Trump pulling out of Paris Climate Accord

[Cellblock2429]

No lies, he just slapped the lying scum regalist green nazis in the face with some truth. Too bad you liberals are too stupid to know the truth when you hear it.

You are one of the idiots that claim trump is not a serial and pathological liar about anything, ever. All the fact checking sources have done fact checks of his speech. It is just a google click away.

/---- who fact checks the fact checkers?

 

[rightwinger]

Trump sends a message to the world

While the rest of the world is willing to sacrifice for the good of the planet......America says...Fuck you, every man for himself!

The rest of the world can waste their money on "green energy".
We'll be busy growing our economy and erasing Obama's "legacy".

Drill baby, drill

 

[Geaux4it]

I applaud his speech. Why let China get a free ride until 2030?

America first baby

-Geaux

and that's just it - people calling trump a liar do it 24x7 so what difference does it really make but under this agreement - we have standards we MUST MEET TODAY - china does not. to get there, we cannot build coal plants anymore.

china can, they have no goals to meet.

no lie here. just people quick to pinhole and look aside whatever it takes i suppose.

And if had not pulled out, MSM would have been saying.. 'See, Trump broke another campaign promise

Same shit different day

-Geaux

 

[Cellblock2429]

It's often hard to keep up with the lies of our serial liar President. Now he is attempting to bullshyt the whole world and possibly expects the whole world to accept his lying the way his USA supporters accept his lying. Which of his lies will regions of the globe focus on and how does it influence how the world views American leadership under the trump era?

well if he did so many, name one.

come on - lob out the lie and let's look it over and see if it is.

Read the two post. #7 and #8 that preceded your post #9. How much plainer could you ask for?

thank you - i did not get that far.

your post.
Trump said China would be allowed to build hundreds of coal-fired plants but that the USA would not be allowed. China has actually taken over 100 proposed coal-fired plants off the table. There is absolutely nothing in the agreement that that restricted or disallowed the building or production of coal-fired plants in the USA. So, the statement was misleading about China and an outright lie about the USA.
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could we open up those coal plants and *still* meet our obligations? or would doing so means we don't meet these obligations? so it is because we are kept by law from doing it, or by trying to stay within the agreement?

so - under this agreement we may be able to open coal plants as we wish, however, *we* are on tap then to meet targets well ahead of what china and india have to do. would this be true and if so, wouldn't this be why we *can't* build these plants?

and if china and india have already said we'll peak around 2030, that's 13 years they can do whatever they want w/o having to meet the targets we are in fact having to meet now - under this accord.

so while china *can* and hopefully *will* reduce their coal use, as of now there is no plan for them to do that which i have read about. granted, i'm just digging into all this but this is how i interpret what trump has said. and if so, then trump is correct.

china can build whatever they want for 13 years because they have no goals to meet for emissions reductions until 2030. we have goals to meet now, so opening up coal plants would keep us from meeting that, making us not able to open them up *and* meet our obligations set forth under this *agreement*

OF WHICH - no one has penalties so technically we could sign it, never give a dime to anyone, open up a thousand coal plants and continue on our merry way. so in all - stupid agreement without penalty or ways to make people follow it.

/----- only a libtard would take the word of a communist dictatorship

 

[JakeStarkey]

The US certainly can leave the Paris Accord but not easily as the far right believes.

Scientific American points out that "HOW QUICKLY COULD TRUMP EXIT? Could Trump Simply Withdraw U.S. from Paris Climate Agreement? The international law requirements are somewhat complicated. One of the reasons Obama helped usher the deal into force early this year is because that meant that any country that was a party to the agreement couldn’t leave until it completed a four-year withdrawal process. Michael Wara, an environmental law professor at the Stanford Law School, said Trump could use his office to issue an executive communication removing the United States from Paris, but even if he did that, the United States would still be a party for four years and could be subject to its legally binding procedural commitments.

If the United States failed to meet its obligations, which are being negotiated starting now at the U.N. climate conference underway in Marrakech, Morocco, it would be breaking international law.

The United States could take a shortcut and exit the UNFCCC, a move that could be likely, given Trump’s criticisms of the U.N. body. That could be done in one year rather than four, and would result in leaving Paris, as well. Or Trump’s administration could send observers to monitor negotiations but not participate in them and refuse to carry through on Obama’s nationally determined contribution pledge to cut carbon dioxide emissions 26 to 28 percent compared with 2005 levels by 2025."

