaks publicly long enough will make some faux pas...even someone like Barry who's major talent was reading from a teleprompter!
 
Ethical health care professionals do not diagnose people they have not personally examined.
They do when they feel as though the duty to warn takes ethical precedence. And they arent technically diagnosing him anyway, but merely warning people that he is exhibiting the symptoms of some clinical, mental illnesses.

Maybe you would like to use your expertise in this field to argue against their points.


Translation: By Any Means necessary means ethics don't matter.

That may fool morally bankrupt Progs, but Normal People see your corruption.
The natural solution to this is find some "conservative psychologists" to give their own diagnosis.
The core rule of science is to keep personal opinions from affecting the work, including medical science, and especially behavioral science.


No, it's not. The proper solution is to not diagnose people when one is not their health care professional.

non-professionals can see that one, its so obvious.
 
'“The ‘Tim Apple’ episode a few weeks ago, his calling Venezuela a company, and then yesterday, confusing his grandfather’s birthplace with his father’s, mispronouncing ‘oranges’ for ‘origins,’ and stating out of the blue, ‘I’m very normal,’” recited Bandy Lee, a professor of psychiatry at Yale University who has been waving red flags about Trump’s mental state for years. “There is no question he needs an examination.”

“I think he’s suffering from pre-dementia. And it’s only getting worse,” said John Gartner, a clinical psychologist with practices in New York City and Baltimore.

Both acknowledged that they have not given Trump a full examination and could not offer a definitive diagnosis, but Gartner noted that the president’s behaviors are on full view every single day. “The evidence is right in front of our eyes,” he said.

Lee and Gartner are among the relatively few mental health professionals speaking out about Trump’s condition because of guidelines against speculating about patients a doctor has not personally examined. Both said those standards should not apply in situations where the safety of the nation is at stake and the president’s behavior is on public display.

White House spokesman Hogan Gidley denied that Trump had any cognitive difficulties and said that those who actually work with Trump “see his total command of complex issues” on a daily basis. “These ‘doctors’ are disgusting, and they should be ashamed of themselves for trying to use their titles to push their own personal political views.”

Speaking in the Oval Office Tuesday, Trump said that his father was “born in a very wonderful place in Germany.” In fact, his father was born in the Bronx. It was his paternal grandfather who emigrated from Germany. The president also said repeatedly that he wanted to take a look at the “oranges” of the special counsel investigation against him, when he clearly meant “origins.”

Last month, Trump called Apple CEO Tim Cook “Tim Apple” ― but later claimed that he had, in fact, said “Tim Cook Apple,” but people missed “Cook” because he’d said it very rapidly, and finally claimed that he was trying to save time by skipping some words.

“That was real cognitive slippage,” Gartner said. “And then he tried to cover for it.”

The White House this year did not make available the doctor who performed Trump’s annual physical exam and released scant information about its results.

In contrast, last year Trump authorized physician Ronny Jackson to field questions about his health for nearly a full hour. The president himself bragged about his performance on the Montreal Cognitive Assessment, a screening tool for Alzheimer’s disease that asks the patient, for instance, to identify a camel and to draw a clock.

“There aren’t a lot of people that can do that,” Trump said days later, boasting of his 30-out-of-30 score to a Republican National Committee audience.

That test, though, was never designed to be an in-depth analysis of cognitive function, Lee and other experts said. “Ronny Jackson declared his boss and commander-in-chief ‘fit for duty’ based on a 10-minute cognitive screen on which full-blown Alzheimer patients and hospitalized schizophrenia patients are known to score in the normal range,” she said.


Large numbers of Americans who are not mental health professionals have also started to question Trump’s mental condition, including prominent critics like George Conway, the husband of top White House aide Kellyanne Conway. They’ve noted both the president’s actions and his televised speeches and public remarks, in which he is frequently incoherent and goes off on long, unrelated tangents.

