To all you calling BS on the Trump indictment…

[Missourian]

A mischaracterization of a campaign expense is a far cry from falsifying business records to cover up an illegal campaign contribution.

That’s not anything close to being the same crime.

Link please.

 

[Missourian]

Barack Obama's 8 years of golf, Hawaii vacations costs taxpayers $US85 million

Barack Obama's penchant for the golf course and Hawaiian holidays has cost American taxpayers $US85 million the past eight years.

www.afr.com

“Barack Obama’s 2008 campaign paid the largest single fine to the FEC for campaign finance violations in history. Why didn’t anyone go to jail?” reads the Dec. 9 tweet.

Verdict: True

In 2012, Obama’s campaign agreed to pay an administrative fine of $191,135 for a campaign finance violation committed during the 2008 presidential election. It also paid $183,865 in civil penalties, for a total of $375,000 in violations. This is the largest administrative fine ever issued by the FEC

FACT CHECK: Did Obama’s 2008 Campaign Pay The Largest FEC Fine Ever?

The campaign had to pay a $191,000 fine

checkyourfact.com

 

[Marener]

Link please.

To what exactly? I thought you were keeping up on this story.

Clinton campaign, DNC fined over improper spending disclosure tied to Steele dossier, conservative group says

The Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton's 2016 campaign agreed to settle an FEC probe into how they characterized funding for opposition research, the group said.

www.nbcnews.com

Your questions about the Trump indictment, answered

How strong is the case? Can Trump continue campaigning? And when will he be brought to trial?

www.politico.com

 

[Slade3200]

I do recall sharing a view of the politicization of criminal prosecution. And I vaguely recall saying that what Bragg has done is exactly that.

How do you know it’s political prosecution if you don’t know what he is being prosecuted over?!

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Barack Obama's 8 years of golf, Hawaii vacations costs taxpayers $US85 million

Barack Obama's penchant for the golf course and Hawaiian holidays has cost American taxpayers $US85 million the past eight years.

www.afr.com

He's a DEMOCRAT.

 

[Missourian]

To what exactly? I thought you were keeping up on this story.

Clinton campaign, DNC fined over improper spending disclosure tied to Steele dossier, conservative group says

The Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton's 2016 campaign agreed to settle an FEC probe into how they characterized funding for opposition research, the group said.

www.nbcnews.com

Your questions about the Trump indictment, answered

How strong is the case? Can Trump continue campaigning? And when will he be brought to trial?

www.politico.com

Where are the "illegal campaign contributions"...where are the business reports?

The charge is that the the payment was misreported as a legal expense.

Although it was a legal expense...a payment for the signing of an NDA.

 

[Marener]

Where are the "illegal campaign contributions".

The charge is that the the payment was misreported as a legal expense.

The illegal campaign contributions was Michael Cohen paying Stormy Daniels for the NDA, which was an illegal campaign contribution. Michael Cohen was convicted of this. Trump was referred to as person 1, an unindicted co-conspirator. .

 

[Slade3200]

A pattern of behavior is only a pattern if YOU agree that it is...gotcha.

Whose behavior are you talking about? Because Mueller was hired by Trumps appointee, impeachment was House Dems, and this is a NY state issue and Grand Jury. You’re conflating completely separate events to justify your ignorant assumptions

 

[Missourian]

The illegal campaign contributions was Michael Cohen paying Stormy Daniels for the NDA, which was an illegal campaign contribution. Michael Cohen was convicted of this. Trump was referred to as person 1, an unindicted co-conspirator. .

Cohen...a lawyer...was convicted.

Trump...not a lawyer...wasn't and has never been indicted in that case.

Obama RECEIVED illegal campaign contributions...the FEC levied the LARGEST FINE IN THE HISTORY OF THE FEC...

“Barack Obama’s 2008 campaign paid the largest single fine to the FEC for campaign finance violations in history. Why didn’t anyone go to jail?” reads the Dec. 9 tweet.

Verdict: True

In 2012, Obama’s campaign agreed to pay an administrative fine of $191,135 for a campaign finance violation committed during the 2008 presidential election. It also paid $183,865 in civil penalties, for a total of $375,000 in violations. This is the largest administrative fine ever issued by the FEC...

FACT CHECK: Did Obama’s 2008 Campaign Pay The Largest FEC Fine Ever?

The campaign had to pay a $191,000 fine

checkyourfact.com

Was he indicted?

Hillary Clinton received illegal campaign contributions as well ...

Hillary Clinton Super PAC Accepted $200,000 in Illegal Contributions from Government Contractor

WASHINGTON – Priorities USA Action, a super PAC backing Hillary Clinton, accepted $200,000 in contributions from a government contractor in violation of federal law. While Priorities USA – following press coverage of the illegal contribution – returned the money to Suffolk Construction Company...

campaignlegal.org

Was she indicted?

Finally...Trump isn't a lawyer ... If his lawyer, Cohen, told Trump it was completely legal ... is Trump to blame?

Absolutely not.

Cohen is the criminal here.

