Trump on a Roll Gets ObamaCare Ruled Unconstitutional MAGA Trump 2020

[dblack]

Where is his plan to fix healthcare? We have more uninsured.

First, we have to agree on what's broken about it.

I think everyone agrees it is way too expensive.

You think? As a hypothetical, if someone came up with a plan that would reduce health care prices by 20% across the board, do you think that would satisfy the "Medicare for All" folks? Because I don't think it would. I think what bothers them isn't that health care is too expensive. What bothers them is that health care costs money at all. They think it should be "free".

I see two distinct, and in some ways contradictory, problems related to health care. First, is that the market is distorted in a number of ways that are driving health care inflation, making it so expensive that the average person can't afford basic health care. Second, is the social problem of what do about people who can't afford health care.

Obviously, the first problem feeds the second. If we can get the market back in check, there will be fewer people who can't afford health care and helping them will be easier.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Trump delivers on another campaign promise. Trump looks unbeatable in 2020.

< A federal appeals court has determined the individual mandate in the nation's health care law is unconstitutional. >

Court declares Obamacare individual mandate unconstitutional

Congratulations! Trump and his supporters are successfully yanking health insurance away from tens of thousands of Americans! What a glorious victory!

The leftist salt is a nice added bonus. Trump salt mining inc. stocks up once again, good for America.

It was a glorious victory indeed. Trump was sworn in to repeal Obamacare. Nice Christmas present for all Americans, a other promise fulfilled.

Hate to break it to you but until a reasonable replacement is presented, the Courts will not allow it. yes, they can gut the ACA but they can't just willy nilly repeal it. Sorry, Champus, but you get coal in your stocking yet again.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Hardly, most counties in NY are Republican.

The problem is the South, they are the moochers, they are the war mongering maniacs, they unloaded a bunch of Negs & LGBTQ upon the North, which shifted the North Left wing.

Not to mention how this impacted our crime, gangs, murder rates, and quality of life by the South unloading its Negs on us.

They are peddlers of misery & idiocy down South.

Our Electoral College system gives them power; power which they use in most of those states to defeat Socialism and Communism. Give credit where credit is due.

The South uses big Fed government the most.
They get more Medicaid, Social Security, Welfare, Disability,Food Stamps, not to mention all the Military stimulus that goes into paychecks, or military pensions, military college funds etc.

The South are a bunch of idiots.

We'd be a far greater country without them.

PS.
I don't care about defeating Socialism.

Socialism is actually a good compromise.

I care about defeating Capitalism, Globalism & the Synagogue of Satan.

Yes Commies too, but contrary to the opinions of Republicans social programs aren't necessarily Communist.

Please....the US Communist Party supported the last three Democrat presidential nominees, and couldn't say enough about Sanders.

Defeat capitalism, and you defeat the country, because nearly everything we have today is because of capitalism.

The first pushes for universal healthcare movements came from Germany & the UK.

Universal health care - Wikipedia

Yeah, Capitalism is also responsible for everything wrong with American society too.

Fascism has the best economic growth record, and NOT Capitalism.

- Franco a basic Fascist guy achieved the #1 economic growth period in 20th century Europe in the Spanish Miracle, only 2nd in the World to Japan's post WW2 economic miracle.

- Hitler did far better on the Great Depression recovery than had the USA, Great Britain, or France.

- FDR a guy who basically supported Fascism lite, achieved the #1 economic growth in 20th century America.

PS.

Modern China's economic miracle , and Japan's economic miracle also are Hybrid systems, or basically Fascist like.

Again, Capitalism is NOT a Government type. Fascism is. And Fascism operates by the consent of the Capitalists. I suggest you study up on Franco's rise to power in Spain.

Just about every single champion growth period in the past 100 years, had involved government intervention AKA the hybrid system.

Just about none of them used the Libertarian method.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Where is his plan to fix healthcare? We have more uninsured.

First, we have to agree on what's broken about it.

I think everyone agrees it is way too expensive.

You think? As a hypothetical, if someone came up with a plan that would reduce health care prices by 20% across the board, do you think that would satisfy the "Medicare for All" folks? Because I don't think it would. I think what bothers them isn't that health care is too expensive. What bothers them is that health care costs money at all. They think it should be "free".

