Today, somebody broke the law

[Valerie]

Dude, quit while you're ahead.

There is no need for you to go on defense.

One of the shooters has a Muslim sounding name.

This means you can go on offense.

Don't ever act defensive when you don't have to.

(In poker we call that a "tell")

(In poker we call that a "tell")


doood wake up, this is not poker, nor is it a GAME.




San Bernardino Police Chief Jarrod Burguan said one man and one woman were killed when police chased the suspects' SUV and exchanged fire.

Burguan said the man and woman were dressed in "assault-style clothing" and carried "assault-style rifles" and handguns. He did not know their ages or their relationship.

Burguan did not discuss a possible motive, although he did say that there had been some sort of dispute at a holiday party at the center and one person had left the gathering. He cautioned that police did not know that if the person who left the party was one of the people who returned and opened fire.

Farook was employed by the San Bernardino County health department as an environmental health specialist. His name has also been reported as Sayed Rizwan Farooq.

A source tells Dina that witnesses appeared to recognize his voice and build even though he was wearing a ski mask. His brother, a source told Dina, is also a subject of the investigation.


"We followed up on some tips that took us to a residence in the city of Redlands," Burguan said. "When officers were setting up on that residence to watch it, there was a vehicle that was seen leaving that was suspected of being involved. There ended up being a pursuit ... the suspects' vehicle stopped and there was an officer-involved shooting."

2 Suspects Dead After San Bernardino Shooting That Killed 14

 

[Valerie]

Consider the history of gun control since 1994. You have already lost forever.

that's a loser mindset...

i thought you jokers actually cared about America being great.. again?

 

[Valerie]

some of you care so much about some imaginary government threat to your "rights", you've convinced yourselves in your ignorant paranoid echo chambers, that incidents of massive assault on innocent Americans somehow PROVES that there is absolutely NO WAY for "we the people" to try to diminish massive assaults on innocent Americans.

oh well, somebody broke a law, so what good is rule-of-law anyway??

 

[Eaglewings]

Shooter Identified
According to his LinkedIn profile, Farook [Arabic ] was an American and business taxes representative for the California State Board of Equalization. He is a 2003 graduate La Sierra High School. The report also said Farook recently studied finance at California State University Fullerton until 2013.

 

[TexM3]

What's the plan?

Constitutional carry would put a stop to this.

 

[ScienceRocks]

What's the plan?

Constitutional carry would put a stop to this.

m-16? With some body armor for everyone.

 

[OKTexas]

some of you care so much about some imaginary government threat to your "rights", you've convinced yourselves in your ignorant paranoid echo chambers, that incidents of massive assault on innocent Americans somehow PROVES that there is absolutely NO WAY way for "we the people" to try to diminish massive assaults on innocent Americans.

oh well, somebody broke a law, so what good is rule-of-law anyway??

You want an absolute cure, require the police to stop and search everyone, every time they leave their home or job/school, that would do it. The question is do you want to live in a place like that?

 

[TexM3]

What's the plan?

Constitutional carry would put a stop to this.

m-16? With some body armor for everyone.

If you want, but a simple hand gun would do.

 

[Valerie]

As the assault weapon ban vote neared, Reagan — who as president had signed 1986 legislation loosening restrictions on guns — wrote a letter with former Presidents Ford and Carter to the House of Representatives urging them to vote in favor of the ban.

“We are writing to urge your support for a ban on the domestic manufacture of military-style assault weapons. This is a matter of vital importance to the public safety,” the letter said.

“While we recognize that assault weapon legislation will not stop all assault weapon crime, statistics prove that we can dry up the supply of these guns, making them less accessible to criminals. We urge you to listen to the American public and to the law enforcement community and support a ban on the further manufacture of these weapons,” the letter said concluding.

The Assault Weapon Ban Would Have Never Passed If It Wasn't For Ronald Reagan

 

[Valerie]

ten years was not a long enough time window for results to prove themselves...

plus greedy manufacturers used loopholes to cheat.



The expiration Monday of a 10-year federal ban on assault weapons means firearms like AK-47s, Uzis and TEC-9s can now be legally bought — a development that has critics upset and gun owners pleased.

The 1994 ban, signed by then President Clinton, outlawed 19 types of military-style assault weapons. A clause directed that the ban expire unless Congress specifically reauthorized it, which it did not.


Studies done by pro- and anti-gun groups as well as the Justice Department show conflicting results on whether the ban helped reduce crime. Loopholes allowed manufacturers to keep many weapons on the market simply by changing their names or altering some of their features or accessories.

Congress lets assault weapons ban expire

 

[Valerie]

it'll be great when hillary leads the way to reinstating the assault weapons ban...

without any weaselly sunset provision this time!

Did the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban Work?



Hillary Clinton on gun violence prevention


Gun violence prevention
It is past time we act on gun violence.



“I don’t know how we keep seeing shooting after shooting, read about the people murdered because they went to Bible study or they went to the movies or they were just doing their job, and not finally say we’ve got to do something about this.”

