Trump pulling out of Paris Climate Accord

[rightwinger]

So, what is the ecological impact of the US pulling out of the Paris accords?

Probably very little. We cant withdraw officially until 2020. By then, Trump will either be impeached or headed for an electoral defeat. The new President will quickly apologize for the idiot that is Donald Trump and bring us back into compliance

The major impact of Trumps impulsive decision is the loss of US influence around the globe. Where we were once looked at as the source of guidance and responsible leadership, we are now looked at as a childlike nation distracted by shiny objects. The power void created by the withdrawal of the US from sane leadership will be filled by the EU, Russia and China

Lmfao that's your new talking points from the demofag underground ..sorry we pulled out



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Trump pulled out as Leader of the Free World

just the opposite, he reset the leadership problem. follow france, i don't think so.

Yes, he did reset it

The world no longer looks to the US for leadership. Looks like Merkel will fill the void

Putin could not be happier

Ahhh poor baby the world couldn't steal the US money for their asinine Ponzi scheme.

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Typical rightwing paranoia

The world is out to get us, everyone benefits from the accord except for us

 

[rightwinger]

To those of you who have no regard for international law.

Trump withdraws, he ignores the ramifications, and does his thing.

The next reasonable administration will admit fault and pay restitution and fees. What could go wrong?

Morons.

Just as quickly as Trump withdrew from the Paris Accords, the next President will bring us back in

Yes, there will have to be an apology tour.....but that is common after having a Republican President

Just as quickly as Trump withdrew from the Paris Accords, the next President will bring us back in

Great. All they need is a 2/3rds vote in the Senate.
When did the Paris Accord get 2/3rds? Link?

Wasn't required.

That is why the next President, even if he is a Republican, will bring us back in

 

[Billy_Bob]

The US certainly can leave the Paris Accord but not easily as the far right believes.

Scientific American points out that "HOW QUICKLY COULD TRUMP EXIT? Could Trump Simply Withdraw U.S. from Paris Climate Agreement? The international law requirements are somewhat complicated. One of the reasons Obama helped usher the deal into force early this year is because that meant that any country that was a party to the agreement couldn’t leave until it completed a four-year withdrawal process. Michael Wara, an environmental law professor at the Stanford Law School, said Trump could use his office to issue an executive communication removing the United States from Paris, but even if he did that, the United States would still be a party for four years and could be subject to its legally binding procedural commitments.

If the United States failed to meet its obligations, which are being negotiated starting now at the U.N. climate conference underway in Marrakech, Morocco, it would be breaking international law.

The United States could take a shortcut and exit the UNFCCC, a move that could be likely, given Trump’s criticisms of the U.N. body. That could be done in one year rather than four, and would result in leaving Paris, as well. Or Trump’s administration could send observers to monitor negotiations but not participate in them and refuse to carry through on Obama’s nationally determined contribution pledge to cut carbon dioxide emissions 26 to 28 percent compared with 2005 levels by 2025."

NPR has a good read at Trump Will Decide If U.S. Should Withdraw From Climate Accord.

As the treaty was NEVER RATIFIED BY CONGRESS IT HAS NO LEGAL OR BINDING ATTACHMENTS... We can give it the finger and its gone!

 

[Slade3200]

I agree with that. We need to move closer to bipartisan collaboration rather than authoritarian control by one person or party

Yeah, starting when, in January?

Starting as soon as we can find a leader that inspires this type of attitude. All we have now are a bunch of partisan schmucks hogging the mic followed by their brainless puppets singing their praises.

We do? And what did we have under DumBama? Can you name me one negative thing he took responsibility for? How many times has he reached out to Republicans?

We on the right (that elected Donald Trump for President) don't believe in man made global warming. That's it. And because we don't believe in it, we don't expect our leader to abide to what DumBama believed.

Did you ever listen to any of his speeches? He constantly reached out to Republicans and they slammed the door in his face. He then got fed up with the obstruction and went on an Executive Order binge which I didn't like but now it seems to be what Trump is adopting.

You want me to name one bad thing he took responsibility for... I'll do better than one.

