Trump might want to actually read the Declaration of Independence

[Avatar4321]

I agree. Trump should read it. Study it even.

Every American should.

Btw Christians know our Creators name. His name is Jesus Christ.

And ill wish you a merry Christmas regardless of what faith you have because it's Christmas time.

 

[rightwinger]

Don? Read?

Our President doesn't read

He has others summarize it for him, hopefully with pictures

 

[peach174]

Don? Read?

Our President doesn't read

He has others summarize it for him, hopefully with pictures

If you actually believe that, what does it say about our colleges?

 

[WillowTree]

The Christian right so clapped as he voiced his comments on it. No where does it say Christian. Also it invoked our creator (unknown name) as we all are born equal and have equal rights.

The Christian right are heretical. They love Roy Moore, who shows a pistol as he prances the stage, and tried his best to keep segregation.

We do not say Merry Christmas as we have more agnostic, atheists, Jews, Muslims , and many more in the US. Lets face it. The Christian right is dying, as they were never Christian.

Like I said the Christian right is heretical. Its certainty not a Christianity that I recognize and Trump I do not want to return to the days of old.

What are you talking about?

The Founders were Christians.

There is nothing heretical about owning a gun.

The vast majority of the US is still Christian. The minority have no right to NOT hear, Merry Christmas.

And there were a lot of good in the Old Days. Turning back the clock on illegitimacy and manufacturing employment would be of great benefit to the nation, for two examples.

No they weren't. Many believed in a God, but most were Unitarian. The vast maj of Christians is not the Christian right. Keep your fundamentalism at home.

Do you understand how embarrassing it is to say we are a Christian nation. First we use black slaves, then we start sterilization, one war after another, and we are still at it. This is a Christian nation, forgive me , I doubt it.

You may have a point. How can a Christian nation allow assholes to murder unborn children?

Did Jesus mention the issue of abortion? I read the NT---
and do not recall any comment on abortion.. Jesus was a
Pharisee-------while not entirely firmed up ----the Pharisee view of abortion was------NO WAY------but that the mother's life takes precedence. Abortion was not considered
murder. At that time ----the ROMAN VIEW was that killing of children was the RIGHT of the "paterfamilias"----ie the male head of household-----and that right was held over natural children AND slaves-----killing of newborns was absolutely acceptable------same was true in Greek culture. An interesting factoid is that romans and greeks described
the jewish preoccupation with avoiding killing dependent people as ABSURD. "WESTERN CULTURE" is more the
child of ROME----than of Jerusalem. -----moving on over to
china-------no problem with abortion. In modern times----
abortion is used as GENERAL BIRTH CONTROL in
the former soviet union------it is not unusual to run into women
from that area who have casually had five abortions

"Thou Shalt Not Kill" should cover it!

 

[Fenton Lum]

Don? Read?

Our President doesn't read

He has others summarize it for him, hopefully with pictures

If you actually believe that, what does it say about our colleges?

Wharton sucks, just like Trump U.

 

[peach174]

Don? Read?

Our President doesn't read

He has others summarize it for him, hopefully with pictures

If you actually believe that, what does it say about our colleges?

Wharton sucks, just like Trump U.

He graduated from the University of Pennsylvania.

 

[rightwinger]

Don? Read?

Our President doesn't read

He has others summarize it for him, hopefully with pictures

If you actually believe that, what does it say about our colleges?

Our President does not read

 

[rightwinger]

Don? Read?

Our President doesn't read

He has others summarize it for him, hopefully with pictures

If you actually believe that, what does it say about our colleges?

Wharton sucks, just like Trump U.

He graduated from the University of Pennsylvania.

What degree of "assistance" he received cannot be established

Based on what we have seen of his writing, vocabulary and speaking skills......it is doubtful he could write a college level term paper

 

[Penelope]

The Christian right so clapped as he voiced his comments on it. No where does it say Christian. Also it invoked our creator (unknown name) as we all are born equal and have equal rights.

The Christian right are heretical. They love Roy Moore, who shows a pistol as he prances the stage, and tried his best to keep segregation.

