Top 8% Own 85%

[Andylusion]

It is because they are colluding to pay less, sending jobs to other countries, importing workers, getting rid of unions....

With the exception of government, unions are a thing of the past. They aren't coming back either.

A company has every right to operate where they desire. That's something you can't stop. It's the nature of the business and has been going on the last few decades.

If you have any undisputed evidence of businesses "colluding" they are so few and far between that it wouldn't put a dent in our economy.

If we want to be great again we need strong unions.

Every company needs to do business in the US. We need to take advantage of that fact and make sure they are created well paying jobs here if they want to be in the biggest economy in the world.

I have given several examples of big companies colluding. Most companies don't get caught, but it is happening.

We need to get rid of non competes. They are anti worker and anti capitalism.

If the people don't want unions, and the workers don't want unions, and the companies don't want unions, why should we have unions?

So you force unions on companies. Then they move overseas or to a Right to Work state and all those employees are out of a job. It's better to have a job that pays less than you'd like than to have no job at all, don't you think?

People have been lied to about unions. They were told the good workers would make more and blah blah blah. Well they all just make less. They will want to be union again.

Well if they want to be union again, don't you think that's their decision and not yours?

My employer told all of us that if we ever unionized, he would close down the business and reopen under a new business name.

You on the left have to understand the Action/Reaction process. If you take a negative action against somebody, you will likely receive a negative reaction.

The reason people don't want unions any longer is because they are the main culprit of job loss in America. We've learned from our mistakes. Yes, it was a gravy train ride for quite a while, but that ride is over. It's time to face reality.

The American consumer will not support good paying monkey jobs. Even McDonald's ordered thousands of kiosks to replace order takers. It won't be long before they automate their food preparation as well.

More and more grocery stores are adding self-serve checkouts. It won't be long until they are all self-serve. Grocery stores at one time had a very strong union and people did monkey jobs and made great money.

I actually know several people fired for even considering Unionizing. And I don't blame the management one bit.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The answer is not that people need to work more:
From 1973 to 2014, net productivity rose 72.2 percent, while the hourly pay of typical workers essentially stagnated—increasing only 9.2 percent over 41 years (after adjusting for inflation). This means that although Americans are working more productively than ever, the fruits of their labors have primarily accrued to those at the top and to corporate profits, especially in recent years.

So what is your point? That businesses should overpay labor and keep less for themselves?

The point is productivity is way up. Your silly claim it is easy to make more and people just need to try harder is false.

That's not the question I asked. If productivity is up, what does that have to do with how much ones labor is worth? Unless an employee has Profit Sharing as a company benefit, it doesn't matter whether the company has a record sales year or made no profit at all.

So you don't think more productive workers should be paid more? Interesting. If workers are more productive they are more valuable to employers and should be paid more.

Bu that's not the workers call nor you or I. That's the call of the business owner.

 

[Andylusion]

You on the right are just plain silly. You applaud the rich making more while everyone else has stagnant wages and then can't understand why those with all the money pay most of the taxes. You can't collect taxes from people who don't have money.

Stagnant wages are the problem of the individual just like making millions is the concern of the individual. One has nothing to do with the other.

So I make millions of dollars a year and you haven't had a raise in three years. How did that become my problem?

When they slow our whole economy it is a problem for all of us.

They're not slowing down anything. You need to get away from those liberal rags like the NYT and understand that it's all a bunch of bull from other people who are also jealous of the wealthy.

I have posted studies from many different sources. I have also laid it out for the very dumb. I should be clear it is a problem. What do you think is the problem and what would you do?

The first thing I would do is stick with a party that promises to cut down these social programs so people will go back to work. The next thing I would do is create a law that anybody caught here illegally is subject to a minimum of five years in prison. The next thing I would do is put a halt to all Visas in this country and stop immigration legal or illegal until wages increased.

That's what I would do.

You do realize that if immigration stopped, we'd end up with a falling population, which would devastate the economy, like Japan.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

With the exception of government, unions are a thing of the past. They aren't coming back either.

A company has every right to operate where they desire. That's something you can't stop. It's the nature of the business and has been going on the last few decades.

If you have any undisputed evidence of businesses "colluding" they are so few and far between that it wouldn't put a dent in our economy.

If we want to be great again we need strong unions.

Every company needs to do business in the US. We need to take advantage of that fact and make sure they are created well paying jobs here if they want to be in the biggest economy in the world.

I have given several examples of big companies colluding. Most companies don't get caught, but it is happening.

