Trump pulling out of Paris Climate Accord

[jc456]

It's a non issue, really, all the corporations in America who were in favor of the Paris Climate Accord, to include Exxon Mobil, have pledged to remain committed to reducing their carbon footprint. The Mayor of Pittsburgh publicly declared his town's commitment to the accord ("I represent the citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris" he says in another lame attempt at populism in the face of his stunning lack of leadership), a clear rebuke of the moron who has decided to remove the U.S. from the world stage and align itself with one nation: Syria.

Yes, just when you thought it couldn't get any worse than Bush, we have an even bigger moron in the White House who has given in to the fringe in his cabinet and even Repukes in both the House and Senate are likely wondering aloud…….what does this look like? 195 other nations signing on to the Paris Climate Accord and the U.S. going it alone? The optics are awful, and they know this. Trump hasn't a clue.

Talk about a leadership vacuum. This is truly amazing to watch, a slow motion train wreck. It's time to sit back and just wait this one out. This clown is only going to get so many chances, and he has already used more in 4 months than most use in 4 years.

blah, blah, blay, blah. don't you all have any other play book? this one is tiresome.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Trump can't do a thing about it except negotiate.

The US cannot get out of it until the day after election in 2020.

It's a non-issue.

The US cannot get out of it until the day after election in 2020.

The US isn't in it, Trump can say we're out as of tomorrow and we're out.

It's a non-issue.

You got one right.

Yeah, we are in it until Nov 2020. You saying 'no' is meaningless.

Yeah, we are in it until Nov 2020.

We're in what?
A non-binding agreement that was never voted on?

We should call it the ruby slippers accord.

Just click your heels together, (and send billion$ to poor countries), and repeat after me,
there's no place like green, there's no place like green.......

You saying 'no' is meaningless.

Obama saying 'yes' was meaningless.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Trump sends a message to the world

While the rest of the world is willing to sacrifice for the good of the planet......America says...Fuck you, every man for himself!

The rest of the world can waste their money on "green energy".
We'll be busy growing our economy and erasing Obama's "legacy".

Drill baby, drill

Yup.
Open up ANWR.

 

[jc456]

Interesting monologue, first two minutes of video is all I watched. From Fox News. Explains with direct wording why this accord is a joke, and doesn't even achieve what it's intending to achieve:

Gutfeld: Why the Paris accord is a terrible idea

i hope we leave, it's the obama last grasp of attempting socialism.

195 nations signed the Paris Accord. The US, Nicaragua, and Syria are the only nations who aren't in the accord. It is not an Obama thing.

195 nations signed the Paris Accord.

Awesome!
They can harm their economies to reduce CO2 by 2 ppm by 2100.

funny, many of them needed US tax dollars to accomplish such a task. I haven't yet seen information on how that was to work exactly.

 

[JakeStarkey]

To those of you who have no regard for international law.Trump withdraws, he ignores the ramifications, and does his thing.The next reasonable administration will admit fault and pay restitution and fees. What could go wrong?Morons.

No they won't moron..because the Senate will still be run by the Republicans..

It's an Agreement, which does not require Senate approval. Careful when you call names.

 

[Wyatt earp]

That can be revised. No country HAS to pay out $100 billion. But if we want to jump on the new technology and get rich--sure, let's give the world $100 billion in energy technology. Good for them, good for us.

And Germany is leading the way.

"Germany's Energy Poverty
How Electricity Became a Luxury Good
Germany's agressive and reckless expansion of wind and solar power has come with a hefty pricetag for consumers, and the costs often fall disproportionately on the poor...."

High Costs and Errors of German Transition to Renewable Energy - SPIEGEL ONLINE

Really informative article, DOTR. I hope when the energy transfer in this country actually begins in earnest that we will take advantage of the learning experiences other countries have had. Even in the article, it mentions Sweden as having approached it in a less fractured and expensive way:
The experts propose changing the system to resemble a model long successful in Sweden. If implemented, it would eliminate the more than 4,000 different subsidies currently in place. Instead of bureaucrats setting green energy prices, they would be allowed to develop indepedently on a separate market. The report's authors believe the Swedish model would lead to faster and cheaper implementation of renewable energy, and that the system would also become what it is not today: socially just.

