To those saying flipping burgers or dunking fries deserves 15.00 per hour...

[Markle]

They are still a violation of the Fourth Amendment.

Obviously, you are wrong as the Supreme Court disagrees with you.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Why do we allow these intrusions of the Fourth Amendment to get a job? Drug tests?

Are you saying that a drug test infringes on someone's Fourth Amendment rights?

i think it does in a way. The drug tests they give you are not for finding out if you are intoxicated on the job. Pot stays in your system for weeks and even up to a month. So what they are testing for is what you do on your own free time. You could be on vacation for two weeks, come back to work, and lose your job because you smoked some pot within those two weeks.

 

[Rustic]

A living wage is code for getting something for doing nothing... socialism.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Not to mention some companies will not only train you, but pay you while you learn and a guaranteed job.

. Yeah like someone who told me once that he was getting a sorry flat salary for training, and the lead driver was getting all the pay for the miles he drove ?? Then the lead driver was taking advantage by forcing him to drive far to many miles instead of doing the right thing in the situation ?? The corruption and exploitation is unbelievable in this nation for many, but we all just keep going like there is nothing wrong or nothing to see or hear when we do see or hear it. Then comes the excuses, the never ending excuses. As a mechanic back in the day, I have heard some stories over the years.

Companies want to train, license, and get the driver on the road ASAP. Like any other job, you pay your dues when you first start out. And with electronic log books these days, it will be impossible to be driving too long without the chance of getting busted.

In any event, we currently need over 30,000 drivers industry can't find. They are bringing in foreigners to do the work because they can't find Americans to do it. Some can't speak a word of English and they are terrible drivers to boot.

Once you have a year or two under your belt, the world is yours. You can get excellent paying jobs with great benefits, work for a major carrier if you don't want to go over the road, and never have to worry about being unemployed again.

If you believe what you're peddling, you would start an employment agency and recruit the thousands upon thousands of people that have made a mistake in their lives or have special needs.

I know of one company that not only will not hire truck drivers with a record, but won't hire one that's been divorced! Know this:

Some employers don't want Americans - especially WASPs on their payroll. Even in white collar jobs it's not unusual for employers to advertise for a job with qualifications that NOBODY has so that they can hire foreigners on a special waiver just to get the foreigner in that position.

Case in point. Companies have been known to try and recruit someone with two years experience with a software package that hasn't been in the U.S. but for one year. Then recruit a foreigner claiming that they have the requisite experience.

Look......I've been in this business for a very long time. I know WTF I'm talking about. It's very often I run into drivers with good paying companies asking me if I'd be interested working for their company. They can't find enough people no matter what they do. Too many Americans are sitting home with their Obama phone and food stamps. They don't want to work. My employer is looking for a new driver now to replace the one leaving next week. He's going to have a hell of a time like he always does. The few people willing to work can't pass a drug test though.

Nobody is looking for foreigners. Any company will be happy to hire an American over a foreigner. Hell, they'll be happy to hire anybody that will take the job for that matter.

Being in the industry, I concur. I am constantly putting up ads for new drivers and the driver shortage is only getting worse. As the unemployment rate falls, the ability to get mediocre drivers is difficult, if you have a good driver...you don't let him go!

You would be surprised at some of the dopes I work with. What choice does my employer have? He has to hire somebody for the job. If they're a little goofy but can pass a drug test and they have a clean driving record? My employer tolerates it.

 

[francoHFW]

A living wage is code for getting something for doing nothing... socialism.

It means getting paid enough to survive when working... How is that doing nothing? Lol!

 

[Markle]

Typical right wing propaganda. Congress enacts private laws. I don't have to define anything. There is no appeal to ignorance of the law.

I have no clue as to the meaning of a "private law". To me, a "private law" would be a law made by General Motors for GM employees. That wouldn't be a law but rather a company policy.

 

[Markle]

Who cares about McDonalds. I could care less if they all shut their doors...it would be comical.

You're one sick puppy! Seek help!

 

[initforme]

You make me laugh. Like anybody cares how mcdonalds fares. People don't care one iota.

 

[Markle]

You are an advocate of government when government works specifically for you, but government is the enemy anytime it attempts to work somehow for all others within this vast country in which we all live in right ? Hey, I'm for a merit based society for the most part, and I'm for a free one at that, but I'm also for recognizing decency standards, and human rights, along with freedom, liberty, and justice for all.

