Trump and Melania test positive for COVID-19

[candycorn]

 

[Flopper]

The flu routinely sends people to the hospitals every single year.

When is the last time the flu killed 214,000 Americans in a year? I'll wait.

You didn't say that. You said it was serious if they went to a hospital. The common cold, sends people to the hospital. Not even the flu... just the common cold.

As for in a single year.... Not relevant.

Per capita death rates are lower than the flu. Even the CDC shows that.

Besides that, we already know the death rates for Covid-19 are drastically over blown. We know that for a fact, because hospitals were paid more money if they claimed any given death was covid-19, and so they were labeling every single death they could as being a Covid death, even without even testing to see if the person had Covid.

So not worried about it.

Gee, you're just full of misinformation

Nobody get's admitted to the hospital for just the common cold unless they have other serious conditions

And no, more people are not dying from the Flu than covid in the US. 207,000 deaths from covid so far this year which many researchers say is low. On an annual basis it's 276,000/yr. The only flu that was more deadly than Covid was the Spanish Influenza which killed 676,000 about hundred years ago. Every flu season since has been a lot less than covid. The next highest season was in 1957 in which about 116,000 died. Last year, 2018-19 the number of US deaths from the flu was 34,200.

https://www.accuweather.com/en/health-wellness/how-us-covid-19-fatalities-compare-to-worst-flu-seasons/731964

Estimated Flu-Related Illnesses, Medical visits, Hospitalizations, and Deaths in the United States — 2018–2019 Flu Season | CDC

CDC calculates estimates of disease burden in the United States using surveillance data and modeling to adjust for sources of under-detection. Burden estimates for the 2018-2019 season found here.

www.cdc.gov

 

[Slade3200]

Warning - Do not believe a word Donald's hand-picked White House doctor says.
Believe it when the Walter Reed doctors hold a presser.

White House Official Calls Next 48 Hours 'Critical' For Trump's Care

President Trump's physician, Dr. Sean Conley, told reporters on Saturday morning that Trump was "doing very well." But an official identified as chief of staff Mark Meadows gave a different account.

www.npr.org

Wut? We can't believe Impeached Trump's doctors? Since when?

On top of his age, having a BMI of 31.5 means he's obese -- one of the high risk comorbidity factors. This may not end well for him.

Of the two....biden better watch himself...........

Biden has been watching himself. Being safe, following guidelines. Trump has mocked him and now the most protected guy in the world has got himself and many of his minions infected. Also put Biden and his family at risk during that debate and then failed to give him a heads up. I’d be fucking pissed if I were Biden. Trump is a damn fool, this situation highlights his complete incompetence.

A president that can't protect himself, his family, nor his staff from the virus certainly can't protect the people. To have been successful, he would have had to care but he just didn't. He had one thing on his mind, winning an election. And as far as those that died, he expressed his feelings quite well, what will be will be.

Trump is no coward, and he has been teaching this nation how not to be a coward in the face of any threat. Standing tall is the American way, and especially in the face of your enemy. The Covid threat has been changing ever since it got here, and it has confused the most intelectual scholars, making them change from one minute to the next. Trump even got confused by it all, as so did the rest of us in the country. Heck we still can't decide id

Bring on the HydroxyChloroquine!

He took Hydroxichloroquine and erythromycin in May 20, 2020 as preventative maintenance. I guess it didn’t work.

You don't what he did, you only know what the media blows up your lying ass.

president Trump told the world himself, that he was doing hydroxychloroquine as a regiment, for preventative measures.

The press did not make it up, it was a corona virus press conference and Trump told the press himself...I watched it live.

It is only because he is the potus that he is sick,you obviously are clueless that he is sick now because of the strong possibility that he has been poisoned by the CiA and the corrupt media is passing it off as Covid related.hydroxyloroquine can’t be effective if someone is poisoning you.Lol.

every other patient not political as trump is,has been cured Einstein.lol



if he dies,facts will emerge the government murdered him and the lies of it being from Covid will be exposedBy independent news sources not controlled by the corporate controlled media. in this day and age,you can’t assassinate a president in broad daylight anymore with multiple shooters and lie and cover up the facts For over thirty years anymore That it was a lone gunman.in this day and age,there are too many cameras and cell phones.