We need to get rid of non competes. They are anti worker and anti capitalism.

If the people don't want unions, and the workers don't want unions, and the companies don't want unions, why should we have unions?

So you force unions on companies. Then they move overseas or to a Right to Work state and all those employees are out of a job. It's better to have a job that pays less than you'd like than to have no job at all, don't you think?

People have been lied to about unions. They were told the good workers would make more and blah blah blah. Well they all just make less. They will want to be union again.

Well if they want to be union again, don't you think that's their decision and not yours?

My employer told all of us that if we ever unionized, he would close down the business and reopen under a new business name.

You on the left have to understand the Action/Reaction process. If you take a negative action against somebody, you will likely receive a negative reaction.

The reason people don't want unions any longer is because they are the main culprit of job loss in America. We've learned from our mistakes. Yes, it was a gravy train ride for quite a while, but that ride is over. It's time to face reality.

The American consumer will not support good paying monkey jobs. Even McDonald's ordered thousands of kiosks to replace order takers. It won't be long before they automate their food preparation as well.

More and more grocery stores are adding self-serve checkouts. It won't be long until they are all self-serve. Grocery stores at one time had a very strong union and people did monkey jobs and made great money.

I actually know several people fired for even considering Unionizing. And I don't blame the management one bit.

My boss learned from experience. I can't tell you how many customers we lost because the unions took over the shop, and they had to leave the state or country.

Workers telling management how much they should be paid, how many benefits they should get, is like the prisoners telling the warden how many meals they should get and to open up a movie theater.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Stagnant wages are the problem of the individual just like making millions is the concern of the individual. One has nothing to do with the other.

So I make millions of dollars a year and you haven't had a raise in three years. How did that become my problem?

When they slow our whole economy it is a problem for all of us.

They're not slowing down anything. You need to get away from those liberal rags like the NYT and understand that it's all a bunch of bull from other people who are also jealous of the wealthy.

I have posted studies from many different sources. I have also laid it out for the very dumb. I should be clear it is a problem. What do you think is the problem and what would you do?

The first thing I would do is stick with a party that promises to cut down these social programs so people will go back to work. The next thing I would do is create a law that anybody caught here illegally is subject to a minimum of five years in prison. The next thing I would do is put a halt to all Visas in this country and stop immigration legal or illegal until wages increased.

That's what I would do.

You do realize that if immigration stopped, we'd end up with a falling population, which would devastate the economy, like Japan.

Well, if we don't stop immigration, then what we have is an endless supply of workers.

Workers wages hinge on supply and demand. The more supply and less demand, wages go down. The less supply and more demand, wages go up.

We will never have a time of more demand as long as we have foreigners coming here and taking our jobs for less than satisfactory wage. That's what's keeping our wages down now.

 

[Brain357]

It is because they are colluding to pay less, sending jobs to other countries, importing workers, getting rid of unions....

With the exception of government, unions are a thing of the past. They aren't coming back either.

A company has every right to operate where they desire. That's something you can't stop. It's the nature of the business and has been going on the last few decades.

If you have any undisputed evidence of businesses "colluding" they are so few and far between that it wouldn't put a dent in our economy.

If we want to be great again we need strong unions.

Every company needs to do business in the US. We need to take advantage of that fact and make sure they are created well paying jobs here if they want to be in the biggest economy in the world.

I have given several examples of big companies colluding. Most companies don't get caught, but it is happening.

We need to get rid of non competes. They are anti worker and anti capitalism.

If the people don't want unions, and the workers don't want unions, and the companies don't want unions, why should we have unions?

So you force unions on companies. Then they move overseas or to a Right to Work state and all those employees are out of a job. It's better to have a job that pays less than you'd like than to have no job at all, don't you think?

People have been lied to about unions. They were told the good workers would make more and blah blah blah. Well they all just make less. They will want to be union again.

Well if they want to be union again, don't you think that's their decision and not yours?

My employer told all of us that if we ever unionized, he would close down the business and reopen under a new business name.

You on the left have to understand the Action/Reaction process. If you take a negative action against somebody, you will likely receive a negative reaction.

The reason people don't want unions any longer is because they are the main culprit of job loss in America. We've learned from our mistakes. Yes, it was a gravy train ride for quite a while, but that ride is over. It's time to face reality.

The American consumer will not support good paying monkey jobs. Even McDonald's ordered thousands of kiosks to replace order takers. It won't be long before they automate their food preparation as well.

More and more grocery stores are adding self-serve checkouts. It won't be long until they are all self-serve. Grocery stores at one time had a very strong union and people did monkey jobs and made great money.