There's nothing fun or painless about switching from fossil fuels to wind and solar (and hydroelectric---why not?). It has burrowed into our infrastructure and economy like an invasive tumor. Or my poppies that keep miraculously reappearing after I have dug to China to remove the roots. I get that. People will lose jobs and then will get re-hired in the clean tech industries. It's disruptive, painful, probably expensive, at least for awhile, just like cancer. But it has to be done. I guess ignoring that for another four years isn't the end of the world, but we've got to face it someday.

The US is not into the damn building process anymore.. It messes with migration habbits of the gold fish swimming up stream



and hydroelectric---why not

 

[jc456]

Too bad. If other countries don't realize that we can do that with our electoral system, then they shouldn't be making deals with us in the first place. When we change leadership, we do so to change policies as well as the leadership. Trump did a great thing today, and I hope he continues doing greater things in the future. We'll run our country our way because that's why we vote in the first place.

That's a dangerous precedent you're setting. I don't wanna hear you bitching in 5 years when the New Democratic president rolls back on Trumps agreements. I'll still be voicing my opposition to it if they do so in the same way Trump is going about it. There is an art to diplomacy that Trump needs serious lessons in.

What diplomacy? He has every right to do what he did. Just because the Commie before him wanted other countries to tell us how to run ours, doesn't mean he has to agree with it because of DumBama. We don't owe anybody anything---get it?

I never claimed that he did anything illegal, of course he has the right to do it. I just think when you have a coalition of nations all coming together to work on environmental issues, it is very short sighted and borderline stupid to say, i'm gonna take my toys and go home... especially when we are supposed to be a world leader. It is petty and small. I'm fine with renegotiating the deal and working on ways to improve it, but just like the "repeal/replace" BS it seems like these partisans are more concerned with ruining Obamas legacy than working on actually common sense ways to make our world better in a unifying way.

Wait a minute. WTF do we need other countries to do what we want WITH OUR environment? What do we need their permission or blessing for? If we want to do something, we voters will decide; not France, not Italy, not Germany, not Poland. We decide what we wish to do with our country.

Trump elected to not work with other people to tell us what do do or how much to spend. That's up to us and nobody else. DumBama was a surrender-first liberal like most, but we Republicans don't believe in surrendering our country to anybody.

Incase you didn't get the memo, we share the environment with the whole world. If China pollutes we breath it... if emissions have an effect on the climate then we all are affected. Thats how our ecosystem works. Come on Ray, you can't be this dense, I know you know these things.

so why aren't you bothered that they don't have to reduce their footprint? see, that's the piece that just doesn't fit your rage. Explain for us all.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I am no idiot bud, I KNOW REAL history, and REAL science. That is why I KNOW the truth about the lying scum regalist thieves you idiots worship. HAHAHAHAHA it is funny to have an indoctrinated liberal with the IQ of an ant telling someone like me anything, You liberals complete lack of intellectual capability is always close to being as funny as a Richard Pryor concert.

No there is no telling you anything. You've drunk the right wing revisionist history and the Koch Bros. Climate change denial. By voting for Trump, you've proven you'll swallow any lie.

"swallow any lie" is the sworn oath of every Leftist moron....i.e., you.


"Later this week, we will be treated to the spectacle of “a statement backed by all 28 EU states, [in which] the European Union and China will commit to full implementation of the Paris Climate Agreement”—undoubtedly accompanied by lamentations that the United States has disrupted the charade by walking off stage.

How the world misses President Obama’s enthusiasm for a debating society that delivers no substantive action, or even a useful framework for assessing results, only a forum for bashing America.

Such nerve, our nation has, to excuse itself from that pastime."
We’ll Never Have Paris

 

[jc456]

To those of you who have no regard for international law.Trump withdraws, he ignores the ramifications, and does his thing.The next reasonable administration will admit fault and pay restitution and fees. What could go wrong?Morons.

No they won't moron..because the Senate will still be run by the Republicans..

It's an Agreement, which does not require Senate approval. Careful when you call names.

yes it is.

 

[Wyatt earp]

To those of you who have no regard for international law.Trump withdraws, he ignores the ramifications, and does his thing.The next reasonable administration will admit fault and pay restitution and fees. What could go wrong?Morons.

No they won't moron..because the Senate will still be run by the Republicans..

It's an Agreement, which does not require Senate approval. Careful when you call names.

Yes it does ... Once again Obama was not a dictator and Trump put him in his place.

.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

To those of you who have no regard for international law.