 

[BrokeLoser]

You’re wasting space. If you don’t want to answer my question then don’t engage

Translation:
”You’re not saying what my TDS-ing ears want to hear to please stop replying.”

 

[BackAgain]

How do you know it’s political prosecution if you don’t know what he is being prosecuted over?!

As I said, already, we can suss it out from all we do know.

And soon, we shall see what count or counts the shady DA cobbled together.

 

[Marener]

Finally...Trump isn't a lawyer ... If his lawyer, Cohen, told Trump it was completely legal ... is Trump to blame?

Yes. You don’t get to break laws because your lawyer might have told you something (we don’t know what Cohen told him).

 

[Lesh]

Cohen...a lawyer...was convicted.

Trump...not a lawyer...wasn't and has never been indicted in that case.

Obama RECEIVED illegal campaign contributions...the FEC levied the LARGEST FINE IN THE HISTORY OF THE FEC...

“Barack Obama’s 2008 campaign paid the largest single fine to the FEC for campaign finance violations in history. Why didn’t anyone go to jail?” reads the Dec. 9 tweet.

Verdict: True

In 2012, Obama’s campaign agreed to pay an administrative fine of $191,135 for a campaign finance violation committed during the 2008 presidential election. It also paid $183,865 in civil penalties, for a total of $375,000 in violations. This is the largest administrative fine ever issued by the FEC...

FACT CHECK: Did Obama’s 2008 Campaign Pay The Largest FEC Fine Ever?

The campaign had to pay a $191,000 fine

checkyourfact.com

Was he indicted?

Hillary Clinton received illegal campaign contributions as well ...

Hillary Clinton Super PAC Accepted $200,000 in Illegal Contributions from Government Contractor

WASHINGTON – Priorities USA Action, a super PAC backing Hillary Clinton, accepted $200,000 in contributions from a government contractor in violation of federal law. While Priorities USA – following press coverage of the illegal contribution – returned the money to Suffolk Construction Company...

campaignlegal.org

Was she indicted?

Finally...Trump isn't a lawyer ... If his lawyer, Cohen, told Trump it was completely legal ... is Trump to blame?

Absolutely not.

Cohen is the criminal here.

Cohen was doing what he did at the behest of Trump so

 

[Missourian]

Whose behavior are you talking about? Because Mueller was hired by Trumps appointee, impeachment was House Dems, and this is a NY state issue and Grand Jury. You’re conflating completely separate events to justify your ignorant assumptions

My ignorant assumption that the Democrats, the Federal legal apparatus, the Media and now the Soros funded New York D.A.s office have done everything in their collective power to destroy Trump?

I'd love to view how you can possibly dismiss these truths from your point of view, but my head won't fit up my ass.

 

[dudmuck]

“Barack Obama’s 2008 campaign paid the largest single fine to the FEC for campaign finance violations in history. Why didn’t anyone go to jail?” reads the Dec. 9 tweet.

Verdict: True

In 2012, Obama’s campaign agreed to pay an administrative fine of $191,135 for a campaign finance violation committed during the 2008 presidential election. It also paid $183,865 in civil penalties, for a total of $375,000 in violations. This is the largest administrative fine ever issued by the FEC

FACT CHECK: Did Obama’s 2008 Campaign Pay The Largest FEC Fine Ever?

The campaign had to pay a $191,000 fine

checkyourfact.com

the difference is intent. Was the act purposeful
IT was Obama's campaign that messed up, it wasnt Obama doing something nefarious.
Mistakes result in fines.

 

[Missourian]

Yes. You don’t get to break laws because your lawyer might have told you something (we don’t know what Cohen told him).

Yes...you do.

Because in order for Trump to have broken the law, he would have had knowledge that he WAS breaking the law.

The advise of an expert attorney IS a valid defense. In that circumstance, the ATTORNEY broke the law ... Trump would be an innocent bystander.

 

[Marener]

Yes...you do.

Because in order for Trump to have broken the law, he would have had knowledge that he WAS breaking the law.

The advise of an expert attorney IS a valid defense. In that circumstance, the ATTORNEY broke the law ... Trump would be an innocent bystander.

Trump knew he was falsifying business records.

That’s what actually matters.

 

[Missourian]

the difference is intent. Was the act purposeful
IT was Obama's campaign that messed up, it wasnt Obama doing something nefarious.
Mistakes result in fines.

And Trump trusted his lawyer.

His INTENT was to keep the payment from the media...which would nullify the purpose of paying for the NDA...not commit a crime.

Do you have evidence other than the testimony of the convicted attorney?

 

[Slade3200]

Translation:
”You’re not saying what my TDS-ing ears want to hear to please stop replying.”

A applaud the effort but you’re wrong. Just looking for an on topic discussion.

 

[Slade3200]

As I said, already, we can suss it out from all we do know.

And soon, we shall see what count or counts the shady DA cobbled together.

The time to judge whether it’s political prosecution or bullshit charges would be at the point where we see the evidence and charges. We aren’t there yet. So all those making hay are just playing the peanut gallery