What we are quickly learning is that without them wages are stagnant. As that becomes more and more clear they will be back. Sounds like the typical employer scare tactic. Funny stuff.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Our economy may be slow because of stagnant wages, but that has nothing to do with the rich. If the rich made half of what they make today, the economy would still suck. It wouldn't change a thing.

It is because they are colluding to pay less, sending jobs to other countries, importing workers, getting rid of unions....

With the exception of government, unions are a thing of the past. They aren't coming back either.

A company has every right to operate where they desire. That's something you can't stop. It's the nature of the business and has been going on the last few decades.

If you have any undisputed evidence of businesses "colluding" they are so few and far between that it wouldn't put a dent in our economy.

If we want to be great again we need strong unions.

Every company needs to do business in the US. We need to take advantage of that fact and make sure they are created well paying jobs here if they want to be in the biggest economy in the world.

I have given several examples of big companies colluding. Most companies don't get caught, but it is happening.

We need to get rid of non competes. They are anti worker and anti capitalism.

If the people don't want unions, and the workers don't want unions, and the companies don't want unions, why should we have unions?

So you force unions on companies. Then they move overseas or to a Right to Work state and all those employees are out of a job. It's better to have a job that pays less than you'd like than to have no job at all, don't you think?

People have been lied to about unions. They were told the good workers would make more and blah blah blah. Well they all just make less. They will want to be union again.

Yes. More unions would be great!
How did the unions do when they ran United Airlines?
It must have been wicked awesome. Right?

 

[Brain357]

It's cute that you say that, but the reality is the rich are getting richer and wages are stagnant for everyone else. Obviously that is a problem. Our economy is slow because of it.

Our economy may be slow because of stagnant wages, but that has nothing to do with the rich. If the rich made half of what they make today, the economy would still suck. It wouldn't change a thing.

It is because they are colluding to pay less, sending jobs to other countries, importing workers, getting rid of unions....

With the exception of government, unions are a thing of the past. They aren't coming back either.

A company has every right to operate where they desire. That's something you can't stop. It's the nature of the business and has been going on the last few decades.

If you have any undisputed evidence of businesses "colluding" they are so few and far between that it wouldn't put a dent in our economy.

If we want to be great again we need strong unions.

Every company needs to do business in the US. We need to take advantage of that fact and make sure they are created well paying jobs here if they want to be in the biggest economy in the world.

I have given several examples of big companies colluding. Most companies don't get caught, but it is happening.

We need to get rid of non competes. They are anti worker and anti capitalism.

Strong Unions? Are you crazy? ..... Did you learn nothing from 2008?

Which auto companies failed, and went into bankruptcy? Non-Union Toyota and Honda? Or Unionized GM and Chrysler?

Which snack food companies went bankrupt? Non-Union Flowers Foods? Or Unionized Hostess? (By the way, Flower Foods bought up the Hostess plant, which is now non-union).

Unions have ruined every single business they have been involved in. Have you not noticed that the majority of jobs sent over seas, are Union jobs? Non-Union jobs are not leaving the US, they are COMING to the US.

Just punch in "manufacturing plant opened" and you'll get a dozen hits. Airbus recently opened a plant in Alabama. Non-union. Yogurt factory in Idaho. Non-union. Yokohama Tire factory. Non-Union.

Hundreds of hits, very few are union. In fact, without doing detailed research, none of the ones I looked at were union.

It's the UNION JOBS that are being shipped over seas.

You want to ruin this entire country? Just Unionized all the jobs. Great Depression here we come.

You realize Toyota and Honda are Union in Japan right? They just don't care about US workers so they are non union here. And you realize non union auto workers make less than union? Stagnant wages have slowed our entire economy.

Unionizing all jobs would be great for us. Wages would no longer be stagnant. Immigration would no longer be a problem.

 

[Brain357]

It is because they are colluding to pay less, sending jobs to other countries, importing workers, getting rid of unions....

With the exception of government, unions are a thing of the past. They aren't coming back either.

A company has every right to operate where they desire. That's something you can't stop. It's the nature of the business and has been going on the last few decades.

If you have any undisputed evidence of businesses "colluding" they are so few and far between that it wouldn't put a dent in our economy.

If we want to be great again we need strong unions.

Every company needs to do business in the US. We need to take advantage of that fact and make sure they are created well paying jobs here if they want to be in the biggest economy in the world.

I have given several examples of big companies colluding. Most companies don't get caught, but it is happening.

