Trump Bombed In His Address!

JimofPennsylvan

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What President Trump in his national address tonight demonstrated with a titanic size flood light is that he screwed-up big-big-big-time, he committed the Grandfather of all screw-ups, in listening to the likes of Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity in backing out of the deal with the House and the Senate to sign the Continuing Resolution to keep the government open. He demonstrated tonight that he doesn't have the case to make all those millions of Americans directly and indirectly significantly hurt by the shutdown to go through the hardship they will go through to force Congress to fund his campaign promise of a wall. President Trump hasn't learned the lesson that Representative Steny Hoyer and Senator Dick Durbin told him loud and clearly in his immigration summit in the White House way back in January of 2018 when they said to the President when you're talking about all these things like more Judges, more detention facilities, more security measures, etc. to stop the illegal immigration through America's southern border "you're talking comprehensive immigration reform and if you want to negotiate legislation to reach this goal you have to be willing to provide legal status to a large portion of the eleven million undocumented immigrants currently in America". President Trump in his Address quite effectively articulated the harm coming from illegal immigration through America's southern border but he also articulated how clueless he is in knowing the political path to solving the problem. President Trump quite stupidly believes the American people were all born yesterday the American people have known the scope of this terrible "illegal immigration" wound on the body of America for the last twenty years were waiting for a President that has the leadership skills to create the complex and extensive legislative solution needed to solve this problem. In this Address President Trump showed he offers America no hope in solving this problem.


President Trump if he has a modicum of wisdom in the cavity between his ears will charge his staff to pull out all the stops in trying to pull out a face saving solution to this Government Shutdown. Face Saving 101 would call for him to abandon all talk of the wall, the wall is dead for the 2019 Budget. The Trump Administration should fall back on the provision of the 2018 Omnibus Spending bill which provided for funding for fencing with designs in existence prior to 2018. Bollard (Metal Post) fences work as a security measure and it isn't wasteful spending like a hugely costly wall would be! Chris Cuomo made an excellent point on his program tonight when he said that President Trump makes his best case for added security protections when he talks like Border Patrol authorities tell me the country needs X,Y and Z to strengthen the border the way it should be strengthened and leaves it at that!


In the rebuttal, Senator Schumer's remarks I thought were appropriate and one could respect his point of view because he acknowledged that illegal immigration through the southern border is wrong and we need to address it. On the other hand, Speaker Pelosi's remarks were disappointing and very troubling. The Speaker's remarks were alarmingly off the mark the mass of people trying to enter our country without visas on the southern border aren't women and children and the good characterization of what is going on isn't that it is a humanitarian crisis. It is a crisis where these people are fleeing failed countries, countries where extortion, kidnapping, bribery and murder run rampant and inundate the countries. As much as the American people should hope these countries stop their failure and become good countries we should strongly as strongly can be say in words and behavior that we are not your savior to these people don't come to our country we have serious problems of our own our country is a failed country for many of our people we have to fix our country for these citizens of ours we cannot take you in, period, to do so would not be right to those Americans America owes much more to than they currently get! It is really alarming if the Democrat Party's position is what the Speaker seems to be saying which is that coming to America is the solution for these millions and millions of suffering people from Central and South America it is America's obligation to write the humanitarian wrong for these people!
 
What President Trump in his national address tonight demonstrated with a titanic size flood light is that he screwed-up big-big-big-time, he committed the Grandfather of all screw-ups, in listening to the likes of Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity in backing out of the deal with the House and the Senate to sign the Continuing Resolution to keep the government open. He demonstrated tonight that he doesn't have the case to make all those millions of Americans directly and indirectly significantly hurt by the shutdown to go through the hardship they will go through to force Congress to fund his campaign promise of a wall. President Trump hasn't learned the lesson that Representative Steny Hoyer and Senator Dick Durbin told him loud and clearly in his immigration summit in the White House way back in January of 2018 when they said to the President when you're talking about all these things like more Judges, more detention facilities, more security measures, etc. to stop the illegal immigration through America's southern border "you're talking comprehensive immigration reform and if you want to negotiate legislation to reach this goal you have to be willing to provide legal status to a large portion of the eleven million undocumented immigrants currently in America". President Trump in his Address quite effectively articulated the harm coming from illegal immigration through America's southern border but he also articulated how clueless he is in knowing the political path to solving the problem. President Trump quite stupidly believes the American people were all born yesterday the American people have known the scope of this terrible "illegal immigration" wound on the body of America for the last twenty years were waiting for a President that has the leadership skills to create the complex and extensive legislative solution needed to solve this problem. In this Address President Trump showed he offers America no hope in solving this problem.