Same as jfk,trump has been stepping on some powerful toes in Washington,he recently told the truth that no president ever has that wars are started for the defense contractors to make money.this is far too coincidental to happen at this time rightnow just shortly before the election especially sense for four years now the deep state trump has exposed,has been trying to get him out of office and has failed in every attempt.

oh and you mentioned him having the best of care at Walter reed hospital.actually that’s probably the worst place to go considering their history,I guess you are not aware how they participated in a phony autopsy report and coverup of the CIA,s murder of jfk.Lol




I am not so sure he even does have it,this could all be a clever ploy of his to get the sympathy vote from the undecided.

you mentioned

I thought you weren't a Trumper.

I’m not,I have been very critical of him in the past making lots of people mad around here but facts are facts and because of who the alternative is for potus,same as last time,I am voting for trump same as I did last time for the same reason because the alternative to Trump is five times worse.i hate to even think how many wars would be going on in the Mideast right now if the elite had their way and hitlery been elected as I feared would happen.

We had the most corrupt administration ever at the time under the clintons so it was a no brainer for me to vote for trump which was the first time I ever voted for a president sense I have always said both parties are corrupt and one in the same.i did so sense unlike every candidate in the past,trump was not a career politicians And I’m glad I did sense again,I hate toeven think of the thought of another Clinton in office, I will do so again as well ONLY because the alternative of Biden is five times worse the fact he went along with everything mass murdererKenyon president Obama did so again,same as last time,it’s a no brainer.

Now if the two choices were between trump and Gary Johnson,I would want nothing to do with trump But that’s not the choices obviously.

the fact that trump came out and told the truth that wars are started all the time so defense contractors can make money and he tore into our corrupt pentagon lately how they try and start wars around the world,I’m starting to like trump more and more now. I like him much better than all these evil motherfucker mass murdering monsters starting from Reagan all the way up to Obama I can say that much,that’s a no brainer especially sense he is the first president sense carter to NOT start any new wars for the elite.

only a fool would like all these trolls on this thread, would ignore how this is all too coincidental and too fishy that he just now gets this alleged deadly virus and Biden does not when he was near him recently just when the election is around the corner and hejust pissed off the elite a couple weeks ago telling the truth our corrupt government always starts wars so the defense contractors can profit from them.Does not take a genius to put two and two together that this is far too coincidental the timing of him getting this alleged deadly virus.he must be doing something right the fact he is starting to remind me a lot of our last great president jfk who was killed because he tried to stop wars from happening and also stepped on some very powerful toes in washington

There is a coup taking place again in Washington against a president obviously but this time they are not using bullets this time because they know even a stupid idiot would not fall for their lies again THIS time that a lone gunman did it,this is the modern way now to try and kill a president.

Trump got it because he he is running around like an idea ignoring all safety measures while Biden has acted safely and ironically has been mocked for weeks by Trump for doing so. Anybody with two eyes could see that Trump was playing with Fire so it was no surprise that he tested positive. All you out there that have been following his lead with the tough guy routine should learn a lesson from this

If Biden is positive next, then what ??? Oh wait, Trump did it of course.

I can hear Biden now "he just stood there breathing on me like, like, like a great big ole bear, and I couldn't get out the door, it was so terrifying mommy, i mean sister, I mean awwwwww come on mannnnnn you know what I mean, uh wait who are you again ?"

His wife then says "sigh, here we go again, Joe you're the president, and yes you just got back from hunting bears".

If Biden got it from the debate then hell yeah it’s Trumps fault. Are you kidding?! I’d be fucking pissed if I were Biden. He’s been taking care of himself and being safe and then pompous jackass comes in full of disease and mocks him for wearing a mask. How do you not understand how this thing works yet?! Unbelievable!

How do you not know how freedom of choice works ??? Do you think that you need to hold Bidens feeble hand, and guide him to every choice he makes ?? That's what many are hoping for in a Biden presidency.

Hold his hand? What are you talking about. I see a responsible leader acting appropriately during a pandemic who is healthy and I see a pompous ass acting wreckless during a pandemic who is now in the hospital. Their choices speak for themselves

Well get ready for the lock down of the century if Biden becomes (gag), the POTUS. You think Hitler was bad ? You ain't seen nothing yet. This country will spin out of control, and then back into control but in a Nazi kind of way... The possibility of wars will break out from within. It's gonna be everything the leftist have dreamed of. Becareful what you ask for, because you just might get it, then what ??

We are 6 months in under your plan and POTUS just got infected. Where would we be if we did a Hitler style lock down for 3 weeks back in March? It would have been gone in April. Think about it

Oh bullshit, you can't prove nothing, like I said just a filthy liar.