We need to get rid of non competes. They are anti worker and anti capitalism.

If the people don't want unions, and the workers don't want unions, and the companies don't want unions, why should we have unions?

So you force unions on companies. Then they move overseas or to a Right to Work state and all those employees are out of a job. It's better to have a job that pays less than you'd like than to have no job at all, don't you think?

People have been lied to about unions. They were told the good workers would make more and blah blah blah. Well they all just make less. They will want to be union again.

Yes. More unions would be great!
How did the unions do when they ran United Airlines?
It must have been wicked awesome. Right?

Ran united airlines? Why would unions run a company? They help workers get better pay an benefits, not run companies.

 

[Andylusion]

The answer is not that people need to work more:
From 1973 to 2014, net productivity rose 72.2 percent, while the hourly pay of typical workers essentially stagnated—increasing only 9.2 percent over 41 years (after adjusting for inflation). This means that although Americans are working more productively than ever, the fruits of their labors have primarily accrued to those at the top and to corporate profits, especially in recent years.

So what is your point? That businesses should overpay labor and keep less for themselves?

The point is productivity is way up. Your silly claim it is easy to make more and people just need to try harder is false.

Doesn't matter much.

Productivity might be up, ok. So what? There are dozens of factors that go into pay. For example taxes. When you demand that corporations "pay their fair share", which is another way of saying pay more than they should...... How do you expect to pay workers more, if the money is going to government?

Same with unemployment compensation. UnComp rates in Ohio have gone up. As a result the employer is paying the state more, which means they can't pay workers more.

Same with the recent tax hike. Same with health insurance mandates. Same with all the rest of the crap government has piled on corporation.

You think a business owners is going to give his employees a pay raise, when he's already paying out more?

CNN did a report on this. The cost to the employer is significantly higher, than the "base pay" is. And this is an old story too. I wager the numbers are worse since Obama Care came into full effect.

See this is where you get messed up. The employer *IS* paying more and more for labor, it's just going to the government and all these mandates and fees. Then you complain wages haven't gone up. Yeah, they haven't because of YOU.

 

[Brain357]

When they slow our whole economy it is a problem for all of us.

They're not slowing down anything. You need to get away from those liberal rags like the NYT and understand that it's all a bunch of bull from other people who are also jealous of the wealthy.

I have posted studies from many different sources. I have also laid it out for the very dumb. I should be clear it is a problem. What do you think is the problem and what would you do?

The first thing I would do is stick with a party that promises to cut down these social programs so people will go back to work. The next thing I would do is create a law that anybody caught here illegally is subject to a minimum of five years in prison. The next thing I would do is put a halt to all Visas in this country and stop immigration legal or illegal until wages increased.

That's what I would do.

You do realize that if immigration stopped, we'd end up with a falling population, which would devastate the economy, like Japan.

Well, if we don't stop immigration, then what we have is an endless supply of workers.

Workers wages hinge on supply and demand. The more supply and less demand, wages go down. The less supply and more demand, wages go up.

We will never have a time of more demand as long as we have foreigners coming here and taking our jobs for less than satisfactory wage. That's what's keeping our wages down now.

Except with truckers. Even when demand is high they are getting hosed. But you know about that right?

 

[Brain357]

The answer is not that people need to work more:
From 1973 to 2014, net productivity rose 72.2 percent, while the hourly pay of typical workers essentially stagnated—increasing only 9.2 percent over 41 years (after adjusting for inflation). This means that although Americans are working more productively than ever, the fruits of their labors have primarily accrued to those at the top and to corporate profits, especially in recent years.

So what is your point? That businesses should overpay labor and keep less for themselves?

The point is productivity is way up. Your silly claim it is easy to make more and people just need to try harder is false.

Doesn't matter much.

Productivity might be up, ok. So what? There are dozens of factors that go into pay. For example taxes. When you demand that corporations "pay their fair share", which is another way of saying pay more than they should...... How do you expect to pay workers more, if the money is going to government?

Same with unemployment compensation. UnComp rates in Ohio have gone up. As a result the employer is paying the state more, which means they can't pay workers more.

Same with the recent tax hike. Same with health insurance mandates. Same with all the rest of the crap government has piled on corporation.

You think a business owners is going to give his employees a pay raise, when he's already paying out more?

CNN did a report on this. The cost to the employer is significantly higher, than the "base pay" is. And this is an old story too. I wager the numbers are worse since Obama Care came into full effect.

