Time to put up or shut up.

[eots]

the testimony od Barry Jenkins is the smoking gun agents like Patriot and Gammy cant get around and is the ultimate proof that explosives brought the towers down.Bld 7 is the crux of the 9/11 coverup commission.None of the OCTA'S here or at any other site has ever been able to debunk this video.funny how they got rid of jenkins for telling the truth isnt it? I always say dont trust doctors unless they are a friend of yours or a friend of a friend. same pattern of the kennedy assassination.a witness giving testimony that doesnt go along with their version of events dying after giving testimony that does not fit the governments version of events.

So how is it Barry Jenkins gives one version of what happened, yet everyone else gives a very DIFFERENT version, including the guy he was with?

As for your claim he was killed off, how utterly typical of the truthtard paranoid delusions. If the government really went after conspiracy theorists, Alex Jones and others would be long dead and buried due to various medical anomalies.

They're still talking about that one guy whose testimony sort of validates them? Vs all the firefighters who made statements like "the building is leaning" or "It just didn't look right" or " there was a noticeable bulge"... And still no audio of any explosion that could be taken as controlled demolition.

these are the only such statements and they are in contradiction with NIST
also who said them what are their names,who is quoting them ??

 

[Gamolon]

So how is it Barry Jenkins gives one version of what happened, yet everyone else gives a very DIFFERENT version, including the guy he was with?

As for your claim he was killed off, how utterly typical of the truthtard paranoid delusions. If the government really went after conspiracy theorists, Alex Jones and others would be long dead and buried due to various medical anomalies.

They're still talking about that one guy whose testimony sort of validates them? Vs all the firefighters who made statements like "the building is leaning" or "It just didn't look right" or " there was a noticeable bulge"... And still no audio of any explosion that could be taken as controlled demolition.

these are the only such statements and they are in contradiction with NIST
also who said them what are their names,who is quoting them ??

Eots,

Do you agree with Dr. Quintiere's following hypothesis as to what he thinks happened? Here is the quote from his paper.

An alternative hypothesis with the insulated trusses at the root cause
appears to have more support. Heat transfer analyses, a scale model, and
the UL furnace tests all indicate that the steel trusses can attain temperatures
corresponding to failure based on structural analyses. This hypothesis puts
the blame on the insufficiency of the truss insulation. Something NIST says
was not an issue.

 

[eots]

They're still talking about that one guy whose testimony sort of validates them? Vs all the firefighters who made statements like "the building is leaning" or "It just didn't look right" or " there was a noticeable bulge"... And still no audio of any explosion that could be taken as controlled demolition.

these are the only such statements and they are in contradiction with NIST
also who said them what are their names,who is quoting them ??

Eots,

Do you agree with Dr. Quintiere's following hypothesis as to what he thinks happened? Here is the quote from his paper.

An alternative hypothesis with the insulated trusses at the root cause
appears to have more support. Heat transfer analyses, a scale model, and
the UL furnace tests all indicate that the steel trusses can attain temperatures
corresponding to failure based on structural analyses. This hypothesis puts
the blame on the insufficiency of the truss insulation. Something NIST says
was not an issue.

I agree it is an alternative hypothesis but definitely not the alternative hypnosis

 

[DiveCon]

these are the only such statements and they are in contradiction with NIST
also who said them what are their names,who is quoting them ??

Eots,

Do you agree with Dr. Quintiere's following hypothesis as to what he thinks happened? Here is the quote from his paper.

An alternative hypothesis with the insulated trusses at the root cause
appears to have more support. Heat transfer analyses, a scale model, and
the UL furnace tests all indicate that the steel trusses can attain temperatures
corresponding to failure based on structural analyses. This hypothesis puts
the blame on the insufficiency of the truss insulation. Something NIST says
was not an issue.

I agree it is an alternative hypothesis but definitely not the alternative hypnosis

then lets see your hypothesis
and no, not some youtube video, not quotes from some other guys, YOUR'S
in your own words

 

[eots]

Eots,

Do you agree with Dr. Quintiere's following hypothesis as to what he thinks happened? Here is the quote from his paper.