Hillary, AUGUST 27, 2015


While gun ownership is part of the fabric of many law-abiding communities, too many families in America have suffered from gun violence. About 33,000 Americans are killed by guns each year. That is unacceptable. It is a rebuke to this nation we love.

 

[TexM3]

it'll be great when hillary leads the way to reinstating the assault weapons ban...

without any weaselly sunset provision this time!

Did the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban Work?



Hillary Clinton on gun violence prevention


Gun violence prevention
It is past time we act on gun violence.



“I don’t know how we keep seeing shooting after shooting, read about the people murdered because they went to Bible study or they went to the movies or they were just doing their job, and not finally say we’ve got to do something about this.”

Hillary, AUGUST 27, 2015


While gun ownership is part of the fabric of many law-abiding communities, too many families in America have suffered from gun violence. About 33,000 Americans are killed by guns each year. That is unacceptable. It is a rebuke to this nation we love.

Prohibition dose not work.

 

[FA_Q2]

what kind of person doesn't even dare to try? are you a sociopath?

We do want a solution.
The problem is that you don't. You want to push ideology. Gun control is not the answer as homicide trends show. Culture is the source and we need to address that.

Does it not even bother you that your rhetoric is meaningless as this looks more and more like a terrorist action. Unless you are honestly going to push the idea that the solution to terrorism is gun control...

 

[Valerie]

make up your minds, Republicans... don't you support our police departments?

don't you support our civil servants paid for by the tax dollars of "we the people" to protect and serve our communities..?




President's Message: Reauthorization of the Assault Weapons Ban

By Chief Joseph M. Polisar, Garden Grove, California

By the time you read this column, it is highly probable that the federal ban on semiautomatic assault weapons will have expired and once again these weapons will begin to flood our communities and threaten our officers.

First passed in 1994, the assault weapons ban required domestic gun manufacturers to stop production of semiautomatic assault weapons and ammunition magazines holding more than 10 rounds except for military or police use. Imports of assault weapons not already banned by administrative action under Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush were also halted.

Since the law was enacted, the ban has proven remarkably effective in reducing the number of crimes involving assault weapons. Since 1994 the proportion of assault weapons traced to crimes has fallen by a dramatic 66 percent. Public opinion polls continue to prove that more than 75 percent of the public supports a reauthorization of the current ban.

The IACP has been a strong supporter of the assault weapons ban since 1992, and our membership approved a resolution calling for its reauthorization at our 2003 conference. The membership took this action because we, as law enforcement executives, understand that semiautomatic assault weapons pose a grave risk to our officers and the communities they are sworn to protect.

It is deeply troubling that Congress and the administration have so far failed to reauthorize this critically important legislation.

Assault weapons are routinely the weapons of choice for gang members and drug dealers. They are regularly encountered in drug busts and are all too often used against our officers. In fact, one in five law enforcement officers slain in the line of duty between January 1, 1998, and December 31, 2001, was killed with an assault weapon, according to "Officer Down," a report from the Violence Policy Center. The weapons in question—including the Colt AR-15, a semiautomatic version of the M-16 machine gun used by our armed forces, the Uzi, and the Tec-9 pistol, whose manufacturer's advertisements hailed its "fingerprint-resistant" finish—have been used in countless murders such as the Stockton schoolyard and Columbine High School shootings.

Opponents of the assault weapons ban often argue that the ban only outlawed certain weapons because of their "cosmetic features" and not because they are inherently more dangerous than other weapons. This is simply not true.

While most rifles are designed to be fired from the shoulder and depend upon the accuracy of a precisely aimed projectile, semiautomatic assault weapons are designed to maximize lethal effects through a rapid rate of fire. Assault weapons are designed to be spray-fired from the hip, and because of their design a shooter can maintain control of the weapon even while firing many rounds in rapid succession.

The cosmetic features opponents of the ban point to are actually military features such as silencers, flash suppressors, pistol grips, folding stocks, and bayonets that were designed specifically to increase the lethality of these weapons and make them more concealable. Many come equipped with large ammunition magazines allowing 50 or more bullets to be fired without reloading.

Weapons of this nature serve no legitimate sporting or hunting purposes and have no place in our communities. Unless Congress acts, the firearms of choice for terrorists, drug dealers, and gang members will be back on our streets—where, once again, our officers will be outgunned by criminals.

If Congress and the administration fail to reauthorize the assault weapons ban, it will be up to the law enforcement community to demand that it be reinstated. Over the last decade, we have made significant progress in our efforts to reduce violent crime rates. The ban on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines has been a crucial component of our national crime-fighting strategy.

We must not surrender the gains that we have made.

It is vital that we, as police chiefs, take a leading role in this effort. We know the tremendous harm that these weapons can inflict on our communities and we know what the proliferation of these weapons will mean to our officers. We need to be leaders, both in word and in deed, and we must make every effort to ensure that our elected officials understand that failure to reauthorize the assault weapons ban is a significant step back for law enforcement and public safety

Our communities and the officers we lead expect this of us; our duty demands it.