On Tuesday night, during his speech at the National Republican Congressional Committee spring dinner, Trump, who was then in the middle of 90 minutes of rambling remarks, veered off on a two-minute, 22-second detour that touched on how wind turbines kill bald eagles and other birds, moved on to how North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un was not ready for a deal, came back to how people who use wind power can’t watch television if the wind doesn’t blow, and finished with former President Barack Obama playing golf in Hawaii:


Hillary wanted to put up wind. Wind. If you ― if you have a windmill anywhere near your house, congratulations: Your house just went down 75 percent in value. And they say the noise causes cancer. You tell me that one, OK? “Rrrrr, rrrrr” ― you know the thing that makes the ― it’s so noisy. And of course it’s like a graveyard for birds. If you love birds, you’d never want to walk under a windmill because it’s a very sad, sad sight. It’s like a cemetery. We put a little, we put a little statute for the poor birds. It’s true. You know in California, if you shoot a bald eagle, they put you in jail for five years. And yet the windmills wipe ’em all out. It’s true. They wipe ’em out. It’s terrible. And I told the other day at CPAC. Great people at CPAC. We had an incredible thing. I had nothing to do. It was early on a Saturday morning. I had just gotten back from dealing with Kim Jong Un. We had a walk. He wasn’t ready for a deal but that’s OK because we get along great. He wasn’t ready. I told him, you’re not ready for a deal. That’s the first time anybody has ever told him that and left. It never happened to him before. Nobody’s ever left. But I said you’re not ready for a deal, but we’ll make a deal. We have a good relationship. We have a good relationship. But I told a story about, at CPAC. The woman, she wants to watch television. And she says to her husband, “Is the wind blowing? I’d love to watch a show tonight, darling. The wind hasn’t blown for three days. I can’t watch television, darling. Darling, please tell the wind to blow.” No, wind’s not so good. And you know, you have no idea how expensive it is to make those things. They’re all made in China and Germany, but the way, just in case you’re ― we don’t make ’em here, essentially. We don’t make ’em here. And by the way, the carbon, and all those things flying up in the air, you know the carbon footprint? President Obama used to talk about the carbon footprint, and then he’d hop on Air Force One, a big 747 with very old engines, and he’d fly to Hawaii to play a round of golf. You tell me, the carbon footprint.



“He has been growing less and less coherent,” Lee said, pointing to Trump’s appearance a month ago at the Conservative Political Action Conference, which Trump referenced on Tuesday night. “His two-hour CPAC speech revealed a lot of rambling sentences, tangential thought trails, word-finding difficulties and repetition.”


That exhortation followed up on a string of Conway tweets listing the symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition.

Gartner, though, said Trump’s condition appears to be an even worse variant of that disorder and a condition that is common to dictators: malignant narcissism, whose traits include narcissism, paranoia, sociopathy ― exhibited by constant lying ― and sadism.

“He has been getting worse in the last few months,” Gartner said, adding that he agrees with Conway that earlier interviews show how far Trump’s decline has progressed. In the past, Gartner said, “he not only spoke in complete sentences, he spoke in complete paragraphs.”

Gartner pointed out that one of the symptoms of narcissism is repeated lying. “Donald Trump is the most documented liar in human history,” he said. “We observe his behavior every day.”

This story has been updated with comment from White House spokesman Hogan Gidley." data-reactid="36" style="margin-bottom: 1em;">This story has been updated with comment from White House spokesman Hogan Gidley.

  • This article originally appeared on HuffPost.'
Tim Apple. Oranges. German Dad. Mental Health Experts Warn That Trump Is In Decline.


The guy is clearly losing it.

Anyone who says he is showing no/hardly any signs of dementia either is delusional and/or does not know the symptoms of dementia.



I watched Alzheimers from beginning to end with 2 relatives.

I see the same behavior with trump.

He's right on schedule with the other 2 I watched. When they hit 70 the signs start to come out so blatantly that it's impossible to ignore it. By the time they're 75 they need to be in a facility for they own protection.

