Trump Has Sabotaged America’s Coronavirus Response

When Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, the director-general of the World Health Organization (WHO), declared the Wuhan coronavirus a public health emergency of international concern on Thursday, he praised China for taking “unprecedented” steps to control the deadly virus. “I have never seen for myself this kind of mobilization,” he noted. “China is actually setting a new standard for outbreak response.”


The epidemic control efforts unfolding today in China—including placing some 100 million citizens on lockdown, shutting down a national holiday, building enormous quarantine hospitals in days’ time, and ramping up 24-hour manufacturing of medical equipment—are indeed gargantuan. It’s impossible to watch them without wondering, “What would we do? How would my government respond if this virus spread across my country?”

For the United States, the answers are especially worrying because the government has intentionally rendered itself incapable. In 2018, the Trump administration fired the government’s entire pandemic response chain of command, including the White House management infrastructure. In numerous phone calls and emails with key agencies across the U.S. government, the only consistent response I encountered was distressed confusion. If the United States still has a clear chain of command for pandemic response, the White House urgently needs to clarify what it is, not just for the public but for the government itself, which largely finds itself in the dark.

When Ebola broke out in West Africa in 2014, President Barack Obama recognized that responding to the outbreak overseas, while also protecting Americans at home, involved multiple U.S. government departments and agencies, none of which were speaking to one another. Basically, the U.S. pandemic infrastructure was an enormous orchestra full of talented, egotistical players, each jockeying for solos and fame, refusing to rehearse, and demanding higher salaries—all without a conductor. To bring order and harmony to the chaos, rein in the agency egos, and create a coherent multiagency response overseas and on the homefront, Obama anointed a former vice presidential staffer, Ronald Klain, as a sort of “epidemic czar” inside the White House, clearly stipulated the roles and budgets of various agencies, and placed incident commanders in charge in each Ebola-hit country and inside the United States. The orchestra may have still had its off-key instruments, but it played the same tune.

Building on the Ebola experience, the Obama administration set up a permanent epidemic monitoring and command group inside the White House National Security Council (NSC) and another in the Department of Homeland Security (DHS)—both of which followed the scientific and public health leads of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the diplomatic advice of the State Department.
Trump Has Sabotaged America’s Coronavirus Response
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So, the obvious question is why? Why dismantle the government's response chain of command to a potentially devastating health risk to the nation? Because it was Obama's initiative that created it. Perhaps that is why when Capt. Incompetence is asked about our preparedness he gives the kind of ignorant, vacuous answer he gives to so many complex issues, "we've got it under control." Really?
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The headquarters of the nation’s intelligence apparatus roiled with the ouster of the acting director Joseph Maguire and his replacement by a sharp partisan amid a dispute over Russian election interference. The Justice Department remained on edge with whispers of further resignations, including perhaps even that of Attorney General William P. Barr, after the president’s intervention in a case involving one of his friends. Witnesses from the impeachment inquiry into Mr. Trump have been summarily dismissed. Dozens of policy experts have been cleared out of the National Security Council staff as part of a restructuring that will mean fewer career professionals in range of the president. A deputy national security adviser dogged by innuendo about disloyalty was exiled to the Energy Department. A Trump appointee’s nomination for a top Treasury Department post was pulled. The No. 3 official at the Defense Department was shown the door.

And Johnny McEntee, a 29-year-old loyalist just installed to take over the Office of Presidential Personnel and reporting directly to Mr. Trump, has ordered a freeze on all political appointments across the government. He also convened a meeting to instruct departments to search for people not devoted to the president so they can be removed, according to people briefed about the session, and informed colleagues that he planned to tell cabinet secretaries that the White House would be choosing their deputies from now on.

But career professionals are not the only ones in the cross hairs. Also facing scrutiny are Republican political appointees considered insufficiently committed to the president or suspected of not aggressively advancing his agenda.
Allies of the president say he should be free to make personnel changes, even if it amounts to shedding people who are not seen as loyal to Mr. Trump.
“It is not unusual at all that these types of assessments are done and thereafter changes are made,” said Bradley A. Blakeman, a Republican strategist and former White House official under President George W. Bush.
Nonetheless, the tumult and anxiety come at a time when the Trump administration confronts enormous challenges, including the coronavirus outbreak, Iranian and North Korean nuclear development and Russian determination to play a role again in America’s next election. Democrats, for example, have expressed concerns about the administration’s ability to respond if there were a severe coronavirus outbreak in the United States, noting that a global health security expert position on the National Security Council has been left vacant for almost two years.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/22/us/politics/trump-disloyalty-turnover.html
I thought republicans were supposedly the conspiracy theorists. My bad.
 