I can prove you’re a complete dumbshit. Point out one of my lies and I’ll show you how foolish you are

Well full of speculation then... Almost the same thing depending on how you stand behind your speculation.

Trump is no coward. He's mentally incompetent. What sane person two days after being diagnosis with a deadly contagious disease would leave their hospital bed without being discharged to drive around the block exposing other for the sole purpose of waving at his fans. That is just plain nuts.

The same guy that would gas church goers to take a photo with a bible In front of a church. That’s who

 

[Slade3200]

Why? Other than political points.... why?

That's exactly why. If you're saying it's just done to score political points, he could have scored those political points early on.

Instead, he minimized the seriousness of the virus, got infected with the virus, and NOW decides to wear a mask, making his previous stances look ridiculous.

He minimized the seriousness of the virus...... because it wasn't serious. Covid-19 isn't serious.

Trump was right. The CDC proved that.

Did you miss the numbers put out by the CDC? I'll post them again.
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In the absolute worst case scenario, with the highest risk age group of 70+.... the maximum recorded fatality rate was 0.093.

Influenza in comparison is 0.1.

So you are trying to tell me that Covid-19 is so serious we have to have lock downs, and ban gatherings, and have people in masks..... for a fatality rate for the worst possible cases, in the highest risk age group..... of 0.093...... when the flu has an OVER ALL fatality rate of 0.1?

By that logic, we should have shut down the country for the last 200 years, over the flu.

Because if you look at the average fatality rate of all scenarios for all age groups... it's way way way lower than the flu.

Trump was dead on right. He was right about the whole thing. That is not opinion... that's fact based on the evidence we have.

These dem loving trolls of course have never had an interest to facts Ollie these thst you just posted of course cause they all hate America and want it destroyed.

You say about the Dem “they all hate America and want it destroyed.” And they are the ones that love trolling?! Get a mirror man

 

[buttercup]

The flu routinely sends people to the hospitals every single year.

When is the last time the flu killed 214,000 Americans in a year? I'll wait.

You didn't say that. You said it was serious if they went to a hospital. The common cold, sends people to the hospital. Not even the flu... just the common cold.

As for in a single year.... Not relevant.

Per capita death rates are lower than the flu. Even the CDC shows that.

Besides that, we already know the death rates for Covid-19 are drastically over blown. We know that for a fact, because hospitals were paid more money if they claimed any given death was covid-19, and so they were labeling every single death they could as being a Covid death, even without even testing to see if the person had Covid.

So not worried about it.

I’ve taken the trump haters to school too many times to remember on this thread posting that fact about inflated deaths till I was blue in the the face,they of course though pretend you never posted it because it shoots down their lies they parrot from the corporate controlled media that this is a deadly virus..lol

Yeah, that is one of their slimy tactics, that they do ALL the time. I don't how many times I've explained to these Covid1984 cheerleaders the reasons why the numbers are a total joke. It gets tiring having to repeat oneself over and over and over. And what do they do? The very next day they'll play completely dumb and act as if they never heard it before. Lather, rinse, repeat. Sigh.

 

[jc456]

Why? You have no evidence masks work.

Post that link

Then why is Trump wearing one?

If the hospital would allowed him to go unmasked, he probably would because he doesn't care who he infects. He's the president you know, he can do anything. Covid patients have to wear masks in the hospital except in their room which has special ventilation to prevent the spread of the disease.

If others are wearing masks how can he infect them?

 

[Andylusion]

View attachment 397279

Millions of people have contracted Covid, while wearing masks, and social distancing, and not going to social gatherings, and washing their hands.

"Karma" for those that followed all the rules? Dumb post.

 

[candycorn]

View attachment 397279

Millions of people have contracted Covid, while wearing masks, and social distancing, and not going to social gatherings, and washing their hands.

"Karma" for those that followed all the rules? Dumb post.

Karma for those who didn't.

 

[Leo123]

Yeah, that is one of their slimy tactics, that they do ALL the time. I don't how many times I've explained to these Covid1984 cheerleaders the reasons why the numbers are a total joke. It gets tiring having to repeat oneself over and over and over. And what do they do? The very next day they'll play completely dumb and act as if they never heard it before. Lather, rinse, repeat. Sigh.