So Socialism fits you perfectly!

. Good grief.. Get help.

I'm not the one advocating for Socialism.

. I'm not either.

Why do we allow these intrusions of the Fourth Amendment to get a job? Drug tests?

Are you saying that a drug test infringes on someone's Fourth Amendment rights?

i think it does in a way. The drug tests they give you are not for finding out if you are intoxicated on the job. Pot stays in your system for weeks and even up to a month. So what they are testing for is what you do on your own free time. You could be on vacation for two weeks, come back to work, and lose your job because you smoked some pot within those two weeks.

Simple solution. Don't smoke marijuana. Problem solved. I'm an old codger, I've never had a job where a requirement was a drug test nor have I ever smoked anything.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You are an advocate of government when government works specifically for you, but government is the enemy anytime it attempts to work somehow for all others within this vast country in which we all live in right ? Hey, I'm for a merit based society for the most part, and I'm for a free one at that, but I'm also for recognizing decency standards, and human rights, along with freedom, liberty, and justice for all.

So Socialism fits you perfectly!

. Good grief.. Get help.

I'm not the one advocating for Socialism.

. I'm not either.

Why do we allow these intrusions of the Fourth Amendment to get a job? Drug tests?

Are you saying that a drug test infringes on someone's Fourth Amendment rights?

i think it does in a way. The drug tests they give you are not for finding out if you are intoxicated on the job. Pot stays in your system for weeks and even up to a month. So what they are testing for is what you do on your own free time. You could be on vacation for two weeks, come back to work, and lose your job because you smoked some pot within those two weeks.

Simple solution. Don't smoke marijuana. Problem solved. I'm an old codger, I've never had a job where a requirement was a drug test nor have I ever smoked anything.

I smoked when I was younger, but my real love is beer and still is. Had to give it up anyway because it's a federal regulation I get drug tested.

It's less the article in question than it is the practice of it. I'm against employers testing for drug usage just as I would be if they were allowed to tap into your phone; that is of course unless they were testing explicitly for intoxication on the job.

The Constitution was for what government could not do to you--not what employers could not do to you. It's just like freedom of speech at work. We don't have freedom of speech at work. So I would question Humoreme's charge that drug testing is a violation of our Forth amendment rights unless it was government doing the testing such as in my case.

 

[Humorme]

Are you being flippant? Some people can work and want to work, but they can't get beyond a certain level with jobs. They won't be the head of Google or a rocket scientist, but they shouldn't have to work for a check that is less than what they could make on disability.

So what you are saying is that employers should overpay everybody because of this tiny fraction of people that you speak of?

For your information, people on disability can still work. Two of my tenants are on disability: one on full disability and the other partial disability. Both have jobs but the allowable income allows them to make a decent living.

Have you been reading my posts?

If a person is on disability AND on drugs (albeit legal) an employer is not going to hire them AND if they don't take the drugs, Socialist Security is not going to approve their disability claim.

If you can prove differently, you are in the wrong line of work.

I won't debate you on that. I'd have to look into it. But it's the first I've ever heard of something like that. How can the state prove somebody is taking the medication they require?

I don't understand your post, but a drug test says a person is taking drugs. If you don't need the drug, but have to take it in order to get a disability check, the employer knows.

But, the employer can STILL deny you the job if you're using a mind altering drug. If you don't NEED the drug, why is the government pushing them onto people?

Fact: 80 percent of the WORLD'S opioids are consumed by Americans

My tenant (full time disability) does take drugs for mental conditions, and he's working all kinds of hours. In fact they always beg him to work more but he can't because he maxes out his income level every month.

To my knowledge, the state has no idea whether you are taking medications or not. Even if they checked up on you, all they might be able to tell is if they were purchased or not.

And if they figured out a person wasn't taking the drugs??? Can you say illegal?

 

[Humorme]

. Yeah like someone who told me once that he was getting a sorry flat salary for training, and the lead driver was getting all the pay for the miles he drove ?? Then the lead driver was taking advantage by forcing him to drive far to many miles instead of doing the right thing in the situation ?? The corruption and exploitation is unbelievable in this nation for many, but we all just keep going like there is nothing wrong or nothing to see or hear when we do see or hear it. Then comes the excuses, the never ending excuses. As a mechanic back in the day, I have heard some stories over the years.