We do not say Merry Christmas as we have more agnostic, atheists, Jews, Muslims , and many more in the US. Lets face it. The Christian right is dying, as they were never Christian.

Like I said the Christian right is heretical. Its certainty not a Christianity that I recognize and Trump I do not want to return to the days of old.

What are you talking about?

The Founders were Christians.

There is nothing heretical about owning a gun.

The vast majority of the US is still Christian. The minority have no right to NOT hear, Merry Christmas.

And there were a lot of good in the Old Days. Turning back the clock on illegitimacy and manufacturing employment would be of great benefit to the nation, for two examples.

No they weren't. Many believed in a God, but most were Unitarian. The vast maj of Christians is not the Christian right. Keep your fundamentalism at home.

Do you understand how embarrassing it is to say we are a Christian nation. First we use black slaves, then we start sterilization, one war after another, and we are still at it. This is a Christian nation, forgive me , I doubt it.

Only 3 were Unitarian.
Once again a left wing lie.

Religious Affiliation
of U.S. Founding Fathers # of
Founding
Fathers % of
Founding
Fathers
Episcopalian/Anglican 88 54.7%
Presbyterian 30 18.6%
Congregationalist 27 16.8%
Quaker 7 4.3%
Dutch Reformed/German Reformed 6 3.7%
Lutheran 5 3.1%
Catholic 3 1.9%
Huguenot 3 1.9%
Unitarian 3 1.9%
Methodist 2 1.2%
Calvinist 1 0.6%
TOTAL 204

Religion of the Founding Fathers of America

They may of belonged to a church but most were not orthodox.
The Founding Fathers, Deism, and Christianity | Founding Fathers

 

[Correll]

The Christian right so clapped as he voiced his comments on it. No where does it say Christian. Also it invoked our creator (unknown name) as we all are born equal and have equal rights.

The Christian right are heretical. They love Roy Moore, who shows a pistol as he prances the stage, and tried his best to keep segregation.

We do not say Merry Christmas as we have more agnostic, atheists, Jews, Muslims , and many more in the US. Lets face it. The Christian right is dying, as they were never Christian.

Like I said the Christian right is heretical. Its certainty not a Christianity that I recognize and Trump I do not want to return to the days of old.

What are you talking about?

The Founders were Christians.

There is nothing heretical about owning a gun.

The vast majority of the US is still Christian. The minority have no right to NOT hear, Merry Christmas.

And there were a lot of good in the Old Days. Turning back the clock on illegitimacy and manufacturing employment would be of great benefit to the nation, for two examples.

No they weren't. Many believed in a God, but most were Unitarian. The vast maj of Christians is not the Christian right. Keep your fundamentalism at home.

Do you understand how embarrassing it is to say we are a Christian nation. First we use black slaves, then we start sterilization, one war after another, and we are still at it. This is a Christian nation, forgive me , I doubt it.

Only 3 were Unitarian.
Once again a left wing lie.

Religious Affiliation
of U.S. Founding Fathers # of
Founding
Fathers % of
Founding
Fathers
Episcopalian/Anglican 88 54.7%
Presbyterian 30 18.6%
Congregationalist 27 16.8%
Quaker 7 4.3%
Dutch Reformed/German Reformed 6 3.7%
Lutheran 5 3.1%
Catholic 3 1.9%
Huguenot 3 1.9%
Unitarian 3 1.9%
Methodist 2 1.2%
Calvinist 1 0.6%
TOTAL 204

Religion of the Founding Fathers of America

They may of belonged to a church but most were not orthodox.
The Founding Fathers, Deism, and Christianity | Founding Fathers

Wow. Nice moving of the goal posts there.


First your position was that they were not Christians, now it's that they were not Orthodox.



So, The Founders were Christians. The vast majority of American are and have always been Christian.


Calling that a Christian nation is about as controversial as calling Hawaii an Island.

 

[Avatar4321]

The Christian right so clapped as he voiced his comments on it. No where does it say Christian. Also it invoked our creator (unknown name) as we all are born equal and have equal rights.

The Christian right are heretical. They love Roy Moore, who shows a pistol as he prances the stage, and tried his best to keep segregation.