Alzheimers is a gene passed from one generation to the next. trump's father died of Alzheimers. The first born child always gets the gene. The second won't. The third might. If there's any break between births of children the next child born will usually have the gene.

There was nearly 3 years divide between trump and his next oldest sibling. Which means that trump most likely got the gene.

You can't out run your genes. You can't be cured of Alzheimers. It's an automatic death sentence but a drawn out and horrible death.

The brain is basically killed by the disease. Brain cells are supposed to stuff off when they die but with Alzheimers they don't. It creates scar tissue which creates more of the dead brain cells and more Alzheimers. They lose their sense of balance. They lose control of their body functions. They lose control of their thoughts. They see things that aren't there and believe things that aren't real. It's not just memory but the whole brain and it's functions. The brain controls all the functions of the body.

At the end of the disease they have horrible brain seizures. It's horrible to see. The whole body is racked with it and it goes on for weeks until they die.

I've watched trump since 2015. I believed then that he was in the beginnings of the middle stages. Alzheimers starts years before it shows. He holds that podium and I can see he does that to keep his balance at times. I see him getting off a plane with the car right there in front of him but he walks away from it and needs someone to guide him back to the car. I see him saying some of the most ridiculous things. These are stages of the disease. I've seen it before in two relatives. I'm seeing the same thing with trump.

The very sad thing about this is that his followers don't care. They could careless that he is in distress. All they care about is that he does what they want him to do. Not that he has a problem. Not that he needs help.

I saw the same behavior with Reagan. He also was in the throws of Alzheimers when he was president but it was covered up. Not very well though. Just after he left office it was announced he had Alzheimers. No one cared when he was president and no one cared when he wasn't president. The republicans just moved on to the next republican candidate.


I watched and took care of my mom that died 2 years ago from Alzheimer's, and what you are posting is bs.
She most certainly had no seizures, nor did she lose all control of body functions, unless maybe when she was in bed actually dying.
It is mean, and it is cruel for you people to try and throw this on Trump just because you can't stand him. Maybe he has it, and maybe not, but one thing for sure, we ALL are declining, and we ALL will die.
 
He thinks origins is oranges.



He’s fucking delirious. :cuckoo:

Origin man bad
 
I'm not a liar. Every word I posted is true. Which is why you have that upset response.

No I've not spent one minute of time with trump. I've watched him just as everyone else for the last 4 years. It's not hard to see if you have seen it before like I have.

I've posted about it since 2017 and received the same response from republicans as the one from you.

Denying it won't make it untrue or go away.


I never denied it, just that you couldnt know cause youve not spent anytime with him

and I'm not a repube and didnt vote for trump

what he is is a big government progressive that has trouble keeping his words straight due to his/their deceitful agenda


I never said I spent time with him. I clearly said from what I've observed of him from 2015.

I've seen the signs before. They're too obvious to someone who has seen them before.

You don't have to agree with me. I don't care if you do or not. I'm stating what I see and what I know. I know you don't want to believe it. No one wants to believe that. I certainly don't but the signs are just too obvious for me to ignore it.

From what I've seen of him he has that disease.

So you tell me, what are the reasons why he doesn't know where his dad was born? What are the reasons why he used the word oranges over and over when the word should have been origins? What is the reason for him having to clutch that podium to keep his balance? What is the reason for him to be walking down stairs from a plane with a car directly in front of him but he turns and goes a different direction and needs to be directed back to the car? What are the reasons for his scattered speech when he goes off script? Why isn't he able to give a speech with his thoughts being gathered and coherent? Why can't he speak without forgetting words? Why is he up in the middle of the night? Alzheimers patients don't sleep well. Like all body functions, the disease has destroyed the brain's ability to secrete melatonin and sleep. They stay awake for days then all of a sudden collapse asleep for days but that comes later in the disease. Right now at his age it's sporadic and considered to be insomnia but it's not. It's the Alzheimers.

You can deny things all you want but denying them isn't going to make it go away.

