Trump can't secure the $454 million bond

[Zincwarrior]

Oh absolutely there are 5th, 8th, and 14th amendment issues here. That is very much in the SCOTUS's wheelhouse.

Ok. Put up the money and lets find out.

She said she would personally pad lock the doors... she is the one who isn't "right" in the head....

That works too.

Its a violation of the 8th Amendment. The Supreme Court will take it up.

Vacate the decision based on lack of due process and excessive fines, obviously.

Who knows, I could be wrong. Put up the money and lets all find out!

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Oh absolutely there are 5th, 8th, and 14th amendment issues here. That is very much in the SCOTUS's wheelhouse.

"absolutely there are 5th, 8th, and 14th amendment issues here?"

You're nuts.

next

 

[martybegan]

Clue:

The judge determined that Trump, top officials at the Trump Organization, and his companies submitted "blatantly false financial data" to accountants in order to borrow more money at more favorable interest rates.

"When confronted at trial with the statements, defendants' fact and expert witnesses simply denied reality, and defendants failed to accept responsibility or to impose internal controls to prevent future recurrences," Engoron wrote.

He said the frauds in the case "leap off the page and shock the conscience."

Judge in Trump's New York fraud case orders him to pay $354 million in penalties, plus millions more in interest

The judge's ruling bars former President Donald Trump from conducting business in New York for three years. Trump has vowed to appeal.

www.cbsnews.com

The biased judge delivered a biased verdict.

 

[martybegan]

Huh? Political hit job?

yes, political hit job.

 

[Rambunctious]

Ok. Put up the money and lets find out.


That works too.



Who knows, I could be wrong. Put up the money and lets all find out!

You are wrong...

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

No one believes that....

Fact: The way the penalty (minus the interest) was arrived at was not at all unusual.

and...

quotes:
“Bartov is a tenured professor, but all that his testimony proves is that for a million or so dollars, some experts will say whatever you want them to say,” Engoron wrote.

During his testimony, Bartov claimed to have been paid approximately $877,500 in total for his work as a defense expert.

The judge continued that Bartov’s testimony completely contradicted the findings of the court’s summary judgment from months prior, which ruled that Trump had fraudulently inflated the value of his assets and overall net worth on his statements of financial condition.

“His overarching point was that the subject statements of financial condition were accurate in every respect,” Engoron wrote. “As this court discussed in excruciating detail in its September 26, 2023 summary judgment decision, the statements of financial condition contained numerous obvious errors. By doggedly attempting to justify every misstatement, Professor Bartov lost all credibility.”

Judge: Trump’s star witness ‘lost all credibility’ after NYC fraud testimony

Judge Arthur Engoron blasted expert Eli Bartov's testimony while denying Trump's motion to toss the case.

www.courthousenews.com

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

yes, political hit job.

Great legal argument.

next

 

[Zincwarrior]

You are wrong...

SO now you're arguing he shouldn't appeal? Pick a team bro.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Its a violation of the 8th Amendment. The Supreme Court will take it up.

No, I don't believe they will.

 

[martybegan]

Great legal argument.

next

Usual SJW troll-twat.

Keep it up, mouthbreather.

 

[para bellum]

Ok. Put up the money and lets find out.

The appeal will be heard whether Trump puts up the bond or not. The notice is already filed.

 

[Rambunctious]

SO now you're arguing he shouldn't appeal?

No I'm arguing he can appeal without handing over half a billion dollars... can he put his property up as collateral?... not really because property value can fluctuate and banks know this... if the penalty was reduced to a more reasonable amount a bank would grant a bond... James and her judge knew this and that is why they set it so high... that alone will weigh heave on appeal.... its lawfare and its election tampering of the worst kind....

 

[martybegan]

No I'm arguing he can appeal without handing over half a billion dollars... can he put his property up as collateral?... not really because property value can fluctuate and banks know this... if the penalty was reduced to a more reasonable amount a bank would grant a bond... James and her judge knew this and that is why they set it so high... that alone will weigh heave on appeal.... its lawfare and its election tampering of the worst kind....