I agree it is an alternative hypothesis but definitely not the alternative hypnosis

then lets see your hypothesis
and no, not some youtube video, not quotes from some other guys, YOUR'S
in your own words

My hypothesis is some form of explosives were involved in the destruction of the World Trade Centers..

 

[DiveCon]

I agree it is an alternative hypothesis but definitely not the alternative hypnosis

then lets see your hypothesis
and no, not some youtube video, not quotes from some other guys, YOUR'S
in your own words

My hypothesis is some form of explosives were involved in the destruction of the World Trade Centers..

yet there is zero evidence of any explosives
nor any explosive sounds at the time of collapse
on what basis do you form such a hypothesis with zero evidence?

 

[eots]

then lets see your hypothesis
and no, not some youtube video, not quotes from some other guys, YOUR'S
in your own words

My hypothesis is some form of explosives were involved in the destruction of the World Trade Centers..

yet there is zero evidence of any explosives
nor any explosive sounds at the time of collapse
on what basis do you form such a hypothesis with zero evidence?

at least a much evidence to support explosives theory as there is the NIST theory or Dr Qs theory..

this building did not just collapse however...it was blown into dust in sec...there is a difference

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBOd1XB943o[/ame]

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I agree it is an alternative hypothesis but definitely not the alternative hypnosis

then lets see your hypothesis
and no, not some youtube video, not quotes from some other guys, YOUR'S
in your own words

My hypothesis is some form of explosives were involved in the destruction of the World Trade Centers..

Good, now EXPLAIN HOW they were planted in 3 buildings full of THOUSANDS of civilians, How each building with its own internal security were planted with explosives that required building construction to clear and cut supports on more then one level of said building and lay explosives with numerous wires and electronic controls ( effected by civilian electronics not banned in said buildings). How the fires that raged in building 7 did not cause the supposed controlled demolition to occur premature? How the explosives laced on however many floors were required were properly covered in tons of insulation as were the myriad wires and electronic devices needed to control the explosions to occur all at the exact same time?

Then explain again how only a couple guys were needed to lay myriad explosives in 3 buildings on numerous levels after preform construction on said buildings, and were able to insulate said explosives from raging fires, falling debris, and the sight of fireman, police, private security, civilians working in said buildings and random different County and State inspectors as they went about their business prior to 9/11?

Explain how whom ever planned and executed this attack then managed to silence the HUNDREDS of independent investigators ranging from County to Federal from telling us about all the explosive residue, wiring, electronics devices to control said explosives found in the ruins?

Just curious?

 

[eots]

then lets see your hypothesis
and no, not some youtube video, not quotes from some other guys, YOUR'S
in your own words

My hypothesis is some form of explosives were involved in the destruction of the World Trade Centers..

Good, now EXPLAIN HOW they were planted in 3 buildings full of THOUSANDS of civilians, How each building with its own internal security were planted with explosives that required building construction to clear and cut supports on more then one level of said building and lay explosives with numerous wires and electronic controls ( effected by civilian electronics not banned in said buildings). How the fires that raged in building 7 did not cause the supposed controlled demolition to occur premature? How the explosives laced on however many floors were required were properly covered in tons of insulation as were the myriad wires and electronic devices needed to control the explosions to occur all at the exact same tim

e?

Then explain again how only a couple guys were needed to lay myriad explosives in 3 buildings on numerous levels after preform construction on said buildings, and were able to insulate said explosives from raging fires, falling debris, and the sight of fireman, police, private security, civilians working in said buildings and random different County and State inspectors as they went about their business prior to 9/11?

Explain how whom ever planned and executed this attack then managed to silence the HUNDREDS of independent investigators ranging from County to Federal from telling us about all the explosive residue, wiring, electronics devices to control said explosives found in the ruins?

Just curious?

you make far too many assumptions ...a real investigation is how we would find the answers to these questions in a open investigation with full discloser that fully examines the science and physic and remaining evidence , first determine the cause of death ...then the method

 

[DiveCon]

My hypothesis is some form of explosives were involved in the destruction of the World Trade Centers..