1. He took responsibility for the Dems loosing power in congress in 2010
2. He took responsibility for the disaster in Benghazi
3. He took responsibility for the terrible rollout of the ACA and asked for help from both parties to fix it. What did he get from the Reps... "Repeal/Replace"

He reached out to Republicans? Is that when he said they should sit in the back and shut up?

Before that

 

[Doc1]

Lmfao that's your new talking points from the demofag underground ..sorry we pulled out



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Trump pulled out as Leader of the Free World

just the opposite, he reset the leadership problem. follow france, i don't think so.

Yes, he did reset it

The world no longer looks to the US for leadership. Looks like Merkel will fill the void

Putin could not be happier

Ahhh poor baby the world couldn't steal the US money for their asinine Ponzi scheme.

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Typical rightwing paranoia

The world is out to get us, everyone benefits from the accord except for us

The two things always want are our Money and our Military.

 

[BlindBoo]

It was a simple matter for President Obama to have negotiated one had he wanted.

If providing a residual security force was a 'simple matter' why couldn't President Bush get the Iraqis to agree to one instead of agreeing to pull back from the cities in 6 months and a complete withdrawal from the entire country in 3 years? The invasion and occupation, and conclusion was his decision.

 

[Slade3200]

That's a dangerous precedent you're setting. I don't wanna hear you bitching in 5 years when the New Democratic president rolls back on Trumps agreements. I'll still be voicing my opposition to it if they do so in the same way Trump is going about it. There is an art to diplomacy that Trump needs serious lessons in.

What diplomacy? He has every right to do what he did. Just because the Commie before him wanted other countries to tell us how to run ours, doesn't mean he has to agree with it because of DumBama. We don't owe anybody anything---get it?

I never claimed that he did anything illegal, of course he has the right to do it. I just think when you have a coalition of nations all coming together to work on environmental issues, it is very short sighted and borderline stupid to say, i'm gonna take my toys and go home... especially when we are supposed to be a world leader. It is petty and small. I'm fine with renegotiating the deal and working on ways to improve it, but just like the "repeal/replace" BS it seems like these partisans are more concerned with ruining Obamas legacy than working on actually common sense ways to make our world better in a unifying way.

Wait a minute. WTF do we need other countries to do what we want WITH OUR environment? What do we need their permission or blessing for? If we want to do something, we voters will decide; not France, not Italy, not Germany, not Poland. We decide what we wish to do with our country.

Trump elected to not work with other people to tell us what do do or how much to spend. That's up to us and nobody else. DumBama was a surrender-first liberal like most, but we Republicans don't believe in surrendering our country to anybody.

Incase you didn't get the memo, we share the environment with the whole world. If China pollutes we breath it... if emissions have an effect on the climate then we all are affected. Thats how our ecosystem works. Come on Ray, you can't be this dense, I know you know these things.

In case you didn't get the memo, climate change is a con and a swindle. If you want to do something about pollution in China, then do it. Don't expect the USA to follow the climate change lemmings over the cliff.

I'm seeing all these politicians and analysts from the Right talking about the climate situation and I haven't hear one say it's a hoax. They all acknowledge what science has reported. Only wingnuts like you deny it.

 

[Doc1]

To those of you who have no regard for international law.Trump withdraws, he ignores the ramifications, and does his thing.The next reasonable administration will admit fault and pay restitution and fees. What could go wrong?Morons.

No they won't moron..because the Senate will still be run by the Republicans..

It's an Agreement, which does not require Senate approval. Careful when you call names.

It's an Agreement, which does not require Senate approval.

It's an Agreement, which means Trump can withdraw unilaterally.

Correct, much to the dismay of the political illiterate. With his announcement we are out of it now. Despite the claims of some here. It is dead to the US.

 

[2aguy]

Since all these stupid Moon Bats are convinced that because Trump pulled out of the Paris Climate Agreement the earth is going to burn up then they should all go out and buy one of these:

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Or maybe if they are convinced the ice caps are going to melt and they might drown maybe they should build one of these:

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Are you saying that these are naturally created?

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Those are local conditions......and they are as easily remedied as we remedied them in the 70s and 80s.....they don't take trillions of dollars of payments to the very countries who won't clean up their own cities.......taking the money from us to give to the countries polluting their own cities.......