I see two distinct, and in some ways contradictory, problems related to health care. First, is that the market is distorted in a number of ways that are driving health care inflation, making it so expensive that the average person can't afford basic health care. Second, is the social problem of what do about people who can't afford health care.

Obviously, the first problem feeds the second. If we can get the market back in check, there will be fewer people who can't afford health care and helping them will be easier.

A viable solution has been presented an you ignore it. Do you just want to fight about it or are you going to present positive suggestions.

 

[dblack]

Where is his plan to fix healthcare? We have more uninsured.

First, we have to agree on what's broken about it.

I think everyone agrees it is way too expensive.

You think? As a hypothetical, if someone came up with a plan that would reduce health care prices by 20% across the board, do you think that would satisfy the "Medicare for All" folks? Because I don't think it would. I think what bothers them isn't that health care is too expensive. What bothers them is that health care costs money at all. They think it should be "free".

I see two distinct, and in some ways contradictory, problems related to health care. First, is that the market is distorted in a number of ways that are driving health care inflation, making it so expensive that the average person can't afford basic health care. Second, is the social problem of what do about people who can't afford health care.

Obviously, the first problem feeds the second. If we can get the market back in check, there will be fewer people who can't afford health care and helping them will be easier.

A viable solution has been presented an you ignore it. Do you just want to fight about it or are you going to present positive suggestions.

What problem is your solution trying to solve?

 

[Norman]

Trump delivers on another campaign promise. Trump looks unbeatable in 2020.

< A federal appeals court has determined the individual mandate in the nation's health care law is unconstitutional. >

Court declares Obamacare individual mandate unconstitutional

Congratulations! Trump and his supporters are successfully yanking health insurance away from tens of thousands of Americans! What a glorious victory!

The leftist salt is a nice added bonus. Trump salt mining inc. stocks up once again, good for America.

It was a glorious victory indeed. Trump was sworn in to repeal Obamacare. Nice Christmas present for all Americans, a other promise fulfilled.

Hate to break it to you but until a reasonable replacement is presented, the Courts will not allow it. yes, they can gut the ACA but they can't just willy nilly repeal it. Sorry, Champus, but you get coal in your stocking yet again.

Why are you guys moaning so hard then?

Whenever a leftist moans, that's good news for America, the nation of freedom, not your stupid communism.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Our Electoral College system gives them power; power which they use in most of those states to defeat Socialism and Communism. Give credit where credit is due.

The South uses big Fed government the most.
They get more Medicaid, Social Security, Welfare, Disability,Food Stamps, not to mention all the Military stimulus that goes into paychecks, or military pensions, military college funds etc.

The South are a bunch of idiots.

We'd be a far greater country without them.

PS.
I don't care about defeating Socialism.

Socialism is actually a good compromise.

I care about defeating Capitalism, Globalism & the Synagogue of Satan.

Yes Commies too, but contrary to the opinions of Republicans social programs aren't necessarily Communist.

Please....the US Communist Party supported the last three Democrat presidential nominees, and couldn't say enough about Sanders.

Defeat capitalism, and you defeat the country, because nearly everything we have today is because of capitalism.

The first pushes for universal healthcare movements came from Germany & the UK.

Universal health care - Wikipedia

Yeah, Capitalism is also responsible for everything wrong with American society too.

Fascism has the best economic growth record, and NOT Capitalism.

- Franco a basic Fascist guy achieved the #1 economic growth period in 20th century Europe in the Spanish Miracle, only 2nd in the World to Japan's post WW2 economic miracle.

- Hitler did far better on the Great Depression recovery than had the USA, Great Britain, or France.

- FDR a guy who basically supported Fascism lite, achieved the #1 economic growth in 20th century America.

PS.

Modern China's economic miracle , and Japan's economic miracle also are Hybrid systems, or basically Fascist like.

Again, Capitalism is NOT a Government type. Fascism is. And Fascism operates by the consent of the Capitalists. I suggest you study up on Franco's rise to power in Spain.