See this is where you get messed up. The employer *IS* paying more and more for labor, it's just going to the government and all these mandates and fees. Then you complain wages haven't gone up. Yeah, they haven't because of YOU.

Because of me? You seem to have blown a gasket. You better see a doctor.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

With the exception of government, unions are a thing of the past. They aren't coming back either.

A company has every right to operate where they desire. That's something you can't stop. It's the nature of the business and has been going on the last few decades.

If you have any undisputed evidence of businesses "colluding" they are so few and far between that it wouldn't put a dent in our economy.

If we want to be great again we need strong unions.

Every company needs to do business in the US. We need to take advantage of that fact and make sure they are created well paying jobs here if they want to be in the biggest economy in the world.

I have given several examples of big companies colluding. Most companies don't get caught, but it is happening.

We need to get rid of non competes. They are anti worker and anti capitalism.

If the people don't want unions, and the workers don't want unions, and the companies don't want unions, why should we have unions?

So you force unions on companies. Then they move overseas or to a Right to Work state and all those employees are out of a job. It's better to have a job that pays less than you'd like than to have no job at all, don't you think?

People have been lied to about unions. They were told the good workers would make more and blah blah blah. Well they all just make less. They will want to be union again.

Yes. More unions would be great!
How did the unions do when they ran United Airlines?
It must have been wicked awesome. Right?

Ran united airlines? Why would unions run a company? They help workers get better pay an benefits, not run companies.

Ran united airlines?

You didn't know this?

Why would unions run a company?

Their pension fund bought it.

They help workers get better pay an benefits

Must have been great then. Right?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

They're not slowing down anything. You need to get away from those liberal rags like the NYT and understand that it's all a bunch of bull from other people who are also jealous of the wealthy.

I have posted studies from many different sources. I have also laid it out for the very dumb. I should be clear it is a problem. What do you think is the problem and what would you do?

The first thing I would do is stick with a party that promises to cut down these social programs so people will go back to work. The next thing I would do is create a law that anybody caught here illegally is subject to a minimum of five years in prison. The next thing I would do is put a halt to all Visas in this country and stop immigration legal or illegal until wages increased.

That's what I would do.

You do realize that if immigration stopped, we'd end up with a falling population, which would devastate the economy, like Japan.

Well, if we don't stop immigration, then what we have is an endless supply of workers.

Workers wages hinge on supply and demand. The more supply and less demand, wages go down. The less supply and more demand, wages go up.

We will never have a time of more demand as long as we have foreigners coming here and taking our jobs for less than satisfactory wage. That's what's keeping our wages down now.

Except with truckers. Even when demand is high they are getting hosed. But you know about that right?

No, trucking still pays pretty good depending on the job you accept. Like any other job, if you don't like the pay, find a job that pays better.

But the trucking industry is getting flooded with foreigners. Some of them can't even read or speak English. Yet they are on our roads, with road signs they can't read, piloting a 75,000 vehicle.

And about every few months, one of these clowns runs up to my truck while I'm waiting for a dock, and begs me to back their truck in for them because they don't know how. I refuse to do it. I do however help them back the truck in themselves by instructing them as they back up, but that's as far as I will go.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The answer is not that people need to work more:
From 1973 to 2014, net productivity rose 72.2 percent, while the hourly pay of typical workers essentially stagnated—increasing only 9.2 percent over 41 years (after adjusting for inflation). This means that although Americans are working more productively than ever, the fruits of their labors have primarily accrued to those at the top and to corporate profits, especially in recent years.

So what is your point? That businesses should overpay labor and keep less for themselves?

The point is productivity is way up. Your silly claim it is easy to make more and people just need to try harder is false.

Doesn't matter much.

Productivity might be up, ok. So what? There are dozens of factors that go into pay. For example taxes. When you demand that corporations "pay their fair share", which is another way of saying pay more than they should...... How do you expect to pay workers more, if the money is going to government?

Same with unemployment compensation. UnComp rates in Ohio have gone up. As a result the employer is paying the state more, which means they can't pay workers more.

Same with the recent tax hike. Same with health insurance mandates. Same with all the rest of the crap government has piled on corporation.

You think a business owners is going to give his employees a pay raise, when he's already paying out more?

CNN did a report on this. The cost to the employer is significantly higher, than the "base pay" is. And this is an old story too. I wager the numbers are worse since Obama Care came into full effect.

See this is where you get messed up. The employer *IS* paying more and more for labor, it's just going to the government and all these mandates and fees. Then you complain wages haven't gone up. Yeah, they haven't because of YOU.