We cleaned up our rivers and cities and it didn't take a global tax to do it...they can do the same.....the wealthier their countries become through innovation and growth, the more their people will expect a clean place to live...capitalism, not socialist wealth redistribution, will fix pollution...

 

[2aguy]

What diplomacy? He has every right to do what he did. Just because the Commie before him wanted other countries to tell us how to run ours, doesn't mean he has to agree with it because of DumBama. We don't owe anybody anything---get it?

I never claimed that he did anything illegal, of course he has the right to do it. I just think when you have a coalition of nations all coming together to work on environmental issues, it is very short sighted and borderline stupid to say, i'm gonna take my toys and go home... especially when we are supposed to be a world leader. It is petty and small. I'm fine with renegotiating the deal and working on ways to improve it, but just like the "repeal/replace" BS it seems like these partisans are more concerned with ruining Obamas legacy than working on actually common sense ways to make our world better in a unifying way.

Wait a minute. WTF do we need other countries to do what we want WITH OUR environment? What do we need their permission or blessing for? If we want to do something, we voters will decide; not France, not Italy, not Germany, not Poland. We decide what we wish to do with our country.

Trump elected to not work with other people to tell us what do do or how much to spend. That's up to us and nobody else. DumBama was a surrender-first liberal like most, but we Republicans don't believe in surrendering our country to anybody.

Incase you didn't get the memo, we share the environment with the whole world. If China pollutes we breath it... if emissions have an effect on the climate then we all are affected. Thats how our ecosystem works. Come on Ray, you can't be this dense, I know you know these things.

In case you didn't get the memo, climate change is a con and a swindle. If you want to do something about pollution in China, then do it. Don't expect the USA to follow the climate change lemmings over the cliff.

I'm seeing all these politicians and analysts from the Right talking about the climate situation and I haven't hear one say it's a hoax. They all acknowledge what science has reported. Only wingnuts like you deny it.

Man made global warming is a hoax.........they say the climate changes...which it does.......science can't predict the local weather a few days out...and yet you want us to believe they can predict the climate 80 years from now....?

 

[Slade3200]

That's a dangerous precedent you're setting. I don't wanna hear you bitching in 5 years when the New Democratic president rolls back on Trumps agreements. I'll still be voicing my opposition to it if they do so in the same way Trump is going about it. There is an art to diplomacy that Trump needs serious lessons in.

What diplomacy? He has every right to do what he did. Just because the Commie before him wanted other countries to tell us how to run ours, doesn't mean he has to agree with it because of DumBama. We don't owe anybody anything---get it?

I never claimed that he did anything illegal, of course he has the right to do it. I just think when you have a coalition of nations all coming together to work on environmental issues, it is very short sighted and borderline stupid to say, i'm gonna take my toys and go home... especially when we are supposed to be a world leader. It is petty and small. I'm fine with renegotiating the deal and working on ways to improve it, but just like the "repeal/replace" BS it seems like these partisans are more concerned with ruining Obamas legacy than working on actually common sense ways to make our world better in a unifying way.

Wait a minute. WTF do we need other countries to do what we want WITH OUR environment? What do we need their permission or blessing for? If we want to do something, we voters will decide; not France, not Italy, not Germany, not Poland. We decide what we wish to do with our country.

Trump elected to not work with other people to tell us what do do or how much to spend. That's up to us and nobody else. DumBama was a surrender-first liberal like most, but we Republicans don't believe in surrendering our country to anybody.

Incase you didn't get the memo, we share the environment with the whole world. If China pollutes we breath it... if emissions have an effect on the climate then we all are affected. Thats how our ecosystem works. Come on Ray, you can't be this dense, I know you know these things.

so why aren't you bothered that they don't have to reduce their footprint? see, that's the piece that just doesn't fit your rage. Explain for us all.

I am bothered by that. I don't think this climat agreement was perfect and I'm fine with trying to renegotiate. Packing up and saying we are out was a careless approach and now sets the example for other countries to snub it as well. It's only gonna make the environmental concerns on a global scale get worse. Poor leadership IMO

 

[JakeStarkey]

To those of you who have no regard for international law.Trump withdraws, he ignores the ramifications, and does his thing.The next reasonable administration will admit fault and pay restitution and fees. What could go wrong?Morons.

