Trump and Evangelical religion pro's and con's. Should Religion even be involved in the election?

[daveman]

Show me one other president that said that he was picked by God to rule. One!

It wasn't him, but he sure didn't discourage people from saying it.

Common Core Lesson Teaches Children Obama Is A Messiah​

Obama Messiah Watch​

‘Magic,’ ‘Lightbringer’, ‘Messiah’ — Not New Terms To Obama​

But it kinda sounds like he bought into the whole ObaMessiah thing.

Is Barack Obama the Messiah?​

"... a light will shine through that window, a beam of light will come down upon you, you will experience an epiphany ... and you will suddenly realize that you must go to the polls and vote for Obama" - Barack Obama Lebanon, New Hampshire.
January 7, 2008.

Obama Conversion Stories​

"We have an amazing story to tell," she said. "This president has brought us out of the dark and into the light."
-- Michelle Obama
"Obama is, of course, greater than Jesus."
-- Politiken (Danish newspaper)
"No one saw him coming, and Christians believe God comes at us from strange angles and places we don't expect, like Jesus being born in a manger."
--Lawrence Carter
"Many even see in Obama a messiah-like figure, a great soul, and some affectionately call him Mahatma Obama."
-- Dinesh Sharma
"We just like to say his name. We are considering taking it as a mantra."
-- Chicago] Sun-Times
"A Lightworker -- An Attuned Being with Powerful Luminosity and High-Vibration Integrity who will actually help usher in a New Way of Being"
-- Mark Morford
"What Barack Obama has accomplished is the single most extraordinary event that has occurred in the 232 years of the nation’s political history"
-- Jesse Jackson, Jr.
"This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal."
-- Barack Obama
"Does it not feel as if some special hand is guiding Obama on his journey, I mean, as he has said, the utter improbability of it all?"
-- Daily Kos
"He communicates God-like energy..."
-- Steve Davis (Charleston, SC)
"Not just an ordinary human being but indeed an Advanced Soul"
-- Commentator @ Chicago Sun Times
"I'll do whatever he says to do. I'll collect paper cups off the ground to make his pathway clear."
-- Halle Berry
"A quantum leap in American consciousness"
-- Deepak Chopra
"He is not operating on the same plane as ordinary politicians. . . . the agent of transformation in an age of revolution, as a figure uniquely qualified to open the door to the 21st century."
-- Gary Hart
"Barack Obama is our collective representation of our purest hopes, our highest visions and our deepest knowings . . . He's our product out of the all-knowing quantum field of intelligence."
-- Eve Konstantine
"This is bigger than Kennedy. . . . This is the New Testament." | "I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don't have that too often. No, seriously. It's a dramatic event."
-- Chris Matthews
"[Obama is ] creative imagination which coupled with brilliance equals wisdom . . . [He is] the man for this time."
-- Toni Morrison
"Obama's finest speeches do not excite. They do not inform. They don't even really inspire. They elevate. . . . He is not the Word made flesh, but the triumph of word over flesh . . . Obama is, at his best, able to call us back to our highest selves."
-- Ezra Klein
"Obama has the capacity to summon heroic forces from the spiritual depths of ordinary citizens and to unleash therefrom a symphonic chorus of unique creative acts whose common purpose is to tame the soul and alleviate the great challenges facing mankind."
-- Gerald Campbell
"We're here to evolve to a higher plane . . . he is an evolved leader . . . [he] has an ear for eloquence and a Tongue dipped in the Unvarnished Truth."
-- Oprah Winfrey
“I would characterize the Senate race as being a race where Obama was, let’s say, blessed and highly favored. That’s not routine. There’s something else going on. I think that Obama, his election to the Senate, was divinely ordered. . . . I know that that was God’s plan."
-- Bill Rush

Admit it -- you had an Obama shrine, didn't you?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

If she has reason to think the election was not free, open, and honest, of course.

But "the Democrat didn't win!!" is not evidence of a stolen election.

Election interference is against the law no matter who you are and no matter what you think.


Don Trump is the one following the 2020 election who said “the Democrat didn’t win” and he is still saying it.

Don Trump has the right to say it, but he does not have a right to interfere in the election.

Trump has been indicted because he actually interfered in the 2020 election. It was certified by all 50 states after full well knowing that he had lost.. Donald Trump did not have a right to persuade Republicans in seven states to submit themselves as fake electors declaring Trump was the seven states that Trump had lost.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

More woah is me?

No, it’s……. woe is country …. If Republicans win.

I’ve become pretty confident that Trump is not going to win so my “WOE” level is transcending downward. I like seeing young people driving a movement in our multicultural, multi racial population and white suburban women dumping Trump.

