To those saying flipping burgers or dunking fries deserves 15.00 per hour...

[Ray From Cleveland]

Those over 21 making minimum wage in this economy need to quit and look for better pay. There are thousands of CDL jobs out there begging for drivers.

Not to mention some companies will not only train you, but pay you while you learn and a guaranteed job.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I guess what those who poke fun at that segment of society want is for taxpayers to foot their entire bill since not everybody can learn more to earn more.

Those of us on the right don't want to foot any bill. Cut social programs down to the bare bone, and it will force people to work harder and better themselves.

Pardon me, but that is a silly reply. Lots of people simply can't do what you expect... you know anybody with autism, Downs, or is IQ challenged?

Those people are taken care of by our social programs. They don't need to work if they don't want to. Some of them do I suppose, but it's not a necessity or survival.

By cutting social programs, I'm talking about the many who are physically and mentally capable of working, but don't.

Are you being flippant? Some people can work and want to work, but they can't get beyond a certain level with jobs. They won't be the head of Google or a rocket scientist, but they shouldn't have to work for a check that is less than what they could make on disability.

So what you are saying is that employers should overpay everybody because of this tiny fraction of people that you speak of?

For your information, people on disability can still work. Two of my tenants are on disability: one on full disability and the other partial disability. Both have jobs but the allowable income allows them to make a decent living.

 

[beagle9]

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Even McDonald's acknowledges that their business was intended for children.
Holding businesses that are created with the employment of kids & college students responsible for the poor choices people make in life is wrong. If you're in your mid to late 20's or higher & working for minimum wage you have no one to blame but yourself. You're poor choices should not result in a 10.00 Big Mac or 4 dollar fry.

Poverty is a complex issue. To blame it all on laziness is absolutely ridiculous and sends the message that corporations can pay employees wages that are way behind on the rising cost of living for the sake of massive profit that only benefits a small group of executives per company.

No one said anything about being lazy, except you. He spoke of what McDonald's intended employees are. Other than management, the majority of McDonald workers are under 21, which is what Ray Kroc envisioned when he built the franchise.

The goal of McDonald's was to buy the best real estate in the area develop it, have entrepreneurs run it using high school kids. That was always the goal of the McDonald's franchise. Also those that work at McDonald's are not lazy, it is not an easy job, however 95% of the population are qualified to work at McDonald's, it is not a skilled labor position.

I implied poor life choices. If he extrapolated laziesness out of that, well that's on him.
You simply can not say that someone in their 30's flipping burgers for a living didn't make some drastic poor choices when they were younger.

. Well it could be situations that weren't nessesarily bad choices by the individual as much as it could have been the choices of the family in which the individual might have come out of. Are we to blame individuals for not being able to choose their mothers and father's in life ?? Are we to punish, discriminate and persecute people because of their unfortunate circumstances in which they found themselves within in life or help them if they reach out for that help ? Are people to be exploited or helped in life when they make an honest effort to obtain that help ??

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If someone came to a county and wanted a business license, I think that the county commission could say no if the business were not willing to pay their workers.

If the employer creates a job, but isn't going to pay people enough to maintain that area's standard of living, they should not be granted a business permit.

Then those businesses go to the next county that stays the hell out of their business and that county reaps in the tax revenue.

A few years ago our city was considering a huge minimum wage increase. They wanted it $15.00 an hour. Even the liberal council realized what a grave mistake that would have been. They voted it down because they knew businesses would flee Cleveland and reopen in the suburbs.

Since that was a failure, they tried to get the county to have a $15.00 an hour minimum wage. They too refused to go along with the idea for the same reason.

Asked and answered. If people cannot make a realistic wage, they will qualify for welfare, housing subsidies, AFDC, etc. Taxpayers will either pay higher taxes or 15 cents more a meal for a Big Mac.

Which is a good argument for stopping those subsidies for people that want to smoke pot, work low wage jobs, and never try to better themselves.

Why do we allow these intrusions of the Fourth Amendment to get a job? Drug tests?

