Trump is a socialist!!!

[Andylusion]

The orange minions will have no problem receiving handouts from taxpayers money. If that's not socialism what it is?

Trump gives US farmers new round of funds as trade war cushion

No, when Republicans do it it's different.

No, it's not. Many right-wing pundits have opposed subsidies, and still do. Unlike left-wingers, we don't change our position simply because the person in office has an (R) by their name.

 

[progressive hunter]

The orange minions will have no problem receiving handouts from taxpayers money. If that's not socialism what it is?

Trump gives US farmers new round of funds as trade war cushion

The government has been paying farmers NOT to grow crops off and on for decades.

"the federal government is involved in agriculture and the reason is America has a "Cheap Food Policy" which means they want food to be affordable to the general population and not subject to huge swings in the market that might cause unrest in the general population. They also need to make sure there is some profit to farming so farmers will keep farming and Americans will have plenty to eat. To do this we need to have a sufficient supply and reserves in case of a crop failure. No farmer will keep a reserve of crops stored for world or national emergencies or keep their own land idle so prices stay high enough that all farmers can make a living unless they are paid to do so. That is why we have programs like the CRP (Conservation Reserve Program) which pays farmers to keep 23.4 million acres idle but ready to go into production within 1 to 2 years if a world catastrophe occurs. This governmental involvement doesn't guarantee a profit for all farmers but does but it does keep a majority of farmers in business during hard times.

The federal government uses food to affect geopolitics so it has to have some safeguards for farmers if it instituted a policy that causes the price to go below production costs."

https://www.quora.com/Does-the-Unit...heir-land-at-all-or-to-throw-their-crops-away

now that is socialism,,,

How so? Selectively distributing tax revenue to bolster a segment of the Market for defense purposes doesn't even come close to socialism.

but controlling the food production does,,,and its always one of the first things a socialist regime does when it gets power,,,

 

[progressive hunter]

The orange minions will have no problem receiving handouts from taxpayers money. If that's not socialism what it is?

Trump gives US farmers new round of funds as trade war cushion

its tax money...you pay in,you can get something out....you dont pay in?....

I've paid in for 40 yrs and as of yet got nothing back,,,only more theft and loss of rights,,,

did something happen to you that you need to get something back and was denied?...

not that I'm aware of,,,

 

[BlindBoo]

The orange minions will have no problem receiving handouts from taxpayers money. If that's not socialism what it is?

Trump gives US farmers new round of funds as trade war cushion

The government has been paying farmers NOT to grow crops off and on for decades.

"the federal government is involved in agriculture and the reason is America has a "Cheap Food Policy" which means they want food to be affordable to the general population and not subject to huge swings in the market that might cause unrest in the general population. They also need to make sure there is some profit to farming so farmers will keep farming and Americans will have plenty to eat. To do this we need to have a sufficient supply and reserves in case of a crop failure. No farmer will keep a reserve of crops stored for world or national emergencies or keep their own land idle so prices stay high enough that all farmers can make a living unless they are paid to do so. That is why we have programs like the CRP (Conservation Reserve Program) which pays farmers to keep 23.4 million acres idle but ready to go into production within 1 to 2 years if a world catastrophe occurs. This governmental involvement doesn't guarantee a profit for all farmers but does but it does keep a majority of farmers in business during hard times.

The federal government uses food to affect geopolitics so it has to have some safeguards for farmers if it instituted a policy that causes the price to go below production costs."

https://www.quora.com/Does-the-Unit...heir-land-at-all-or-to-throw-their-crops-away

now that is socialism,,,

How so? Selectively distributing tax revenue to bolster a segment of the Market for defense purposes doesn't even come close to socialism.

but controlling the food production does,,,and its always one of the first things a socialist regime does when it gets power,,,

Good point. Good thing we are a Constitutional Republic. Wouldn't becoming a Socialist State require a change in the Constitution? Advocating for socialist policies is in not really advocating for a new socialist state.

 

[NotYourBody]

YOU deflected to paved roads.

So let's get back to farming and keep it there. Why can't farmers make it on their own? Why do they need a government handout? I thought the red states didn't need handouts from anyone.

i deflected?....you said....tax $$$ are only to be used for our protection....i asked how is paving a road nearby protecting us....if that is deflecting you had better learn what the word means....