Companies want to train, license, and get the driver on the road ASAP. Like any other job, you pay your dues when you first start out. And with electronic log books these days, it will be impossible to be driving too long without the chance of getting busted.

In any event, we currently need over 30,000 drivers industry can't find. They are bringing in foreigners to do the work because they can't find Americans to do it. Some can't speak a word of English and they are terrible drivers to boot.

Once you have a year or two under your belt, the world is yours. You can get excellent paying jobs with great benefits, work for a major carrier if you don't want to go over the road, and never have to worry about being unemployed again.

If you believe what you're peddling, you would start an employment agency and recruit the thousands upon thousands of people that have made a mistake in their lives or have special needs.

I know of one company that not only will not hire truck drivers with a record, but won't hire one that's been divorced! Know this:

Some employers don't want Americans - especially WASPs on their payroll. Even in white collar jobs it's not unusual for employers to advertise for a job with qualifications that NOBODY has so that they can hire foreigners on a special waiver just to get the foreigner in that position.

Case in point. Companies have been known to try and recruit someone with two years experience with a software package that hasn't been in the U.S. but for one year. Then recruit a foreigner claiming that they have the requisite experience.

Look......I've been in this business for a very long time. I know WTF I'm talking about. It's very often I run into drivers with good paying companies asking me if I'd be interested working for their company. They can't find enough people no matter what they do. Too many Americans are sitting home with their Obama phone and food stamps. They don't want to work. My employer is looking for a new driver now to replace the one leaving next week. He's going to have a hell of a time like he always does. The few people willing to work can't pass a drug test though.

Nobody is looking for foreigners. Any company will be happy to hire an American over a foreigner. Hell, they'll be happy to hire anybody that will take the job for that matter.

Some companies may actually WANT to hire the American and my example isn't about just trucking. You missed that software package reference.

I have written model legislation that addresses what you're talking about. A state senator is going to present it to the governor when the legislature meets. PM me and I'll give you an idea that would help employers find qualified Americans.

We have a two-fold problem in this country when it comes to finding workers: social programs and parents allowing their kids to live with them forever.

If a person doesn't have a real need to work, they won't. Years ago parents wouldn't put up with that nonsense from their children. If the kid wasn't in college and not working, they kicked him out of the house. That was it. Not many places drug tested either back then.

So most everybody went out and got a job.....any job. In a younger day, it was very often I worked six to seven days a week, had two jobs, or worked 10 to 12 hour days. Not a lot of people do that any longer. If they can't make it on 40 hours a week, too bad. They'll apply for some social program to fill in the gaps if any.

And, unfortunately, unable to then cope, a lot of those lazy asses end up in prison where we could take the opportunity to readjust their thinking and ethics.

 

[Humorme]

Not to mention some companies will not only train you, but pay you while you learn and a guaranteed job.

. Yeah like someone who told me once that he was getting a sorry flat salary for training, and the lead driver was getting all the pay for the miles he drove ?? Then the lead driver was taking advantage by forcing him to drive far to many miles instead of doing the right thing in the situation ?? The corruption and exploitation is unbelievable in this nation for many, but we all just keep going like there is nothing wrong or nothing to see or hear when we do see or hear it. Then comes the excuses, the never ending excuses. As a mechanic back in the day, I have heard some stories over the years.

Companies want to train, license, and get the driver on the road ASAP. Like any other job, you pay your dues when you first start out. And with electronic log books these days, it will be impossible to be driving too long without the chance of getting busted.

In any event, we currently need over 30,000 drivers industry can't find. They are bringing in foreigners to do the work because they can't find Americans to do it. Some can't speak a word of English and they are terrible drivers to boot.

Once you have a year or two under your belt, the world is yours. You can get excellent paying jobs with great benefits, work for a major carrier if you don't want to go over the road, and never have to worry about being unemployed again.

If you believe what you're peddling, you would start an employment agency and recruit the thousands upon thousands of people that have made a mistake in their lives or have special needs.

I know of one company that not only will not hire truck drivers with a record, but won't hire one that's been divorced! Know this:

Some employers don't want Americans - especially WASPs on their payroll. Even in white collar jobs it's not unusual for employers to advertise for a job with qualifications that NOBODY has so that they can hire foreigners on a special waiver just to get the foreigner in that position.

Case in point. Companies have been known to try and recruit someone with two years experience with a software package that hasn't been in the U.S. but for one year. Then recruit a foreigner claiming that they have the requisite experience.