I really don't know. But drug tests are legal because the employer gets a cut on his Workman's Compensation insurance. According to my employer, Workman's Compensation is one of his largest expenditures. Of course we are a small company.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

This lack of empathy from the right always enrages me. Most people would love to not work at McDonalds. Most people working in the service industry don't do it because they love it. They do it because they need money and food.

Life deals people bad cards sometimes. A lot of people have family responsibilities, illness and other circumstances that are out of their hands.

Fast food workers just don't flip burgers. They work long hours, deal with shitty customers and sub par pay.

The current minimum wage doesn't even allow to pay towards something better. The minimum wage isn't livable.

McDonald's is a FIRST JOB. What part of that is not comprehensible to you. When has a first job ever been one on which you get married, have children and buy a house?

What is the average income of a household where at least one member of the household works for minimum wage?

People have life circumstances in which they have to take a job in the service industry. I knew a guy in college who's mom got sick. He had to drop out in freshman and take a job as a waiter to support his siblings. With minimum wage he was barely making it.

Ideally working in the service industry should just be for teenagers. But in our capitalist society, that's not the case.

No one is asking for pay yo buy a home. But a wage that you're able yo Iive on without needing food stamps or some assistance is reasonable.

Obviously your friend didn't tell you the entire truth. I know waitresses and waiters, they don't make minimum wage and in fact, do very well with tips.

. You mean those tips that once upon a time weren't taxed, and those tips that were once upon a time left on the table to reward the waiter or waitress for their quality service given, you mean those tips that have since been stolen from the workers ?

My mother was a waitress and she did pretty good some days. My niece is currently a waitress and she does very well. But she's very pretty in her early 30's with natural blonde hair. A friend of mine used to be a waiter in a very posh restaurant. He was often tipped $100.00 bills on top of his pay.

 

[Humorme]

No one said anything about being lazy, except you. He spoke of what McDonald's intended employees are. Other than management, the majority of McDonald workers are under 21, which is what Ray Kroc envisioned when he built the franchise.

The goal of McDonald's was to buy the best real estate in the area develop it, have entrepreneurs run it using high school kids. That was always the goal of the McDonald's franchise. Also those that work at McDonald's are not lazy, it is not an easy job, however 95% of the population are qualified to work at McDonald's, it is not a skilled labor position.

I implied poor life choices. If he extrapolated laziesness out of that, well that's on him.
You simply can not say that someone in their 30's flipping burgers for a living didn't make some drastic poor choices when they were younger.

Nobody claims people will work for minimum wage their entire life

But it still does not excuse exploiting low skilled labor

Those over 21 making minimum wage in this economy need to quit and look for better pay. There are thousands of CDL jobs out there begging for drivers. Sometimes you are exploited because you allow yourself to be exploited. Not everyone but most of those in that position have a ton of talent, a ton of knowledge and a fear. The fear holds many people from moving forward.

Did you know that America leads the world with the number of people in prison?

Those people will never qualify for a CDL. Then you have the emotionally / IQ challenged people that cannot qualify for a lot of the good jobs. There are single moms that need flexible schedules so as to be able to take care of their kids and provide for them. Not everyone will fit your predetermined categories.

First off I said "Not everyone but most of those in that position..." So please tell me what my predetermined category is?

Also felons can get CDLs, I work in the transportation industry and we have hired a felon, one of the best drivers and nicest guys you will find, so I am not sure how you get that felons can't get CDLs.

My daughter is a single mother and works from home and is making good money, I realize that everyone is different however, I will stick with my original statement. Not everyone is a victim.

You ask me about predetermined categories and then refer to your daughter. Everybody's fact situation is different.

I was told, but did not do an extensive legal research effort, that many felons (depending on crime) could not get a driver's license. Be that as it may, with the obsession to run background checks on everybody, even you won't make the argument that your employer is the exception not the norm.

Most people with a criminal record will not qualify for the lion's share of the jobs out there - that's a fact. And, instead of coming up with ways to get people INTO the job market (or back into it) your solutions are all about ways to penalize people. That will be about as effective as a eunuch in a whorehouse.

 

[Humorme]

If someone came to a county and wanted a business license, I think that the county commission could say no if the business were not willing to pay their workers.

