Trump Has Sabotaged America’s Coronavirus Response

[jc456]

This thread is emblematic of TDS- LOL

SEVERE tds

From the Book of Trump:
Though shalt not criticize the Leader. Critics shall bear the mark of the Beast, TDS, and cast out into the wilderness (some commie country"

So sayeth the Cult of Trump.

So anything to say about Trumps gutting of important groups that deal with this or you gonna chalk it all up to TDS?

since everything triggers TDS, pretty much.

 

[M14 Shooter]

more people die from the flu.

Nope. flu--.5 of 1% death rate Coronavirus--2%

The fact he spoke of number of people dead and your responded with death rates aside....

According to the current sample size, with current treatments
Given the disparity between the two, your comparison is meaningless.

The death rate is actually closer to 10% of the cases resolved. 90% recovered and 10% have died.

Ah. OldLady lied.

 

[Crepitus]

You would think, with Trump being such a germaphobe, he would be on top of this

There is no reason to believe he is not on top of it.

You're kidding, right?

Has he demonstrated a propensity to be "on top," of anything?

I'll answer for you: NO.

The thing is, you have demonstrated over and over that you are suffering from a severe case of Trump Derangement Syndrome. Your opinion is not formed via logic and reason, it is formed by your mental illness.

Sooooo..... You're saying yes or no?

Or was that a lame attempt to blame me and dodge the question at the same time?

 

[berg80]

The mistake TDS (Trump Denial Syndrome) sufferers keep making is believing anything the Liar-in-Chief says. When he says we are in good shape to handle the virus you can be assured it is not true. As the evidence in this thread shows we are not in as good a position as we would be had Trump not weakened our response capabilities.

 

[jc456]

You would think, with Trump being such a germaphobe, he would be on top of this

There is no reason to believe he is not on top of it.

You're kidding, right?

Has he demonstrated a propensity to be "on top," of anything?

I'll answer for you: NO.

The thing is, you have demonstrated over and over that you are suffering from a severe case of Trump Derangement Syndrome. Your opinion is not formed via logic and reason, it is formed by your mental illness.

Sooooo..... You're saying yes or no?

Or was that a lame attempt to blame me and dodge the question at the same time?

I think he was saying you're mental. just reading the notes.

 

[M14 Shooter]

To mistake TDS (Trump Denial Syndrome) sufferers keep making is believing anything the Liar-in-Chief says. When he says we are in good shape to handle the virus you can be assured it is not true. As the evidence in this thread shows we are not in as good a position as we would be had Trump not weakened our response capabilities.

Good to see you've fully committed to your brand of hyper-partisan bigotry.

 

[Fueri]

well, with or without that 'response team' that we're now apparently forwarding as the advance story for how to pin this on Trump (I knew it would be something eventually), this is likely going global.

not because Trump did this or that. Not because it kills people. (mortality rate is ~3%, BTW), but because it does not immediately cause symptoms, sometimes it seems it doesn't cause symptoms at all, and this characteristic makes it very, very hard, if not impossible, to contain.

People don't know they're sick so they keep on going to work, to school, they hop on planes. Keep right on moving themselves and the virus all over the place and merrily infecting people along the way. This is clearly shown by some of the US cases of people that were tested on the cruise ship, who were asymptomatic but tested positive for infection.

Some people in the health community are indicating that this will ultimately infect 40-70% of the global population within one year. This is not something that is likely to be contained. Not by China. Not by the US. Not by anyone.

Doing some quick math the world population is at 7.8 billion. At a 40% infection rate and a 3% mortality rate we end up with 93,600,000 deaths from this shit.

Worse yet, epidemiologists are saying this won't be stamped out, but will emerge as an endemic illness, like the flu, for the same reasons cited above.

 

[Norman]

Coronavirus is loving open borders.

 

[berg80]

well, with or without that 'response team' that we're now apparently forwarding as the advance story for how to pin this on Trump

For the fifth time, the facts are the facts. He has compromised our ability to respond in a coordinated way by virtue of his shortsighted decisions. If that causes the virus to spread to a greater degree in the US are you saying he should not be blamed for the decisions he made?

 

[berg80]

Coronavirus is loving open borders.

Conflating the issue with immigration policy is a transparent attempt at deflection. Keep trying.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

more people die from the flu.