Look......I've been in this business for a very long time. I know WTF I'm talking about. It's very often I run into drivers with good paying companies asking me if I'd be interested working for their company. They can't find enough people no matter what they do. Too many Americans are sitting home with their Obama phone and food stamps. They don't want to work. My employer is looking for a new driver now to replace the one leaving next week. He's going to have a hell of a time like he always does. The few people willing to work can't pass a drug test though.

Nobody is looking for foreigners. Any company will be happy to hire an American over a foreigner. Hell, they'll be happy to hire anybody that will take the job for that matter.

. Well once those foriegners you talked crap about, have been exploited for say 5 to 10 years out, then wa-la we will have yet another crying whining group who will claim that they got abused by that mean nasty ole whitey who had white privilege to do onto them anything they dam well pleased. Then What ???? I know, how about beginning to respect labor or drivers etc. again in this nation, and quit screwing them over, and clean up the mess that has been made by the greedy who took this nation into the pit of hell in which you are on here now giving testimony too ?? Do you realize that you are living testimony of a system that has come to a climax in corruption, and this is why you have to make your claim that the industry is suffering badly now when it comes to drivers needed ??

Are you for or against the free market?

 

[Humorme]

but make a big deal out of paying a little more for a burger so that some child don't end up on welfare, costing you even more?

Other than money, what is the single most important difference between a child being raised in poverty and a child being raised above the poverty level?

What's your point?

Are you afraid to answer and admit you know the real problem? Come on show some courage!

No guts, no glory!

The REAL problem has never been addressed on these boards nor by the MSM

 

[Humorme]

They are still a violation of the Fourth Amendment.

Obviously, you are wrong as the Supreme Court disagrees with you.

Did you know that the United States Supreme Court never reversed Dred Scott v Sanford?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Companies want to train, license, and get the driver on the road ASAP. Like any other job, you pay your dues when you first start out. And with electronic log books these days, it will be impossible to be driving too long without the chance of getting busted.

In any event, we currently need over 30,000 drivers industry can't find. They are bringing in foreigners to do the work because they can't find Americans to do it. Some can't speak a word of English and they are terrible drivers to boot.

Once you have a year or two under your belt, the world is yours. You can get excellent paying jobs with great benefits, work for a major carrier if you don't want to go over the road, and never have to worry about being unemployed again.

If you believe what you're peddling, you would start an employment agency and recruit the thousands upon thousands of people that have made a mistake in their lives or have special needs.

I know of one company that not only will not hire truck drivers with a record, but won't hire one that's been divorced! Know this:

Some employers don't want Americans - especially WASPs on their payroll. Even in white collar jobs it's not unusual for employers to advertise for a job with qualifications that NOBODY has so that they can hire foreigners on a special waiver just to get the foreigner in that position.

Case in point. Companies have been known to try and recruit someone with two years experience with a software package that hasn't been in the U.S. but for one year. Then recruit a foreigner claiming that they have the requisite experience.

Look......I've been in this business for a very long time. I know WTF I'm talking about. It's very often I run into drivers with good paying companies asking me if I'd be interested working for their company. They can't find enough people no matter what they do. Too many Americans are sitting home with their Obama phone and food stamps. They don't want to work. My employer is looking for a new driver now to replace the one leaving next week. He's going to have a hell of a time like he always does. The few people willing to work can't pass a drug test though.

Nobody is looking for foreigners. Any company will be happy to hire an American over a foreigner. Hell, they'll be happy to hire anybody that will take the job for that matter.

Some companies may actually WANT to hire the American and my example isn't about just trucking. You missed that software package reference.

I have written model legislation that addresses what you're talking about. A state senator is going to present it to the governor when the legislature meets. PM me and I'll give you an idea that would help employers find qualified Americans.

We have a two-fold problem in this country when it comes to finding workers: social programs and parents allowing their kids to live with them forever.

If a person doesn't have a real need to work, they won't. Years ago parents wouldn't put up with that nonsense from their children. If the kid wasn't in college and not working, they kicked him out of the house. That was it. Not many places drug tested either back then.

So most everybody went out and got a job.....any job. In a younger day, it was very often I worked six to seven days a week, had two jobs, or worked 10 to 12 hour days. Not a lot of people do that any longer. If they can't make it on 40 hours a week, too bad. They'll apply for some social program to fill in the gaps if any.