If the employer creates a job, but isn't going to pay people enough to maintain that area's standard of living, they should not be granted a business permit.

Then those businesses go to the next county that stays the hell out of their business and that county reaps in the tax revenue.

A few years ago our city was considering a huge minimum wage increase. They wanted it $15.00 an hour. Even the liberal council realized what a grave mistake that would have been. They voted it down because they knew businesses would flee Cleveland and reopen in the suburbs.

Since that was a failure, they tried to get the county to have a $15.00 an hour minimum wage. They too refused to go along with the idea for the same reason.

Asked and answered. If people cannot make a realistic wage, they will qualify for welfare, housing subsidies, AFDC, etc. Taxpayers will either pay higher taxes or 15 cents more a meal for a Big Mac.

Which is a good argument for stopping those subsidies for people that want to smoke pot, work low wage jobs, and never try to better themselves.

Why do we allow these intrusions of the Fourth Amendment to get a job? Drug tests?

I really don't know. But drug tests are legal because the employer gets a cut on his Workman's Compensation insurance. According to my employer, Workman's Compensation is one of his largest expenditures. Of course we are a small company.

They are still a violation of the Fourth Amendment.

 

[beagle9]

Those over 21 making minimum wage in this economy need to quit and look for better pay. There are thousands of CDL jobs out there begging for drivers.

Not to mention some companies will not only train you, but pay you while you learn and a guaranteed job.

. Yeah like someone who told me once that he was getting a sorry flat salary for training, and the lead driver was getting all the pay for the miles he drove ?? Then the lead driver was taking advantage by forcing him to drive far to many miles instead of doing the right thing in the situation ?? The corruption and exploitation is unbelievable in this nation for many, but we all just keep going like there is nothing wrong or nothing to see or hear when we do see or hear it. Then comes the excuses, the never ending excuses. As a mechanic back in the day, I have heard some stories over the years.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Then those businesses go to the next county that stays the hell out of their business and that county reaps in the tax revenue.

A few years ago our city was considering a huge minimum wage increase. They wanted it $15.00 an hour. Even the liberal council realized what a grave mistake that would have been. They voted it down because they knew businesses would flee Cleveland and reopen in the suburbs.

Since that was a failure, they tried to get the county to have a $15.00 an hour minimum wage. They too refused to go along with the idea for the same reason.

Asked and answered. If people cannot make a realistic wage, they will qualify for welfare, housing subsidies, AFDC, etc. Taxpayers will either pay higher taxes or 15 cents more a meal for a Big Mac.

Which is a good argument for stopping those subsidies for people that want to smoke pot, work low wage jobs, and never try to better themselves.

Why do we allow these intrusions of the Fourth Amendment to get a job? Drug tests?

I really don't know. But drug tests are legal because the employer gets a cut on his Workman's Compensation insurance. According to my employer, Workman's Compensation is one of his largest expenditures. Of course we are a small company.

They are still a violation of the Fourth Amendment.

Then if you have a problem with getting drug tested, sue the employer for your forth amendment violations. "If" a court agrees with you, that will be the end of drug testing.

 

[Humorme]

I guess what those who poke fun at that segment of society want is for taxpayers to foot their entire bill since not everybody can learn more to earn more.

Those of us on the right don't want to foot any bill. Cut social programs down to the bare bone, and it will force people to work harder and better themselves.

Pardon me, but that is a silly reply. Lots of people simply can't do what you expect... you know anybody with autism, Downs, or is IQ challenged?

Those people are taken care of by our social programs. They don't need to work if they don't want to. Some of them do I suppose, but it's not a necessity or survival.

By cutting social programs, I'm talking about the many who are physically and mentally capable of working, but don't.

Are you being flippant? Some people can work and want to work, but they can't get beyond a certain level with jobs. They won't be the head of Google or a rocket scientist, but they shouldn't have to work for a check that is less than what they could make on disability.

So what you are saying is that employers should overpay everybody because of this tiny fraction of people that you speak of?

For your information, people on disability can still work. Two of my tenants are on disability: one on full disability and the other partial disability. Both have jobs but the allowable income allows them to make a decent living.