So then let's get back to farmers. Why do they need a handout?

i just said if you pay into the system you should be able to get something back.......do farmers pay taxes?....should they get something to help them over a group of people who have never put a dime into the system?.....i think so....

No, you want them to get extra. They didn't pay extra. They don't get welfare because they can't run a profitable business.

This is basic GOP 101.

so you want non citizens to get something over the citizens who pay taxes....that is basic DNC 101...

No we are talking about American citizen farmers. Dotard. They need to sink or swim on their own. This country gave them every opportunity to succeed.

If they are too stupid to farm successfully, that's on them.

 

[Harry Dresden]

i deflected?....you said....tax $$$ are only to be used for our protection....i asked how is paving a road nearby protecting us....if that is deflecting you had better learn what the word means....

So then let's get back to farmers. Why do they need a handout?

i just said if you pay into the system you should be able to get something back.......do farmers pay taxes?....should they get something to help them over a group of people who have never put a dime into the system?.....i think so....

No, you want them to get extra. They didn't pay extra. They don't get welfare because they can't run a profitable business.

This is basic GOP 101.

so you want non citizens to get something over the citizens who pay taxes....that is basic DNC 101...

No we are talking about American citizen farmers. Dotard. They need to sink or swim on their own. This country gave them every opportunity to succeed.

If they are too stupid to farm successfully, that's on them.

there it is the name calling....surest sign one is losing an argument....so you want non citizens to get benefits over tax payers...like i stated....

 

[NotYourBody]

So then let's get back to farmers. Why do they need a handout?

i just said if you pay into the system you should be able to get something back.......do farmers pay taxes?....should they get something to help them over a group of people who have never put a dime into the system?.....i think so....

No, you want them to get extra. They didn't pay extra. They don't get welfare because they can't run a profitable business.

This is basic GOP 101.

so you want non citizens to get something over the citizens who pay taxes....that is basic DNC 101...

No we are talking about American citizen farmers. Dotard. They need to sink or swim on their own. This country gave them every opportunity to succeed.

If they are too stupid to farm successfully, that's on them.

there it is the name calling....surest sign one is losing an argument....so you want non citizens to get benefits over tax payers...like i stated....

Deflection. Transparent.

No welfare for farmers who can't figure out how to farm.

 

[BluesLegend]

The orange minions will have no problem receiving handouts from taxpayers money. If that's not socialism what it is?

Trump gives US farmers new round of funds as trade war cushion

Says some stupid shit liberal who would starve to death without farmers. You people would be eating each other inside a month.

 

[Harry Dresden]

i just said if you pay into the system you should be able to get something back.......do farmers pay taxes?....should they get something to help them over a group of people who have never put a dime into the system?.....i think so....

No, you want them to get extra. They didn't pay extra. They don't get welfare because they can't run a profitable business.

This is basic GOP 101.

so you want non citizens to get something over the citizens who pay taxes....that is basic DNC 101...

No we are talking about American citizen farmers. Dotard. They need to sink or swim on their own. This country gave them every opportunity to succeed.

If they are too stupid to farm successfully, that's on them.

there it is the name calling....surest sign one is losing an argument....so you want non citizens to get benefits over tax payers...like i stated....

Deflection. Transparent.

No welfare for farmers who can't figure out how to farm.

you need to learn what a deflection is.....and you just wont admit what i said....why?....

 

[NotYourBody]

No, you want them to get extra. They didn't pay extra. They don't get welfare because they can't run a profitable business.

This is basic GOP 101.

so you want non citizens to get something over the citizens who pay taxes....that is basic DNC 101...

No we are talking about American citizen farmers. Dotard. They need to sink or swim on their own. This country gave them every opportunity to succeed.

If they are too stupid to farm successfully, that's on them.

there it is the name calling....surest sign one is losing an argument....so you want non citizens to get benefits over tax payers...like i stated....

Deflection. Transparent.

No welfare for farmers who can't figure out how to farm.

you need to learn what a deflection is.....and you just wont admit what i said....why?....

You are trying to deflect the conversation away from farmer welfare to something that is not farmer welfare.

Why can't you admit that farmers need to take care of their own shit. They are provided every opportunity to succeed in this country. They don't deserve welfare because they can't run their business successfully. They are not special. Why can't you admit that? Why?

 

[Leo123]

You are trying to deflect the conversation away from farmer welfare to something that is not farmer welfare.