No they won't moron..because the Senate will still be run by the Republicans..

It's an Agreement, which does not require Senate approval. Careful when you call names.

It's an Agreement, which does not require Senate approval.

It's an Agreement, which means Trump can withdraw unilaterally.

Correct, much to the dismay of the political illiterate. With his announcement we are out of it now. Despite the claims of some here. It is dead to the US.

Nah, not at all. You are again showing your ignorance on important matters.

 

[2aguy]

What diplomacy? He has every right to do what he did. Just because the Commie before him wanted other countries to tell us how to run ours, doesn't mean he has to agree with it because of DumBama. We don't owe anybody anything---get it?

I never claimed that he did anything illegal, of course he has the right to do it. I just think when you have a coalition of nations all coming together to work on environmental issues, it is very short sighted and borderline stupid to say, i'm gonna take my toys and go home... especially when we are supposed to be a world leader. It is petty and small. I'm fine with renegotiating the deal and working on ways to improve it, but just like the "repeal/replace" BS it seems like these partisans are more concerned with ruining Obamas legacy than working on actually common sense ways to make our world better in a unifying way.

Wait a minute. WTF do we need other countries to do what we want WITH OUR environment? What do we need their permission or blessing for? If we want to do something, we voters will decide; not France, not Italy, not Germany, not Poland. We decide what we wish to do with our country.

Trump elected to not work with other people to tell us what do do or how much to spend. That's up to us and nobody else. DumBama was a surrender-first liberal like most, but we Republicans don't believe in surrendering our country to anybody.

Incase you didn't get the memo, we share the environment with the whole world. If China pollutes we breath it... if emissions have an effect on the climate then we all are affected. Thats how our ecosystem works. Come on Ray, you can't be this dense, I know you know these things.

so why aren't you bothered that they don't have to reduce their footprint? see, that's the piece that just doesn't fit your rage. Explain for us all.

I am bothered by that. I don't think this climat agreement was perfect and I'm fine with trying to renegotiate. Packing up and saying we are out was a careless approach and now sets the example for other countries to snub it as well. It's only gonna make the environmental concerns on a global scale get worse. Poor leadership IMO

The other countries were already ignoring it.........they were just lining up to get billions of dollars from the United States....

Why is that so hard for you guys to understand.....

 

[JakeStarkey]

I never claimed that he did anything illegal, of course he has the right to do it. I just think when you have a coalition of nations all coming together to work on environmental issues, it is very short sighted and borderline stupid to say, i'm gonna take my toys and go home... especially when we are supposed to be a world leader. It is petty and small. I'm fine with renegotiating the deal and working on ways to improve it, but just like the "repeal/replace" BS it seems like these partisans are more concerned with ruining Obamas legacy than working on actually common sense ways to make our world better in a unifying way.

Wait a minute. WTF do we need other countries to do what we want WITH OUR environment? What do we need their permission or blessing for? If we want to do something, we voters will decide; not France, not Italy, not Germany, not Poland. We decide what we wish to do with our country.

Trump elected to not work with other people to tell us what do do or how much to spend. That's up to us and nobody else. DumBama was a surrender-first liberal like most, but we Republicans don't believe in surrendering our country to anybody.

Incase you didn't get the memo, we share the environment with the whole world. If China pollutes we breath it... if emissions have an effect on the climate then we all are affected. Thats how our ecosystem works. Come on Ray, you can't be this dense, I know you know these things.

In case you didn't get the memo, climate change is a con and a swindle. If you want to do something about pollution in China, then do it. Don't expect the USA to follow the climate change lemmings over the cliff.

I'm seeing all these politicians and analysts from the Right talking about the climate situation and I haven't hear one say it's a hoax. They all acknowledge what science has reported. Only wingnuts like you deny it.

Man made global warming is a hoax.........they say the climate changes...which it does.......science can't predict the local weather a few days out...and yet you want us to believe they can predict the climate 80 years from now....?

You hoax is not the game breaker you hoaxed . . . er, hoped.