Have you been reading my posts?

If a person is on disability AND on drugs (albeit legal) an employer is not going to hire them AND if they don't take the drugs, Socialist Security is not going to approve their disability claim.

If you can prove differently, you are in the wrong line of work.

 

[Humorme]

Asked and answered. If people cannot make a realistic wage, they will qualify for welfare, housing subsidies, AFDC, etc. Taxpayers will either pay higher taxes or 15 cents more a meal for a Big Mac.

Which is a good argument for stopping those subsidies for people that want to smoke pot, work low wage jobs, and never try to better themselves.

Why do we allow these intrusions of the Fourth Amendment to get a job? Drug tests?

I really don't know. But drug tests are legal because the employer gets a cut on his Workman's Compensation insurance. According to my employer, Workman's Compensation is one of his largest expenditures. Of course we are a small company.

They are still a violation of the Fourth Amendment.

Then if you have a problem with getting drug tested, sue the employer for your forth amendment violations. "If" a court agrees with you, that will be the end of drug testing.

You definitely don't understand. We live in a country dominated by lawyers. Lawyers are the ones who become judges. Lawyers who want to become judges usually get a recommendation / approval from the American Bar Association (ABA.)

The most liberal organization in the world, outside those connected to the Chinese government or the Kremlin, is the ABA itself. They, like George W. Bush said, feel the Constitution isn't anything but a G.D. piece of paper.

Again, when the Constitution protects you, you'll stand up for it. When it gets in your way, you can always appeal to the nine robed Justices playing God and thinking that they are final say. So much for a government of the people.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Those over 21 making minimum wage in this economy need to quit and look for better pay. There are thousands of CDL jobs out there begging for drivers.

Not to mention some companies will not only train you, but pay you while you learn and a guaranteed job.

. Yeah like someone who told me once that he was getting a sorry flat salary for training, and the lead driver was getting all the pay for the miles he drove ?? Then the lead driver was taking advantage by forcing him to drive far to many miles instead of doing the right thing in the situation ?? The corruption and exploitation is unbelievable in this nation for many, but we all just keep going like there is nothing wrong or nothing to see or hear when we do see or hear it. Then comes the excuses, the never ending excuses. As a mechanic back in the day, I have heard some stories over the years.

Companies want to train, license, and get the driver on the road ASAP. Like any other job, you pay your dues when you first start out. And with electronic log books these days, it will be impossible to be driving too long without the chance of getting busted.

In any event, we currently need over 30,000 drivers industry can't find. They are bringing in foreigners to do the work because they can't find Americans to do it. Some can't speak a word of English and they are terrible drivers to boot.

Once you have a year or two under your belt, the world is yours. You can get excellent paying jobs with great benefits, work for a major carrier if you don't want to go over the road, and never have to worry about being unemployed again.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Which is a good argument for stopping those subsidies for people that want to smoke pot, work low wage jobs, and never try to better themselves.

Why do we allow these intrusions of the Fourth Amendment to get a job? Drug tests?

I really don't know. But drug tests are legal because the employer gets a cut on his Workman's Compensation insurance. According to my employer, Workman's Compensation is one of his largest expenditures. Of course we are a small company.

They are still a violation of the Fourth Amendment.

Then if you have a problem with getting drug tested, sue the employer for your forth amendment violations. "If" a court agrees with you, that will be the end of drug testing.

You definitely don't understand. We live in a country dominated by lawyers. Lawyers are the ones who become judges. Lawyers who want to become judges usually get a recommendation / approval from the American Bar Association (ABA.)

The most liberal organization in the world, outside those connected to the Chinese government or the Kremlin, is the ABA itself. They, like George W. Bush said, feel the Constitution isn't anything but a G.D. piece of paper.

Again, when the Constitution protects you, you'll stand up for it. When it gets in your way, you can always appeal to the nine robed Justices playing God and thinking that they are final say. So much for a government of the people.

So where am I disagreeing with you at? But you'll never get forth amendment protection from drug tests if you (or somebody) doesn't challenge it. I think it's a violation myself, but I'm not a judge and therefore, only play by the rules of the game.

