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women are systematically oppressed in fundamental religions. i understand that a white christian religions zealot is incapable of seeing that.
i don't hate christians. you hate everyone who isn't christian. i just want y'all to leave the rest of us alone.
The hypocrisy is rich. Fundamentalist Christian women are not oppressed. Not more so than Orthodox Jewish women are. I thought you'd recognize that. Just because they might sit in different sections of the hall does not mean they can't be citizens with equal rights or that their religious responsibilities are limited. Thought you'd know that Ortho Jew women pretty much run the religious practice in the home. And that they are encouraged to study and learn..
There's "leftist" oppression -- and then there's clit removal, denial of education, subservience and approved spousal abuse.
That DOES occur among Christians and the more fundamentalist the faith, the more the woman is likely to be subservient. How often do you suppose verses like these are used to justify wife beating?
"To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you." Genesis 3:16
"Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior." Ephesians 5:22-23
11 Countries with the hightest rates of domestic violence:
Russia, Iraq, Pakistan, India, Somalia, Mali, Guatamalia, Sudan, Congo, Afghanistan and topping the list - Chad.
Progressive countries have laws against domestic abuse and ways to help women report it and get out of it and an overall culture that condemns it, regardless of religion. In any of the fundamentalist sects of Christianity, Judaism, Islam and Hinduism women are scriptually subordinate and the potential for abuse is much higher because of religious beliefs.
FGM also crosses religious boundaries because it's a cultural thing more than it's a religious thing. In those parts of the world where it is still practiced - it is practiced by all faiths as part of their culture.
And those verses matter HOW -- in the practice of Jewish/Christian life in the Western world? You think all those women on Christian Mingle or JewDate are just looking for abuse and domination? Those biblical passages do not HINDER in any way the power and independence of Western women. You think Golda Meir was "held back" by that Genesis quote?
You are missing the entire KEY to successful WESTERN religious practice.. And that is exactly what I just told you. That those 2 quotes are SUCCESSFULLY interpreted into the modern context of freedom and tolerance. And TODAY mean more about what happens WITHIN a family unit -- then they do about hobbling and hindering feminism. Nothing WRONG with the CHOICE of woman as head of house and family. OR of the religious practice that goes on AT HOME. Even IF -- the religious practice at the worship hall might have them sitting separately.
The point I was making is this - each of those religions scriptually places women on a lower order than men. That leaves open the door to abuse and abuse is much more likely to occur in fundamentalist sects where scripture is taken much more literally and women MORE likely to be isolated from the general community - that occurs in Islam, but also in Christianity and Judaism. Abuse is more likely to be hidden, shameful, and handled "within" the community rather than by law enforcement.
Now I agree with what you are saying with successful WESTERN religious practices by and large, but wife beating does go on, and it shouldn't be ignored in any religion or culture.
.... I think isolated religious sects based on Judaism or Christianity, that has female abuse that is "more likely to be hidden, shameful, and handled "within" the community" --- is as much a figment of your imagination as the Japanese question that folks have proposed.
Brother admits murdering model sister over "honor" lost to Facebook pics - CBS News
MULTAN, Pakistan - The brother of slain Pakistani model Qandeel Baloch on Sunday confessed to strangling her to death for "family honor" because she posted "shameful" pictures on Facebook.
Baloch, who had become a social media celebrity in recent months, stirred controversy by posting pictures online taken with a prominent Muslim cleric. She was found dead on Saturday at her family home in the central city of Multan.
Police arrested her brother, Waseem Azeem, and presented him before the media in Multan, where he confessed to killing her. He said people had taunted him over the photos and that he found the social embarrassment unbearable.
Nearly 1,000 women are murdered in Pakistan each year for violating conservative norms on love and marriage. The so-called "honor killings" are often carried out by family members.
Such killings are considered murder. But Islamic law in Pakistan allows a murder victim's family to pardon the killer, which often allows those convicted of honor killings to escape punishment.
This year alone, a schoolteacher, Maria Bibi, was set on fire for refusing to marry a man twice her age. The prime suspect in the case -- the father of the man she refused to marry -- and the other four are in custody.
A month earlier, police arrested 13 members of a local tribal council who allegedly strangled a girl and set her on fire for helping a friend elope. The charred body of17-year-old Ambreen Riasat was found in a burned van.
In June, a different 17-year-old girl was burned alive by her own family for eloping with the man she loved quietly. Her mom said she had no regrets.
Just happened last week. Quandeel fashioned herself as a symbol of empowerment for women. Got caught in a Hotel with a high Cleric during Ramadan.
Guess I need about 2000 American Jew/Christian cultists "abusing women" every year to this extent. The Paki Model was only doing the "Miley Cyrus" tolerance test. And she got killed for it..
I needed to add the vid -- because I haven't objectified any women yet today..![]()
You're also comparing Pakistan to the US...which is a bit of apples and oranges.
If you look at domestic abuse worldwide - violence towards women by men - do you know which country has one of (if not the most) highest rates of women disfigured by acid? Columbia, as well as Guatamala. Also breast ironing (WTF!), bride burning, etc. Both those countries are almost entirely Christian. AND THIS NEVER MAKES IT in the mainstream media.