Exactly, patients with other serious conditions that die and have covid detected in them are ruled "Covid deaths" this is well known to those who are not hard core lefties who only listen to those with a similar hatred of Trump such as the Democrats and most of the media. They then go off spouting bullshit until they convince themselves that their hatred is rational. These people are seriously mentally ill IMO.

 

[Andylusion]

View attachment 397279

Millions of people have contracted Covid, while wearing masks, and social distancing, and not going to social gatherings, and washing their hands.

"Karma" for those that followed all the rules? Dumb post.

Karma for those who didn't.

Right.... what about the millions who did, and still got it? Like me? I followed all your dumb rules, and still got it.

Please explain.

If everyone who followed the rules didn't get it, and the one who didn't got the virus.... then it's Karma.

If people get the virus, whether they follow the rules or not, that's not Karma. That's a bunch of rules that are stupid and ineffective.

 

[Andylusion]

Yeah, that is one of their slimy tactics, that they do ALL the time. I don't how many times I've explained to these Covid1984 cheerleaders the reasons why the numbers are a total joke. It gets tiring having to repeat oneself over and over and over. And what do they do? The very next day they'll play completely dumb and act as if they never heard it before. Lather, rinse, repeat. Sigh.

Exactly, patients with other serious conditions that die and have covid detected in them are ruled "Covid deaths" this is well know to those who are not hard core lefties who only listen to those with a similar hatred of Trump such as the Democrats and most of the media. They then go off spouting bullshit until they convince themselves that their hatred is rational. These people are seriously mentally ill IMO.

It's not even that. Hospitals were labeling deaths, as covid deaths.... WITHOUT detecting the virus. We know this, because some hospitals were getting money for Covid deaths, before the hospital even had tests available to verify patients had covid.

How can you label someone as dying of Covid.... when you don't even have a test to find out if they have Covid?

Well, easily.. You just call it a Covid death, and get paid by the government.

 

[martybegan]

Convenient timing after that side show they called a debate the other night. Guess they really really really didn't want to debate again. Ha. I'm sure Biden is just as pleased.

Biden was in close proximity for 90 minuets.... He gets a test too...

God will see to it that biden gets it.

All Biden needs to do is touch the surface where the virus is and then touch his face by putting on or taking off his mask and he has got it... Shit happens... and there isn't anything anyone can do about it unless you live in a sterile bubble..

Yup. These lefty meatheads think you can control a virus.

You can't. No matter who runs the show, no matter what they have to say, no matter what they do a pandemic kills. It can't be controlled.

It will get into any country no matter the safeguards that country institutes. Its a killer and can't be controlled.

Of course it can be controlled and reduced in spread.

It can't be eliminated entirely, until at 80 or 90% herd immunity, via vaccination. The small pox virus was killed, eliminated, is one example

because smallpox only infects humans and has no other reservoir or infection source. It also didn't mutate into differing forms like some other viruses do.

ok

But we still can control virus spread, through our actions... we have always been able to ....

With AIDS, wear a rubber...

With the Spanish flu, wear masks, cancelled schools, churches and gatherings of people together...

With measles, quarantine kids at home...

Only the Spanish Flu is applicable, and even then they had to balance risk of infection with risk of economic disaster.

What you are looking for is zero risk of infection at the cost of destroying the economy.

I m not looking for zero risk.

Well that's what your side appears to be selling.

There is no need to "sell it" Marty, it's actually FACT BASED....

Those spreading the bull crud that masks don't work to slow down the spread of infection, are the ones trying to sell the Brooklyn Bridge, to everyone.

Those saying that masks will protect you or imply they will protect you 100% are trying to sell you the bridge.

I searched all the way to the end of the internet (it's granny porn, btw), and I couldn't find anyone who said or implied masks will protect you 100%. You may have to look elsewhere for your bridge.

They imply it when they force everyone to wear them and don't tell people it only lowers your risk (actually lowering other's risk)

I guess you haven't seen the ads and signs, "I wear a mask for you". Another failure of the Trump administration is not creating a nationwide advertising campaign for mask wearing and social distancing. Of course that would be rather hypocritical when the president is mocking and downplaying it.

The President cannot mandate the wearing of garb. If he did that you guys would be accusing him of being a tyrant. Grow up.

Yes he can but cowardly he didn’t because of incompetent and ineptness.

No, he can't. Even if he did the only law enforcement agency he has that could enforce it is the FBI. He could also use other FEDERAL officers, or nationalize the guard to do it, but with the guard you run into posese commitus issues.