To add to your very informative post, they also have to pay higher unemployment insurance rates and higher workman's compensation insurance rates as the workers wages increase.

 

[Andylusion]

Our economy may be slow because of stagnant wages, but that has nothing to do with the rich. If the rich made half of what they make today, the economy would still suck. It wouldn't change a thing.

It is because they are colluding to pay less, sending jobs to other countries, importing workers, getting rid of unions....

With the exception of government, unions are a thing of the past. They aren't coming back either.

A company has every right to operate where they desire. That's something you can't stop. It's the nature of the business and has been going on the last few decades.

If you have any undisputed evidence of businesses "colluding" they are so few and far between that it wouldn't put a dent in our economy.

If we want to be great again we need strong unions.

Every company needs to do business in the US. We need to take advantage of that fact and make sure they are created well paying jobs here if they want to be in the biggest economy in the world.

I have given several examples of big companies colluding. Most companies don't get caught, but it is happening.

We need to get rid of non competes. They are anti worker and anti capitalism.

Strong Unions? Are you crazy? ..... Did you learn nothing from 2008?

Which auto companies failed, and went into bankruptcy? Non-Union Toyota and Honda? Or Unionized GM and Chrysler?

Which snack food companies went bankrupt? Non-Union Flowers Foods? Or Unionized Hostess? (By the way, Flower Foods bought up the Hostess plant, which is now non-union).

Unions have ruined every single business they have been involved in. Have you not noticed that the majority of jobs sent over seas, are Union jobs? Non-Union jobs are not leaving the US, they are COMING to the US.

Just punch in "manufacturing plant opened" and you'll get a dozen hits. Airbus recently opened a plant in Alabama. Non-union. Yogurt factory in Idaho. Non-union. Yokohama Tire factory. Non-Union.

Hundreds of hits, very few are union. In fact, without doing detailed research, none of the ones I looked at were union.

It's the UNION JOBS that are being shipped over seas.

You want to ruin this entire country? Just Unionized all the jobs. Great Depression here we come.

You realize Toyota and Honda are Union in Japan right? They just don't care about US workers so they are non union here. And you realize non union auto workers make less than union? Stagnant wages have slowed our entire economy.

Unionizing all jobs would be great for us. Wages would no longer be stagnant. Immigration would no longer be a problem.

Irrelevant. The workers in US jobs at Toyota and Honda plants are not unionized.

By the way, you realize that Japan has been in economic stagnation for over a decade? So apparently Unions in Japan, are having the same effect.

Yeah, Union workers earn more, until the company goes bust, and GM lays of 107,000 workers and Chrysler lays off 18,000, and by the way, just recently laid off another 1,400 workers.

Tell me dude... how much are those Union workers making compared to non-union workers NOW huh?

You are bonkers. You look at Europe and every country with high minimum wages, has had massive unemployment. France recently declared an economic Emergency. But at least they don't have stagnant wages. Now they don't have jobs..... but that doesn't matter because wages are going up, and everyone is leaving the country. Brilliant.

Greece had raising wages too. Worked out fantastic for them.

Everyone that has ever tried to do what you are promoting here, has resulted in economic disaster.

The power house of Europe for the past decade has been who? Germany. Up until last year.... just last year, Germany never had a minimum wage. And Union participation has been declining as fast as our own. Union participation in Germany is only 17% compared to the US 10%. It's been falling every year.

It's not wages that have killed our economy. Remember, 2007, 2008, and 2009 were all Minimum wage hike years. Biggest minimum wage hike in decades. And contrary to you claiming rising wages should boost the economy, our economy crash. The claim is false.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

With the exception of government, unions are a thing of the past. They aren't coming back either.

A company has every right to operate where they desire. That's something you can't stop. It's the nature of the business and has been going on the last few decades.

If you have any undisputed evidence of businesses "colluding" they are so few and far between that it wouldn't put a dent in our economy.

If we want to be great again we need strong unions.

Every company needs to do business in the US. We need to take advantage of that fact and make sure they are created well paying jobs here if they want to be in the biggest economy in the world.

I have given several examples of big companies colluding. Most companies don't get caught, but it is happening.

We need to get rid of non competes. They are anti worker and anti capitalism.

If the people don't want unions, and the workers don't want unions, and the companies don't want unions, why should we have unions?

So you force unions on companies. Then they move overseas or to a Right to Work state and all those employees are out of a job. It's better to have a job that pays less than you'd like than to have no job at all, don't you think?

People have been lied to about unions. They were told the good workers would make more and blah blah blah. Well they all just make less. They will want to be union again.