Just about every single champion growth period in the past 100 years, had involved government intervention AKA the hybrid system.

Just about none of them used the Libertarian method.

There are as many definitions of Libertarian as the sands of the desert. You really need to explain yourself a bit better.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Hardly, most counties in NY are Republican.

The problem is the South, they are the moochers, they are the war mongering maniacs, they unloaded a bunch of Negs & LGBTQ upon the North, which shifted the North Left wing.

Not to mention how this impacted our crime, gangs, murder rates, and quality of life by the South unloading its Negs on us.

They are peddlers of misery & idiocy down South.

Our Electoral College system gives them power; power which they use in most of those states to defeat Socialism and Communism. Give credit where credit is due.

The South uses big Fed government the most.
They get more Medicaid, Social Security, Welfare, Disability,Food Stamps, not to mention all the Military stimulus that goes into paychecks, or military pensions, military college funds etc.

The South are a bunch of idiots.

We'd be a far greater country without them.

PS.
I don't care about defeating Socialism.

Socialism is actually a good compromise.

I care about defeating Capitalism, Globalism & the Synagogue of Satan.

Yes Commies too, but contrary to the opinions of Republicans social programs aren't necessarily Communist.

Please....the US Communist Party supported the last three Democrat presidential nominees, and couldn't say enough about Sanders.

Defeat capitalism, and you defeat the country, because nearly everything we have today is because of capitalism.

The first pushes for universal healthcare movements came from Germany & the UK.

Universal health care - Wikipedia

Yeah, Capitalism is also responsible for everything wrong with American society too.

Fascism has the best economic growth record, and NOT Capitalism.

- Franco a basic Fascist guy achieved the #1 economic growth period in 20th century Europe in the Spanish Miracle, only 2nd in the World to Japan's post WW2 economic miracle.

- Hitler did far better on the Great Depression recovery than had the USA, Great Britain, or France.

- FDR a guy who basically supported Fascism lite, achieved the #1 economic growth in 20th century America.

PS.

Modern China's economic miracle , and Japan's economic miracle also are Hybrid systems, or basically Fascist like.

Again, Capitalism is NOT a Government type. Fascism is. And Fascism operates by the consent of the Capitalists. I suggest you study up on Franco's rise to power in Spain.

That's debatable, because Capitalism really kind of depends on some form of Government & or Justice system to keep property & trade free-flowing, otherwise you get basically an Anarchist thug-fest, where he who can shoot & loot the most wins the property.

 

[bluzman61]

Trump delivers on another campaign promise. Trump looks unbeatable in 2020.

< A federal appeals court has determined the individual mandate in the nation's health care law is unconstitutional. >

Court declares Obamacare individual mandate unconstitutional

Wonderful news! ANOTHER dagger in Barry's "legacy", SO nice to see.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

The South uses big Fed government the most.
They get more Medicaid, Social Security, Welfare, Disability,Food Stamps, not to mention all the Military stimulus that goes into paychecks, or military pensions, military college funds etc.

The South are a bunch of idiots.

We'd be a far greater country without them.

PS.
I don't care about defeating Socialism.

Socialism is actually a good compromise.

I care about defeating Capitalism, Globalism & the Synagogue of Satan.

Yes Commies too, but contrary to the opinions of Republicans social programs aren't necessarily Communist.

Please....the US Communist Party supported the last three Democrat presidential nominees, and couldn't say enough about Sanders.

Defeat capitalism, and you defeat the country, because nearly everything we have today is because of capitalism.

The first pushes for universal healthcare movements came from Germany & the UK.

Universal health care - Wikipedia

Yeah, Capitalism is also responsible for everything wrong with American society too.

Fascism has the best economic growth record, and NOT Capitalism.

- Franco a basic Fascist guy achieved the #1 economic growth period in 20th century Europe in the Spanish Miracle, only 2nd in the World to Japan's post WW2 economic miracle.

- Hitler did far better on the Great Depression recovery than had the USA, Great Britain, or France.

- FDR a guy who basically supported Fascism lite, achieved the #1 economic growth in 20th century America.

PS.

Modern China's economic miracle , and Japan's economic miracle also are Hybrid systems, or basically Fascist like.

