Trump is Finished

[bripat9643]

Trump will not get the nomination without the support of the mainstream. That will not happen.

The 70% of the party, the mainstream, will not support Trump and will boot the far right cons out on their asses. Good riddance.

70% of the Party will not win the election though. If the Repubs want to play that game, they can. Most of them are career politicians, many Congress men and women who can retire on a hefty retirement anyway and probably really don't care who actually wins the election anyway. They are not going to do anything to aid the country regardless as to who wins.

We will recast the party so that the far right will slink off. We will replace you with the younger genxrs and millennials, strong in femine and minority concerns and issues. Your day is over.

Such are the dreams of the everyday Liberal.

Your delusions play themselves out in nonsense, for I am not a liberal and you are not a patriot.

You're a frikken communist, Fakey. You sure as hell are not a conservative.

 

[The Rabbi]

="Statistikhengst, post: 12451150, member: 46168"]

="The Rabbi, post: 12448239, member: 20947"
I rea;ize you are a simpleton. But politics is an art and a skill. Some people are good at it. SOme arent. Some people get better,
But look at the history of non-politicians running for major office and they usually fail. There are some exceptions, like Eisenhower. But circumstances can explain those.

Keep smoking that crack pipe, little fake rabid rabbit rabbi.

Greece Defaults on IMF Loan Despite New Push for Bailout Aid
Suck it.

 

[1treedancer]

The great Daniel Heninger explains why Trump is past his sell by date.

Trump: Odd Man Out
The oddest moment in the second GOP debate was when the first thing Donald Trump did was to launch an assault on Sen. Rand Paul, who was standing about three miles away at the end of the podiums: “Well, first of all, Rand Paul shouldn’t even be on this stage. He’s number 11, he’s got 1% in the polls, and how he got up here, there’s far too many people anyway.” Ummm, what was that all about?

Since that Sept. 16 debate, as measured by the RealClearPolitics polling average, Mr. Trump has lost about a quarter of his support, down to 23% from 30% on the eve of the debate. In this week’s Wall Street Journal/NBC poll, he is at 21%.

It’s not going to get better. The Trump numbers are going to drift sideways, or fall.

A few weeks ago, Mr. Trump tweeted that getting his business out of Atlantic City before the casinos collapsed was “great timing.” The moment has come for the timing master to recognize it’s Atlantic City all over again. For his phenomenal presidential campaign, it’s time to go.

In politics, there’s that famous thing known as Big Mo—momentum. Donald Trump had Big Mo like no one’s ever seen. It’s gone. The odds are he’ll soon be in second or third place, behind someone he insulted as a loser, as the heartless, mocking media will note. He’s not going to enjoy not being on top.

Politics is about winning at the margin. It is about securing a base of voter support and then finding ways to attract additional voters at the margin. In the highly partisan presidential elections since 2000, the Republican and Democratic nominees both have had a base vote rotating in the mid-40s. Then the candidates have to add marginal votes toward the 50% threshold. (In 2000, with third-party candidate Ralph Nader getting 3%, George W. Bush and Al Gore both finished with about 48%, hanging chads and a generation of political bitterness.)

The Trump candidacy is pure base, and Mr. Trump has not built out from that base, which topped out at about 30%. It’s become obvious that this third of angry conservative voters is volatile. Mr. Trump’s famous support base has eroded, dispersing to the other outsider candidates, Ben Carson and Carly Fiorina.

More important, it is now clear that Mr. Trump is personally incapable of doing what is necessary to expand beyond his early burst of support. The tax plan he released this week, admirable as a broad outline, is supposed to show he’s getting serious. That’s the problem. His core base didn’t want that kind of serious.

Even at the level of performance art, what’s happening now is the slow-motion disintegration of “Trump.” His candidacy is detouring into weird and confusing fights, such as the “boycott” of Fox News. News reports on the Trump candidacy increasingly note remarks from admirers who essentially say: I really like that he tells it like it is, but I’m not sure he’s a good fit for the presidency.

The pace of volatility in contemporary politics is unprecedented, as a 74-year-old Vermont socialist is revealing to the preordained candidacy of Hillary Clinton. That the improbable Mr. Trump could rise and then flatline in so little time is startling but not surprising. What Mr. Trump ought to recognize is that his place in the 2015 moment—his political legacy—is secure, unless he lets it evaporate.

Donald Trump was the first person to tap into the zeitgeist of disgust coursing through politics everywhere. The fed-up voters of Guatemala have just made a TV comedian with no political experience the top finisher in their first-round presidential vote. In Spain, a referendum last Sunday revealed many in Catalonia would jump off the political cliff to separate from Madrid, their version of despised Washington.

In the 1996 presidential campaign, the Republican nominee, Sen. Bob Dole, coined a political phrase for the ages: “Where’s the outrage?” That’s the question a lot of Republican voters were asking themselves about their declared presidential candidates earlier this year: Where’s the outrage? With Donald Trump’s June 16 presidential announcement, they finally got it.