One of my tenants left here about two years go. The couple lived here for several years. Good kids, but both worked fast food jobs to avoid being drug tested. But most better paying jobs do require you to be drug tested, so they are missing out on life just to smoke pot.

 

[Humorme]

Those over 21 making minimum wage in this economy need to quit and look for better pay. There are thousands of CDL jobs out there begging for drivers.

Not to mention some companies will not only train you, but pay you while you learn and a guaranteed job.

. Yeah like someone who told me once that he was getting a sorry flat salary for training, and the lead driver was getting all the pay for the miles he drove ?? Then the lead driver was taking advantage by forcing him to drive far to many miles instead of doing the right thing in the situation ?? The corruption and exploitation is unbelievable in this nation for many, but we all just keep going like there is nothing wrong or nothing to see or hear when we do see or hear it. Then comes the excuses, the never ending excuses. As a mechanic back in the day, I have heard some stories over the years.

Companies want to train, license, and get the driver on the road ASAP. Like any other job, you pay your dues when you first start out. And with electronic log books these days, it will be impossible to be driving too long without the chance of getting busted.

In any event, we currently need over 30,000 drivers industry can't find. They are bringing in foreigners to do the work because they can't find Americans to do it. Some can't speak a word of English and they are terrible drivers to boot.

Once you have a year or two under your belt, the world is yours. You can get excellent paying jobs with great benefits, work for a major carrier if you don't want to go over the road, and never have to worry about being unemployed again.

If you believe what you're peddling, you would start an employment agency and recruit the thousands upon thousands of people that have made a mistake in their lives or have special needs.

I know of one company that not only will not hire truck drivers with a record, but won't hire one that's been divorced! Know this:

Some employers don't want Americans - especially WASPs on their payroll. Even in white collar jobs it's not unusual for employers to advertise for a job with qualifications that NOBODY has so that they can hire foreigners on a special waiver just to get the foreigner in that position.

Case in point. Companies have been known to try and recruit someone with two years experience with a software package that hasn't been in the U.S. but for one year. Then recruit a foreigner claiming that they have the requisite experience.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Those of us on the right don't want to foot any bill. Cut social programs down to the bare bone, and it will force people to work harder and better themselves.

Pardon me, but that is a silly reply. Lots of people simply can't do what you expect... you know anybody with autism, Downs, or is IQ challenged?

Those people are taken care of by our social programs. They don't need to work if they don't want to. Some of them do I suppose, but it's not a necessity or survival.

By cutting social programs, I'm talking about the many who are physically and mentally capable of working, but don't.

Are you being flippant? Some people can work and want to work, but they can't get beyond a certain level with jobs. They won't be the head of Google or a rocket scientist, but they shouldn't have to work for a check that is less than what they could make on disability.

So what you are saying is that employers should overpay everybody because of this tiny fraction of people that you speak of?

For your information, people on disability can still work. Two of my tenants are on disability: one on full disability and the other partial disability. Both have jobs but the allowable income allows them to make a decent living.

Have you been reading my posts?

If a person is on disability AND on drugs (albeit legal) an employer is not going to hire them AND if they don't take the drugs, Socialist Security is not going to approve their disability claim.

If you can prove differently, you are in the wrong line of work.

I won't debate you on that. I'd have to look into it. But it's the first I've ever heard of something like that. How can the state prove somebody is taking the medication they require?

 

[beagle9]

Those over 21 making minimum wage in this economy need to quit and look for better pay. There are thousands of CDL jobs out there begging for drivers.

Not to mention some companies will not only train you, but pay you while you learn and a guaranteed job.

. Yeah like someone who told me once that he was getting a sorry flat salary for training, and the lead driver was getting all the pay for the miles he drove ?? Then the lead driver was taking advantage by forcing him to drive far to many miles instead of doing the right thing in the situation ?? The corruption and exploitation is unbelievable in this nation for many, but we all just keep going like there is nothing wrong or nothing to see or hear when we do see or hear it. Then comes the excuses, the never ending excuses. As a mechanic back in the day, I have heard some stories over the years.