We do not say Merry Christmas as we have more agnostic, atheists, Jews, Muslims , and many more in the US. Lets face it. The Christian right is dying, as they were never Christian.

Like I said the Christian right is heretical. Its certainty not a Christianity that I recognize and Trump I do not want to return to the days of old.

What are you talking about?

The Founders were Christians.

There is nothing heretical about owning a gun.

The vast majority of the US is still Christian. The minority have no right to NOT hear, Merry Christmas.

And there were a lot of good in the Old Days. Turning back the clock on illegitimacy and manufacturing employment would be of great benefit to the nation, for two examples.

No they weren't. Many believed in a God, but most were Unitarian. The vast maj of Christians is not the Christian right. Keep your fundamentalism at home.

Do you understand how embarrassing it is to say we are a Christian nation. First we use black slaves, then we start sterilization, one war after another, and we are still at it. This is a Christian nation, forgive me , I doubt it.

You may have a point. How can a Christian nation allow assholes to murder unborn children?

Did Jesus mention the issue of abortion? I read the NT---
and do not recall any comment on abortion.. Jesus was a
Pharisee-------while not entirely firmed up ----the Pharisee view of abortion was------NO WAY------but that the mother's life takes precedence. Abortion was not considered
murder. At that time ----the ROMAN VIEW was that killing of children was the RIGHT of the "paterfamilias"----ie the male head of household-----and that right was held over natural children AND slaves-----killing of newborns was absolutely acceptable------same was true in Greek culture. An interesting factoid is that romans and greeks described
the jewish preoccupation with avoiding killing dependent people as ABSURD. "WESTERN CULTURE" is more the
child of ROME----than of Jerusalem. -----moving on over to
china-------no problem with abortion. In modern times----
abortion is used as GENERAL BIRTH CONTROL in
the former soviet union------it is not unusual to run into women
from that area who have casually had five abortions

Luke 17:2

Oh and when he told Moses THOU SHALL NOT KILL

 

[Avatar4321]

The Christian right so clapped as he voiced his comments on it. No where does it say Christian. Also it invoked our creator (unknown name) as we all are born equal and have equal rights.

The Christian right are heretical. They love Roy Moore, who shows a pistol as he prances the stage, and tried his best to keep segregation.

We do not say Merry Christmas as we have more agnostic, atheists, Jews, Muslims , and many more in the US. Lets face it. The Christian right is dying, as they were never Christian.

Like I said the Christian right is heretical. Its certainty not a Christianity that I recognize and Trump I do not want to return to the days of old.

What are you talking about?

The Founders were Christians.

There is nothing heretical about owning a gun.

The vast majority of the US is still Christian. The minority have no right to NOT hear, Merry Christmas.

And there were a lot of good in the Old Days. Turning back the clock on illegitimacy and manufacturing employment would be of great benefit to the nation, for two examples.

No they weren't. Many believed in a God, but most were Unitarian. The vast maj of Christians is not the Christian right. Keep your fundamentalism at home.

Do you understand how embarrassing it is to say we are a Christian nation. First we use black slaves, then we start sterilization, one war after another, and we are still at it. This is a Christian nation, forgive me , I doubt it.

Only 3 were Unitarian.
Once again a left wing lie.

Religious Affiliation
of U.S. Founding Fathers # of
Founding
Fathers % of
Founding
Fathers
Episcopalian/Anglican 88 54.7%
Presbyterian 30 18.6%
Congregationalist 27 16.8%
Quaker 7 4.3%
Dutch Reformed/German Reformed 6 3.7%
Lutheran 5 3.1%
Catholic 3 1.9%
Huguenot 3 1.9%
Unitarian 3 1.9%
Methodist 2 1.2%
Calvinist 1 0.6%
TOTAL 204

Religion of the Founding Fathers of America

They may of belonged to a church but most were not orthodox.
The Founding Fathers, Deism, and Christianity | Founding Fathers

Of course they weren't Orthodox. Even today Orthodox Christians are uncommon in the USA

 

[Avatar4321]

Don? Read?