Why can't you admit that farmers need to take care of their own shit. They are provided every opportunity to succeed in this country. They don't deserve welfare because they can't run their business successfully. They are not special. Why can't you admit that? Why?

it's not 'farmer welfare' (no such phrase, you just made it up) it's the Conservation Reserve Program. (see my post #91) basically a government subsidy.

Why do you refuse to understand? Do you know that the U.S. gives subsidies to the U.S. shipping companies? Would you call that 'welfare' as well? OR do you think that ANY government largesse that is spent on anything is 'welfare?' Come on now.

 

[Maxdeath]

So yso you are advoctating for the removal of welfare, snap, ACA, disaster relief, Medicade and all the other programs so close to Dems hearts? Or is this just you don't like farmers and eating because Trump likes farmers?

you cant even spin the shit out of Trump fucking the country and come close to the bottom line -

thanks for playing

You really have to love the crazy people. Not a single point just a hoped for deflection..

snap, ACA, disaster relief, Medicade and all the other programs - not even in the same universe with Chinese tariff's ...

yAWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

Lol you really are low IQ. They are all things which are giveaways just as the farm subsidies are. There is a major difference in the fact that farms don't make it people don't eat.

In your little world you somehow think that anything you don't like is somehow not the same.

Yes we do. We can grow food in our own backyards. In modern times, folks in inner cities share community gardens.

Also, not sure if you are aware, other countries have people who know how to farm. Russian's are really good at growing wheat.
They are the top wheat exporter in the world.

You are either drunk, high on drugs or uneducated so I will try and do this as nicely and walk you through this as slowly as I can.
China actually produces more wheat then Russia. Both China and Russia subsidize farms just like the U.S. The difference is they also have subsidies to help pay for machinery, seed and in some cases fertilizer.

If you really think that you can grow enough food for more then a few months in your backyard or a community garden you have really missed the bus. What is everyone going to do during the winter? Starve or pay double what they currently pay to eat? What is McDonalds going to serve, a lettuce sandwich without the bread? Are you planning to take up your
little patch of garden to grow cotton or are you going to let your sheep eat your crops so you can have clothes?

We have so many industries dependent on farming. Farm machinery manufacturers. People who sell seed, fertilizer, trucks, etc. a large amount of the trucking and trains that move farm produce. Bakeries that require farm goods. And all the others. So you really are talking about creating a country that would starve and could not support itself.

 

[NotYourBody]

You are trying to deflect the conversation away from farmer welfare to something that is not farmer welfare.

Why can't you admit that farmers need to take care of their own shit. They are provided every opportunity to succeed in this country. They don't deserve welfare because they can't run their business successfully. They are not special. Why can't you admit that? Why?

it's not 'farmer welfare' (no such phrase, you just made it up) it's the Conservation Reserve Program. (see my post #91) basically a government subsidy.

Why do you refuse to understand? Do you know that the U.S. gives subsidies to the U.S. shipping companies? Would you call that 'welfare' as well? OR do you think that ANY government largesse that is spent on anything is 'welfare?' Come on now.

I don't care what words you call it. They already get 20 billion every year. Now they want more. In two months they'll want even more. That is welfare. Sink or Swim. They've had the same opportunities as everyone else born in this country. By God. 'Murica. MAGA.

Trump will not win this trade war.

China has been a civilization for over 3,000 years. They know how to play the long game. Their rules are not the same as ours.
They endured Chairman Mao and his Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution around 60 years ago and now they are a technologically superior superpower.

Meanwhile Trump doesn't understand how our government functions and we think public transportation is The Devil.

You need to be on your own, farmers.You voted for the jackass.

 

[NotYourBody]

you cant even spin the shit out of Trump fucking the country and come close to the bottom line -

thanks for playing

You really have to love the crazy people. Not a single point just a hoped for deflection..

snap, ACA, disaster relief, Medicade and all the other programs - not even in the same universe with Chinese tariff's ...

yAWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

Lol you really are low IQ. They are all things which are giveaways just as the farm subsidies are. There is a major difference in the fact that farms don't make it people don't eat.

In your little world you somehow think that anything you don't like is somehow not the same.

Yes we do. We can grow food in our own backyards. In modern times, folks in inner cities share community gardens.

Also, not sure if you are aware, other countries have people who know how to farm. Russian's are really good at growing wheat.
They are the top wheat exporter in the world.