Companies want to train, license, and get the driver on the road ASAP. Like any other job, you pay your dues when you first start out. And with electronic log books these days, it will be impossible to be driving too long without the chance of getting busted.

In any event, we currently need over 30,000 drivers industry can't find. They are bringing in foreigners to do the work because they can't find Americans to do it. Some can't speak a word of English and they are terrible drivers to boot.

Once you have a year or two under your belt, the world is yours. You can get excellent paying jobs with great benefits, work for a major carrier if you don't want to go over the road, and never have to worry about being unemployed again.

. Bringing in foriegners for the reasons stated, is going to be one of the biggest mistakes this country will have made AGAIN. Why not try this - QUIT BEING SO DAMMED CORRUPT IN THIS NATION, AND THE AMERICANS CAN AND WILL DO ANY JOB AVAILABLE, AND DO IT REMARKABLY WELL FOR NOT AS MUCH AS YOU MIGHT WOULD CLAIM THAT THEY WOULD WANT TO DO A JOB. TREAT PEOPLE FAIR AND DECENT, AND QUIT SCREWING THEM OVER, AND YOU WILL SEE AMERICA COME RACING BACK AGAIN.

 

[Papageorgio]

If someone came to a county and wanted a business license, I think that the county commission could say no if the business were not willing to pay their workers.

If the employer creates a job, but isn't going to pay people enough to maintain that area's standard of living, they should not be granted a business permit.

Then those businesses go to the next county that stays the hell out of their business and that county reaps in the tax revenue.

A few years ago our city was considering a huge minimum wage increase. They wanted it $15.00 an hour. Even the liberal council realized what a grave mistake that would have been. They voted it down because they knew businesses would flee Cleveland and reopen in the suburbs.

Since that was a failure, they tried to get the county to have a $15.00 an hour minimum wage. They too refused to go along with the idea for the same reason.

Asked and answered. If people cannot make a realistic wage, they will qualify for welfare, housing subsidies, AFDC, etc. Taxpayers will either pay higher taxes or 15 cents more a meal for a Big Mac.

Which is a good argument for stopping those subsidies for people that want to smoke pot, work low wage jobs, and never try to better themselves.

Why do we allow these intrusions of the Fourth Amendment to get a job? Drug tests?

I really don't know. But drug tests are legal because the employer gets a cut on his Workman's Compensation insurance. According to my employer, Workman's Compensation is one of his largest expenditures. Of course we are a small company.

The USDOT and the FTA require pre-employment and random drug testing at the cost of the employer.

 

[Humorme]

Why do we allow these intrusions of the Fourth Amendment to get a job? Drug tests?

I really don't know. But drug tests are legal because the employer gets a cut on his Workman's Compensation insurance. According to my employer, Workman's Compensation is one of his largest expenditures. Of course we are a small company.

They are still a violation of the Fourth Amendment.

Then if you have a problem with getting drug tested, sue the employer for your forth amendment violations. "If" a court agrees with you, that will be the end of drug testing.

You definitely don't understand. We live in a country dominated by lawyers. Lawyers are the ones who become judges. Lawyers who want to become judges usually get a recommendation / approval from the American Bar Association (ABA.)

The most liberal organization in the world, outside those connected to the Chinese government or the Kremlin, is the ABA itself. They, like George W. Bush said, feel the Constitution isn't anything but a G.D. piece of paper.

Again, when the Constitution protects you, you'll stand up for it. When it gets in your way, you can always appeal to the nine robed Justices playing God and thinking that they are final say. So much for a government of the people.

So where am I disagreeing with you at? But you'll never get forth amendment protection from drug tests if you (or somebody) doesn't challenge it. I think it's a violation myself, but I'm not a judge and therefore, only play by the rules of the game.

One of my tenants left here about two years go. The couple lived here for several years. Good kids, but both worked fast food jobs to avoid being drug tested. But most better paying jobs do require you to be drug tested, so they are missing out on life just to smoke pot.

On one level, it's a lifestyle choice. At the other end of the spectrum if they can perform the job, what they do in their spare time should be of no consequence.

Since pot smokers are not a protected class, the discrimination is "legal." Now take that precedent a step further. If you can discriminate against potheads, a background check might reveal a person is a racist, belongs to an unprotected religious group, owns a firearm, or attends non-traditional political rallies.