Our President doesn't read

He has others summarize it for him, hopefully with pictures

If you actually believe that, what does it say about our colleges?

Wharton sucks, just like Trump U.

He graduated from the University of Pennsylvania.

Wharton is the U of Ps business school

 

[irosie91]

The Christian right so clapped as he voiced his comments on it. No where does it say Christian. Also it invoked our creator (unknown name) as we all are born equal and have equal rights.

The Christian right are heretical. They love Roy Moore, who shows a pistol as he prances the stage, and tried his best to keep segregation.

We do not say Merry Christmas as we have more agnostic, atheists, Jews, Muslims , and many more in the US. Lets face it. The Christian right is dying, as they were never Christian.

Like I said the Christian right is heretical. Its certainty not a Christianity that I recognize and Trump I do not want to return to the days of old.

What are you talking about?

The Founders were Christians.

There is nothing heretical about owning a gun.

The vast majority of the US is still Christian. The minority have no right to NOT hear, Merry Christmas.

And there were a lot of good in the Old Days. Turning back the clock on illegitimacy and manufacturing employment would be of great benefit to the nation, for two examples.

No they weren't. Many believed in a God, but most were Unitarian. The vast maj of Christians is not the Christian right. Keep your fundamentalism at home.

Do you understand how embarrassing it is to say we are a Christian nation. First we use black slaves, then we start sterilization, one war after another, and we are still at it. This is a Christian nation, forgive me , I doubt it.

You may have a point. How can a Christian nation allow assholes to murder unborn children?

Did Jesus mention the issue of abortion? I read the NT---
and do not recall any comment on abortion.. Jesus was a
Pharisee-------while not entirely firmed up ----the Pharisee view of abortion was------NO WAY------but that the mother's life takes precedence. Abortion was not considered
murder. At that time ----the ROMAN VIEW was that killing of children was the RIGHT of the "paterfamilias"----ie the male head of household-----and that right was held over natural children AND slaves-----killing of newborns was absolutely acceptable------same was true in Greek culture. An interesting factoid is that romans and greeks described
the jewish preoccupation with avoiding killing dependent people as ABSURD. "WESTERN CULTURE" is more the
child of ROME----than of Jerusalem. -----moving on over to
china-------no problem with abortion. In modern times----
abortion is used as GENERAL BIRTH CONTROL in
the former soviet union------it is not unusual to run into women
from that area who have casually had five abortions

Luke 17:2

Oh and when he told Moses THOU SHALL NOT KILL

Luke told Moses- "THOU SHALL NOT KILL"? Luke never met Moses----unless it was some other moses in the neighborhood in Greece. Someone did write for moses----
THOU SHALL NOT MURDER-----the word for murder is not
the same as kill in Hebrew. -------Murder is a very specific
defined act ----which is equivalent to ----something like USA
KILL WITH MENS REA ----ie evil intent. ----generally in jewish jurisprudence ---"MURDER" is not simple homicide----MURDER requires FORETHOUGHT-----really----just killing
a person is not MURDER. If someone shoves a pregnant woman and she aborts----THAT IS NOT MURDER. ----not nice and possibly compensable-----but not murder A woman who aborts----commits a sin-----but NOT MURDER

 

[WillowTree]

What are you talking about?

The Founders were Christians.

There is nothing heretical about owning a gun.

The vast majority of the US is still Christian. The minority have no right to NOT hear, Merry Christmas.

And there were a lot of good in the Old Days. Turning back the clock on illegitimacy and manufacturing employment would be of great benefit to the nation, for two examples.

No they weren't. Many believed in a God, but most were Unitarian. The vast maj of Christians is not the Christian right. Keep your fundamentalism at home.

Do you understand how embarrassing it is to say we are a Christian nation. First we use black slaves, then we start sterilization, one war after another, and we are still at it. This is a Christian nation, forgive me , I doubt it.

You may have a point. How can a Christian nation allow assholes to murder unborn children?