Good, now EXPLAIN HOW they were planted in 3 buildings full of THOUSANDS of civilians, How each building with its own internal security were planted with explosives that required building construction to clear and cut supports on more then one level of said building and lay explosives with numerous wires and electronic controls ( effected by civilian electronics not banned in said buildings). How the fires that raged in building 7 did not cause the supposed controlled demolition to occur premature? How the explosives laced on however many floors were required were properly covered in tons of insulation as were the myriad wires and electronic devices needed to control the explosions to occur all at the exact same tim

e?

Then explain again how only a couple guys were needed to lay myriad explosives in 3 buildings on numerous levels after preform construction on said buildings, and were able to insulate said explosives from raging fires, falling debris, and the sight of fireman, police, private security, civilians working in said buildings and random different County and State inspectors as they went about their business prior to 9/11?

Explain how whom ever planned and executed this attack then managed to silence the HUNDREDS of independent investigators ranging from County to Federal from telling us about all the explosive residue, wiring, electronics devices to control said explosives found in the ruins?

Just curious?

you make far too many assumptions ...a real investigation is how we would find the answers to these questions in a open investigation with full discloser that fully examines the science and physic and remaining evidence , first determine the cause of death ...then the method

they already had that investigation, no evidence to support your insane hypothesis was found

 

[RetiredGySgt]

e?

Then explain again how only a couple guys were needed to lay myriad explosives in 3 buildings on numerous levels after preform construction on said buildings, and were able to insulate said explosives from raging fires, falling debris, and the sight of fireman, police, private security, civilians working in said buildings and random different County and State inspectors as they went about their business prior to 9/11?

Explain how whom ever planned and executed this attack then managed to silence the HUNDREDS of independent investigators ranging from County to Federal from telling us about all the explosive residue, wiring, electronics devices to control said explosives found in the ruins?

Just curious?

you make far too many assumptions ...a real investigation is how we would find the answers to these questions in a open investigation with full discloser that fully examines the science and physic and remaining evidence , first determine the cause of death ...then the method

they already had that investigation, no evidence to support your insane hypothesis was found

The investigation was held. Now unless you EOTS, can provide evidnce that the official investigation withheld the finding of det cord, explosive residue, electronic trigger devices, evidence of explosions on columns and supports. You haven't a leg to stand on.

Again assuming the explosives were used then YOU are claiming that HUNDREDS of city, County, State and Federal Investigators at 3 separate sites all conspired together either before or after the fact to LIE about what they found. To publish a fake transcript of what happened. To hide and remove evidence contrary to their findings.

Someone besides the investigators would have had to removed the evidence so that adds dozens of more people in the know.

Back to the aircraft.... who hijacked them? If you are going to say Arab Terrorists and that the Government just used them, then you need to provide evidence that SOMEONE in the Government actually KNEW intimate details of the terrorists plans and movements. This too would require dozens of agents and analysts from at least one if not more Government agencies. It would require the cooperation of Senior officials in said agency, it would require that someone outside the Agency knew and was involved.

Further this agency would somehow have to convince hundreds of CIVILIANS to hide evidence of explosives, lie about explosives, smuggle evidence out of the investigation sites, etc etc.

Further the agency in question would need to involve the senior management of all 3 buildings, police, security and maintenance in all 3 buildings. They would need authority to shut down floors ( something you have failed to provide evidence that this occurred) to post their own guards and to control the flow of all the non involved civilians and officials that worked in all 3 buildings.

Now then, what happened to the Pennsylvania flight?

What happened at the Pentagon?

 

[eots]

e?

Then explain again how only a couple guys were needed to lay myriad explosives in 3 buildings on numerous levels after preform construction on said buildings, and were able to insulate said explosives from raging fires, falling debris, and the sight of fireman, police, private security, civilians working in said buildings and random different County and State inspectors as they went about their business prior to 9/11?