President Trump if he has a modicum of wisdom in the cavity between his ears will charge his staff to pull out all the stops in trying to pull out a face saving solution to this Government Shutdown. Face Saving 101 would call for him to abandon all talk of the wall, the wall is dead for the 2019 Budget. The Trump Administration should fall back on the provision of the 2018 Omnibus Spending bill which provided for funding for fencing with designs in existence prior to 2018. Bollard (Metal Post) fences work as a security measure and it isn't wasteful spending like a hugely costly wall would be! Chris Cuomo made an excellent point on his program tonight when he said that President Trump makes his best case for added security protections when he talks like Border Patrol authorities tell me the country needs X,Y and Z to strengthen the border the way it should be strengthened and leaves it at that!


In the rebuttal, Senator Schumer's remarks I thought were appropriate and one could respect his point of view because he acknowledged that illegal immigration through the southern border is wrong and we need to address it. On the other hand, Speaker Pelosi's remarks were disappointing and very troubling. The Speaker's remarks were alarmingly off the mark the mass of people trying to enter our country without visas on the southern border aren't women and children and the good characterization of what is going on isn't that it is a humanitarian crisis. It is a crisis where these people are fleeing failed countries, countries where extortion, kidnapping, bribery and murder run rampant and inundate the countries. As much as the American people should hope these countries stop their failure and become good countries we should strongly as strongly can be say in words and behavior that we are not your savior to these people don't come to our country we have serious problems of our own our country is a failed country for many of our people we have to fix our country for these citizens of ours we cannot take you in, period, to do so would not be right to those Americans America owes much more to than they currently get! It is really alarming if the Democrat Party's position is what the Speaker seems to be saying which is that coming to America is the solution for these millions and millions of suffering people from Central and South America it is America's obligation to write the humanitarian wrong for these people!

OMG, that is the biggest pile of horse crap I have read here.

Enjoy the shutdown!
 
They wont stop bringing drugs. Criminals pour in running from SA or Mexican law. No downside to any improved wall. Border Patrol asks for it, who am i to argue or say no? It pays for itself quickly.
 
Communist/Democrats claimed he lied, gave false statistics. Fact checkers will prove them wrong over the next few days. The only thing Trump failed to do (IMO) is what Reagan always did when he wanted something. He instructed Americans to call or send letters to their Senators and House Reps, telling them to support him. It worked then and it would work now. Dems live by the polls and public pressure. They will ultimately cave because the American people want border security and that includes the WALL.
 
What President Trump in his national address tonight demonstrated with a titanic size flood light is that he screwed-up big-big-big-time, he committed the Grandfather of all screw-ups, in listening to the likes of Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity in backing out of the deal with the House and the Senate to sign the Continuing Resolution to keep the government open. He demonstrated tonight that he doesn't have the case to make all those millions of Americans directly and indirectly significantly hurt by the shutdown to go through the hardship they will go through to force Congress to fund his campaign promise of a wall. President Trump hasn't learned the lesson that Representative Steny Hoyer and Senator Dick Durbin told him loud and clearly in his immigration summit in the White House way back in January of 2018 when they said to the President when you're talking about all these things like more Judges, more detention facilities, more security measures, etc. to stop the illegal immigration through America's southern border "you're talking comprehensive immigration reform and if you want to negotiate legislation to reach this goal you have to be willing to provide legal status to a large portion of the eleven million undocumented immigrants currently in America". President Trump in his Address quite effectively articulated the harm coming from illegal immigration through America's southern border but he also articulated how clueless he is in knowing the political path to solving the problem. President Trump quite stupidly believes the American people were all born yesterday the American people have known the scope of this terrible "illegal immigration" wound on the body of America for the last twenty years were waiting for a President that has the leadership skills to create the complex and extensive legislative solution needed to solve this problem. In this Address President Trump showed he offers America no hope in solving this problem.