Nope. flu--.5 of 1% death rate Coronavirus--2%

The fact he spoke of number of people dead and your responded with death rates aside....

According to the current sample size, with current treatments
Given the disparity between the two, your comparison is meaningless.

The death rate is actually closer to 10% of the cases resolved. 90% recovered and 10% have died.

Ah. OldLady lied.

Not really. The numbers the media are reporting are all over the place. Thing is the media isn't breaking it down along recovery numbers. They are going off of total infected and ignoring the statistics of cases resolved be they discharged healthy or dead.
If you have ten people with the flu and no one has died or recovered you have a mortality rate of 0

 

[M14 Shooter]

For the fifth time, the facts are the facts. He has compromised our ability to respond in a coordinated way...

... and yet, we're doing just that.

 

[okfine]

You would think, with Trump being such a germaphobe, he would be on top of this

There is no reason to believe he is not on top of it.

Did you hear him in front of the mic before leaving India? What an orator. He was caught totally off guard. He doesn't have a clue.

 

[berg80]

For the fifth time, the facts are the facts. He has compromised our ability to respond in a coordinated way...

... and yet, we're doing just that.

The mistake TDS (Trump Denial Syndrome) sufferers keep making is believing anything the Liar-in-Chief says.

 

[OldLady]

There is no reason to believe he is not on top of it.

Right, except all the evidence I just showed you that the response team that would normally handle a crisis has been gutted.

The CDC and USAMIIRD are still there and they are the groups that would actually respond to the pandemic, the post you are talking about was basically a working group.

Trump administration wants to cut funding from public health preparedness programs
The cuts come as the US health care system braces for coronavirus
Trump administration wants to cut funding from public health preparedness programs

A working group? It was the team that would normally coordinated the government's response. They're gone.

"Democrats, for example, have expressed concerns about the administration’s ability to respond if there were a severe coronavirus outbreak in the United States, noting that a global health security expert position on the National Security Council has been left vacant for almost two years."

Why? Too busy tweeting insults, holding pep rallies, and playing golf.

The CDC handles the actual response. The CDC is still around, as is USAMRIID.

What do you want Trump to do right now? Shut the borders? Quarantine anyone coming in from overseas for 14-21 days?

YES. For as long as it takes.

 

[jc456]

For the fifth time, the facts are the facts. He has compromised our ability to respond in a coordinated way...

... and yet, we're doing just that.

The mistake TDS (Trump Denial Syndrome) sufferers keep making is believing anything the Liar-in-Chief says.

you have the TDS son. find your own acronym.

 

[jc456]

There is no reason to believe he is not on top of it.

Right, except all the evidence I just showed you that the response team that would normally handle a crisis has been gutted.

The CDC and USAMIIRD are still there and they are the groups that would actually respond to the pandemic, the post you are talking about was basically a working group.

Trump administration wants to cut funding from public health preparedness programs
The cuts come as the US health care system braces for coronavirus
Trump administration wants to cut funding from public health preparedness programs

A working group? It was the team that would normally coordinated the government's response. They're gone.

"Democrats, for example, have expressed concerns about the administration’s ability to respond if there were a severe coronavirus outbreak in the United States, noting that a global health security expert position on the National Security Council has been left vacant for almost two years."

Why? Too busy tweeting insults, holding pep rallies, and playing golf.

The CDC handles the actual response. The CDC is still around, as is USAMRIID.

What do you want Trump to do right now? Shut the borders? Quarantine anyone coming in from overseas for 14-21 days?

YES. For as long as it takes.

you have no idea of what you're talking about.

 

[Lakhota]

W.H. DOWNPLAYS CORONAVIRUS — AFTER CDC FIRES WARNING FLARE!

Will this be Trump's master clusterfuck?

 

[berg80]

Will this be Trump's master clusterfuck?

I have no idea. I do know he has made some bad, shortsighted decisions.

When Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, the director-general of the World Health Organization (WHO), declared the Wuhan coronavirus a public health emergency of international concern on Thursday, he praised China for taking “unprecedented” steps to control the deadly virus. “I have never seen for myself this kind of mobilization,” he noted. “China is actually setting a new standard for outbreak response.”


The epidemic control efforts unfolding today in China—including placing some 100 million citizens on lockdown, shutting down a national holiday, building enormous quarantine hospitals in days’ time, and ramping up 24-hour manufacturing of medical equipment—are indeed gargantuan. It’s impossible to watch them without wondering, “What would we do? How would my government respond if this virus spread across my country?”