 

[Slade3200]

I never claimed that he did anything illegal, of course he has the right to do it. I just think when you have a coalition of nations all coming together to work on environmental issues, it is very short sighted and borderline stupid to say, i'm gonna take my toys and go home... especially when we are supposed to be a world leader. It is petty and small. I'm fine with renegotiating the deal and working on ways to improve it, but just like the "repeal/replace" BS it seems like these partisans are more concerned with ruining Obamas legacy than working on actually common sense ways to make our world better in a unifying way.

Wait a minute. WTF do we need other countries to do what we want WITH OUR environment? What do we need their permission or blessing for? If we want to do something, we voters will decide; not France, not Italy, not Germany, not Poland. We decide what we wish to do with our country.

Trump elected to not work with other people to tell us what do do or how much to spend. That's up to us and nobody else. DumBama was a surrender-first liberal like most, but we Republicans don't believe in surrendering our country to anybody.

Incase you didn't get the memo, we share the environment with the whole world. If China pollutes we breath it... if emissions have an effect on the climate then we all are affected. Thats how our ecosystem works. Come on Ray, you can't be this dense, I know you know these things.

In case you didn't get the memo, climate change is a con and a swindle. If you want to do something about pollution in China, then do it. Don't expect the USA to follow the climate change lemmings over the cliff.

I'm seeing all these politicians and analysts from the Right talking about the climate situation and I haven't hear one say it's a hoax. They all acknowledge what science has reported. Only wingnuts like you deny it.

Man made global warming is a hoax.........they say the climate changes...which it does.......science can't predict the local weather a few days out...and yet you want us to believe they can predict the climate 80 years from now....?

The prediction models are not very accurate but there is concensus from the majority from the left and right that mans actions do have an effect. The severity of that effect is still being studied. I'd compare it to the cigarette/cancer situation

 

[Flash]

Since all these stupid Moon Bats are convinced that because Trump pulled out of the Paris Climate Agreement the earth is going to burn up then they should all go out and buy one of these:

View attachment 130201

Or maybe if they are convinced the ice caps are going to melt and they might drown maybe they should build one of these:

View attachment 130202

Are you saying that these are naturally created?

View attachment 130250

Those are local conditions......and they are as easily remedied as we remedied them in the 70s and 80s.....they don't take trillions of dollars of payments to the very countries who won't clean up their own cities.......taking the money from us to give to the countries polluting their own cities.......


We cleaned up our rivers and cities and it didn't take a global tax to do it...they can do the same.....the wealthier their countries become through innovation and growth, the more their people will expect a clean place to live...capitalism, not socialist wealth redistribution, will fix pollution...

The US cleaned up a tremendous amount of pollution back in the 1970s and 1980s. We cleaned up much more than the rest of the world combined. Nowadays we spend as much money for pollution abatement as the rest of the world combined. Even our CO2 emissions are in a decline.

We are doing good. Damn good. Why should we have to pay out even more money than we already have while the biggest polluter in the world doesn't have to pay out jack shit?

Obama was an idiot signing that stupid agreement. Trump did the right thing to take care of the American people first.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

To those of you who have no regard for international law.Trump withdraws, he ignores the ramifications, and does his thing.The next reasonable administration will admit fault and pay restitution and fees. What could go wrong?Morons.

No they won't moron..because the Senate will still be run by the Republicans..

It's an Agreement, which does not require Senate approval. Careful when you call names.

It's an Agreement, which does not require Senate approval.

It's an Agreement, which means Trump can withdraw unilaterally.

Correct, much to the dismay of the political illiterate. With his announcement we are out of it now. Despite the claims of some here. It is dead to the US.

Nah, not at all. You are again showing your ignorance on important matters.

Yes we are, we were never bound by it because it was never ratified by 2/3 of the Senate.

 

[Slade3200]

I never claimed that he did anything illegal, of course he has the right to do it. I just think when you have a coalition of nations all coming together to work on environmental issues, it is very short sighted and borderline stupid to say, i'm gonna take my toys and go home... especially when we are supposed to be a world leader. It is petty and small. I'm fine with renegotiating the deal and working on ways to improve it, but just like the "repeal/replace" BS it seems like these partisans are more concerned with ruining Obamas legacy than working on actually common sense ways to make our world better in a unifying way.

