To be an AGW denier is to be paranoid

What's funny is you call us deniers yet can never quite pinpoint what we're supposed to be denying. Here's a fact for you to mull over, there is not a single carbon control program that mandates a reduction in production. Not one. You merely have to pay for the privilege of polluting.

A sulfur dioxide cap-and-trade program was implemented starting in 1995. SO2 emissions are down 40% since then. Hence, it has been conclusively demonstrated that "paying for the privilege" results in reduced pollution.

Now if the reality was as dire as the claims don't you think the pushers of this bullshit would actually try and stop the "polluting" rather than merely profiting from it?

The answer is that you're pushing bullshit there by way of two big lies -- that such programs don't work, and that those pushing them are profiting from it.

However, if you're that dead set against capitalism, the socialist Europeans cut their SO2 emissions 70%, using conventional regulation by government decree. Would that socialist solution be more to your liking, given how the evil capitalist influence has been removed from it?

Retard;

SO2 was mandated to be reduced and scrubbed from US emissions over 25 years ago. They are not allowed to put it into the atmosphere moron... You cant buy that privilege in the US...

But one thing that helped get us there were the pollution trading credits. Never really fully implemented, but it's a viable concept.. The deal is --- if the program WORKS -- sometime in the future you won't need it anymore.
 
What's funny is you call us deniers yet can never quite pinpoint what we're supposed to be denying. Here's a fact for you to mull over, there is not a single carbon control program that mandates a reduction in production. Not one. You merely have to pay for the privilege of polluting.

A sulfur dioxide cap-and-trade program was implemented starting in 1995. SO2 emissions are down 40% since then. Hence, it has been conclusively demonstrated that "paying for the privilege" results in reduced pollution.

Now if the reality was as dire as the claims don't you think the pushers of this bullshit would actually try and stop the "polluting" rather than merely profiting from it?

The answer is that you're pushing bullshit there by way of two big lies -- that such programs don't work, and that those pushing them are profiting from it.

However, if you're that dead set against capitalism, the socialist Europeans cut their SO2 emissions 70%, using conventional regulation by government decree. Would that socialist solution be more to your liking, given how the evil capitalist influence has been removed from it?

Retard;

SO2 was mandated to be reduced and scrubbed from US emissions over 25 years ago. They are not allowed to put it into the atmosphere moron... You cant buy that privilege in the US...

But one thing that helped get us there were the pollution trading credits. Never really fully implemented, but it's a viable concept.. The deal is --- if the program WORKS -- sometime in the future you won't need it anymore.
CO2 is not pollution.

Do you want to make to make plants starve to death and people freeze to death?

How much energy will the sun output in the year 2055? Do you have any proof? Any whatsoever?


If not, then you have just conceded the debate.
 
He conceded nothing but you've conceded that you have so little grasp of the basics of the natural sciences or logic or the issues actually under discussion here that I bet your denier compatriots rather wish you'd post less.

The CO2 pollution meme as well as mention of plants is pure ignorance. The Earth's flora did just fine prior to the Industrial Revolution and even the most ambitious of mitigation plans even daydream of getting CO2 to those levels anywhere in the next century or more.
 
What's funny is you call us deniers yet can never quite pinpoint what we're supposed to be denying. Here's a fact for you to mull over, there is not a single carbon control program that mandates a reduction in production. Not one. You merely have to pay for the privilege of polluting.

Now if the reality was as dire as the claims don't you think the pushers of this bullshit would actually try and stop the "polluting" rather than merely profiting from it?

You deny the conclusions of the IPCC. Or have you changed your mind? And to do so, since the physical evidence will not support you, you rely on the paranoid delusion of a massive conspiracy.
 
SO2 was mandated to be reduced and scrubbed from US emissions over 25 years ago. They are not allowed to put it into the atmosphere moron... You cant buy that privilege in the US...

So you think we should simply cap CO2 emissions? Good. I'm with you. We can cap them down to zero over a few years and get this long-delayed job done and done right.

Wikipedai - Emissions Trading

In the United States, the "acid rain"-related emission trading system was principally conceived by C. Boyden Gray, a G.H.W. Bush administration attorney. Gray worked with theEnvironmental Defense Fund (EDF), who worked with the EPA to write the bill that became law as part of the Clean Air Act of 1990. The new emissions cap on NOx and SO2gases took effect in 1995, and according to Smithsonian magazine, those acid rain emissions dropped 3 million tons that year.[45] In 1997, the CoP agreed, in what has been described as a watershed in international environmental treaty making, the Kyoto Protocol where 38 developed countries(Annex 1 countries.) committed themselves to targets and timetables for the reduction of GHGs.[46] These targets for developed countries are often referred to as Assigned Amounts.