You are either drunk, high on drugs or uneducated so I will try and do this as nicely and walk you through this as slowly as I can.
China actually produces more wheat then Russia. Both China and Russia subsidize farms just like the U.S. The difference is they also have subsidies to help pay for machinery, seed and in some cases fertilizer.

If you really think that you can grow enough food for more then a few months in your backyard or a community garden you have really missed the bus. What is everyone going to do during the winter? Starve or pay double what they currently pay to eat? What is McDonalds going to serve, a lettuce sandwich without the bread? Are you planning to take up your
little patch of garden to grow cotton or are you going to let your sheep eat your crops so you can have clothes?

We have so many industries dependent on farming. Farm machinery manufacturers. People who sell seed, fertilizer, trucks, etc. a large amount of the trucking and trains that move farm produce. Bakeries that require farm goods. And all the others. So you really are talking about creating a country that would starve and could not support itself.

Then the government should take over food production. Remove the profit. Nobody will starve. Farmers will be paid for their work.
I'll go for that kind of welfare. Not lazy/bad businessman farmer welfare.

 

[NotYourBody]

you cant even spin the shit out of Trump fucking the country and come close to the bottom line -

thanks for playing

You really have to love the crazy people. Not a single point just a hoped for deflection..

snap, ACA, disaster relief, Medicade and all the other programs - not even in the same universe with Chinese tariff's ...

yAWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

Lol you really are low IQ. They are all things which are giveaways just as the farm subsidies are. There is a major difference in the fact that farms don't make it people don't eat.

In your little world you somehow think that anything you don't like is somehow not the same.

Yes we do. We can grow food in our own backyards. In modern times, folks in inner cities share community gardens.

Also, not sure if you are aware, other countries have people who know how to farm. Russian's are really good at growing wheat.
They are the top wheat exporter in the world.

You are either drunk, high on drugs or uneducated so I will try and do this as nicely and walk you through this as slowly as I can.
China actually produces more wheat then Russia. Both China and Russia subsidize farms just like the U.S. The difference is they also have subsidies to help pay for machinery, seed and in some cases fertilizer.

If you really think that you can grow enough food for more then a few months in your backyard or a community garden you have really missed the bus. What is everyone going to do during the winter? Starve or pay double what they currently pay to eat? What is McDonalds going to serve, a lettuce sandwich without the bread? Are you planning to take up your
little patch of garden to grow cotton or are you going to let your sheep eat your crops so you can have clothes?

We have so many industries dependent on farming. Farm machinery manufacturers. People who sell seed, fertilizer, trucks, etc. a large amount of the trucking and trains that move farm produce. Bakeries that require farm goods. And all the others. So you really are talking about creating a country that would starve and could not support itself.

No. I don't need to grow it in my backyard. I can buy it from China and get in here in three days. And I don't have to pay farmer welfare.

I live in Southern California. I don't have winter. People with winter will have to figure it out for themselves. I am not responsible for winter. Sink or swim.

 

[NotYourBody]

You are trying to deflect the conversation away from farmer welfare to something that is not farmer welfare.

Why can't you admit that farmers need to take care of their own shit. They are provided every opportunity to succeed in this country. They don't deserve welfare because they can't run their business successfully. They are not special. Why can't you admit that? Why?

it's not 'farmer welfare' (no such phrase, you just made it up) it's the Conservation Reserve Program. (see my post #91) basically a government subsidy.

Why do you refuse to understand? Do you know that the U.S. gives subsidies to the U.S. shipping companies? Would you call that 'welfare' as well? OR do you think that ANY government largesse that is spent on anything is 'welfare?' Come on now.

I oppose selective welfare.

I'm supposed to be crying for these poor farmers while Flint still doesn't have clean water and neither does Appalachia coal country? And the coal miners can't be protected from silica dust? And legal asylum seeking immigrants can't have a bar of soap?

I bet these same farmers told all those folks to fuck off and take care of themselves.

 

[Maxdeath]

You really have to love the crazy people. Not a single point just a hoped for deflection..

snap, ACA, disaster relief, Medicade and all the other programs - not even in the same universe with Chinese tariff's ...

yAWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

Lol you really are low IQ. They are all things which are giveaways just as the farm subsidies are. There is a major difference in the fact that farms don't make it people don't eat.

In your little world you somehow think that anything you don't like is somehow not the same.