And, unfortunately, unable to then cope, a lot of those lazy asses end up in prison where we could take the opportunity to readjust their thinking and ethics.

It didn't happen years ago. Tough love was the name of the game and for the most part, it worked. From young on you were taught that the only way to put food on the table was to work for it--not have taxpayers work for it.

People years ago also had more integrity and shame. Even if they were in need, they declined any help because it was an admission of failure. Today, people in the grocery store proudly whip out that SNAP's card while paying cash for their alcohol, cigarettes, flowers, greeting cards, and huge bags of dog food and cat litter. Then they load their goodies in a late model SUV without blinking an eye.

 

[Humorme]

So Socialism fits you perfectly!

. Good grief.. Get help.

I'm not the one advocating for Socialism.

. I'm not either.

Why do we allow these intrusions of the Fourth Amendment to get a job? Drug tests?

Are you saying that a drug test infringes on someone's Fourth Amendment rights?

i think it does in a way. The drug tests they give you are not for finding out if you are intoxicated on the job. Pot stays in your system for weeks and even up to a month. So what they are testing for is what you do on your own free time. You could be on vacation for two weeks, come back to work, and lose your job because you smoked some pot within those two weeks.

Simple solution. Don't smoke marijuana. Problem solved. I'm an old codger, I've never had a job where a requirement was a drug test nor have I ever smoked anything.

I smoked when I was younger, but my real love is beer and still is. Had to give it up anyway because it's a federal regulation I get drug tested.

It's less the article in question than it is the practice of it. I'm against employers testing for drug usage just as I would be if they were allowed to tap into your phone; that is of course unless they were testing explicitly for intoxication on the job.

The Constitution was for what government could not do to you--not what employers could not do to you. It's just like freedom of speech at work. We don't have freedom of speech at work. So I would question Humoreme's charge that drug testing is a violation of our Forth amendment rights unless it was government doing the testing such as in my case.

The liberals have invaded the thought process of both the left and the right.

First, as a practical concern, why would you advocate a societal position that is inconsistent with what you hold your elected leaders accountable for?

A man spends his entire life thinking that since he is in the private sector he has no duty to a person's constitutional guarantees. Then the guy becomes a cop or a politician and you expect a different ethical standard. No wonder America is screwed up.

You really need for me to give you an education in Rights. The United States Supreme Court may have assumed the role of God and displaced the peoples prerogative, but if you keep that attitude, you'll get the politicians you deserve because they are a reflection of who we are as a people.

 

[Humorme]

If you believe what you're peddling, you would start an employment agency and recruit the thousands upon thousands of people that have made a mistake in their lives or have special needs.

I know of one company that not only will not hire truck drivers with a record, but won't hire one that's been divorced! Know this:

Some employers don't want Americans - especially WASPs on their payroll. Even in white collar jobs it's not unusual for employers to advertise for a job with qualifications that NOBODY has so that they can hire foreigners on a special waiver just to get the foreigner in that position.

Case in point. Companies have been known to try and recruit someone with two years experience with a software package that hasn't been in the U.S. but for one year. Then recruit a foreigner claiming that they have the requisite experience.

Look......I've been in this business for a very long time. I know WTF I'm talking about. It's very often I run into drivers with good paying companies asking me if I'd be interested working for their company. They can't find enough people no matter what they do. Too many Americans are sitting home with their Obama phone and food stamps. They don't want to work. My employer is looking for a new driver now to replace the one leaving next week. He's going to have a hell of a time like he always does. The few people willing to work can't pass a drug test though.

Nobody is looking for foreigners. Any company will be happy to hire an American over a foreigner. Hell, they'll be happy to hire anybody that will take the job for that matter.

Some companies may actually WANT to hire the American and my example isn't about just trucking. You missed that software package reference.

I have written model legislation that addresses what you're talking about. A state senator is going to present it to the governor when the legislature meets. PM me and I'll give you an idea that would help employers find qualified Americans.

We have a two-fold problem in this country when it comes to finding workers: social programs and parents allowing their kids to live with them forever.

If a person doesn't have a real need to work, they won't. Years ago parents wouldn't put up with that nonsense from their children. If the kid wasn't in college and not working, they kicked him out of the house. That was it. Not many places drug tested either back then.