President Trump if he has a modicum of wisdom in the cavity between his ears will charge his staff to pull out all the stops in trying to pull out a face saving solution to this Government Shutdown. Face Saving 101 would call for him to abandon all talk of the wall, the wall is dead for the 2019 Budget. The Trump Administration should fall back on the provision of the 2018 Omnibus Spending bill which provided for funding for fencing with designs in existence prior to 2018. Bollard (Metal Post) fences work as a security measure and it isn't wasteful spending like a hugely costly wall would be! Chris Cuomo made an excellent point on his program tonight when he said that President Trump makes his best case for added security protections when he talks like Border Patrol authorities tell me the country needs X,Y and Z to strengthen the border the way it should be strengthened and leaves it at that!


In the rebuttal, Senator Schumer's remarks I thought were appropriate and one could respect his point of view because he acknowledged that illegal immigration through the southern border is wrong and we need to address it. On the other hand, Speaker Pelosi's remarks were disappointing and very troubling. The Speaker's remarks were alarmingly off the mark the mass of people trying to enter our country without visas on the southern border aren't women and children and the good characterization of what is going on isn't that it is a humanitarian crisis. It is a crisis where these people are fleeing failed countries, countries where extortion, kidnapping, bribery and murder run rampant and inundate the countries. As much as the American people should hope these countries stop their failure and become good countries we should strongly as strongly can be say in words and behavior that we are not your savior to these people don't come to our country we have serious problems of our own our country is a failed country for many of our people we have to fix our country for these citizens of ours we cannot take you in, period, to do so would not be right to those Americans America owes much more to than they currently get! It is really alarming if the Democrat Party's position is what the Speaker seems to be saying which is that coming to America is the solution for these millions and millions of suffering people from Central and South America it is America's obligation to write the humanitarian wrong for these people!

I didn't listen to any of the addresses. It doesn't sound like I missed much. From the lack of grandstanding from the supporters of the Cheeto, I assume he bombed pretty badly.

We can't have open borders but we can have open hearts. Stripping kids from their parents is terrible in any light; done in the name of deterrence is flat out sick. This is what the administration is doing.
 
Fact check: Trump’s speech on border ‘crisis’

https://www.politico.com

Here are some of the untruths and distortions in Trump's speech, most of which he's uttered before.

Is there a growing crisis?
A "pipeline" for drugs?
"Thousands killed"
Did the Democrats request steel?
Would Mexico pay?
Did Schumer ever support a border wall?
"One reason and one reason only"
 
What President Trump in his national address tonight demonstrated with a titanic size flood light is that he screwed-up big-big-big-time, he committed the Grandfather of all screw-ups, in listening to the likes of Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity in backing out of the deal with the House and the Senate to sign the Continuing Resolution to keep the government open. He demonstrated tonight that he doesn't have the case to make all those millions of Americans directly and indirectly significantly hurt by the shutdown to go through the hardship they will go through to force Congress to fund his campaign promise of a wall. President Trump hasn't learned the lesson that Representative Steny Hoyer and Senator Dick Durbin told him loud and clearly in his immigration summit in the White House way back in January of 2018 when they said to the President when you're talking about all these things like more Judges, more detention facilities, more security measures, etc. to stop the illegal immigration through America's southern border "you're talking comprehensive immigration reform and if you want to negotiate legislation to reach this goal you have to be willing to provide legal status to a large portion of the eleven million undocumented immigrants currently in America". President Trump in his Address quite effectively articulated the harm coming from illegal immigration through America's southern border but he also articulated how clueless he is in knowing the political path to solving the problem. President Trump quite stupidly believes the American people were all born yesterday the American people have known the scope of this terrible "illegal immigration" wound on the body of America for the last twenty years were waiting for a President that has the leadership skills to create the complex and extensive legislative solution needed to solve this problem. In this Address President Trump showed he offers America no hope in solving this problem.


President Trump if he has a modicum of wisdom in the cavity between his ears will charge his staff to pull out all the stops in trying to pull out a face saving solution to this Government Shutdown. Face Saving 101 would call for him to abandon all talk of the wall, the wall is dead for the 2019 Budget. The Trump Administration should fall back on the provision of the 2018 Omnibus Spending bill which provided for funding for fencing with designs in existence prior to 2018. Bollard (Metal Post) fences work as a security measure and it isn't wasteful spending like a hugely costly wall would be! Chris Cuomo made an excellent point on his program tonight when he said that President Trump makes his best case for added security protections when he talks like Border Patrol authorities tell me the country needs X,Y and Z to strengthen the border the way it should be strengthened and leaves it at that!