Mr. Trump’s singular personality is simply at odds with the political skills necessary to carry that mood any further than his mere arrival accomplished. His support is moving to candidates who are variations on the Trump theme. What people saw and heard in Carly Fiorina was your basic straight-razor woman. Her rage looks to be about one degree below boiling. Ben Carson radiates an intelligent everyman’s bemusement at a gridlocked system.
-more at the source.

Everyone has been claiming and predicting Trump's demise ever since he announced. Guess what? He continues to LEAD.

I thought he was toast after he bad mouthed McCain's military record.whodda thunk.

 

[amrchaos]

[QUOTE="The Rabbi, post: 12448239, member: 20947"
I rea;ize you are a simpleton. But politics is an art and a skill. Some people are good at it. SOme arent. Some people get better,
But look at the history of non-politicians running for major office and they usually fail. There are some exceptions, like Eisenhower. But circumstances can explain those.

Keep smoking that crack pipe, little fake rabid rabbit rabbi.

How about b actor turned politician Reagan?

Yeah, turned out to be the best president of the 20th century. Go figure.[/QUOTE]

Also he was a highly skilled politician--turning Democrat voters away from the party, cowering world leaders to the conference room whenever he wanted them, quick (and later popular)resolve with bad global actors such as Crazy duck Quadafi.

Wait--he said Reagan was not a skilled politician??!!??

 

[Statistikhengst]

="Statistikhengst, post: 12451150, member: 46168"]

="The Rabbi, post: 12448239, member: 20947"]
I rea;ize you are a simpleton. But politics is an art and a skill. Some people are good at it. SOme arent. Some people get better,
But look at the history of non-politicians running for major office and they usually fail. There are some exceptions, like Eisenhower. But circumstances can explain those.

Keep smoking that crack pipe, little fake rabid rabbit rabbi.

Greece Defaults on IMF Loan Despite New Push for Bailout Aid
Suck it.

You do realize that Greece ended up making the payments, right?

Poor, poor, poor little simpleton Rabbi. He makes one bad prediction and still thinks he is right.
Is the mad hatter coming to your tea party too?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Politics is about winning at the margin."

Correct.

And weak democrats along with democratic-leaning moderates and independents aren't going to vote for the likes of Trump or Carson.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I called this 2 or 3 weeks ago.....

He was sweating like Nixon in his last talk @ New Hampshire.....

Many 'called' this when Trump announced his 'candidacy.'

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Oh wait another op ed on how Donald Trump is going to fade away...interesting. This one must be true.

>>>>>>>>Trump will end up the Republican nominee<<<<<<<< (you can take that to the bank)

Fiorina is a war monger and pretty clueless, Carson, while a great guy, is VP material if anything..the rest of the idiots are well...idiots.

An op ed relating facts, fundamental principles of American presidential politics – and the most fundamental of those principles is that whomever the republican nominee might be, he or she will need a good number of votes from democrats, independents, and moderates to be elected president.

As for Carson, he's less qualified to be VP than Palin.

 

[Bonzi]

I called this 2 or 3 weeks ago.....

He was sweating like Nixon in his last talk @ New Hampshire.....

Many 'called' this when Trump announced his 'candidacy.'

The difference being, people never expected him to be #1 in the polls.
Trust me - I don't claim to be a prophet of politics!

 

[sealybobo]

[QUOTE="The Rabbi, post: 12448239, member: 20947"
I rea;ize you are a simpleton. But politics is an art and a skill. Some people are good at it. SOme arent. Some people get better,
But look at the history of non-politicians running for major office and they usually fail. There are some exceptions, like Eisenhower. But circumstances can explain those.

Keep smoking that crack pipe, little fake rabid rabbit rabbi.

How about b actor turned politician Reagan?

Yeah, turned out to be the best president of the 20th century. Go figure.[/QUOTE]
No he wasn't but Gw was the worst

 

[sealybobo]

"Politics is about winning at the margin."

Correct.

And weak democrats along with democratic-leaning moderates and independents aren't going to vote for the likes of Trump or Carson.

I am and everyone here knows I'm a life long democrat. Trump and Sanders are our only hope.

 

[The Rabbi]

[QUOTE="The Rabbi, post: 12448239, member: 20947"
I rea;ize you are a simpleton. But politics is an art and a skill. Some people are good at it. SOme arent. Some people get better,
But look at the history of non-politicians running for major office and they usually fail. There are some exceptions, like Eisenhower. But circumstances can explain those.

Keep smoking that crack pipe, little fake rabid rabbit rabbi.

How about b actor turned politician Reagan?

Yeah, turned out to be the best president of the 20th century. Go figure.

No he wasn't but Gw was the worst[/QUOTE]
He was certainly.
But Reagan was not "an actor". Reagan had been a very successful two term governor of California and been in politics for 20 years.

 

[The Rabbi]

"Politics is about winning at the margin."

Correct.

And weak democrats along with democratic-leaning moderates and independents aren't going to vote for the likes of Trump or Carson.

I am and everyone here knows I'm a life long democrat. Trump and Sanders are our only hope.

Because Obama's policies worked so well we need to double down on them with Sanders.