But I am not going to quit condemning anti-democracy Republican goons Who believe Donald Trump is way above respecting the rules and propriety on the sacred grounds where so many American soldiers are laid to rest after sacrificing for their country. Trump could take a shit on a Middle Eastern sounding soldier’s name’s grave in Arlington national cemetery and his goons will cheer him on.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Automation and ai will increase the need for wage labor.

You are truly stupid. the death for all time of socialism is inevitable

You are an inevitable failure

When you start insulting people, you're rarely winning the argument. You're just triggered because you're unable to refute what I said with a logical, coherent argument, I'd like for you to explain to me and to everyone else, how you figure that advanced robotics (automation) and AGI i.e. Artificial General Intelligence, is going to create more jobs and expand the marketplace. You skip the insults and enter into an actual civil discussion with your opponent, which may actually lead to him or her discarding their current position and adopting yours. Educate me on your position. Go ahead.

 

[Soupnazi630]

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When you start insulting people, you're rarely winning the argument. You're just triggered because you're unable to refute what I said with a logical, coherentI did argument, I'd like for you to explain to me and to everyone else, how you figure that advanced robotics (automation) and AGI i.e. Artificial General Intelligence, is going to create more jobs and expand the marketplace. You skip the insults and enter into an actual civil discussion with your opponent, which may actually lead to him or her discarding their current position and adopting yours. Educate me on your position. Go ahead.

I did refute it with logical and coherent argument.


You throw more insults than anyone so that proves YOU lost the argument

 

[TruthNotBS]

I did refute it with logical and coherent argument.


You throw more insults than anyone so that proves YOU lost the argument

Not at all, I never insult my debate opponents, provided they don't insult me first. I also avoid resorting to insults, when they insult me because I see that type of interaction as childish and a waste of my precious time and energy. Show me in what post you've presented a logical, coherent, fact-based argument against my view that advanced automation (i.e. robotics) and AGI - Artificial General Intelligence, will force society by necessity to fully socialize production, moving us away from markets to rational, central planning. Show me the arguments, and I will read them with genuine interest. I'd like to see if maybe you're correct and I'm wrong. If you're right, and I'm not, I will discard my current position and adopt yours.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Not at all, I never insult my debate opponents, provided they don't insult me first. I also avoid resorting to insults, when they insult me because I see that type of interaction as childish and a waste of my precious time and energy. Show me in what post you've presented a logical, coherent, fact-based argument against my view that advanced automation (i.e. robotics) and AGI - Artificial General Intelligence, will force society by necessity to fully socialize production, moving us away from markets to rational, central planning. Show me the arguments, and I will read them with genuine interest. I'd like to see if maybe you're correct and I'm wrong. If you're right, and I'm not, I will discard my current position and adopt yours.

Yes you routinely do

I already you showed you
Your argument is a view and that is all. I stated the same

Your view is not self evident or support by evidence it is a flight of fancy and nothing more

 

[TruthNotBS]

Yes you routinely do

I already you showed you
Your argument is a view and that is all. I stated the same

Your view is not self evident or support by evidence it is a flight of fancy and nothing more

Provide the post number, where I can read your argument for the survival and success of market capitalism, with full or near full automation. I would like to learn from you, because you're obviously a very capable, intelligent economist if you're able to present a good case for market capitalism, that employs intelligent robots and AGI to produce its goods and services. I find that quite amazing. I would be impressed with your high-level analysis that argues for market capitalism working along with full automation. Please enlighten me sir. Thank you.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

dblack

We'll see another denial meltdown from whichever side loses. Count on it.

You are retarded. Trump did not win the election of 2020 but he is still lying that he did. Trump says the US Constitution should be terminated because he was prevented from serving in Term Two because of outcome determinative election fraud that he can’t put a finger on just yet..

In December 2022, Trump took to his social media site Truth Social to promote the "Big Lie" — and used it as justification for the "termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution."

So because Donald Trump thinks he won the 2020 election he wants to change the Constitution so that no matter what the people decide to be the winner Donald Trump and his heirs can save America

 

[lennypartiv]

Does the OP not realize we were founded as a Christian nation?

 

[TruthNotBS]

Does the OP not realize we were founded as a Christian nation?

We weren't in any way founded as a "Christian nation". We are founded upon the rule of law, a constitution, the respect for good morals, a sturdy, robust work ethic..etc, but not on the basis of a particular religion or God. A Higher Power, yes indeed, but no particular God or religion is mentioned in our founding documents, nor is there any mention of Christianity or any other religion.