Again, Capitalism is NOT a Government type. Fascism is. And Fascism operates by the consent of the Capitalists. I suggest you study up on Franco's rise to power in Spain.

Just about every single champion growth period in the past 100 years, had involved government intervention AKA the hybrid system.

Just about none of them used the Libertarian method.

There are as many definitions of Libertarian as the sands of the desert. You really need to explain yourself a bit better.

Doesn't matter, Libertarian on the right, or Libertarian on the left.
Both, are kind of contradictions, really.

Libertarianism will lead to social Liberalism & economic inequality.

So, basically 99% of Libertarians are idiots.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Where is his plan to fix healthcare? We have more uninsured.

First, we have to agree on what's broken about it.

I think everyone agrees it is way too expensive.

You think? As a hypothetical, if someone came up with a plan that would reduce health care prices by 20% across the board, do you think that would satisfy the "Medicare for All" folks? Because I don't think it would. I think what bothers them isn't that health care is too expensive. What bothers them is that health care costs money at all. They think it should be "free".

I see two distinct, and in some ways contradictory, problems related to health care. First, is that the market is distorted in a number of ways that are driving health care inflation, making it so expensive that the average person can't afford basic health care. Second, is the social problem of what do about people who can't afford health care.

Obviously, the first problem feeds the second. If we can get the market back in check, there will be fewer people who can't afford health care and helping them will be easier.

A viable solution has been presented an you ignore it. Do you just want to fight about it or are you going to present positive suggestions.

What problem is your solution trying to solve?

Masshealth pretty well solves it. Do some research on it. It's what the ACA was supposed to be before the infighting and backbiting happened. It works and works well. Can you afford 30 bucks a month for Health Care for most of the population? Bernies "No Charge" doesn't work but everyone kicking in that signs up for it and are charge by their income does make it work. And along with it comes the state allowing Hospitals and Doctors to work out deals with the Drug Companies direct. No Epipens for 1000 bucks or even 100 bucks or even 20 bucks considering the Government paid for the development, testing and initial first batch.

There is still room for people in Mass to have their own private medical and opt out. Again, it's a good system, it works and it can be expanded if the Feds hire the same people that set it up for Mass instead of the quacks that they hired before. There is nothing wrong with ACA if it's adapted to the Masshealth standards. You keep looking for a problem that just isn't there. And that is called arguing and getting nothing done. WE already have that. Some are just nicer about it than others.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

I make amends, basically 100% of TRUE Libertarians are idiots.

Because, they'd just get run over, invaded by tribes of immigrants, invaders of military's etc.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Trump delivers on another campaign promise. Trump looks unbeatable in 2020.

< A federal appeals court has determined the individual mandate in the nation's health care law is unconstitutional. >

Court declares Obamacare individual mandate unconstitutional

Congratulations! Trump and his supporters are successfully yanking health insurance away from tens of thousands of Americans! What a glorious victory!

The leftist salt is a nice added bonus. Trump salt mining inc. stocks up once again, good for America.

It was a glorious victory indeed. Trump was sworn in to repeal Obamacare. Nice Christmas present for all Americans, a other promise fulfilled.

Hate to break it to you but until a reasonable replacement is presented, the Courts will not allow it. yes, they can gut the ACA but they can't just willy nilly repeal it. Sorry, Champus, but you get coal in your stocking yet again.

Why are you guys moaning so hard then?

Whenever a leftist moans, that's good news for America, the nation of freedom, not your stupid communism.

Yes, and freedom is costing us a ton.

Paying more on healthcare.

Having the freedom to hire Illegal Immigrants & outsource jobs.

Freedom of Abortion, Hollywood smut, Porn, Gangster rap music, to be a Gay bar or Gay Tavern owner, to print & sell Che Guevara T-Shirts.

How's that working out for this country?

 

[dblack]

First, we have to agree on what's broken about it.

I think everyone agrees it is way too expensive.

You think? As a hypothetical, if someone came up with a plan that would reduce health care prices by 20% across the board, do you think that would satisfy the "Medicare for All" folks? Because I don't think it would. I think what bothers them isn't that health care is too expensive. What bothers them is that health care costs money at all. They think it should be "free".