Did Jesus mention the issue of abortion? I read the NT---
and do not recall any comment on abortion.. Jesus was a
Pharisee-------while not entirely firmed up ----the Pharisee view of abortion was------NO WAY------but that the mother's life takes precedence. Abortion was not considered
murder. At that time ----the ROMAN VIEW was that killing of children was the RIGHT of the "paterfamilias"----ie the male head of household-----and that right was held over natural children AND slaves-----killing of newborns was absolutely acceptable------same was true in Greek culture. An interesting factoid is that romans and greeks described
the jewish preoccupation with avoiding killing dependent people as ABSURD. "WESTERN CULTURE" is more the
child of ROME----than of Jerusalem. -----moving on over to
china-------no problem with abortion. In modern times----
abortion is used as GENERAL BIRTH CONTROL in
the former soviet union------it is not unusual to run into women
from that area who have casually had five abortions

Luke 17:2

Oh and when he told Moses THOU SHALL NOT KILL

Luke told Moses- "THOU SHALL NOT KILL"? Luke never met Moses----unless it was some other moses in the neighborhood in Greece. Someone did write for moses----
THOU SHALL NOT MURDER-----the word for murder is not
the same as kill in Hebrew. -------Murder is a very specific
defined act ----which is equivalent to ----something like USA
KILL WITH MENS REA ----ie evil intent. ----generally in jewish jurisprudence ---"MURDER" is not simple homicide----MURDER requires FORETHOUGHT-----really----just killing
a person is not MURDER. If someone shoves a pregnant woman and she aborts----THAT IS NOT MURDER. ----not nice and possibly compensable-----but not murder A woman who aborts----commits a sin-----but NOT MURDER

Murder requires forethought? Well so does abortion.

 

[peach174]

Don? Read?

Our President doesn't read

He has others summarize it for him, hopefully with pictures

If you actually believe that, what does it say about our colleges?

Wharton sucks, just like Trump U.

He graduated from the University of Pennsylvania.

Wharton is the U of Ps business school

Yes it is.
So only law schools are acceptable now as the only ivy league schools?
Wharton is a business ivy league school, since 1881.

 

[peach174]

The Christian right so clapped as he voiced his comments on it. No where does it say Christian. Also it invoked our creator (unknown name) as we all are born equal and have equal rights.

The Christian right are heretical. They love Roy Moore, who shows a pistol as he prances the stage, and tried his best to keep segregation.

We do not say Merry Christmas as we have more agnostic, atheists, Jews, Muslims , and many more in the US. Lets face it. The Christian right is dying, as they were never Christian.

Like I said the Christian right is heretical. Its certainty not a Christianity that I recognize and Trump I do not want to return to the days of old.

What are you talking about?

The Founders were Christians.

There is nothing heretical about owning a gun.

The vast majority of the US is still Christian. The minority have no right to NOT hear, Merry Christmas.

And there were a lot of good in the Old Days. Turning back the clock on illegitimacy and manufacturing employment would be of great benefit to the nation, for two examples.

No they weren't. Many believed in a God, but most were Unitarian. The vast maj of Christians is not the Christian right. Keep your fundamentalism at home.

Do you understand how embarrassing it is to say we are a Christian nation. First we use black slaves, then we start sterilization, one war after another, and we are still at it. This is a Christian nation, forgive me , I doubt it.

Only 3 were Unitarian.
Once again a left wing lie.

Religious Affiliation
of U.S. Founding Fathers # of
Founding
Fathers % of
Founding
Fathers
Episcopalian/Anglican 88 54.7%
Presbyterian 30 18.6%
Congregationalist 27 16.8%
Quaker 7 4.3%
Dutch Reformed/German Reformed 6 3.7%
Lutheran 5 3.1%
Catholic 3 1.9%
Huguenot 3 1.9%
Unitarian 3 1.9%
Methodist 2 1.2%
Calvinist 1 0.6%
TOTAL 204

Religion of the Founding Fathers of America

They may of belonged to a church but most were not orthodox.
The Founding Fathers, Deism, and Christianity | Founding Fathers

My commit was on you saying most were Unitarian, when there was only 3 of them.
Why would our founders belong to the Eastern Orthodox churches?
Very few Christians today are orthodox Christians.