So most everybody went out and got a job.....any job. In a younger day, it was very often I worked six to seven days a week, had two jobs, or worked 10 to 12 hour days. Not a lot of people do that any longer. If they can't make it on 40 hours a week, too bad. They'll apply for some social program to fill in the gaps if any.

And, unfortunately, unable to then cope, a lot of those lazy asses end up in prison where we could take the opportunity to readjust their thinking and ethics.

It didn't happen years ago. Tough love was the name of the game and for the most part, it worked. From young on you were taught that the only way to put food on the table was to work for it--not have taxpayers work for it.

People years ago also had more integrity and shame. Even if they were in need, they declined any help because it was an admission of failure. Today, people in the grocery store proudly whip out that SNAP's card while paying cash for their alcohol, cigarettes, flowers, greeting cards, and huge bags of dog food and cat litter. Then they load their goodies in a late model SUV without blinking an eye.

I don't disagree with you that a problem exists. It's understanding it and applying the proper solution where we part ways.

BTW, my wife has an entire generation of welfarites in her family. If you put me in charge of that lot of misfits, they would have an entirely new attitude and understanding inside of a month.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So what you are saying is that employers should overpay everybody because of this tiny fraction of people that you speak of?

For your information, people on disability can still work. Two of my tenants are on disability: one on full disability and the other partial disability. Both have jobs but the allowable income allows them to make a decent living.

Have you been reading my posts?

If a person is on disability AND on drugs (albeit legal) an employer is not going to hire them AND if they don't take the drugs, Socialist Security is not going to approve their disability claim.

If you can prove differently, you are in the wrong line of work.

I won't debate you on that. I'd have to look into it. But it's the first I've ever heard of something like that. How can the state prove somebody is taking the medication they require?

I don't understand your post, but a drug test says a person is taking drugs. If you don't need the drug, but have to take it in order to get a disability check, the employer knows.

But, the employer can STILL deny you the job if you're using a mind altering drug. If you don't NEED the drug, why is the government pushing them onto people?

Fact: 80 percent of the WORLD'S opioids are consumed by Americans

My tenant (full time disability) does take drugs for mental conditions, and he's working all kinds of hours. In fact they always beg him to work more but he can't because he maxes out his income level every month.

To my knowledge, the state has no idea whether you are taking medications or not. Even if they checked up on you, all they might be able to tell is if they were purchased or not.

And if they figured out a person wasn't taking the drugs??? Can you say illegal?

I never heard of a disability requirement that says a person has to be incapacitated on drugs to receive disability. I inquired about disability a few years ago. They seemed to be pretty liberal and even encouraging.

As I stated, my tenant is bipolar, and he never mentioned anything about being forced on drugs to continue his benefits. He also has physical problems on top of that which require medication as well.

 

[Humorme]

Have you been reading my posts?

If a person is on disability AND on drugs (albeit legal) an employer is not going to hire them AND if they don't take the drugs, Socialist Security is not going to approve their disability claim.

If you can prove differently, you are in the wrong line of work.

I won't debate you on that. I'd have to look into it. But it's the first I've ever heard of something like that. How can the state prove somebody is taking the medication they require?

I don't understand your post, but a drug test says a person is taking drugs. If you don't need the drug, but have to take it in order to get a disability check, the employer knows.

But, the employer can STILL deny you the job if you're using a mind altering drug. If you don't NEED the drug, why is the government pushing them onto people?

Fact: 80 percent of the WORLD'S opioids are consumed by Americans

My tenant (full time disability) does take drugs for mental conditions, and he's working all kinds of hours. In fact they always beg him to work more but he can't because he maxes out his income level every month.

To my knowledge, the state has no idea whether you are taking medications or not. Even if they checked up on you, all they might be able to tell is if they were purchased or not.

And if they figured out a person wasn't taking the drugs??? Can you say illegal?

I never heard of a disability requirement that says a person has to be incapacitated on drugs to receive disability. I inquired about disability a few years ago. They seemed to be pretty liberal and even encouraging.

As I stated, my tenant is bipolar, and he never mentioned anything about being forced on drugs to continue his benefits. He also has physical problems on top of that which require medication as well.

I kid you not. Socialist Security told my wife's son by a previous marriage that he had to be on SSRIs with his diagnosed autism.

If we have to get to the point that we have to lie to the government, where do you think our ethical standards, as a people, is headed? And do we keep those overpaid bureaucrats in jobs pretending to be doing something just to help the disadvantaged get a hand up?