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What unconstitutional orders? Taking care of a large Game Refuge is unconstitutional? Teddy Roosevelt didn't think so when he established it in 1908.Yes, when you try to change the law by force of arms, that is treason. And that is what the militia's and those people in Oregon were trying to do. We have a very good system for changing the laws, if need be. But these people wish to do it against the will of the majority by force of arms. That is treason.
Maybe so but no more treason than when the government does it with unconstitutional orders.
No they were not in fact the general order was to leave them alone.Many of whom were arrested.Leave them there?? Since when do folks get to move into public property?Leave. Just leave them there. Ignore them. In less than a week they would be gone.The dudes in Oregon didn't use violence.
They didn't but they had guns and threatened to begin a civil war. The guy was reaching for something when he was shot. What are the police supposed to do, just wait them out for years?
You must hate the shit out of the occupy movement.
Damn, there goes your nonsensical point, eh?
Felons were ambushed. And when they have multiple guns, and have stated the intent to use them, they are fair game. The LEO's there did a fantastic job in that there was only one death. You fail to follow orders in that situation, you are fair game.The deluded like you need to be told the reality to keep you in the center of things. You tried to excuse Oregon with a tu quoque fallacy "what about Baltimore?" We all agreed Baltimore was bad, too, but in no way excused Oregon. You agreed with that. Then you disagreed with that. They are broth wrong, the Bundys were the equivalents of rioters in Baltimore. Lavoy F. was stupid and died. That is the truth of the matter.Nope, you were righteously corrected when you tried a tu quoque argument that got booted.No one expects you to ignore Baltimore but to recognize it right along with Oregon.
No, y'all don't even want black lives matter mentioned. That's the reason for all the vitriol.
I was never corrected, because I wasn't wrong.
I exposed Liberal hypocrisy and you people posted nasty comments, hoping to create a smoke screen to hide behind.
Seems to me that both sides were "in the wrong". The cowboys were trespassers fired on by the government reps. who ambushed them. Killing peaceful citizen for trespassing is way over the line. And a very serious fuckup in my estimation. WTF is tu quoque? You having problems with English?
Reaching for a gun while being arrested is NOT peaceful. I don't care which side you're rooting for.The deluded like you need to be told the reality to keep you in the center of things. You tried to excuse Oregon with a tu quoque fallacy "what about Baltimore?" We all agreed Baltimore was bad, too, but in no way excused Oregon. You agreed with that. Then you disagreed with that. They are broth wrong, the Bundys were the equivalents of rioters in Baltimore. Lavoy F. was stupid and died. That is the truth of the matter.Nope, you were righteously corrected when you tried a tu quoque argument that got booted.No one expects you to ignore Baltimore but to recognize it right along with Oregon.
No, y'all don't even want black lives matter mentioned. That's the reason for all the vitriol.
I was never corrected, because I wasn't wrong.
I exposed Liberal hypocrisy and you people posted nasty comments, hoping to create a smoke screen to hide behind.
Seems to me that both sides were "in the wrong". The cowboys were trespassers fired on by the government reps. who ambushed them. Killing peaceful citizen for trespassing is way over the line. And a very serious fuckup in my estimation. WTF is tu quoque? You having problems with English?
As I posted, about 8,000 were arrested.No they were not in fact the general order was to leave them alone.Many of whom were arrested.Leave them there?? Since when do folks get to move into public property?Leave. Just leave them there. Ignore them. In less than a week they would be gone.They didn't but they had guns and threatened to begin a civil war. The guy was reaching for something when he was shot. What are the police supposed to do, just wait them out for years?
You must hate the shit out of the occupy movement.
Damn, there goes your nonsensical point, eh?
Had any of the OWS folks reached for a gun while being arrested, they might very well have been shot by police; and deservedly so. And public property doesn't mean absolute access. Try seizing the White House the way those loons seized that refuge.Leave them there?? Since when do folks get to move into public property?Leave. Just leave them there. Ignore them. In less than a week they would be gone.I agree, the extremist on both sides are wrong in using violence to protest. I find it amusing the each side excuses their own actions if it furthers their agenda.
The dudes in Oregon didn't use violence.
They didn't but they had guns and threatened to begin a civil war. The guy was reaching for something when he was shot. What are the police supposed to do, just wait them out for years?
Aren't city streets and sidewalks public property? I always thought that the public owns public property and that the question is in who controls it. Guess all those Occupy Wall St. folks were lucky not to be gunned down too.
Seriously? You want to persist with this line of stupidity?Almost 8,000 arrest is "very few arrests??"Many of whom were arrested.Leave them there?? Since when do folks get to move into public property?
You must hate the shit out of the occupy movement.
Damn, there goes your nonsensical point, eh?
Most walked away, very few arrests.
OccupyArrests.com
Out of the tens of thousands? Give me a break fruit cake. Over two years and hundreds of different events. And they all deserved to be arrested.
Finicum was a victim of his own ignorance and stupidity – his ignorance of the law, his ignorance of the Constitution, and his ignorance of the settled and accepted doctrine of Federal supremacy, as originally intended and understood by the Founding Generation.Much has been said about the death of LaVoy Finicum. Some here are even trying to make a hero and martyr out of him. So let us review what led up to his death.
And armed occupation of a Federal Installation is not just a protest, it is an act of sedition. Had it been a protest, they would have gone in without weapons, and made the law carry them out, as the Civil Rights protesters did. And they would not have been putting out calls for people to come with guns and full body armor. Their rhetoric and actions all spoke of impending violence, violence they were actively working to provoke. They outright stated that they hoped to bring on a civil war.