For the United States, the answers are especially worrying because the government has intentionally rendered itself incapable. In 2018, the Trump administration fired the government’s entire pandemic response chain of command, including the White House management infrastructure. In numerous phone calls and emails with key agencies across the U.S. government, the only consistent response I encountered was distressed confusion. If the United States still has a clear chain of command for pandemic response, the White House urgently needs to clarify what it is, not just for the public but for the government itself, which largely finds itself in the dark.

When Ebola broke out in West Africa in 2014, President Barack Obama recognized that responding to the outbreak overseas, while also protecting Americans at home, involved multiple U.S. government departments and agencies, none of which were speaking to one another. Basically, the U.S. pandemic infrastructure was an enormous orchestra full of talented, egotistical players, each jockeying for solos and fame, refusing to rehearse, and demanding higher salaries—all without a conductor. To bring order and harmony to the chaos, rein in the agency egos, and create a coherent multiagency response overseas and on the homefront, Obama anointed a former vice presidential staffer, Ronald Klain, as a sort of “epidemic czar” inside the White House, clearly stipulated the roles and budgets of various agencies, and placed incident commanders in charge in each Ebola-hit country and inside the United States. The orchestra may have still had its off-key instruments, but it played the same tune.

Building on the Ebola experience, the Obama administration set up a permanent epidemic monitoring and command group inside the White House National Security Council (NSC) and another in the Department of Homeland Security (DHS)—both of which followed the scientific and public health leads of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the diplomatic advice of the State Department.
Trump Has Sabotaged America’s Coronavirus Response
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So, the obvious question is why? Why dismantle the government's response chain of command to a potentially devastating health risk to the nation? Because it was Obama's initiative that created it. Perhaps that is why when Capt. Incompetence is asked about our preparedness he gives the kind of ignorant, vacuous answer he gives to so many complex issues, "we've got it under control." Really?
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The headquarters of the nation’s intelligence apparatus roiled with the ouster of the acting director Joseph Maguire and his replacement by a sharp partisan amid a dispute over Russian election interference. The Justice Department remained on edge with whispers of further resignations, including perhaps even that of Attorney General William P. Barr, after the president’s intervention in a case involving one of his friends. Witnesses from the impeachment inquiry into Mr. Trump have been summarily dismissed. Dozens of policy experts have been cleared out of the National Security Council staff as part of a restructuring that will mean fewer career professionals in range of the president. A deputy national security adviser dogged by innuendo about disloyalty was exiled to the Energy Department. A Trump appointee’s nomination for a top Treasury Department post was pulled. The No. 3 official at the Defense Department was shown the door.

And Johnny McEntee, a 29-year-old loyalist just installed to take over the Office of Presidential Personnel and reporting directly to Mr. Trump, has ordered a freeze on all political appointments across the government. He also convened a meeting to instruct departments to search for people not devoted to the president so they can be removed, according to people briefed about the session, and informed colleagues that he planned to tell cabinet secretaries that the White House would be choosing their deputies from now on.

But career professionals are not the only ones in the cross hairs. Also facing scrutiny are Republican political appointees considered insufficiently committed to the president or suspected of not aggressively advancing his agenda.
Allies of the president say he should be free to make personnel changes, even if it amounts to shedding people who are not seen as loyal to Mr. Trump.
“It is not unusual at all that these types of assessments are done and thereafter changes are made,” said Bradley A. Blakeman, a Republican strategist and former White House official under President George W. Bush.
Nonetheless, the tumult and anxiety come at a time when the Trump administration confronts enormous challenges, including the coronavirus outbreak, Iranian and North Korean nuclear development and Russian determination to play a role again in America’s next election. Democrats, for example, have expressed concerns about the administration’s ability to respond if there were a severe coronavirus outbreak in the United States, noting that a global health security expert position on the National Security Council has been left vacant for almost two years.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/22/us/politics/trump-disloyalty-turnover.html

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

For the fifth time, the facts are the facts. He has compromised our ability to respond in a coordinated way...

... and yet, we're doing just that.

The mistake TDS (Trump Denial Syndrome) sufferers keep making is believing anything the Liar-in-Chief says.

I don't care what he says. I care about what he does.

Put your emotions back in your pocket and keep them in check.