I see two distinct, and in some ways contradictory, problems related to health care. First, is that the market is distorted in a number of ways that are driving health care inflation, making it so expensive that the average person can't afford basic health care. Second, is the social problem of what do about people who can't afford health care.

Obviously, the first problem feeds the second. If we can get the market back in check, there will be fewer people who can't afford health care and helping them will be easier.

A viable solution has been presented an you ignore it. Do you just want to fight about it or are you going to present positive suggestions.

What problem is your solution trying to solve?

Masshealth pretty well solves it.

What is "it"? What problem is Masshealth trying to solve?

 

[DOTR]

First, we have to agree on what's broken about it.

I think everyone agrees it is way too expensive.

You think? As a hypothetical, if someone came up with a plan that would reduce health care prices by 20% across the board, do you think that would satisfy the "Medicare for All" folks? Because I don't think it would. I think what bothers them isn't that health care is too expensive. What bothers them is that health care costs money at all. They think it should be "free".

I see two distinct, and in some ways contradictory, problems related to health care. First, is that the market is distorted in a number of ways that are driving health care inflation, making it so expensive that the average person can't afford basic health care. Second, is the social problem of what do about people who can't afford health care.

Obviously, the first problem feeds the second. If we can get the market back in check, there will be fewer people who can't afford health care and helping them will be easier.

A viable solution has been presented an you ignore it. Do you just want to fight about it or are you going to present positive suggestions.

What problem is your solution trying to solve?

Masshealth pretty well solves it. Do some research on it. It's what the ACA was supposed to be before the infighting and backbiting happened. It works and works well. Can you afford 30 bucks a month for Health Care for most of the population? Bernies "No Charge" doesn't work but everyone kicking in that signs up for it and are charge by their income does make it work. And along with it comes the state allowing Hospitals and Doctors to work out deals with the Drug Companies direct. No Epipens for 1000 bucks or even 100 bucks or even 20 bucks considering the Government paid for the development, testing and initial first batch.

There is still room for people in Mass to have their own private medical and opt out. Again, it's a good system, it works and it can be expanded if the Feds hire the same people that set it up for Mass instead of the quacks that they hired before. There is nothing wrong with ACA if it's adapted to the Masshealth standards. You keep looking for a problem that just isn't there. And that is called arguing and getting nothing done. WE already have that. Some are just nicer about it than others.

Then why can’t you leave it to the states?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I think everyone agrees it is way too expensive.

You think? As a hypothetical, if someone came up with a plan that would reduce health care prices by 20% across the board, do you think that would satisfy the "Medicare for All" folks? Because I don't think it would. I think what bothers them isn't that health care is too expensive. What bothers them is that health care costs money at all. They think it should be "free".

I see two distinct, and in some ways contradictory, problems related to health care. First, is that the market is distorted in a number of ways that are driving health care inflation, making it so expensive that the average person can't afford basic health care. Second, is the social problem of what do about people who can't afford health care.

Obviously, the first problem feeds the second. If we can get the market back in check, there will be fewer people who can't afford health care and helping them will be easier.

A viable solution has been presented an you ignore it. Do you just want to fight about it or are you going to present positive suggestions.

What problem is your solution trying to solve?

Masshealth pretty well solves it.

What is "it"? What problem is Masshealth trying to solve?

It's not trying to "Solve" a problem. it has solved the problem. Again, you need to present workable solutions if you disagree with that. Masshealth is close to what Biden and Mayor Pete have suggested. They just haven't put a name to it. When one or the other gets to be the nominee, I think they will put a name to it and on that subject, Rump is toast. And that is a lot more important to Americans than all the distractions Rump can come up with.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I think everyone agrees it is way too expensive.

You think? As a hypothetical, if someone came up with a plan that would reduce health care prices by 20% across the board, do you think that would satisfy the "Medicare for All" folks? Because I don't think it would. I think what bothers them isn't that health care is too expensive. What bothers them is that health care costs money at all. They think it should be "free".