The president would not have had to mandate wearing masks or social distancing. All he had to do was give full support to the recommendations of the CDC on mask wearing and social distancing. However what we got from the president was comments about mask wearing being an individual choice and comments casting doubt on it's effectiveness such as, "Some people say their great, other that their good, and not so great". This is not how you convince the public to do something that is inconvenient and unpleasant at times.

What the country needed was a campaign similar to what we had in 50's and 60's in the fight against Polio. We needed public ads on TV, posters, and public figures urging people to wear masks and keep social distance. What we got was rebellion against the only know method to prevent the spread of the disease, over 200,000 dead, and a president saying, "What will be, will be."

So you wanted him to lie to the public and say masks work 100% of the time?

You would have called him out for that.

The economy wasn't shut down for Polio.

WHY do you do this dishonest crap, ALL the time Marty?

Where did Flopper say he wanted Trump to say masks work 100% of the time?

No where.

It's the way you idiots harp on and on about MASKS MASKS MASKS like their fucking talisman that will keep the COVID mojo away.

 

[martybegan]

I wonder if Trump still thinks it's a hoax?

There are two types of people who believe that Trump said the virus is a hoax.

Type 1 are people who don't really follow politics. They just heard the lie about Trump on the fake news or in casual conversation or something and never bothered to fact check it. They are not aware that the Democrats are such despicable lying immoral America hating scumbags that they would purposefully and relentlessly disseminate dangerous defamatory disinformation regarding COVID 19. They have only heard one side of the story and are a bit naive regarding exactly how fucking evil Democrats really are. It's simply unfathomable for them to believe that Democrats would stoop so low that they would spread such an unconscionable lie. A lie that has certainly caused an untold number of Americans to die a slow painful death drowning in their own bodily fluids.

My aunt was type one. She doesn't follow politics. She's never even voted before in her life. She wasn't taking prudent precautions to because she heard that the POTUS said the virus was a hoax. She didn't start taking prudent precautions until after I informed her that the POTUS never said that. She was so incredulous that anyone would spread such a unconscionable lie that I had to send her a link to the unedited version of Trump's speech before she believed me.

Type 2 are low IQ individuals. TDS afflicted morons who do not possess the critical thinking skills necessary to fact check anything. They are feeble-minded individuals who's low IQ makes them extremely suggestable and therefore easily brainwashed by the fake news media via the simplest brainwashing technique. Repeated messaging. They will believe whatever lie about Trump has been told to them repeatedly, even after they have been informed of the truth. If they are told both the truth and a lie, they will believe whatever they heard most often. And in this case, they believe the lie because they were simply told the lie more often than the truth. In their simpleton minds, the lie becomes the truth. They're idiots.

You are not type 1. You have been informed on this very board that Trump never said that the virus was a hoax.

On the last Friday of February 2020 during the first major breakout of the virus in the US, Trump held a campaign rally in South Carolina and made comments during a speech in which he accused Democrats of “politicizing” the coronavirus outbreak that left many with the impression that he had referred to the virus itself as a “hoax.” He of course was referring to Democrat comments in the media about the seriousness of the virus and that it was not just the flu. Trump did not say "the virus is a hoax" but that is exactly what he meant. His downplaying of virus, misrepresenting the facts, attacking medical experts that were cautioning the public confirms that a hoax is exactly what he thought or what he hoped the voters would think.

Apparently you believe in categorizing people which is at the heart of the greatest problems this country faces. The problem with categorizing people is that when we do that we dehumanize them. People are no longer individuals, with unique backgrounds, upbringings, genes, quirks, traits and opinions. Instead, people are symbols. They are black or white or Irish Catholic or liberal or conservative or rich or poor. When you lump people into categories, they becomes symbols not individuals. And that leads to deep resentments, persecution, harassment, riots, and bloodshed.

Now see, there you go with "he didn't directly say it, but we know what he meant" bullcrap. You Democrats have been trying to figure Trump out ever since his office was bugged, and you still don't know crap.

Fast forward to now in virus land, and you'll see that it doesn't matter on either side what was said about the virus, because this virus does what it wants to do when it wants to do it. Mask don't work, even though they might mitigate flying debris from a person sneezing or coughing if sick, but the spread isn't slowing. Trump fast tracking a vaccine is the only answer.

Mask don’t work? NOW we see Trump going to his helicopter wearing a mask and the rest of his team are now wearing mask.

