Trump can't secure the $454 million bond

[Procrustes Stretched]

Its an 8th Amendment case. A very good one in fact. They didnt like his appraisal so they fined him more money than any company or individual in history? You can act like thats fair, but its not.

That is a federal case. Let the Trump's and their cohorts try and bring a federal case. Challenging the state law as unconstitutional. That is Mr. Trump's political spin. It was never a legal defense.

 

[GMCGeneral]

And like the truckers embargo of NY, I hope investors follow suit.

 

[martybegan]

Lie.

$168 million in lost interest alone.

Then they should have disagreed with the given values and negotiated a higher rate. This wasn't fraud, it was willful acceptance of the values given, or somewhere in between their values for the property and Trump's.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Unlike you I can think for myself and form my own opinions of things.

I also realize my opinions are just that, unlike your ilk who parade your misguided opinions as fact.

So you can't or won't back up your claim "This law has never been used before without an underlying criminal conviction?'

Okay

 

[martybegan]

Again, the SC will have nothing to do with this case. The State of NY decided there was fraud committed in this case, and he got fined. He can appeal but if he wants a stay, he'll have to pony up the cash.

The State of NY cannot ignore due process and the right to a jury trial, both suborned by using the law in question the way James used it.

 

[martybegan]

So you can't or won't back up your claim "This law has never been used before without an underlying criminal conviction?'

Okay

Google is your friend.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

And like the truckers embargo of NY, I hope investors follow suit.

Too funny.

Headline: US truckers have now started reacting as demands for the boycott gained traction on social media. One of the truckers has said there's no strike against NYC.

and that was NYC, not NY state.

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[GMCGeneral]

Too funny.

Headline: US truckers have now started reacting as demands for the boycott gained traction on social media. One of the truckers has said there's no strike against NYC.

and that was NYC, not NY state.

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Doesn't matter. Any assault on that shithole is very welcome news to the rest of us. Although THIS would be better:

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

The State of NY cannot ignore due process and the right to a jury trial, both suborned by using the law in question the way James used it.

Clue:

Dive Brief:

Donald Trump’s attorneys did not forget to check a box to request a jury trial in the Trump Organization fraud trial, New York Supreme Court Judge Arthur Engoron said this week in an effort to clear up misinformation about the high-profile case.

“We are having a non-jury trial because we are hearing a non-jury case,” Engoron said, according to Yahoo! News and ABC News reports. “It would have not helped to make a motion. Nobody forgot to check off a box.”

New York Attorney General Letitia James, who is prosecuting the case against the former president’s company, had requested the matter be decided in a bench trial, and that Trump’s lawyers did not request a jury.

Now again, STOP MAKING STUFF UP.

Trump lawyers didn’t forget to check a box on jury trial, Judge Engoron says

The equitable relief being sought is handled in a bench trial, the judge said during proceedings this week.

www.legaldive.com

 

[Rambunctious]

This is a corporate judgement. Judgments against corporations wherein profits are being disgorged are not uncommon and the amount in comparison to size is not uncommon. A reminder, the corporations were not dissolved. Given this level of fraud - not objected to by the defense - the chances of companies surviving are low. They get dis-incorporated and usually their management goes to prison at Club Fed.

You are the only one who thinks that.... it wasn't even a corporate courtroom.... the case should have been adjudicated by a different state court that deals with Business and Securities Fraud... everything about this ruling is appealable....

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Doesn't matter. Any assault on that shithole is very welcome news to the rest of us. Although THIS would be better:

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YOU MAY HAVE A POINT THERE -- CONSIDERING THAT SHITHOLE PRODUCED DONALD J TRUMP.

 

[martybegan]

Clue:

Dive Brief:

Donald Trump’s attorneys did not forget to check a box to request a jury trial in the Trump Organization fraud trial, New York Supreme Court Judge Arthur Engoron said this week in an effort to clear up misinformation about the high-profile case.

“We are having a non-jury trial because we are hearing a non-jury case,” Engoron said, according to Yahoo! News and ABC News reports. “It would have not helped to make a motion. Nobody forgot to check off a box.”