There is no reason to believe he is not on top of it.
Right, except all the evidence I just showed you that the response team that would normally handle a crisis has been gutted.

The CDC and USAMIIRD are still there and they are the groups that would actually respond to the pandemic, the post you are talking about was basically a working group.
Trump administration wants to cut funding from public health preparedness programs
The cuts come as the US health care system braces for coronavirus
Trump administration wants to cut funding from public health preparedness programs

A working group? It was the team that would normally coordinated the government's response. They're gone.

"Democrats, for example, have expressed concerns about the administration’s ability to respond if there were a severe coronavirus outbreak in the United States, noting that a global health security expert position on the National Security Council has been left vacant for almost two years."

Why? Too busy tweeting insults, holding pep rallies, and playing golf.

The CDC handles the actual response. The CDC is still around, as is USAMRIID.

What do you want Trump to do right now? Shut the borders? Quarantine anyone coming in from overseas for 14-21 days?
YES. For as long as it takes.

So now you want him to violate the Constitution?

Quarantining people who may have been exposed is one thing, but doing it to everyone has civil liberty implications.

So does shutting down travel.
 
Will this be Trump's master clusterfuck?
I have no idea. I do know he has made some bad, shortsighted decisions.

When Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, the director-general of the World Health Organization (WHO), declared the Wuhan coronavirus a public health emergency of international concern on Thursday, he praised China for taking “unprecedented” steps to control the deadly virus. “I have never seen for myself this kind of mobilization,” he noted. “China is actually setting a new standard for outbreak response.”


The epidemic control efforts unfolding today in China—including placing some 100 million citizens on lockdown, shutting down a national holiday, building enormous quarantine hospitals in days’ time, and ramping up 24-hour manufacturing of medical equipment—are indeed gargantuan. It’s impossible to watch them without wondering, “What would we do? How would my government respond if this virus spread across my country?”

For the United States, the answers are especially worrying because the government has intentionally rendered itself incapable. In 2018, the Trump administration fired the government’s entire pandemic response chain of command, including the White House management infrastructure. In numerous phone calls and emails with key agencies across the U.S. government, the only consistent response I encountered was distressed confusion. If the United States still has a clear chain of command for pandemic response, the White House urgently needs to clarify what it is, not just for the public but for the government itself, which largely finds itself in the dark.

When Ebola broke out in West Africa in 2014, President Barack Obama recognized that responding to the outbreak overseas, while also protecting Americans at home, involved multiple U.S. government departments and agencies, none of which were speaking to one another. Basically, the U.S. pandemic infrastructure was an enormous orchestra full of talented, egotistical players, each jockeying for solos and fame, refusing to rehearse, and demanding higher salaries—all without a conductor. To bring order and harmony to the chaos, rein in the agency egos, and create a coherent multiagency response overseas and on the homefront, Obama anointed a former vice presidential staffer, Ronald Klain, as a sort of “epidemic czar” inside the White House, clearly stipulated the roles and budgets of various agencies, and placed incident commanders in charge in each Ebola-hit country and inside the United States. The orchestra may have still had its off-key instruments, but it played the same tune.

Building on the Ebola experience, the Obama administration set up a permanent epidemic monitoring and command group inside the White House National Security Council (NSC) and another in the Department of Homeland Security (DHS)—both of which followed the scientific and public health leads of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the diplomatic advice of the State Department.
Trump Has Sabotaged America’s Coronavirus Response
..................................................................................................................................
So, the obvious question is why? Why dismantle the government's response chain of command to a potentially devastating health risk to the nation? Because it was Obama's initiative that created it. Perhaps that is why when Capt. Incompetence is asked about our preparedness he gives the kind of ignorant, vacuous answer he gives to so many complex issues, "we've got it under control." Really?
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The headquarters of the nation’s intelligence apparatus roiled with the ouster of the acting director Joseph Maguire and his replacement by a sharp partisan amid a dispute over Russian election interference. The Justice Department remained on edge with whispers of further resignations, including perhaps even that of Attorney General William P. Barr, after the president’s intervention in a case involving one of his friends. Witnesses from the impeachment inquiry into Mr. Trump have been summarily dismissed. Dozens of policy experts have been cleared out of the National Security Council staff as part of a restructuring that will mean fewer career professionals in range of the president. A deputy national security adviser dogged by innuendo about disloyalty was exiled to the Energy Department. A Trump appointee’s nomination for a top Treasury Department post was pulled. The No. 3 official at the Defense Department was shown the door.