Convenient timing after that side show they called a debate the other night. Guess they really really really didn't want to debate again. Ha. I'm sure Biden is just as pleased.

Biden was in close proximity for 90 minuets.... He gets a test too...

God will see to it that biden gets it.

All Biden needs to do is touch the surface where the virus is and then touch his face by putting on or taking off his mask and he has got it... Shit happens... and there isn't anything anyone can do about it unless you live in a sterile bubble..

Yup. These lefty meatheads think you can control a virus.

You can't. No matter who runs the show, no matter what they have to say, no matter what they do a pandemic kills. It can't be controlled.

It will get into any country no matter the safeguards that country institutes. Its a killer and can't be controlled.

Of course it can be controlled and reduced in spread.

It can't be eliminated entirely, until at 80 or 90% herd immunity, via vaccination. The small pox virus was killed, eliminated, is one example

because smallpox only infects humans and has no other reservoir or infection source. It also didn't mutate into differing forms like some other viruses do.

ok

But we still can control virus spread, through our actions... we have always been able to ....

With AIDS, wear a rubber...

With the Spanish flu, wear masks, cancelled schools, churches and gatherings of people together...

With measles, quarantine kids at home...

Only the Spanish Flu is applicable, and even then they had to balance risk of infection with risk of economic disaster.

What you are looking for is zero risk of infection at the cost of destroying the economy.

I m not looking for zero risk.

Well that's what your side appears to be selling.

There is no need to "sell it" Marty, it's actually FACT BASED....

Those spreading the bull crud that masks don't work to slow down the spread of infection, are the ones trying to sell the Brooklyn Bridge, to everyone.

Those saying that masks will protect you or imply they will protect you 100% are trying to sell you the bridge.

I searched all the way to the end of the internet (it's granny porn, btw), and I couldn't find anyone who said or implied masks will protect you 100%. You may have to look elsewhere for your bridge.

They imply it when they force everyone to wear them and don't tell people it only lowers your risk (actually lowering other's risk)

I guess you haven't seen the ads and signs, "I wear a mask for you". Another failure of the Trump administration is not creating a nationwide advertising campaign for mask wearing and social distancing. Of course that would be rather hypocritical when the president is mocking and downplaying it.

The President cannot mandate the wearing of garb. If he did that you guys would be accusing him of being a tyrant. Grow up.

Yes he can but cowardly he didn’t because of incompetent and ineptness.

No, he can't. Even if he did the only law enforcement agency he has that could enforce it is the FBI. He could also use other FEDERAL officers, or nationalize the guard to do it, but with the guard you run into posese commitus issues.

Yes he can. The least minimum he can do was to encourage people to wear mask. Not discouraged people not to wear mask.At the same the main source misinformation and conspiracies. That alone he failed big time.

What are his exact quotes about mask usage and requirements?

Oh dear.
His own administration policy and even his own surgeon general beg people to wear mask. On top of CDC and NIH wear that damn mask.
Trump told Americans in his town hall meeting that mask is not good because a waitress told him.
He mocked Biden for wearing mask even inside the debate. What am I missing Marty?

Wearing a mask at all, or wearing a mask in situations where it its pointless or just theater?

Then you should call Trump administration, CDC, NIH to revised their policy that mask is worthless. During the debate .......... Trump even mentioned he wear and pulled a mask from his pocket.. Don’t tell me he is lying again.

Where did they say a mask is worthless?

They ( CDC, NIH, Trump administration) never said mask is worthless. You and your fellow gullibles keep repeating mask is worthless. You can twist a wet pretzels how ever you want but you are losing.

Then why do people keep claiming trump is against using masks at all?

Trump mask is not good because a waitress told him.

More worthless posting from a drooling mouthbreather.

Don't you have some ChiComm dick to suck?

I understand truth hurts.
Here is the exact link when Trump told millions of Americans that mask is not good because waitress told him.

I am NOT going to lower my class to your low life miserable class. I accept this as your defeat.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/09/15/parsing-trumps-baffling-head-slapping-comments-mask-wearing/?outputType=amp

He talked about the fact that while wearing the masks they are touching things and then the masks and how the efficiency could be ruined by that.

Do you actually read the links you provide?

 

[martybegan]

Convenient timing after that side show they called a debate the other night. Guess they really really really didn't want to debate again. Ha. I'm sure Biden is just as pleased.

Biden was in close proximity for 90 minuets.... He gets a test too...