Explain how whom ever planned and executed this attack then managed to silence the HUNDREDS of independent investigators ranging from County to Federal from telling us about all the explosive residue, wiring, electronics devices to control said explosives found in the ruins?

Just curious?

you make far too many assumptions ...a real investigation is how we would find the answers to these questions in a open investigation with full discloser that fully examines the science and physic and remaining evidence , first determine the cause of death ...then the method

they already had that investigation, no evidence to support your insane hypothesis was found

they ignored it.. omitted it, distorted it ,destroyed it and never explored it based on lies about no such testimony existing...they have zero evidence for the NIST theory other than a computer model

 

[RetiredGySgt]

you make far too many assumptions ...a real investigation is how we would find the answers to these questions in a open investigation with full discloser that fully examines the science and physic and remaining evidence , first determine the cause of death ...then the method

they already had that investigation, no evidence to support your insane hypothesis was found

they ignored it.. omitted it, distorted it ,destroyed it and never explored it based on lies about no such testimony existing...they have zero evidence for the NIST theory other than a computer model

So hundreds of investigators from city, county, state and the fed all conspired together after the fact to destroy evidence, hide evidence and falsify their reports? Remind us again how this was a Government controlled conspiracy from the top?

Tell us why not one single one of these investigators that did all this have not recanted and come forward after 10 years?

 

[eots]

they already had that investigation, no evidence to support your insane hypothesis was found

they ignored it.. omitted it, distorted it ,destroyed it and never explored it based on lies about no such testimony existing...they have zero evidence for the NIST theory other than a computer model

So hundreds of investigators from city, county, state and the fed all conspired together after the fact to destroy evidence, hide evidence and falsify their reports? Remind us again how this was a Government controlled conspiracy from the top?

why do you pretend there were hundreds of investigators ??


Former Chief of NIST's Fire Science Division Calls for Independent Review of World Trade Center Investigation

“In my opinion, the WTC investigation by NIST falls short of expectations by not definitively finding cause, by not sufficiently linking recommendations of specificity to cause, by not fully invoking all of their authority to seek facts in the investigation, and by the guidance of government lawyers to deter rather than develop fact finding.

I also thought they would do is to enlist the service of the ATF [Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives], which has an investigation force and a laboratory of their own for fire. And I thought they would put people out on the street and get gumshoe-type information. What prevented all of this? I think it’s the legal structure that cloaks the Commerce Department and therefore NIST. And so, instead of lawyers as if they were acting on a civil case trying to get depositions and information subpoenaed, those lawyers did the opposite and blocked everything.”

spoliation of a fire scene is a basis for destroying a legal case in an investigation. Most of the steel was discarded, although the key elements of the core steel were demographically labeled. A careful reading of the NIST report shows that they have no evidence that the temperatures they predict as necessary for failure are corroborated by findings of the little steel debris they have. Why hasn't NIST declared that this spoliation of the steel was a gross error?

NIST used computer models that they said have never been used in such an application before and are the state of the art. For this they should be commended for their skill. But the validation of these modeling results is in question. Others have computed aspects with different conclusions on the cause mechanism of the collapse. Moreover, it is common in fire investigation to compute a time-line and compare it to known events. NIST has not done that.


OpEdNews - Page 2 of Article: Former Chief of NIST's Fire Science Division Calls for Independent Review of World Trade Center Investigation

 

[RetiredGySgt]

they ignored it.. omitted it, distorted it ,destroyed it and never explored it based on lies about no such testimony existing...they have zero evidence for the NIST theory other than a computer model

So hundreds of investigators from city, county, state and the fed all conspired together after the fact to destroy evidence, hide evidence and falsify their reports? Remind us again how this was a Government controlled conspiracy from the top?

why do you pretend there were hundreds of investigators ??


Former Chief of NIST's Fire Science Division Calls for Independent Review of World Trade Center Investigation

“In my opinion, the WTC investigation by NIST falls short of expectations by not definitively finding cause, by not sufficiently linking recommendations of specificity to cause, by not fully invoking all of their authority to seek facts in the investigation, and by the guidance of government lawyers to deter rather than develop fact finding.