The courts are the last places we want to end up. Government solutions are NEVER as good as those we create ourselves.

 

[Humorme]

Pardon me, but that is a silly reply. Lots of people simply can't do what you expect... you know anybody with autism, Downs, or is IQ challenged?

Those people are taken care of by our social programs. They don't need to work if they don't want to. Some of them do I suppose, but it's not a necessity or survival.

By cutting social programs, I'm talking about the many who are physically and mentally capable of working, but don't.

Are you being flippant? Some people can work and want to work, but they can't get beyond a certain level with jobs. They won't be the head of Google or a rocket scientist, but they shouldn't have to work for a check that is less than what they could make on disability.

So what you are saying is that employers should overpay everybody because of this tiny fraction of people that you speak of?

For your information, people on disability can still work. Two of my tenants are on disability: one on full disability and the other partial disability. Both have jobs but the allowable income allows them to make a decent living.

Have you been reading my posts?

If a person is on disability AND on drugs (albeit legal) an employer is not going to hire them AND if they don't take the drugs, Socialist Security is not going to approve their disability claim.

If you can prove differently, you are in the wrong line of work.

I won't debate you on that. I'd have to look into it. But it's the first I've ever heard of something like that. How can the state prove somebody is taking the medication they require?

I don't understand your post, but a drug test says a person is taking drugs. If you don't need the drug, but have to take it in order to get a disability check, the employer knows.

But, the employer can STILL deny you the job if you're using a mind altering drug. If you don't NEED the drug, why is the government pushing them onto people?

Fact: 80 percent of the WORLD'S opioids are consumed by Americans

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Those over 21 making minimum wage in this economy need to quit and look for better pay. There are thousands of CDL jobs out there begging for drivers.

Not to mention some companies will not only train you, but pay you while you learn and a guaranteed job.

. Yeah like someone who told me once that he was getting a sorry flat salary for training, and the lead driver was getting all the pay for the miles he drove ?? Then the lead driver was taking advantage by forcing him to drive far to many miles instead of doing the right thing in the situation ?? The corruption and exploitation is unbelievable in this nation for many, but we all just keep going like there is nothing wrong or nothing to see or hear when we do see or hear it. Then comes the excuses, the never ending excuses. As a mechanic back in the day, I have heard some stories over the years.

Companies want to train, license, and get the driver on the road ASAP. Like any other job, you pay your dues when you first start out. And with electronic log books these days, it will be impossible to be driving too long without the chance of getting busted.

In any event, we currently need over 30,000 drivers industry can't find. They are bringing in foreigners to do the work because they can't find Americans to do it. Some can't speak a word of English and they are terrible drivers to boot.

Once you have a year or two under your belt, the world is yours. You can get excellent paying jobs with great benefits, work for a major carrier if you don't want to go over the road, and never have to worry about being unemployed again.

If you believe what you're peddling, you would start an employment agency and recruit the thousands upon thousands of people that have made a mistake in their lives or have special needs.

I know of one company that not only will not hire truck drivers with a record, but won't hire one that's been divorced! Know this:

Some employers don't want Americans - especially WASPs on their payroll. Even in white collar jobs it's not unusual for employers to advertise for a job with qualifications that NOBODY has so that they can hire foreigners on a special waiver just to get the foreigner in that position.

Case in point. Companies have been known to try and recruit someone with two years experience with a software package that hasn't been in the U.S. but for one year. Then recruit a foreigner claiming that they have the requisite experience.

Look......I've been in this business for a very long time. I know WTF I'm talking about. It's very often I run into drivers with good paying companies asking me if I'd be interested working for their company. They can't find enough people no matter what they do. Too many Americans are sitting home with their Obama phone and food stamps. They don't want to work. My employer is looking for a new driver now to replace the one leaving next week. He's going to have a hell of a time like he always does. The few people willing to work can't pass a drug test though.

Nobody is looking for foreigners. Any company will be happy to hire an American over a foreigner. Hell, they'll be happy to hire anybody that will take the job for that matter.