NPR has a good read at Trump Will Decide If U.S. Should Withdraw From Climate Accord.

 

[iceberg]

It's often hard to keep up with the lies of our serial liar President. Now he is attempting to bullshyt the whole world and possibly expects the whole world to accept his lying the way his USA supporters accept his lying. Which of his lies will regions of the globe focus on and how does it influence how the world views American leadership under the trump era?

well if he did so many, name one.

come on - lob out the lie and let's look it over and see if it is.

Read the two post. #7 and #8 that preceded your post #9. How much plainer could you ask for?

thank you - i did not get that far.

your post.
Trump said China would be allowed to build hundreds of coal-fired plants but that the USA would not be allowed. China has actually taken over 100 proposed coal-fired plants off the table. There is absolutely nothing in the agreement that that restricted or disallowed the building or production of coal-fired plants in the USA. So, the statement was misleading about China and an outright lie about the USA.
==========
could we open up those coal plants and *still* meet our obligations? or would doing so means we don't meet these obligations? so it is because we are kept by law from doing it, or by trying to stay within the agreement?

so - under this agreement we may be able to open coal plants as we wish, however, *we* are on tap then to meet targets well ahead of what china and india have to do. would this be true and if so, wouldn't this be why we *can't* build these plants?

and if china and india have already said we'll peak around 2030, that's 13 years they can do whatever they want w/o having to meet the targets we are in fact having to meet now - under this accord.

so while china *can* and hopefully *will* reduce their coal use, as of now there is no plan for them to do that which i have read about. granted, i'm just digging into all this but this is how i interpret what trump has said. and if so, then trump is correct.

china can build whatever they want for 13 years because they have no goals to meet for emissions reductions until 2030. we have goals to meet now, so opening up coal plants would keep us from meeting that, making us not able to open them up *and* meet our obligations set forth under this *agreement*

OF WHICH - no one has penalties so technically we could sign it, never give a dime to anyone, open up a thousand coal plants and continue on our merry way. so in all - stupid agreement without penalty or ways to make people follow it.

/----- only a libtard would take the word of a communist dictatorship

the enemy of my enemy type shit.

 

[iceberg]

No lies, he just slapped the lying scum regalist green nazis in the face with some truth. Too bad you liberals are too stupid to know the truth when you hear it.

You are one of the idiots that claim trump is not a serial and pathological liar about anything, ever. All the fact checking sources have done fact checks of his speech. It is just a google click away.

/---- who fact checks the fact checkers?

i just did. camp tossed out a "lie" and i said "no, it is not and here is why" and put it in context and suddenly, he poof'd like a cheesy poof in front of cartman too long.

 

[Iceweasel]

That's what's its all about ...God damn son

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Pollution is more than just CO2 emissions....

I bet you're vegan.

And I'll bet you are wrong. And before you go on about some bull shit about cow farts and the such... just because you can't totally cut out ALL pollution doesn't mean you don't try to curb ANY pollution. That's a logical fallacy that so many RWers are hung up on and just don't understand.

We are down to 1990s levels now. Pollution output has been going down. We did it via technology, not big government. We are on the right track and we don't need to fund global socialism. Sorry but you lost. America won.

Are you trying to claim that all pollution reductions in the last couple decades has been voluntary, unaffected by government requirements?

I didn't say all, that's what your pea brain understood because on/off is all it can handle. In some cases it has put business under so sure, that helps pollution too. However the technology is what makes cleaner production possible.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

That's what's its all about ...God damn son

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Pollution is more than just CO2 emissions....

I bet you're vegan.

And I'll bet you are wrong. And before you go on about some bull shit about cow farts and the such... just because you can't totally cut out ALL pollution doesn't mean you don't try to curb ANY pollution. That's a logical fallacy that so many RWers are hung up on and just don't understand.

We are down to 1990s levels now. Pollution output has been going down. We did it via technology, not big government. We are on the right track and we don't need to fund global socialism. Sorry but you lost. America won.

Are you trying to claim that all pollution reductions in the last couple decades has been voluntary, unaffected by government requirements?

Fracking reduced pollution levels greatly.


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[Ray From Cleveland]

Trump can't do a thing about it except negotiate.

The US cannot get out of it until the day after election in 2020.

It's a non-issue.

The US cannot get out of it until the day after election in 2020.

The US isn't in it, Trump can say we're out as of tomorrow and we're out.

It's a non-issue.

You got one right.

Yeah, we are in it until Nov 2020. You saying 'no' is meaningless.