I also thought they would do is to enlist the service of the ATF [Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives], which has an investigation force and a laboratory of their own for fire. And I thought they would put people out on the street and get gumshoe-type information. What prevented all of this? I think it’s the legal structure that cloaks the Commerce Department and therefore NIST. And so, instead of lawyers as if they were acting on a civil case trying to get depositions and information subpoenaed, those lawyers did the opposite and blocked everything.”

spoliation of a fire scene is a basis for destroying a legal case in an investigation. Most of the steel was discarded, although the key elements of the core steel were demographically labeled. A careful reading of the NIST report shows that they have no evidence that the temperatures they predict as necessary for failure are corroborated by findings of the little steel debris they have. Why hasn't NIST declared that this spoliation of the steel was a gross error?

NIST used computer models that they said have never been used in such an application before and are the state of the art. For this they should be commended for their skill. But the validation of these modeling results is in question. Others have computed aspects with different conclusions on the cause mechanism of the collapse. Moreover, it is common in fire investigation to compute a time-line and compare it to known events. NIST has not done that.


OpEdNews - Page 2 of Article: Former Chief of NIST's Fire Science Division Calls for Independent Review of World Trade Center Investigation

Wait a sec, if we take your clams seriously with posts like this then a new investigation can not be done anyway, so what is your point?

 

[eots]

why do you pretend there were hundreds of investigators ??


Former Chief of NIST's Fire Science Division Calls for Independent Review of World Trade Center Investigation

“In my opinion, the WTC investigation by NIST falls short of expectations by not definitively finding cause, by not sufficiently linking recommendations of specificity to cause, by not fully invoking all of their authority to seek facts in the investigation, and by the guidance of government lawyers to deter rather than develop fact finding.

I also thought they would do is to enlist the service of the ATF [Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives], which has an investigation force and a laboratory of their own for fire. And I thought they would put people out on the street and get gumshoe-type information. What prevented all of this? I think it’s the legal structure that cloaks the Commerce Department and therefore NIST. And so, instead of lawyers as if they were acting on a civil case trying to get depositions and information subpoenaed, those lawyers did the opposite and blocked everything.”

spoliation of a fire scene is a basis for destroying a legal case in an investigation. Most of the steel was discarded, although the key elements of the core steel were demographically labeled. A careful reading of the NIST report shows that they have no evidence that the temperatures they predict as necessary for failure are corroborated by findings of the little steel debris they have. Why hasn't NIST declared that this spoliation of the steel was a gross error?

NIST used computer models that they said have never been used in such an application before and are the state of the art. For this they should be commended for their skill. But the validation of these modeling results is in question. Others have computed aspects with different conclusions on the cause mechanism of the collapse. Moreover, it is common in fire investigation to compute a time-line and compare it to known events. NIST has not done that.


OpEdNews - Page 2 of Article: Former Chief of NIST's Fire Science Division Calls for Independent Review of World Trade Center Investigation

Wait a sec, if we take your clams seriously with posts like this then a new investigation can not be done anyway, so what is your point?

why could these problems not be remedied ? and have a fact driven investigation instead ?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Wait a sec, if we take your clams seriously with posts like this then a new investigation can not be done anyway, so what is your point?

why could these problems not be remedied ? and have a fact driven investigation instead ?

You have yet to prove that ANYONE destroyed evidence, removed evidence, misconstrued evidence or ignored evidence.

 

[eots]

why could these problems not be remedied ? and have a fact driven investigation instead ?

You have yet to prove that ANYONE destroyed evidence, removed evidence, misconstrued evidence or ignored evidence.

total nonsense..

 

[eots]

the only thing not proven is was it willful or not

 

[RetiredGySgt]

You have yet to prove that ANYONE destroyed evidence, removed evidence, misconstrued evidence or ignored evidence.

total nonsense..

Wrong, YOU claim we need a new investigation because for one thing , the one conducted had investigators, destroy, hide, remove or ignore evidence. Provide us some evidence to back up your claim.