God will see to it that biden gets it.

All Biden needs to do is touch the surface where the virus is and then touch his face by putting on or taking off his mask and he has got it... Shit happens... and there isn't anything anyone can do about it unless you live in a sterile bubble..

Yup. These lefty meatheads think you can control a virus.

You can't. No matter who runs the show, no matter what they have to say, no matter what they do a pandemic kills. It can't be controlled.

It will get into any country no matter the safeguards that country institutes. Its a killer and can't be controlled.

Of course it can be controlled and reduced in spread.

It can't be eliminated entirely, until at 80 or 90% herd immunity, via vaccination. The small pox virus was killed, eliminated, is one example

because smallpox only infects humans and has no other reservoir or infection source. It also didn't mutate into differing forms like some other viruses do.

ok

But we still can control virus spread, through our actions... we have always been able to ....

With AIDS, wear a rubber...

With the Spanish flu, wear masks, cancelled schools, churches and gatherings of people together...

With measles, quarantine kids at home...

Only the Spanish Flu is applicable, and even then they had to balance risk of infection with risk of economic disaster.

What you are looking for is zero risk of infection at the cost of destroying the economy.

I m not looking for zero risk.

Well that's what your side appears to be selling.

There is no need to "sell it" Marty, it's actually FACT BASED....

Those spreading the bull crud that masks don't work to slow down the spread of infection, are the ones trying to sell the Brooklyn Bridge, to everyone.

Those saying that masks will protect you or imply they will protect you 100% are trying to sell you the bridge.

I searched all the way to the end of the internet (it's granny porn, btw), and I couldn't find anyone who said or implied masks will protect you 100%. You may have to look elsewhere for your bridge.

They imply it when they force everyone to wear them and don't tell people it only lowers your risk (actually lowering other's risk)

I guess you haven't seen the ads and signs, "I wear a mask for you". Another failure of the Trump administration is not creating a nationwide advertising campaign for mask wearing and social distancing. Of course that would be rather hypocritical when the president is mocking and downplaying it.

The President cannot mandate the wearing of garb. If he did that you guys would be accusing him of being a tyrant. Grow up.

Yes he can but cowardly he didn’t because of incompetent and ineptness.

No, he can't. Even if he did the only law enforcement agency he has that could enforce it is the FBI. He could also use other FEDERAL officers, or nationalize the guard to do it, but with the guard you run into posese commitus issues.

The president would not have had to mandate wearing masks or social distancing. All he had to do was give full support to the recommendations of the CDC on mask wearing and social distancing. However what we got from the president was comments about mask wearing being an individual choice and comments casting doubt on it's effectiveness such as, "Some people say their great, other that their good, and not so great". This is not how you convince the public to do something that is inconvenient and unpleasant at times.

What the country needed was a campaign similar to what we had in 50's and 60's in the fight against Polio. We needed public ads on TV, posters, and public figures urging people to wear masks and keep social distance. What we got was rebellion against the only know method to prevent the spread of the disease, over 200,000 dead, and a president saying, "What will be, will be."

So you wanted him to lie to the public and say masks work 100% of the time?

You would have called him out for that.

The economy wasn't shut down for Polio.

No stupid. He could have simply said wear mask to helps stop the spread of the virus. Just like what his Covid-19 policy says... and his own surgeon general recommend. But do not go around spreading misinformation and that mask is not good. That is the worst thing he is doing right now.

We would could have called him from that..... Again. Yes and yes because all presidents policy you expect a criticism no matter how good or bad. That comes with the job.
They always say.... DAMN IF YOU DO DAMN IF YOU DONT. But that doesn’t apply to this lousy, inept and incompetent president.

DENG WHAT DID YOU DO KID?
DENG WHAT DID YOU SAY KID? That is Trump.

He said masks could not be good in certain situations.

I have men entering confined spaces, and doing crane lifts. Masks hide their mouths, and make the situation unsafe.

Should I force them to wear masks in those cases because MASKS MASKS MASKS

Do people really have to wear masks spread out in parks? or walking by each other for 2 fucking seconds on a sidewalk?

 

[Leo123]

He talked about the fact that while wearing the masks they are touching things and then the masks and how the efficiency could be ruined by that.

Do you actually read the links you provide?

They only parrot what the Democrats and the lamestream media tells them what to regurgitate. They all march in lock-step like a bunch of brown shirts.