In the rebuttal, Senator Schumer's remarks I thought were appropriate and one could respect his point of view because he acknowledged that illegal immigration through the southern border is wrong and we need to address it. On the other hand, Speaker Pelosi's remarks were disappointing and very troubling. The Speaker's remarks were alarmingly off the mark the mass of people trying to enter our country without visas on the southern border aren't women and children and the good characterization of what is going on isn't that it is a humanitarian crisis. It is a crisis where these people are fleeing failed countries, countries where extortion, kidnapping, bribery and murder run rampant and inundate the countries. As much as the American people should hope these countries stop their failure and become good countries we should strongly as strongly can be say in words and behavior that we are not your savior to these people don't come to our country we have serious problems of our own our country is a failed country for many of our people we have to fix our country for these citizens of ours we cannot take you in, period, to do so would not be right to those Americans America owes much more to than they currently get! It is really alarming if the Democrat Party's position is what the Speaker seems to be saying which is that coming to America is the solution for these millions and millions of suffering people from Central and South America it is America's obligation to write the humanitarian wrong for these people!
Trump drones on when he reads from a teleprompter. It's incredibly painful to watch, but horrible to listen to - unless one has been vaccinated with the koolaid first
 
Lol! Didn’t listen to his speech nor the rebuttal, however your partisan BS is the biggest pile I have read in a long time. The OP is just full of himself. Now, let the lefty extremist praise you for your rubbish.
 
Communist/Democrats claimed he lied, gave false statistics. Fact checkers will prove them wrong over the next few days. The only thing Trump failed to do (IMO) is what Reagan always did when he wanted something. He instructed Americans to call or send letters to their Senators and House Reps, telling them to support him. It worked then and it would work now. Dems live by the polls and public pressure. They will ultimately cave because the American people want border security and that includes the WALL.
Your posts are almost as horrible a those stupid podcasts you set up
 
They wont stop bringing drugs. Criminals pour in running from SA or Mexican law. No downside to any improved wall. Border Patrol asks for it, who am i to argue or say no? It pays for itself quickly.
But has border patrol asked for a Trump style wall?
 
From what I have heard from people, he didn't bomb. But he didn't do nearly a good enough job to save his political skin on the shutdown (which is only going to get worse and worse as fed workers get more desperate and start telling the media about it).

In language Trump would understand - he needed an eagle...but only hit par.
 
They wont stop bringing drugs. Criminals pour in running from SA or Mexican law. No downside to any improved wall. Border Patrol asks for it, who am i to argue or say no? It pays for itself quickly.
But has border patrol asked for a Trump style wall?

Excellent question.

Have they?
When people like former General Kelley say one things, and Trump disagrees -- safe bet is go with Kelly
 
Democrat socialists have deluded themselves into believing that Americans want 150 million central Americans here.

It was a fund raising speech. He sent out emails before the speech saying he needed massive donations to show how many supported him. He sent out another after the speech to people on their mailing list that didn't donate trying to guilt them into giving. Nothing more than another fund raising scam.
 
If you're a Republican, and or a conservative, the speech was ok.

If you're a Dim, and or a liberal, the speech was bad.

In this incredibly divided nation, I sincerely doubt many minds were changed.
 
Communist/Democrats claimed he lied, gave false statistics. Fact checkers will prove them wrong over the next few days. The only thing Trump failed to do (IMO) is what Reagan always did when he wanted something. He instructed Americans to call or send letters to their Senators and House Reps, telling them to support him. It worked then and it would work now. Dems live by the polls and public pressure. They will ultimately cave because the American people want border security and that includes the WALL.
Your posts are almost as horrible a those stupid podcasts you set up
Says the guy who started this ridiculous thread. LOL
 
Democrat socialists have deluded themselves into believing that Americans want 150 million central Americans here.

It was a fund raising speech. He sent out emails before the speech saying he needed massive donations to show how many supported him. He sent out another after the speech to people on their mailing list that didn't donate trying to guilt them into giving. Nothing more than another fund raising scam.
No, he didn't.
 

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