Police Chief Magazine - View Article

 

[TexM3]

make up your minds, Republicans... don't you support our police departments?

don't you support our civil servants paid for by the tax dollars of "we the people" to protect and serve our communities..?




President's Message: Reauthorization of the Assault Weapons Ban

By Chief Joseph M. Polisar, Garden Grove, California

By the time you read this column, it is highly probable that the federal ban on semiautomatic assault weapons will have expired and once again these weapons will begin to flood our communities and threaten our officers.

First passed in 1994, the assault weapons ban required domestic gun manufacturers to stop production of semiautomatic assault weapons and ammunition magazines holding more than 10 rounds except for military or police use. Imports of assault weapons not already banned by administrative action under Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush were also halted.

Since the law was enacted, the ban has proven remarkably effective in reducing the number of crimes involving assault weapons. Since 1994 the proportion of assault weapons traced to crimes has fallen by a dramatic 66 percent. Public opinion polls continue to prove that more than 75 percent of the public supports a reauthorization of the current ban.

The IACP has been a strong supporter of the assault weapons ban since 1992, and our membership approved a resolution calling for its reauthorization at our 2003 conference. The membership took this action because we, as law enforcement executives, understand that semiautomatic assault weapons pose a grave risk to our officers and the communities they are sworn to protect.

It is deeply troubling that Congress and the administration have so far failed to reauthorize this critically important legislation.

Assault weapons are routinely the weapons of choice for gang members and drug dealers. They are regularly encountered in drug busts and are all too often used against our officers. In fact, one in five law enforcement officers slain in the line of duty between January 1, 1998, and December 31, 2001, was killed with an assault weapon, according to "Officer Down," a report from the Violence Policy Center. The weapons in question—including the Colt AR-15, a semiautomatic version of the M-16 machine gun used by our armed forces, the Uzi, and the Tec-9 pistol, whose manufacturer's advertisements hailed its "fingerprint-resistant" finish—have been used in countless murders such as the Stockton schoolyard and Columbine High School shootings.

Opponents of the assault weapons ban often argue that the ban only outlawed certain weapons because of their "cosmetic features" and not because they are inherently more dangerous than other weapons. This is simply not true.

While most rifles are designed to be fired from the shoulder and depend upon the accuracy of a precisely aimed projectile, semiautomatic assault weapons are designed to maximize lethal effects through a rapid rate of fire. Assault weapons are designed to be spray-fired from the hip, and because of their design a shooter can maintain control of the weapon even while firing many rounds in rapid succession.

The cosmetic features opponents of the ban point to are actually military features such as silencers, flash suppressors, pistol grips, folding stocks, and bayonets that were designed specifically to increase the lethality of these weapons and make them more concealable. Many come equipped with large ammunition magazines allowing 50 or more bullets to be fired without reloading.

Weapons of this nature serve no legitimate sporting or hunting purposes and have no place in our communities. Unless Congress acts, the firearms of choice for terrorists, drug dealers, and gang members will be back on our streets—where, once again, our officers will be outgunned by criminals.

If Congress and the administration fail to reauthorize the assault weapons ban, it will be up to the law enforcement community to demand that it be reinstated. Over the last decade, we have made significant progress in our efforts to reduce violent crime rates. The ban on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines has been a crucial component of our national crime-fighting strategy.

We must not surrender the gains that we have made.

It is vital that we, as police chiefs, take a leading role in this effort. We know the tremendous harm that these weapons can inflict on our communities and we know what the proliferation of these weapons will mean to our officers. We need to be leaders, both in word and in deed, and we must make every effort to ensure that our elected officials understand that failure to reauthorize the assault weapons ban is a significant step back for law enforcement and public safety

Our communities and the officers we lead expect this of us; our duty demands it.

Police Chief Magazine - View Article

"Common sense is not so common" - Voltaire
That's ironic coming from you.

 

[Valerie]

the choice between the blood-soaked status quo and the politically impossible is a false one. The academic literature on gun violence reveals a number of common-sense policies that demonstrably save lives.

Three common-sense gun policies that would save lives

 

[Skull Pilot]

Somebody killed people. Lots of people. They didn't care that it's illegal to kill people. They still killed people.

They also used a gun. They didn't care that it was illegal or that California has some of the strictest gun laws in the country, they still did it anyway.

So much for laws. Got anything else?

Hell we ALL commit 3 felonies a day

You, too?

 

[NYcarbineer]

If the gun control movement were to end, what boogey man would the GOP replace it with to frighten people into voting against their best interests?

 

[Skull Pilot]

If the gun control movement were to end, what boogey man would the GOP replace it with to frighten people into voting against their best interests?

Funny the Dems are the biggest fear mongers than anyone I know

 

[kaz]

What's the plan?

That was the question for you, Holmes