So we don't follow it at all. Who's going to do anything about it?


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[Wyatt earp]

Trump can't do a thing about it except negotiate.

The US cannot get out of it until the day after election in 2020.

It's a non-issue.

The US cannot get out of it until the day after election in 2020.

The US isn't in it, Trump can say we're out as of tomorrow and we're out.

It's a non-issue.

You got one right.

Yeah, we are in it until Nov 2020. You saying 'no' is meaningless.

Lmfao you live in a strange world

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[TNHarley]

Happy Friday you environment hating wackos

 

[rightwinger]

So, what is the ecological impact of the US pulling out of the Paris accords?

Probably very little. We cant withdraw officially until 2020. By then, Trump will either be impeached or headed for an electoral defeat. The new President will quickly apologize for the idiot that is Donald Trump and bring us back into compliance

The major impact of Trumps impulsive decision is the loss of US influence around the globe. Where we were once looked at as the source of guidance and responsible leadership, we are now looked at as a childlike nation distracted by shiny objects. The power void created by the withdrawal of the US from sane leadership will be filled by the EU, Russia and China




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[debbiedowner]

What Trump’s decision to pull out of the Paris Agreement means for your wallet

Economic Damage From Paris Withdrawal May Emerge in Trade Wars

 

[Iceweasel]

What Trump’s decision to pull out of the Paris Agreement means for your wallet

Economic Damage From Paris Withdrawal May Emerge in Trade Wars

Do you have a credible source?

 

[JakeStarkey]

To those of you who have no regard for international law.

Trump withdraws, he ignores the ramifications, and does his thing.

The next reasonable administration will admit fault and pay restitution and fees. What could go wrong?

Morons.

 

[Wyatt earp]

So, what is the ecological impact of the US pulling out of the Paris accords?

Probably very little. We cant withdraw officially until 2020. By then, Trump will either be impeached or headed for an electoral defeat. The new President will quickly apologize for the idiot that is Donald Trump and bring us back into compliance

The major impact of Trumps impulsive decision is the loss of US influence around the globe. Where we were once looked at as the source of guidance and responsible leadership, we are now looked at as a childlike nation distracted by shiny objects. The power void created by the withdrawal of the US from sane leadership will be filled by the EU, Russia and China

Lmfao that's your new talking points from the demofag underground ..sorry we pulled out



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[PoliticalChic]

No lies, he just slapped the lying scum regalist green nazis in the face with some truth. Too bad you liberals are too stupid to know the truth when you hear it.

You are one of the idiots that claim trump is not a serial and pathological liar about anything, ever. All the fact checking sources have done fact checks of his speech. It is just a google click away.

/---- who fact checks the fact checkers?

Excellent point.

Every one of 'em is a Liberal outlet.

Fact-Check: a political fact-checking website created by the St. Petersburg Times, which endorsed Obama in '08.

'In 2003, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette described the St. Petersburg Times as a "usually liberal" newspaper.'Tampa Bay Times - Wikipedia



"PolitiFact’s liberal bias, yet again (Arizona law; Climategate)

By: barrypopik (Diary) | May 13th at 04:43 AM | 0


PolitiFact this week judged statements about the Arizona immigration law and Climategate. Guess what side these fact-checkers chose? If you guessed “Progressive/Democrat,” you’re a winner!

PolitiFact's liberal bias, yet again (Arizona law; Climategate)


'PolitiFact is not that honest fact-checker. And these aren’t isolated cases. Once widely regarded as a unique, rigorous and reasonably independent investigator of political claims, PolitiFact now declares conservatives wrong three times more often than liberals. More pointedly, the journalism organization concludes that conservatives have flat out lied nine times more often than liberals.'

PolitiFact bias: Does the GOP tell nine times more lies than left? Really? - Conservative News

 

[Wyatt earp]

To those of you who have no regard for international law.

Trump withdraws, he ignores the ramifications, and does his thing.

The next reasonable administration will admit fault and pay restitution and fees. What could go wrong?

Morons.

No they won't moron..because the Senate will still be run by the Republicans.


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[rightwinger]

To those of you who have no regard for international law.

Trump withdraws, he ignores the ramifications, and does his thing.

The next reasonable administration will admit fault and pay restitution and fees. What could go wrong?

Morons.

Just as quickly as Trump withdrew from the Paris Accords, the next President will bring us back in

Yes, there will have to be an apology tour.....but that is common after having a Republican President