And Johnny McEntee, a 29-year-old loyalist just installed to take over the Office of Presidential Personnel and reporting directly to Mr. Trump, has ordered a freeze on all political appointments across the government. He also convened a meeting to instruct departments to search for people not devoted to the president so they can be removed, according to people briefed about the session, and informed colleagues that he planned to tell cabinet secretaries that the White House would be choosing their deputies from now on.

But career professionals are not the only ones in the cross hairs. Also facing scrutiny are Republican political appointees considered insufficiently committed to the president or suspected of not aggressively advancing his agenda.
Allies of the president say he should be free to make personnel changes, even if it amounts to shedding people who are not seen as loyal to Mr. Trump.
“It is not unusual at all that these types of assessments are done and thereafter changes are made,” said Bradley A. Blakeman, a Republican strategist and former White House official under President George W. Bush.
Nonetheless, the tumult and anxiety come at a time when the Trump administration confronts enormous challenges, including the coronavirus outbreak, Iranian and North Korean nuclear development and Russian determination to play a role again in America’s next election. Democrats, for example, have expressed concerns about the administration’s ability to respond if there were a severe coronavirus outbreak in the United States, noting that a global health security expert position on the National Security Council has been left vacant for almost two years.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/22/us/politics/trump-disloyalty-turnover.html

So you are basically praising China because they have zero civil liberty protections for the citizens and can basically isolate or even imprison anyone they feel like detaining?

And if China is doing such a good job why is it leaving their borders?
 
Oh FFS. More "REEEE Trump" bullshit. I don't give a rats ass who he fired. Unless you're going to lock every single person on the planet in their own cell you cannot stop a viral pandemic. You might as well try and stop the sky from being blue for all the good it will do you.
 
well, with or without that 'response team' that we're now apparently forwarding as the advance story for how to pin this on Trump
For the fifth time, the facts are the facts. He has compromised our ability to respond in a coordinated way by virtue of his shortsighted decisions. If that causes the virus to spread to a greater degree in the US are you saying he should not be blamed for the decisions he made?


And for the second time, the facts are the facts. It looks increasingly likely there is no preventing the spread of this disease, not with the current structure and not with a pandemic team or virtually any other measure. Genie is out of the bottle on this one, it would appear.

I know you want to blame Trump by establishing/supposing that 'maybe it wouldn't be so bad' or some other nebulous supposition to pin something on the guy, while health experts are beginning to think there is little that can actually stop this due to reasons I thought I made pretty clear. They could be wrong I suppose, but their thinking seems fairly logical to me.

Look at it this way. Can Trump stop the spread of the flu? no, he can't, nor, apparently, could our former pandemic team, as they haven't for literally ever. This is also due to the reasons already stated. A large % of people with the flu show few symptoms, don't need doctors, maybe feel a little off, but go on with their lives and spread the shit everywhere they go. Nobody "stops" the flu or the common cold. This is exactly the same problem with this disease and this characteristic makes it very difficult to contain or stop.

I know it is difficult to see the facts when the noise is 'this must be stopped'. I had to stop and think about it for a bit myself, as all I've been hearing are 'we must stop this' 'we will stop this', so initially, I was like "wtf, that's crazy talk" but what these people are saying makes perfect sense.

we are, of course, being told they are working on it, and I'm sure they are. We are also being told that this will be contained and stopped, but that's starting to look like utter bullshit, even before it has become a problem here, but is merrily popping up all over the place despite the actions of the Chinese and other governments.

It is beginning to look like in the same way they can't stop the flu, they can't stop this- and for virtually the same reasons.
 
A spokesperson for HHS is giving a press conference right now spewing the party line on the admin's response to the virus. This will no doubt elicit the desired Pavlovian reaction from Trumpette's who will clap their hands like trained seals, grab their warm blankees, and once again be pacified by the comforting words of a Trumper telling them................