One important economic reality recognised by many of the countries that signed the Kyoto Protocol is that, if countries have to solely rely on their own domestic measures, the resulting inflexible limitations on GHG growth could entail very large costs, perhaps running into many trillions of dollars globally.[47] As a result, international mechanisms which would allow developed countries flexibility to meet their targets were included in the Kyoto Protocol. The purpose of these mechanisms is to allow the parties to find the most economic ways to achieve their targets. These international mechanisms are outlined under Kyoto Protocol.[48]
 
SO2 was mandated to be reduced and scrubbed from US emissions over 25 years ago. They are not allowed to put it into the atmosphere moron... You cant buy that privilege in the US...

So you think we should simply cap CO2 emissions? Good. I'm with you. We can cap them down to zero over a few years and get this long-delayed job done and done right.

Wikipedai - Emissions Trading

In the United States, the "acid rain"-related emission trading system was principally conceived by C. Boyden Gray, a G.H.W. Bush administration attorney. Gray worked with theEnvironmental Defense Fund (EDF), who worked with the EPA to write the bill that became law as part of the Clean Air Act of 1990. The new emissions cap on NOx and SO2gases took effect in 1995, and according to Smithsonian magazine, those acid rain emissions dropped 3 million tons that year.[45] In 1997, the CoP agreed, in what has been described as a watershed in international environmental treaty making, the Kyoto Protocol where 38 developed countries(Annex 1 countries.) committed themselves to targets and timetables for the reduction of GHGs.[46] These targets for developed countries are often referred to as Assigned Amounts.

One important economic reality recognised by many of the countries that signed the Kyoto Protocol is that, if countries have to solely rely on their own domestic measures, the resulting inflexible limitations on GHG growth could entail very large costs, perhaps running into many trillions of dollars globally.[47] As a result, international mechanisms which would allow developed countries flexibility to meet their targets were included in the Kyoto Protocol. The purpose of these mechanisms is to allow the parties to find the most economic ways to achieve their targets. These international mechanisms are outlined under Kyoto Protocol.[48]

So tell me how do you cap emissions at zero without shutting down the economy
 
SO2 was mandated to be reduced and scrubbed from US emissions over 25 years ago. They are not allowed to put it into the atmosphere moron... You cant buy that privilege in the US...

So you think we should simply cap CO2 emissions? Good. I'm with you. We can cap them down to zero over a few years and get this long-delayed job done and done right.

Wikipedai - Emissions Trading

In the United States, the "acid rain"-related emission trading system was principally conceived by C. Boyden Gray, a G.H.W. Bush administration attorney. Gray worked with theEnvironmental Defense Fund (EDF), who worked with the EPA to write the bill that became law as part of the Clean Air Act of 1990. The new emissions cap on NOx and SO2gases took effect in 1995, and according to Smithsonian magazine, those acid rain emissions dropped 3 million tons that year.[45] In 1997, the CoP agreed, in what has been described as a watershed in international environmental treaty making, the Kyoto Protocol where 38 developed countries(Annex 1 countries.) committed themselves to targets and timetables for the reduction of GHGs.[46] These targets for developed countries are often referred to as Assigned Amounts.

One important economic reality recognised by many of the countries that signed the Kyoto Protocol is that, if countries have to solely rely on their own domestic measures, the resulting inflexible limitations on GHG growth could entail very large costs, perhaps running into many trillions of dollars globally.[47] As a result, international mechanisms which would allow developed countries flexibility to meet their targets were included in the Kyoto Protocol. The purpose of these mechanisms is to allow the parties to find the most economic ways to achieve their targets. These international mechanisms are outlined under Kyoto Protocol.[48]
this is just truly stupid. Paranoia, kill all humans and have zero CO2. Yep you are still advocating the death of human kind. hahaaha, hey Frank. Here's another one for you to use. Cap to zero CO2.
 
What's funny is you call us deniers yet can never quite pinpoint what we're supposed to be denying. Here's a fact for you to mull over, there is not a single carbon control program that mandates a reduction in production. Not one. You merely have to pay for the privilege of polluting.

Now if the reality was as dire as the claims don't you think the pushers of this bullshit would actually try and stop the "polluting" rather than merely profiting from it?

You deny the conclusions of the IPCC. Or have you changed your mind? And to do so, since the physical evidence will not support you, you rely on the paranoid delusion of a massive conspiracy.

The "we redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy" IPCC
 
SO2 was mandated to be reduced and scrubbed from US emissions over 25 years ago. They are not allowed to put it into the atmosphere moron... You cant buy that privilege in the US...