Well if they want to be union again, don't you think that's their decision and not yours?

My employer told all of us that if we ever unionized, he would close down the business and reopen under a new business name.

You on the left have to understand the Action/Reaction process. If you take a negative action against somebody, you will likely receive a negative reaction.

The reason people don't want unions any longer is because they are the main culprit of job loss in America. We've learned from our mistakes. Yes, it was a gravy train ride for quite a while, but that ride is over. It's time to face reality.

The American consumer will not support good paying monkey jobs. Even McDonald's ordered thousands of kiosks to replace order takers. It won't be long before they automate their food preparation as well.

More and more grocery stores are adding self-serve checkouts. It won't be long until they are all self-serve. Grocery stores at one time had a very strong union and people did monkey jobs and made great money.

What we are quickly learning is that without them wages are stagnant. As that becomes more and more clear they will be back. Sounds like the typical employer scare tactic. Funny stuff.

Get rid of immigration and Visa's and you will see wages increase eventually.

If an employer can't get somebody to clean the company toilets for $10.00 an hour, he has no choice but to offer $10.50. If he still can't find anybody, he has to offer $11.00 and it goes on and on until he finds such an employee.

Right now, if he's offering $9.50 an hour, and can't find an American, he will wait for a foreigner who will clean toilets for $9.50 and get one. That's the main problem here.

 

[Brain357]

It is because they are colluding to pay less, sending jobs to other countries, importing workers, getting rid of unions....

With the exception of government, unions are a thing of the past. They aren't coming back either.

A company has every right to operate where they desire. That's something you can't stop. It's the nature of the business and has been going on the last few decades.

If you have any undisputed evidence of businesses "colluding" they are so few and far between that it wouldn't put a dent in our economy.

If we want to be great again we need strong unions.

Every company needs to do business in the US. We need to take advantage of that fact and make sure they are created well paying jobs here if they want to be in the biggest economy in the world.

I have given several examples of big companies colluding. Most companies don't get caught, but it is happening.

We need to get rid of non competes. They are anti worker and anti capitalism.

Strong Unions? Are you crazy? ..... Did you learn nothing from 2008?

Which auto companies failed, and went into bankruptcy? Non-Union Toyota and Honda? Or Unionized GM and Chrysler?

Which snack food companies went bankrupt? Non-Union Flowers Foods? Or Unionized Hostess? (By the way, Flower Foods bought up the Hostess plant, which is now non-union).

Unions have ruined every single business they have been involved in. Have you not noticed that the majority of jobs sent over seas, are Union jobs? Non-Union jobs are not leaving the US, they are COMING to the US.

Just punch in "manufacturing plant opened" and you'll get a dozen hits. Airbus recently opened a plant in Alabama. Non-union. Yogurt factory in Idaho. Non-union. Yokohama Tire factory. Non-Union.

Hundreds of hits, very few are union. In fact, without doing detailed research, none of the ones I looked at were union.

It's the UNION JOBS that are being shipped over seas.

You want to ruin this entire country? Just Unionized all the jobs. Great Depression here we come.

You realize Toyota and Honda are Union in Japan right? They just don't care about US workers so they are non union here. And you realize non union auto workers make less than union? Stagnant wages have slowed our entire economy.

Unionizing all jobs would be great for us. Wages would no longer be stagnant. Immigration would no longer be a problem.

Irrelevant. The workers in US jobs at Toyota and Honda plants are not unionized.

By the way, you realize that Japan has been in economic stagnation for over a decade? So apparently Unions in Japan, are having the same effect.

Yeah, Union workers earn more, until the company goes bust, and GM lays of 107,000 workers and Chrysler lays off 18,000, and by the way, just recently laid off another 1,400 workers.

Tell me dude... how much are those Union workers making compared to non-union workers NOW huh?

You are bonkers. You look at Europe and every country with high minimum wages, has had massive unemployment. France recently declared an economic Emergency. But at least they don't have stagnant wages. Now they don't have jobs..... but that doesn't matter because wages are going up, and everyone is leaving the country. Brilliant.

Greece had raising wages too. Worked out fantastic for them.

Everyone that has ever tried to do what you are promoting here, has resulted in economic disaster.

The power house of Europe for the past decade has been who? Germany. Up until last year.... just last year, Germany never had a minimum wage. And Union participation has been declining as fast as our own. Union participation in Germany is only 17% compared to the US 10%. It's been falling every year.