 

[Leo123]

It's not even that. Hospitals were labeling deaths, as covid deaths.... WITHOUT detecting the virus. We know this, because some hospitals were getting money for Covid deaths, before the hospital even had tests available to verify patients had covid.

How can you label someone as dying of Covid.... when you don't even have a test to find out if they have Covid?

Well, easily.. You just call it a Covid death, and get paid by the government.

That is what I have been saying all along. The data is contaminated so any reliable statistical analysis is impossible. It's the old computer programmer's meme "Garbage in, Garbage out" these brain damaged TDSers drink up that garbage swill like mother's milk.

 

[Flopper]

Trump is first and foremost a politician now. If wearing a mask, will stop people from freaking out about him not wearing a mask, then he'll wear a mask.

He could have done that from the beginning but he didn't.

Trump first mentioned masks last March when questioned whether masks would be necessary. Immediately, the media jumped in and accused him of going against his medical advisors. Facui effectively said yes people should start wearing masks. However, Trump never said people should not mask but he continued to question it with statements like, "Some people say masks are great others good and some not so good.", "I believe it's an individual choice". And whenever he was asked about masks he would either question their value or would give a half hearted endorsement then he would proceed to mock people who wore masks or issue some other statement that supporters would interpret that he did not consider them of any value. So he would just continue to double down on remarks. This is typical of Trump no matter how wrong he might be he just can't seem to back down. One exception was admission that Obama was a citizen. That was in 2016 when he was being threaten with a large lost of support.

How many times have you heard Trump say, I was wrong or sorry got the facts wrong, or I made a mistake. Trump believes admitting you're wrong or you failed is a sign of weakness. To this day, he does not admit he failed in his many businesses that failed. They were all tax write offs, bankers that failed him, the economy, or whatever, but not Trump. His old buddy, Harry Cohn told him, "Don't defend, attack, attack, attack." "Never admit you're wrong or you failed. Blame it on someone else or have someone else admit to the failure. Trump has come pretty close to living by these words and that is exactly what he is doing today. And it has worked well for him. And undoubtable, his behavior is going to set a precedent for other presidents to come. So don't think once Trump is out of office this behavior is going to go away.

 

[Slade3200]

It's not even that. Hospitals were labeling deaths, as covid deaths.... WITHOUT detecting the virus. We know this, because some hospitals were getting money for Covid deaths, before the hospital even had tests available to verify patients had covid.

How can you label someone as dying of Covid.... when you don't even have a test to find out if they have Covid?

Well, easily.. You just call it a Covid death, and get paid by the government.

That is what I have been saying all along. The data is contaminated so any reliable statistical analysis is impossible. It's the old computer programmer's meme "Garbage in, Garbage out" these brain damaged TDSers drink up that garbage swill like mother's milk.

You both are trying sooooo hard to downplay this thing. Why? You realize your side of the argument results in more people literally dying right?

 

[Faun]

The flu routinely sends people to the hospitals every single year.

When is the last time the flu killed 214,000 Americans in a year? I'll wait.

You didn't say that. You said it was serious if they went to a hospital. The common cold, sends people to the hospital. Not even the flu... just the common cold.

As for in a single year.... Not relevant.

Per capita death rates are lower than the flu. Even the CDC shows that.

Besides that, we already know the death rates for Covid-19 are drastically over blown. We know that for a fact, because hospitals were paid more money if they claimed any given death was covid-19, and so they were labeling every single death they could as being a Covid death, even without even testing to see if the person had Covid.

So not worried about it.

"Per capita death rates are lower than the flu. Even the CDC shows that."

From where do you numbnuts get your info??

2016-2017, the flu claimed as many as 61,000 out of 29 million infected. That's 1 out of every 475 cases.

Whereas COVID-19 has claimed 214,611 out of 7,636,912 infected. 1 out of 36 cases.

Burden of Influenza

Learn about how CDC estimates the burden of seasonal influenza in the U.S.

www.cdc.gov

 

[Leo123]

You both are trying sooooo hard to downplay this thing. Why? You realize your side of the argument results in more people literally dying right?

I, for one, am trying to present the other side of the argument which you and your fellow TDSers regurgitate on a daily basis here on the Forum. Look, we know you hate Trump you have made no bones about that so, anything you post is suspect in the first place. Your hysteria in trying to accuse me and others who disagree with you of causing people to die only provides further evidence of your unfounded and unbridled hatred of one man and your unstable mental state.