So you think we should simply cap CO2 emissions? Good. I'm with you. We can cap them down to zero over a few years and get this long-delayed job done and done right.

Wikipedai - Emissions Trading

In the United States, the "acid rain"-related emission trading system was principally conceived by C. Boyden Gray, a G.H.W. Bush administration attorney. Gray worked with theEnvironmental Defense Fund (EDF), who worked with the EPA to write the bill that became law as part of the Clean Air Act of 1990. The new emissions cap on NOx and SO2gases took effect in 1995, and according to Smithsonian magazine, those acid rain emissions dropped 3 million tons that year.[45] In 1997, the CoP agreed, in what has been described as a watershed in international environmental treaty making, the Kyoto Protocol where 38 developed countries(Annex 1 countries.) committed themselves to targets and timetables for the reduction of GHGs.[46] These targets for developed countries are often referred to as Assigned Amounts.

One important economic reality recognised by many of the countries that signed the Kyoto Protocol is that, if countries have to solely rely on their own domestic measures, the resulting inflexible limitations on GHG growth could entail very large costs, perhaps running into many trillions of dollars globally.[47] As a result, international mechanisms which would allow developed countries flexibility to meet their targets were included in the Kyoto Protocol. The purpose of these mechanisms is to allow the parties to find the most economic ways to achieve their targets. These international mechanisms are outlined under Kyoto Protocol.[48]

How will "Capping CO2" prevent the equatorial rain forest from being the biggest generators of CO2?

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What's funny is you call us deniers yet can never quite pinpoint what we're supposed to be denying. Here's a fact for you to mull over, there is not a single carbon control program that mandates a reduction in production. Not one. You merely have to pay for the privilege of polluting.

Now if the reality was as dire as the claims don't you think the pushers of this bullshit would actually try and stop the "polluting" rather than merely profiting from it?

You deny the conclusions of the IPCC. Or have you changed your mind? And to do so, since the physical evidence will not support you, you rely on the paranoid delusion of a massive conspiracy.
You will continue to be very ignorant of the subject at least until you can comprehend the fact that the IPCC is not a scientific body. It is a political organization.
 
The IPCC's assessment reports are accurate assessments of the findings of current climate science regarding global warming and climate change. Your comments are completely meaningless in that regard. The reference material with which the hundreds of SCIENTISTS of the IPCC produce its assessment reports are NOT political documents.

Besides which, I would challenge your premise that the UN is a political body. The US Department of Defense is an agency of the elected government. Is the DoD a political body? No. Simply because the UN represents the combined will of elected bodies across the planet does not mean that the UN itself is political in nature. The UN does not run for election. It does not represent any political party. It does not seek power. It is NOT, therefore, a political enitity.
 
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The IPCC's assessment reports are accurate assessments of the findings of current climate science regarding global warming and climate change. Your comments are completely meaningless in that regard. The reference material with which the hundreds of SCIENTISTS of the IPCC use to produce its assessment reports are NOT political documents.
Is redistributing wealth political or scientific?
 
The IPCC's assessment reports are accurate assessments of the findings of current climate science regarding global warming and climate change. Your comments are completely meaningless in that regard. The reference material with which the hundreds of SCIENTISTS of the IPCC produce its assessment reports are NOT political documents.

Besides which, I would challenge your premise that the UN is a political body. The US Department of Defense is an agency of the elected government. Is the DoD a political body? No. Simply because the UN represents the combined will of elected bodies across the planet does not mean that the UN itself is political in nature. The UN does not run for election. It does not represent any political party. It does not seek power. It is NOT, therefore, a political enitity.


Would you care to challenge me on my facts Frank?
 
What's funny is you call us deniers yet can never quite pinpoint what we're supposed to be denying. Here's a fact for you to mull over, there is not a single carbon control program that mandates a reduction in production. Not one. You merely have to pay for the privilege of polluting.

A sulfur dioxide cap-and-trade program was implemented starting in 1995. SO2 emissions are down 40% since then. Hence, it has been conclusively demonstrated that "paying for the privilege" results in reduced pollution.

Now if the reality was as dire as the claims don't you think the pushers of this bullshit would actually try and stop the "polluting" rather than merely profiting from it?

The answer is that you're pushing bullshit there by way of two big lies -- that such programs don't work, and that those pushing them are profiting from it.

However, if you're that dead set against capitalism, the socialist Europeans cut their SO2 emissions 70%, using conventional regulation by government decree. Would that socialist solution be more to your liking, given how the evil capitalist influence has been removed from it?
good points.
 

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