It's not wages that have killed our economy. Remember, 2007, 2008, and 2009 were all Minimum wage hike years. Biggest minimum wage hike in decades. And contrary to you claiming rising wages should boost the economy, our economy crash. The claim is false.

Your are talking min wage when real wages have been stagnant for decades. A small min wage increase isn't going to fix that.

 

[Brain357]

If we want to be great again we need strong unions.

Every company needs to do business in the US. We need to take advantage of that fact and make sure they are created well paying jobs here if they want to be in the biggest economy in the world.

I have given several examples of big companies colluding. Most companies don't get caught, but it is happening.

We need to get rid of non competes. They are anti worker and anti capitalism.

If the people don't want unions, and the workers don't want unions, and the companies don't want unions, why should we have unions?

So you force unions on companies. Then they move overseas or to a Right to Work state and all those employees are out of a job. It's better to have a job that pays less than you'd like than to have no job at all, don't you think?

People have been lied to about unions. They were told the good workers would make more and blah blah blah. Well they all just make less. They will want to be union again.

Well if they want to be union again, don't you think that's their decision and not yours?

My employer told all of us that if we ever unionized, he would close down the business and reopen under a new business name.

You on the left have to understand the Action/Reaction process. If you take a negative action against somebody, you will likely receive a negative reaction.

The reason people don't want unions any longer is because they are the main culprit of job loss in America. We've learned from our mistakes. Yes, it was a gravy train ride for quite a while, but that ride is over. It's time to face reality.

The American consumer will not support good paying monkey jobs. Even McDonald's ordered thousands of kiosks to replace order takers. It won't be long before they automate their food preparation as well.

More and more grocery stores are adding self-serve checkouts. It won't be long until they are all self-serve. Grocery stores at one time had a very strong union and people did monkey jobs and made great money.

What we are quickly learning is that without them wages are stagnant. As that becomes more and more clear they will be back. Sounds like the typical employer scare tactic. Funny stuff.

Get rid of immigration and Visa's and you will see wages increase eventually.

If an employer can't get somebody to clean the company toilets for $10.00 an hour, he has no choice but to offer $10.50. If he still can't find anybody, he has to offer $11.00 and it goes on and on until he finds such an employee.

Right now, if he's offering $9.50 an hour, and can't find an American, he will wait for a foreigner who will clean toilets for $9.50 and get one. That's the main problem here.

It will help, but it isn't the whole story. We still have all the collusion and shipping jobs away. We need to do more to stop that also.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If the people don't want unions, and the workers don't want unions, and the companies don't want unions, why should we have unions?

So you force unions on companies. Then they move overseas or to a Right to Work state and all those employees are out of a job. It's better to have a job that pays less than you'd like than to have no job at all, don't you think?

People have been lied to about unions. They were told the good workers would make more and blah blah blah. Well they all just make less. They will want to be union again.

Well if they want to be union again, don't you think that's their decision and not yours?

My employer told all of us that if we ever unionized, he would close down the business and reopen under a new business name.

You on the left have to understand the Action/Reaction process. If you take a negative action against somebody, you will likely receive a negative reaction.

The reason people don't want unions any longer is because they are the main culprit of job loss in America. We've learned from our mistakes. Yes, it was a gravy train ride for quite a while, but that ride is over. It's time to face reality.

The American consumer will not support good paying monkey jobs. Even McDonald's ordered thousands of kiosks to replace order takers. It won't be long before they automate their food preparation as well.

More and more grocery stores are adding self-serve checkouts. It won't be long until they are all self-serve. Grocery stores at one time had a very strong union and people did monkey jobs and made great money.

What we are quickly learning is that without them wages are stagnant. As that becomes more and more clear they will be back. Sounds like the typical employer scare tactic. Funny stuff.

Get rid of immigration and Visa's and you will see wages increase eventually.

If an employer can't get somebody to clean the company toilets for $10.00 an hour, he has no choice but to offer $10.50. If he still can't find anybody, he has to offer $11.00 and it goes on and on until he finds such an employee.

Right now, if he's offering $9.50 an hour, and can't find an American, he will wait for a foreigner who will clean toilets for $9.50 and get one. That's the main problem here.

It will help, but it isn't the whole story. We still have all the collusion and shipping jobs away. We need to do more to stop that also.

Then we need to turn to Communism or a Dictatorship if we want to force companies to stay here. Maybe tell them execution is the penalty.

We don't force anybody to do anything in a free country; of course, that excludes DumBama since he is now forcing Americans to have healthcare insurance. But other than that, we don't operate that way.