Trump withdraws, he ignores the ramifications, and does his thing.

The next reasonable administration will admit fault and pay restitution and fees. What could go wrong?

Morons.

Just as quickly as Trump withdrew from the Paris Accords, the next President will bring us back in

Yes, there will have to be an apology tour.....but that is common after having a Republican President

Just as quickly as Trump withdrew from the Paris Accords, the next President will bring us back in

Great. All they need is a 2/3rds vote in the Senate.
When did the Paris Accord get 2/3rds? Link?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

To those of you who have no regard for international law.Trump withdraws, he ignores the ramifications, and does his thing.The next reasonable administration will admit fault and pay restitution and fees. What could go wrong?Morons.

No they won't moron..because the Senate will still be run by the Republicans..

It's an Agreement, which does not require Senate approval. Careful when you call names.

It's an Agreement, which does not require Senate approval.

It's an Agreement, which means Trump can withdraw unilaterally.

 

[jc456]

To those of you who have no regard for international law.Trump withdraws, he ignores the ramifications, and does his thing.The next reasonable administration will admit fault and pay restitution and fees. What could go wrong?Morons.

No they won't moron..because the Senate will still be run by the Republicans..

It's an Agreement, which does not require Senate approval. Careful when you call names.

yes it is by constitution, fool.

 

[washamericom]

Seems that way but they are anonymous sources
Trump pulling U.S. out of Paris climate deal: Axios report

WASHINGTON U.S. President Donald Trump has decided to withdraw from the Paris climate accord, Axios news outlet reported on Wednesday, citing two unidentified sources with direct knowledge of the decision.

Trump who has previously called global warming a hoax, refused to endorse the landmark climate change accord at a summit of the G7 group of wealthy nations on Saturday, saying he needed more time to decide. He then tweeted that he would make an announcement this week.

Fox News also cited an unidentified source confirming the pullout.
The decision to withdraw from the climate accord was influenced by a letter from 22 Republican U.S. senators, including Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, calling for an exit, Axios reported.

Good!
Shit wasn't even voted on. Remember Earnests words in 2015?
I think it’s hard to take seriously from some Members of Congress who deny the fact that climate change exists, that they should have some opportunity to render judgment about a climate change agreement
One of the biggest loads of partisan bullshit I have ever heard. He should have been shunned for that
Oh well

Trump just tweeted: "I will be announcing my decision on the Paris Accord over the next few days. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!"

I think you mean make America last again. This was a 190 country climate accord. Washington & Bejing worked on it for years. Now we have joined the only 2 countries in the world that didn't sign onto it. Syria and Nicaragua.

Not only were world leaders were telling Trump to not exist this agreement but EXON/MOBILE and many other American companies told him not to do it. This is NOT a job creator--it's a job destroyer. China will now take the lead on green energy--and we will be put in last place.
Exxon and Conoco Reiterate Support for Paris Climate Deal
Energy Companies Urge Trump To Remain In Paris Climate Agreement
U.S. Business Leaders Want to Stay in the Paris Climate Accord

Our allies look at Trump like the drunken uncle you have to invite to the bar-b-q--who sits in the yard alone and every now and then comes out of his stupor to blurt out something outrageous. They will never respect him.

This is NOT a job creator--it's a job destroyer.

Exactly, the Paris accord would have added expenses and destroyed jobs in the US.
Thank goodness we're not bound to that idiocy.

China will now take the lead on green energy--and we will be put in last place.

Americans with money to waste can still invest in more expensive, less reliable "green energy".
You don't need a government mandate to do stupid things with your own money. Go for it!

see, china and germany leading the pack, the world is a better place already. it's nice having a President that puts America first.

 

[jc456]

That can be revised. No country HAS to pay out $100 billion. But if we want to jump on the new technology and get rich--sure, let's give the world $100 billion in energy technology. Good for them, good for us.

And Germany is leading the way.

"Germany's Energy Poverty
How Electricity Became a Luxury Good
Germany's agressive and reckless expansion of wind and solar power has come with a hefty pricetag for consumers, and the costs often fall disproportionately on the poor...."