Yes we do. We can grow food in our own backyards. In modern times, folks in inner cities share community gardens.

Also, not sure if you are aware, other countries have people who know how to farm. Russian's are really good at growing wheat.
They are the top wheat exporter in the world.

You are either drunk, high on drugs or uneducated so I will try and do this as nicely and walk you through this as slowly as I can.
China actually produces more wheat then Russia. Both China and Russia subsidize farms just like the U.S. The difference is they also have subsidies to help pay for machinery, seed and in some cases fertilizer.

If you really think that you can grow enough food for more then a few months in your backyard or a community garden you have really missed the bus. What is everyone going to do during the winter? Starve or pay double what they currently pay to eat? What is McDonalds going to serve, a lettuce sandwich without the bread? Are you planning to take up your
little patch of garden to grow cotton or are you going to let your sheep eat your crops so you can have clothes?

We have so many industries dependent on farming. Farm machinery manufacturers. People who sell seed, fertilizer, trucks, etc. a large amount of the trucking and trains that move farm produce. Bakeries that require farm goods. And all the others. So you really are talking about creating a country that would starve and could not support itself.

No. I don't need to grow it in my backyard. I can buy it from China and get in here in three days. And I don't have to pay farmer welfare.

Sure you can. At twice the cost but not in three days. Unless you think airplanes cost less then shipping by sea. Then you have shipping by land on both ends.

Face it kid you really have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[Harry Dresden]

so you want non citizens to get something over the citizens who pay taxes....that is basic DNC 101...

No we are talking about American citizen farmers. Dotard. They need to sink or swim on their own. This country gave them every opportunity to succeed.

If they are too stupid to farm successfully, that's on them.

there it is the name calling....surest sign one is losing an argument....so you want non citizens to get benefits over tax payers...like i stated....

Deflection. Transparent.

No welfare for farmers who can't figure out how to farm.

you need to learn what a deflection is.....and you just wont admit what i said....why?....

You are trying to deflect the conversation away from farmer welfare to something that is not farmer welfare.

Why can't you admit that farmers need to take care of their own shit. They are provided every opportunity to succeed in this country. They don't deserve welfare because they can't run their business successfully. They are not special. Why can't you admit that? Why?

you dont know what deflect means...i have been saying the same thing this whole conversation....farmers who are tax payers should get help over non citizens... .im wondering why you think non citizens should get help over tax payers....something you refuse to answer which tells me you think illegals should get help over them with tax dollars...

 

[Leo123]

You are trying to deflect the conversation away from farmer welfare to something that is not farmer welfare.

Why can't you admit that farmers need to take care of their own shit. They are provided every opportunity to succeed in this country. They don't deserve welfare because they can't run their business successfully. They are not special. Why can't you admit that? Why?

it's not 'farmer welfare' (no such phrase, you just made it up) it's the Conservation Reserve Program. (see my post #91) basically a government subsidy.

Why do you refuse to understand? Do you know that the U.S. gives subsidies to the U.S. shipping companies? Would you call that 'welfare' as well? OR do you think that ANY government largesse that is spent on anything is 'welfare?' Come on now.

I don't care what words you call it. They already get 20 billion every year. Now they want more. In two months they'll want even more. That is welfare. Sink or Swim. They've had the same opportunities as everyone else born in this country. By God. 'Murica. MAGA.

Trump will not win this trade war.

China has been a civilization for over 3,000 years. They know how to play the long game. Their rules are not the same as ours.
They endured Chairman Mao and his Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution around 60 years ago and now they are a technologically superior superpower.

Meanwhile Trump doesn't understand how our government functions and we think public transportation is The Devil.

You need to be on your own, farmers.You voted for the jackass.

You did not address anything about CRP which is what I posted, you just repeat the same stuff. It's obvious you don't care about real words because you just make up meanings all by yourself then go on a baseless "hate Trump" rant.

China has been screwing US for decades in unfair tariffs meanwhile you go on to lionize China. Sorry but, you seem a bit fragmented. Probably the result of your obvious TDS sickness.

 

[Leo123]

Sure you can. At twice the cost but not in three days. Unless you think airplanes cost less then shipping by sea. Then you have shipping by land on both ends.

Face it kid you really have no idea what you are talking about.

Yes, I recently ordered a product directly from China.....It took a MONTH to get it. Some people here are living in La La land.