Wait a minute. WTF do we need other countries to do what we want WITH OUR environment? What do we need their permission or blessing for? If we want to do something, we voters will decide; not France, not Italy, not Germany, not Poland. We decide what we wish to do with our country.

Trump elected to not work with other people to tell us what do do or how much to spend. That's up to us and nobody else. DumBama was a surrender-first liberal like most, but we Republicans don't believe in surrendering our country to anybody.

Incase you didn't get the memo, we share the environment with the whole world. If China pollutes we breath it... if emissions have an effect on the climate then we all are affected. Thats how our ecosystem works. Come on Ray, you can't be this dense, I know you know these things.

so why aren't you bothered that they don't have to reduce their footprint? see, that's the piece that just doesn't fit your rage. Explain for us all.

I am bothered by that. I don't think this climat agreement was perfect and I'm fine with trying to renegotiate. Packing up and saying we are out was a careless approach and now sets the example for other countries to snub it as well. It's only gonna make the environmental concerns on a global scale get worse. Poor leadership IMO

The other countries were already ignoring it.........they were just lining up to get billions of dollars from the United States....

Why is that so hard for you guys to understand.....

Because it is a right wing talking point

 

[2aguy]

Wait a minute. WTF do we need other countries to do what we want WITH OUR environment? What do we need their permission or blessing for? If we want to do something, we voters will decide; not France, not Italy, not Germany, not Poland. We decide what we wish to do with our country.

Trump elected to not work with other people to tell us what do do or how much to spend. That's up to us and nobody else. DumBama was a surrender-first liberal like most, but we Republicans don't believe in surrendering our country to anybody.

Incase you didn't get the memo, we share the environment with the whole world. If China pollutes we breath it... if emissions have an effect on the climate then we all are affected. Thats how our ecosystem works. Come on Ray, you can't be this dense, I know you know these things.

In case you didn't get the memo, climate change is a con and a swindle. If you want to do something about pollution in China, then do it. Don't expect the USA to follow the climate change lemmings over the cliff.

I'm seeing all these politicians and analysts from the Right talking about the climate situation and I haven't hear one say it's a hoax. They all acknowledge what science has reported. Only wingnuts like you deny it.

Man made global warming is a hoax.........they say the climate changes...which it does.......science can't predict the local weather a few days out...and yet you want us to believe they can predict the climate 80 years from now....?

The prediction models are not very accurate but there is concensus from the majority from the left and right that mans actions do have an effect. The severity of that effect is still being studied. I'd compare it to the cigarette/cancer situation

No...not even close........this has been a money play from the beginning........

 

[2aguy]

Wait a minute. WTF do we need other countries to do what we want WITH OUR environment? What do we need their permission or blessing for? If we want to do something, we voters will decide; not France, not Italy, not Germany, not Poland. We decide what we wish to do with our country.

Trump elected to not work with other people to tell us what do do or how much to spend. That's up to us and nobody else. DumBama was a surrender-first liberal like most, but we Republicans don't believe in surrendering our country to anybody.

Incase you didn't get the memo, we share the environment with the whole world. If China pollutes we breath it... if emissions have an effect on the climate then we all are affected. Thats how our ecosystem works. Come on Ray, you can't be this dense, I know you know these things.

so why aren't you bothered that they don't have to reduce their footprint? see, that's the piece that just doesn't fit your rage. Explain for us all.

I am bothered by that. I don't think this climat agreement was perfect and I'm fine with trying to renegotiate. Packing up and saying we are out was a careless approach and now sets the example for other countries to snub it as well. It's only gonna make the environmental concerns on a global scale get worse. Poor leadership IMO

The other countries were already ignoring it.........they were just lining up to get billions of dollars from the United States....

Why is that so hard for you guys to understand.....

Because it is a right wing talking point

No..it is the truth....do you really believe that India and China as well as Russia were going to follow any of that crap....even after we paid them billions of dollars? If you do....I have some land down in Florida I want to sell....at a great price.......it is a bit marshy....but I think you will like it....