High Costs and Errors of German Transition to Renewable Energy - SPIEGEL ONLINE

Really informative article, DOTR. I hope when the energy transfer in this country actually begins in earnest that we will take advantage of the learning experiences other countries have had. Even in the article, it mentions Sweden as having approached it in a less fractured and expensive way:
The experts propose changing the system to resemble a model long successful in Sweden. If implemented, it would eliminate the more than 4,000 different subsidies currently in place. Instead of bureaucrats setting green energy prices, they would be allowed to develop indepedently on a separate market. The report's authors believe the Swedish model would lead to faster and cheaper implementation of renewable energy, and that the system would also become what it is not today: socially just.

There's nothing fun or painless about switching from fossil fuels to wind and solar (and hydroelectric---why not?). It has burrowed into our infrastructure and economy like an invasive tumor. Or my poppies that keep miraculously reappearing after I have dug to China to remove the roots. I get that. People will lose jobs and then will get re-hired in the clean tech industries. It's disruptive, painful, probably expensive, at least for awhile, just like cancer. But it has to be done. I guess ignoring that for another four years isn't the end of the world, but we've got to face it someday.

The US is not into the damn building process anymore.. It messes with migration habbits of the gold fish swimming up stream



and hydroelectric---why not

da coach

 

[washamericom]

To those of you who have no regard for international law.Trump withdraws, he ignores the ramifications, and does his thing.The next reasonable administration will admit fault and pay restitution and fees. What could go wrong?Morons.

No they won't moron..because the Senate will still be run by the Republicans..

It's an Agreement, which does not require Senate approval. Careful when you call names.

It's an Agreement, which does not require Senate approval.

It's an Agreement, which means Trump can withdraw unilaterally.

i like the idea of passing it off to the senate.

 

[Billy_Bob]

At the moment, Syria and Nicaragua. That's the company in which Trump wants to put the U.S.

The rest of the world does not realize that climate change is just made up

They need to watch Fox News like Trump does

How much does man contribute compared to natural variations?

5% ?

25% ?

50%

75%

100%

I will wait....


.

Does it matter?

If the ozone layer is being impacted and we DO KNOW there is a manmade impact on climate change, why wouldn't we cut back on that part that we have control of?

The ozone hole is closing.

THE REDUCED Gama radiation from the now quiet sun has allowed the gas to build up again... The SUN is the primary controller of O-zone depletion...

 

[washamericom]

Interesting monologue, first two minutes of video is all I watched. From Fox News. Explains with direct wording why this accord is a joke, and doesn't even achieve what it's intending to achieve:

Gutfeld: Why the Paris accord is a terrible idea

i hope we leave, it's the obama last grasp of attempting socialism.

195 nations signed the Paris Accord. The US, Nicaragua, and Syria are the only nations who aren't in the accord. It is not an Obama thing.

195 nations signed the Paris Accord.

Awesome!
They can harm their economies to reduce CO2 by 2 ppm by 2100.

funny, many of them needed US tax dollars to accomplish such a task. I haven't yet seen information on how that was to work exactly.

maybe Merkel can get NATO or Greece to pay for it.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

So, what is the ecological impact of the US pulling out of the Paris accords?

Probably very little. We cant withdraw officially until 2020. By then, Trump will either be impeached or headed for an electoral defeat. The new President will quickly apologize for the idiot that is Donald Trump and bring us back into compliance

The major impact of Trumps impulsive decision is the loss of US influence around the globe. Where we were once looked at as the source of guidance and responsible leadership, we are now looked at as a childlike nation distracted by shiny objects. The power void created by the withdrawal of the US from sane leadership will be filled by the EU, Russia and China

Lmfao that's your new talking points from the demofag underground ..sorry we pulled out



.

Trump pulled out as Leader of the Free World

just the opposite, he reset the leadership problem. follow france, i don't think so.

Yes, he did reset it

The world no longer looks to the US for leadership. Looks like Merkel will fill the void

Putin could not be happier

Fine. Let Germany pay for that shit.

 

[washamericom]

At the moment, Syria and Nicaragua. That's the company in which Trump wants to put the U.S.

The rest of the world does not realize that climate change is just made up

They need to watch Fox News like Trump does

How much does man contribute compared to natural variations?

5% ?

25% ?

50%

75%

100%

I will wait....


.

Does it matter?

If the ozone layer is being impacted and we DO KNOW there is a manmade impact on climate change, why wouldn't we cut back on that part that we have control of?

The ozone hole is closing.

THE REDUCED Gama radiation from the now quiet sun has allowed the gas to build up again... The SUN is the primary controller of O-zone depletion...

the sun is the problem and the solution.