Do we really want the US to look like Syria? Is that the wishes of the fruitloops on this board and in these militias? Evidently so, and that brands them for what they are, Traitors actively engaged in treason.
So why should we mourn the death of someone that stated that they wanted to die rather than face the consequences of their actions? Finicum was engaged in treasonous acts, and armed. He had written out his fantasies of killing other humans. No loss to this nation at all.
Lavoy typifies the small, ineffective, and very far right and libertarian groups particular to the LDS Church. They base their political philosophy on a misreading of their own scriptures, as ell as misunderstanding of their church membership's history in the west, and the doctrines of Cleon Skousen, Glenn Beck, and the John Birch Society.Finicum was a victim of his own ignorance and stupidity – his ignorance of the law, his ignorance of the Constitution, and his ignorance of the settled and accepted doctrine of Federal supremacy, as originally intended and understood by the Founding Generation.
Oh please. The white hut is wide open. The only guards not high or jacking off are the dogs.Had any of the OWS folks reached for a gun while being arrested, they might very well have been shot by police; and deservedly so. And public property doesn't mean absolute access. Try seizing the White House the way those loons seized that refuge.Leave them there?? Since when do folks get to move into public property?Leave. Just leave them there. Ignore them. In less than a week they would be gone.The dudes in Oregon didn't use violence.
They didn't but they had guns and threatened to begin a civil war. The guy was reaching for something when he was shot. What are the police supposed to do, just wait them out for years?
Aren't city streets and sidewalks public property? I always thought that the public owns public property and that the question is in who controls it. Guess all those Occupy Wall St. folks were lucky not to be gunned down too.
This government, the obama government abandoned its duty and obligation to govern. Instead it became an agent for social change, exactly what obama said he would do. Opposition to this corrupt and evil invasive entity is the highest form of patriotism.
Direct confrontation, such as what happened in Oregon is useless and fruitless. Undermining, burrowing into the foundations and weakening the struts is much more effective. Edward Snowden was much more effective and he is still alive.
As if it would do any good.Stupid ass, speak for yourself, don't even try to tell me what I think. Don't be putting words in other peoples mouths.Other examples of treason might include Bill Ayers and Dan Rather. A couple of decades ago Bill Ayers was terrorizing the Country with IED's detonated at Military recruitment centers and corporate headquarters and even the Pentagon. According to testimony of a gang member, the last bomb his little terrorist cell made was intended for U. S. Soldiers at a Ft. Dix dance. The bomb blew up prematurely and killed four members of his gang which made Ayers guilty of four felony murders. He was exonerated by a friendly federal judge who blamed the FBI for Ayers' unpleasantness. Today he is viewed as a left wing Robin Hood and is a "respected" college professor and a former adviser to the democrat party including the president. Dan Rather's treason didn't include violence but it was intended to derail the electoral process with forged documents. Today Rather makes about 100k per speech to low information democrats.
The Weather Underground got in a gun battle with the cops and robbed an armored car. But, the Liberals don't see anything wrong with that.
Seriously? You want to persist with this line of stupidity?Almost 8,000 arrest is "very few arrests??"Many of whom were arrested.You must hate the shit out of the occupy movement.
Damn, there goes your nonsensical point, eh?
Most walked away, very few arrests.
OccupyArrests.com
Out of the tens of thousands? Give me a break fruit cake. Over two years and hundreds of different events. And they all deserved to be arrested.
Ok, let me remind you of your moronic statement...
"...very few arrests." - just another imbecile.
In no way, shape or form are some 8,000 arrests, "very few arrests."
Of course, you think so, because you can't argue your point, so you think everyone who corrects you are meanies.. Your tu quoque argument failed, and you pouted. Then you flounced when you were corrected properly that the Baltimore rioters were criminals and not traitors. You just keep digging yourself in deeper.See, your denial knowingly of what just asserted makes you troll trash. You are wrong and that is obvious to all.The tu quoque fallacy does not work for either of you, Ace and Wild
Good thing I was wasn't using it, then.
Ah, more insults. The first sign that a Liberal realized his argument is worthless.
I have nothing to do with your idiotic statement. This isn't about me. It's about you moronically calling almost 8,000 arrests, "very few arrests."Seriously? You want to persist with this line of stupidity?Almost 8,000 arrest is "very few arrests??"Many of whom were arrested.
Damn, there goes your nonsensical point, eh?
Most walked away, very few arrests.
OccupyArrests.com
Out of the tens of thousands? Give me a break fruit cake. Over two years and hundreds of different events. And they all deserved to be arrested.
Ok, let me remind you of your moronic statement...
"...very few arrests." - just another imbecile.
In no way, shape or form are some 8,000 arrests, "very few arrests."
You are the one persisting nutter. Seriously.
Of course, you think so, because you can't argue your point, so you think everyone who corrects you are meanies.. Your tu quoque argument failed, and you pouted. Then you flounced when you were corrected properly that the Baltimore rioters were criminals and not traitors. You just keep digging yourself in deeper.See, your denial knowingly of what just asserted makes you troll trash. You are wrong and that is obvious to all.The tu quoque fallacy does not work for either of you, Ace and Wild
Good thing I was wasn't using it, then.
Ah, more insults. The first sign that a Liberal realized his argument is worthless.