He can sue over the requirement for a full bond for the appeal.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

The appeal will be heard whether Trump puts up the bond or not. The notice is already filed.

and martybegan Rambunctious

note:

"The statute does not require intent to commit fraud or anyone to be harmed by the fraud, and it does not give Trump the inherent right to a jury trial, with legal experts noting to CNN that while civil lawsuits that request monetary damages are entitled to a jury trial, cases seeking other “equitable relief”—meaning penalties that force the defendant to take or refrain from taking some kind of action, rather than just paying money—can be decided by a judge alone, which is more common with 63(12) violations and is the case in this trial."

Trump Keeps Attacking This Statute In N.Y. Fraud Case—Here’s Why His Claims Lack Merit

The statute gives the New York AG broad power to prosecute Trump and his company for alleged fraud.

www.forbes.com

 

[martybegan]

and martybegan Rambunctious

note:

"The statute does not require intent to commit fraud or anyone to be harmed by the fraud, and it does not give Trump the inherent right to a jury trial, with legal experts noting to CNN that while civil lawsuits that request monetary damages are entitled to a jury trial, cases seeking other “equitable relief”—meaning penalties that force the defendant to take or refrain from taking some kind of action, rather than just paying money—can be decided by a judge alone, which is more common with 63(12) violations and is the case in this trial."

Trump Keeps Attacking This Statute In N.Y. Fraud Case—Here’s Why His Claims Lack Merit

The statute gives the New York AG broad power to prosecute Trump and his company for alleged fraud.

www.forbes.com

The Statue was designed to be used after someone was convicted of fraud.

The way you describe it the law is unconstitutional on it's face.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

No I'm arguing he can appeal without handing over half a billion dollars... can he put his property up as collateral?... not really because property value can fluctuate and banks know this... if the penalty was reduced to a more reasonable amount a bank would grant a bond... James and her judge knew this and that is why they set it so high... that alone will weigh heave on appeal.... its lawfare and its election tampering of the worst kind....

Reasonable to whom?

 

[Rambunctious]

He can sue over the requirement for a full bond for the appeal.

Trump filed a lawsuit this morning on ABC and Stephanopoulos for libel for saying he was guilty of rape 10 times in one interview of Mace....
I think he may have the bastard this time...

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

The Statue was designed to be used after someone was convicted of fraud.

The way you describe it the law is unconstitutional on it's face.

Judge Arthur Engoron had already found Trump and his company violated 63(12) by fraudulently misstating the value of their assets on financial documents.

Topline: Trump Keeps Attacking This Statute In N.Y. Fraud CaseâHereâs Why His Claims Lack Merit​

Former President Donald Trump continued his attacks on the civil fraud case against him in New York on Tuesday as he returned to the ongoing trial, including making claims that the case against him is “rigged” based on the statute it was brought under—which broadly gave state Attorney General Letitia James the power to prosecute Trump for alleged fraud.

 

[Rambunctious]

Reasonable to whom?

To the bank... if the property value is equal to the bond they won't chance it... property values can change....

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Trump filed a lawsuit this morning on ABC and Stephanopoulos for libel for saying he was guilty of rape 10 times in one interview of Mace....
I think he may have the bastard this time...

good luck with that piece of bs

Note:

NYT
Former President Donald J. Trump filed a defamation lawsuit against ABC News on Monday, arguing that the anchor George Stephanopoulos had harmed his reputation by saying multiple times on-air that Mr. Trump had been found liable for raping the writer E. Jean Carroll.

A jury in a Manhattan civil case last year found Mr. Trump liable for sexually abusing and defaming Ms. Carroll, but did not find the former president liable for rape. The judge, however, later clarified that because of New York’s narrow legal definition of “rape,” the jury’s finding did not mean that Ms. Carroll “failed to prove that Mr. Trump ‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape.’”