I see two distinct, and in some ways contradictory, problems related to health care. First, is that the market is distorted in a number of ways that are driving health care inflation, making it so expensive that the average person can't afford basic health care. Second, is the social problem of what do about people who can't afford health care.

Obviously, the first problem feeds the second. If we can get the market back in check, there will be fewer people who can't afford health care and helping them will be easier.

A viable solution has been presented an you ignore it. Do you just want to fight about it or are you going to present positive suggestions.

What problem is your solution trying to solve?

Masshealth pretty well solves it. Do some research on it. It's what the ACA was supposed to be before the infighting and backbiting happened. It works and works well. Can you afford 30 bucks a month for Health Care for most of the population? Bernies "No Charge" doesn't work but everyone kicking in that signs up for it and are charge by their income does make it work. And along with it comes the state allowing Hospitals and Doctors to work out deals with the Drug Companies direct. No Epipens for 1000 bucks or even 100 bucks or even 20 bucks considering the Government paid for the development, testing and initial first batch.

There is still room for people in Mass to have their own private medical and opt out. Again, it's a good system, it works and it can be expanded if the Feds hire the same people that set it up for Mass instead of the quacks that they hired before. There is nothing wrong with ACA if it's adapted to the Masshealth standards. You keep looking for a problem that just isn't there. And that is called arguing and getting nothing done. WE already have that. Some are just nicer about it than others.

Then why can’t you leave it to the states?

Because of the Red States. The Blue states would still be paying the bulk of the medical for the red states. And the Red states would refuse to do it on their own more out of spite.

 

[dblack]

You think? As a hypothetical, if someone came up with a plan that would reduce health care prices by 20% across the board, do you think that would satisfy the "Medicare for All" folks? Because I don't think it would. I think what bothers them isn't that health care is too expensive. What bothers them is that health care costs money at all. They think it should be "free".

I see two distinct, and in some ways contradictory, problems related to health care. First, is that the market is distorted in a number of ways that are driving health care inflation, making it so expensive that the average person can't afford basic health care. Second, is the social problem of what do about people who can't afford health care.

Obviously, the first problem feeds the second. If we can get the market back in check, there will be fewer people who can't afford health care and helping them will be easier.

A viable solution has been presented an you ignore it. Do you just want to fight about it or are you going to present positive suggestions.

What problem is your solution trying to solve?

Masshealth pretty well solves it.

What is "it"? What problem is Masshealth trying to solve?

It's not trying to "Solve" a problem. it has solved the problem.

Which problem did it solve?

Again, you need to present workable solutions if you disagree with that.

Again, I can't possibly judge whether Masshealth "solved the problem" if I don't know problem it's supposed to have solved.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

A viable solution has been presented an you ignore it. Do you just want to fight about it or are you going to present positive suggestions.

What problem is your solution trying to solve?

Masshealth pretty well solves it.

What is "it"? What problem is Masshealth trying to solve?

It's not trying to "Solve" a problem. it has solved the problem.

Which problem did it solve?

Again, you need to present workable solutions if you disagree with that.

Again, I can't possibly judge whether Masshealth "solved the problem" if we don't know problem it's supposed to have solve.

Tell you what, you list the problems. You seem to want to dwell on the problems rather than the cures. So let's discuss the problems. but beware, I will be referring to Masshealth in the responses.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Trump delivers on another campaign promise. Trump looks unbeatable in 2020.

< A federal appeals court has determined the individual mandate in the nation's health care law is unconstitutional. >

Court declares Obamacare individual mandate unconstitutional

Congratulations! Trump and his supporters are successfully yanking health insurance away from tens of thousands of Americans! What a glorious victory!

The leftist salt is a nice added bonus. Trump salt mining inc. stocks up once again, good for America.

It was a glorious victory indeed. Trump was sworn in to repeal Obamacare. Nice Christmas present for all Americans, a other promise fulfilled.

Hate to break it to you but until a reasonable replacement is presented, the Courts will not allow it. yes, they can gut the ACA but they can't just willy nilly repeal it. Sorry, Champus, but you get coal in your stocking yet again.

Of course they can, because the court is not concerned about replacements or anything like that. They care only concerned about the constitutionally of the matter. What the politicians do is up to them.