Me pointing out what is very obvious to me isn't a lie nor is it incorrect. It's my opinion from taking care of 2 Alzheimer patients in my life. From beginning to end.


key words being,,,"IN YOUR LIFE"


Yes. Have you taken care of any Alzheimers patients in your life?

I have. My grandmother and my mother.

I watched it first hand from beginning to end with both women.

My oldest sister has the gene and I will watch her go through it from beginning to end.

My oldest sister is a doctor. In fact, my family has several doctors, nurses and people who work in the heath care industry. We all were forced to learn about the disease because it was in our family. We now know it's a gene and the gene has been isolated. It's the APOE E gene. There are 4 of them. 1-4. If you have numbers 1&2 you will never get the disease. If you have number 3 you can get the disease or dementia. If you have number 4 you will get the disease. But there are 4 places for them so you need more than one of the number 4 genes to get the disease. If you have only 1 in the number 4 area, you have a slight chance to get it but most likely you won't. The first born child will always have that gene. If the children are born right after one another the second and third child will not have the gene. But if there's a couple years or more between births that gene will be in the next child born. trump's sister just before him was born in 1942. trump was born in 1946. So there's more than 3 years between births. Scientific fact dictates that trump has that gene and will get that disease.

I've researched and learned about the disease. Both from the medical side and the experience side. I know what it is and know what I'm talking about.
never said you didnt,,,just that you have never spent time with him and are going off of a few videos,,,

if you were a doctor you would be laughed out of the profession


I got that from more than a few videos. I got that from daily video of him for the last 4 years.

Why does he walk so slow and slightly bent forward? Alzheimers patients walk slow and bent forward. He will walk slower and more bent forward as time goes on.

You can try to argue with me all you want. It's not going to change anything.

I've asked you questions yet you refuse to answer. Which tells me you don't know much of anything about that disease. So you're not in a position to comment on it.

I do. I've taken care of 2 Alzheimers patients. I spent a lot of time in the 90s learning about it when my grandmother had it. I spent more time in the 2000s learning more about it. My mom had it. She died in 2015 from it. My grandmother died from it. I'm watching my sister now in the first of it showing, she's in her early 60s. It will get more and more obvious as time goes on. Just as it will with trump.

When he's out of office then the announcement will be made. Not before. Just like reagan.
 
Ethical health care professionals do not diagnose people they have not personally examined.
They do when they feel as though the duty to warn takes ethical precedence. And they arent technically diagnosing him anyway, but merely warning people that he is exhibiting the symptoms of some clinical, mental illnesses.

Maybe you would like to use your expertise in this field to argue against their points.


Translation: By Any Means necessary means ethics don't matter.

That may fool morally bankrupt Progs, but Normal People see your corruption.
The natural solution to this is find some "conservative psychologists" to give their own diagnosis.
The core rule of science is to keep personal opinions from affecting the work, including medical science, and especially behavioral science.


No, it's not. The proper solution is to not diagnose people when one is not their health care professional.

non-professionals can see that one, its so obvious.



Slurred speech is another sign.

The brain controls the body. When the brain has a problem, the rest of the body does too.
 
They do when they feel as though the duty to warn takes ethical precedence. And they arent technically diagnosing him anyway, but merely warning people that he is exhibiting the symptoms of some clinical, mental illnesses.

Maybe you would like to use your expertise in this field to argue against their points.


Translation: By Any Means necessary means ethics don't matter.

That may fool morally bankrupt Progs, but Normal People see your corruption.
The natural solution to this is find some "conservative psychologists" to give their own diagnosis.
The core rule of science is to keep personal opinions from affecting the work, including medical science, and especially behavioral science.


No, it's not. The proper solution is to not diagnose people when one is not their health care professional.

non-professionals can see that one, its so obvious.



Slurred speech is another sign.

The brain controls the body. When the brain has a problem, the rest of the body does too.


Did you learn this in 7th grade hygiene class?
 

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