New York Attorney General Letitia James, who is prosecuting the case against the former president’s company, had requested the matter be decided in a bench trial, and that Trump’s lawyers did not request a jury.

Now again, STOP MAKING STUFF UP.

Trump lawyers didn’t forget to check a box on jury trial, Judge Engoron says

The equitable relief being sought is handled in a bench trial, the judge said during proceedings this week.

www.legaldive.com

You just made my point for me. The reason it could be non-jury is it was always used AFTER an underlying conviction, thus securing the due process rights of the defendant.

Your last two statements contradict each other from the same side, i.e. the judge and the prosecutor.

Do you even read what you copy/paste?

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

The State of NY cannot ignore due process and the right to a jury trial, both suborned by using the law in question the way James used it.

This ground has been covered. Already been over it. Again, the SC won't be involved in this judgement.
He can appeal, and the judgement can either be reduced or vacated.
My guess is that it will be reduced but won't be vacated.

 

[GMCGeneral]

YOU MAY HAVE A POINT THERE -- CONSIDERING THAT SHITHOLE PRODUCED DONALD J TRUMP.

Who now lives in the FREEDOM state of Florida, dogshit.

 

[martybegan]

This ground has been covered. Already been over it. Again, the SC won't be involved in this judgement.
He can appeal, and the judgement can either be reduced or vacated.
My guess is that it will be reduced but won't be vacated.

he has several grounds for appeal, via both State and Federal pathways.

 

[para bellum]

Matters not a lick. He either puts up the bond, or the state can begin seizing his assets to pay the fine.

Or the appellate court can reduce the bond amount, or vacate it entirely.

I'm not sure what you are talking about "an interim stay". A judge overruled this in February.

Yes, that ruling was by Judge Anil Singh of the First Dept. He rejected Trump's offer of a $100 Million bond, but he stayed the provisions barring Trump from doing business in NY and taking out loans from NY banks. That is the interim stay. It is not permanent, those provisions will be decided in the appeal.

 

[Zincwarrior]

You are the only one who thinks that.... it wasn't even a corporate courtroom.... the case should have been adjudicated by a different state court that deals with Business and Securities Fraud... everything about this ruling is appealable....

Post the money and we will find out.

 

[bendog]

The fact that other real estate developers now know the government will come after them if they don't like them for something everyone does, i.e. negotiates the value of collateral, will do actual damage to NY's economy.

The NYT's argument is the same stupidity that the Madoff victims were due more than their investment due to Madoff's "supposed" gains. It's non existent money.

The fact that other real estate developers now know the government will come after them if they don't like them for something everyone does, i.e. negotiates the value of collateral, will do actual damage to NY's economy.

The NYT's argument is the same stupidity that the Madoff victims were due more than their investment due to Madoff's "supposed" gains. It's non existent money.

But the Madoff convictions stood up.

Still, the problem is that State's case pretty much was that "Trump did it more than the other guys." ANd the problem with that is when does it stop being standard business practice and begins being a crime. There's a legal term called "vagueness." If a person of normal intelligence can't tell, it shouldn't be illegal. The State was arguing, essentially, "well no one would think they could fudge values THAT much."

We'll see. It may not be too far fetched to see Trump "devested" of Bedminster. What happens if the Scrotus says "too vague?" Does NY have to buy back Bedminster from whomever bought it from them after they took it from Trump? LOL

 

[para bellum]

Again, the SC will have nothing to do with this case. The State of NY decided there was fraud committed in this case, and he got fined. He can appeal but if he wants a stay, he'll have to pony up the cash.

It's very possible this case will make it to the SCOTUS. It has to go through the Appellate Dept and NY Court of Appeals first, but if Trump does not get relief he will of course appeal to the SCOTUS. That's probably 2 years out if it goes that way.

 

[Rambunctious]

Post the money and we will find out.

Try and take it James... that I would like to see... people showing up for work and James bolting the doors putting them all out of a job.... all while shootings are going on outside in the streets of NY.... she already gets booed everywhere she shows her fat face.... she is the one who will be out of a job soon....