 

[dcraelin]

The great Daniel Heninger explains why Trump is past his sell by date.

Trump: Odd Man Out
The oddest moment in the second GOP debate was when the first thing Donald Trump did was to launch an assault on Sen. Rand Paul, who was standing about three miles away at the end of the podiums: “Well, first of all, Rand Paul shouldn’t even be on this stage. He’s number 11, he’s got 1% in the polls, and how he got up here, there’s far too many people anyway.” Ummm, what was that all about?

Since that Sept. 16 debate, as measured by the RealClearPolitics polling average, Mr. Trump has lost about a quarter of his support, down to 23% from 30% on the eve of the debate. In this week’s Wall Street Journal/NBC poll, he is at 21%.

It’s not going to get better. The Trump numbers are going to drift sideways, or fall.

XXXXX -- Moderation Edit --- Clipped for Copyright.

Politics is about winning at the margin. It is about securing a base of voter support and then finding ways to attract additional voters at the margin. In the highly partisan presidential elections since 2000, the Republican and Democratic nominees both have had a base vote rotating in the mid-40s. Then the candidates have to add marginal votes toward the 50% threshold. (In 2000, with third-party candidate Ralph Nader getting 3%, George W. Bush and Al Gore both finished with about 48%, hanging chads and a generation of political bitterness.)

The Trump candidacy is pure base, and Mr. Trump has not built out from that base, which topped out at about 30%. It’s become obvious that this third of angry conservative voters is volatile. Mr. Trump’s famous support base has eroded, dispersing to the other outsider candidates, Ben Carson and Carly Fiorina.

More important, it is now clear that Mr. Trump is personally incapable of doing what is necessary to expand beyond his early burst of support. The tax plan he released this week, admirable as a broad outline, is supposed to show he’s getting serious. That’s the problem. His core base didn’t want that kind of serious.

XXXXX -- Moderation Edit --- Clipped for Copyright.

Mr. Trump’s singular personality is simply at odds with the political skills necessary to carry that mood any further than his mere arrival accomplished. His support is moving to candidates who are variations on the Trump theme. What people saw and heard in Carly Fiorina was your basic straight-razor woman. Her rage looks to be about one degree below boiling. Ben Carson radiates an intelligent everyman’s bemusement at a gridlocked system.
-more at the source.

Trump is a long way from finished

Trump should quit denigrating the other candidates and start secretly funneling money to the low polling ones...Trump could ride a 21% showing right into the nomination as long as a number of others stay in, as I think that still beats all others by 8% or so.

 

[007]

And weak democrats along with democratic-leaning moderates and independents aren't going to vote for the likes of Trump or Carson.

Really? Then why are two of my oldest DEMOCRAT friends both saying they plan on voting for Trump? The kenyan has all but KILLED their support for another PROG in the white house.

So how many times is this some jackass has predicted Trump is finished? 7, 8, 20?

At this point, the ones that are going to be finished are the idiots predicting Trump is. The people that are supporting him are not going to change their minds. His support is concrete and going nowhere, and as it stands, he not only has the backing to get the republican nomination, but he'll be the next president.

 

[sealybobo]

"Politics is about winning at the margin."

Correct.

And weak democrats along with democratic-leaning moderates and independents aren't going to vote for the likes of Trump or Carson.

I am and everyone here knows I'm a life long democrat. Trump and Sanders are our only hope.

Because Obama's policies worked so well we need to double down on them with Sanders.

Get rid of the GOP majority and our problems are gone. The rich will pay their fair share and the middle class will be restored.

 

[bripat9643]

"Politics is about winning at the margin."

Correct.

And weak democrats along with democratic-leaning moderates and independents aren't going to vote for the likes of Trump or Carson.

I am and everyone here knows I'm a life long democrat. Trump and Sanders are our only hope.

Because Obama's policies worked so well we need to double down on them with Sanders.

Get rid of the GOP majority and our problems are gone. The rich will pay their fair share and the middle class will be restored.

If you look up the word "gullible" in the dictionary you'll see your picture there.

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[The Rabbi]

"Politics is about winning at the margin."

Correct.

And weak democrats along with democratic-leaning moderates and independents aren't going to vote for the likes of Trump or Carson.

I am and everyone here knows I'm a life long democrat. Trump and Sanders are our only hope.

Because Obama's policies worked so well we need to double down on them with Sanders.

Get rid of the GOP majority and our problems are gone. The rich will pay their fair share and the middle class will be restored.

We got rid of the GOP majority in 2006 and kept them gone until 2014. How'd that work out for everyone?

 

[The Rabbi]

"Politics is about winning at the margin."

Correct.

And weak democrats along with democratic-leaning moderates and independents aren't going to vote for the likes of Trump or Carson.

I am and everyone here knows I'm a life long democrat. Trump and Sanders are our only hope.

Because Obama's policies worked so well we need to double down on them with Sanders.

Get rid of the GOP majority and our problems are gone. The rich will pay their fair share and the middle class will be restored.

If you look up the word "gullible" in the dictionary you'll see your picture there.

Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk

Nuh-uh.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Trump never really got "started" to begin with.