 
It doesn't look good. W.H.O. warning countries to prepare for coronavirus. Wall Street is shaken.

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Trump says coronavirus is “under control.” It’s not.
Amid criticism of his coronavirus strategy, Trump is defending his choices and maintaining that “we did the right thing.”

Trump says coronavirus is "under control." It’s not.

It is possible that as president of the United States, Trump has access to some Covid-19 information that isn’t publicly available — although he did say Tuesday he hasn’t “been seeing too much of [Covid-19] news” because his India trip has “been all-encompassing” — but the statistic he cited is at odds with data collected by researchers at Johns Hopkins, which finds there are 53 confirmed Covid-19 cases in the US.

Trump also claimed — without offering evidence — that Americans need not be overly concerned by Covid-19 because everyone will soon be protected from the novel virus.

“Now they have it, they have studied it, they know very much, in fact, we’re very close to a vaccine,” Trump said.

Americans should prepare for coronavirus spread in U.S., CDC says

CDC: Americans should prepare for coronavirus spread
 
And while Trump used Covid-19 as a cudgel to attack Democrats, a Senate hearing about Trump’s homeland security budget in Washington indicated that even Republicans are unimpressed with the administration’s response.

During that hearing, Sen. John Kennedy (R-LA) rebuked acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf after he provided evasive answers to questions about exactly how many cases government officials expect in the country, telling him, “You’re the secretary. I think you ought to know that answer.”
Trump says coronavirus is "under control." It’s not.
 
You would think, with Trump being such a germaphobe, he would be on top of this
There is no reason to believe he is not on top of it.
Did you hear him in front of the mic before leaving India? What an orator. He was caught totally off guard. He doesn't have a clue.
That's your TDS talking.

Trump is much more intelligent and knowledgeable than you.
When you're up Fat Donnies ass do you use a spoon?
 
Obama "handled" Ebola by refusing to quarantine infected people and encouraging them to fly commercial.
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It's only Ebola in a Dallas apartment. Obama's got it covered
 
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Trump says coronavirus is “under control.” It’s not.
Amid criticism of his coronavirus strategy, Trump is defending his choices and maintaining that “we did the right thing.”

Trump says coronavirus is "under control." It’s not.

It is possible that as president of the United States, Trump has access to some Covid-19 information that isn’t publicly available — although he did say Tuesday he hasn’t “been seeing too much of [Covid-19] news” because his India trip has “been all-encompassing” — but the statistic he cited is at odds with data collected by researchers at Johns Hopkins, which finds there are 53 confirmed Covid-19 cases in the US.

Trump also claimed — without offering evidence — that Americans need not be overly concerned by Covid-19 because everyone will soon be protected from the novel virus.

“Now they have it, they have studied it, they know very much, in fact, we’re very close to a vaccine,” Trump said.

Americans should prepare for coronavirus spread in U.S., CDC says

CDC: Americans should prepare for coronavirus spread
where's it out of control?
 
ewww like all of the other ones you thought you had him on?
I know this is going to boggle your mind, but you do know Mueller nailed the Divider-in-Chief on obstruction and the House managers nailed him on abuse AND obstruction, right? I mean........you don't think because of Billy the Bagman's ludicrous "exoneration" canard and Senate Repub's abdication of their duty to consider the evidence that Individual 1 is actually innocent, do you? Please tell me you aren't that brainwashed.
 
ewww like all of the other ones you thought you had him on?
I know this is going to boggle your mind, but you do know Mueller nailed the Divider-in-Chief on obstruction and the House managers nailed him on abuse AND obstruction, right? I mean........you don't think because of Billy the Bagman's ludicrous "exoneration" canard and Senate Repub's abdication of their duty to consider the evidence that Individual 1 is actually innocent, do you? Please tell me you aren't that brainwashed.

I know your TDS and general stupidity blind you to facts. One:Mule-er nailed Trump on NOTHING. No evidence and what he claimed as “obstruction” would be laughed out of court. House “managers” nailed themselves, not Trump. Guess you missed the exoneration and the sheer embarrassment Schitt for brains was. No need to cry, we already know you are brainwashed to swallow whatever your Dim masters tell you.
 

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