Trump pulling out of Paris Climate Accord

[rightwinger]

So, what is the ecological impact of the US pulling out of the Paris accords?

Probably very little. We cant withdraw officially until 2020. By then, Trump will either be impeached or headed for an electoral defeat. The new President will quickly apologize for the idiot that is Donald Trump and bring us back into compliance

The major impact of Trumps impulsive decision is the loss of US influence around the globe. Where we were once looked at as the source of guidance and responsible leadership, we are now looked at as a childlike nation distracted by shiny objects. The power void created by the withdrawal of the US from sane leadership will be filled by the EU, Russia and China

Lmfao that's your new talking points from the demofag underground ..sorry we pulled out



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Trump pulled out as Leader of the Free World

 

[Darkwind]

It's often hard to keep up with the lies of our serial liar President. Now he is attempting to bullshyt the whole world and possibly expects the whole world to accept his lying the way his USA supporters accept his lying. Which of his lies will regions of the globe focus on and how does it influence how the world views American leadership under the trump era?

well if he did so many, name one.

come on - lob out the lie and let's look it over and see if it is.

Read the two post. #7 and #8 that preceded your post #9. How much plainer could you ask for?

thank you - i did not get that far.

your post.
Trump said China would be allowed to build hundreds of coal-fired plants but that the USA would not be allowed. China has actually taken over 100 proposed coal-fired plants off the table. There is absolutely nothing in the agreement that that restricted or disallowed the building or production of coal-fired plants in the USA. So, the statement was misleading about China and an outright lie about the USA.
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could we open up those coal plants and *still* meet our obligations? or would doing so means we don't meet these obligations? so it is because we are kept by law from doing it, or by trying to stay within the agreement?

so - under this agreement we may be able to open coal plants as we wish, however, *we* are on tap then to meet targets well ahead of what china and india have to do. would this be true and if so, wouldn't this be why we *can't* build these plants?

and if china and india have already said we'll peak around 2030, that's 13 years they can do whatever they want w/o having to meet the targets we are in fact having to meet now - under this accord.

so while china *can* and hopefully *will* reduce their coal use, as of now there is no plan for them to do that which i have read about. granted, i'm just digging into all this but this is how i interpret what trump has said. and if so, then trump is correct.

china can build whatever they want for 13 years because they have no goals to meet for emissions reductions until 2030. we have goals to meet now, so opening up coal plants would keep us from meeting that, making us not able to open them up *and* meet our obligations set forth under this *agreement*

OF WHICH - no one has penalties so technically we could sign it, never give a dime to anyone, open up a thousand coal plants and continue on our merry way. so in all - stupid agreement without penalty or ways to make people follow it.

Not only China but India as well. These are the two worst offenders.

 

[Wyatt earp]

So, what is the ecological impact of the US pulling out of the Paris accords?

Probably very little. We cant withdraw officially until 2020. By then, Trump will either be impeached or headed for an electoral defeat. The new President will quickly apologize for the idiot that is Donald Trump and bring us back into compliance

The major impact of Trumps impulsive decision is the loss of US influence around the globe. Where we were once looked at as the source of guidance and responsible leadership, we are now looked at as a childlike nation distracted by shiny objects. The power void created by the withdrawal of the US from sane leadership will be filled by the EU, Russia and China

Lmfao that's your new talking points from the demofag underground ..sorry we pulled out



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Trump pulled out as Leader of the Free World

No Trump saved us alot of money by switching over to Judith Curry and company real science.

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[iceberg]

It's often hard to keep up with the lies of our serial liar President. Now he is attempting to bullshyt the whole world and possibly expects the whole world to accept his lying the way his USA supporters accept his lying. Which of his lies will regions of the globe focus on and how does it influence how the world views American leadership under the trump era?

well if he did so many, name one.

come on - lob out the lie and let's look it over and see if it is.

Read the two post. #7 and #8 that preceded your post #9. How much plainer could you ask for?

thank you - i did not get that far.

your post.
Trump said China would be allowed to build hundreds of coal-fired plants but that the USA would not be allowed. China has actually taken over 100 proposed coal-fired plants off the table. There is absolutely nothing in the agreement that that restricted or disallowed the building or production of coal-fired plants in the USA. So, the statement was misleading about China and an outright lie about the USA.
==========
could we open up those coal plants and *still* meet our obligations? or would doing so means we don't meet these obligations? so it is because we are kept by law from doing it, or by trying to stay within the agreement?

so - under this agreement we may be able to open coal plants as we wish, however, *we* are on tap then to meet targets well ahead of what china and india have to do. would this be true and if so, wouldn't this be why we *can't* build these plants?

and if china and india have already said we'll peak around 2030, that's 13 years they can do whatever they want w/o having to meet the targets we are in fact having to meet now - under this accord.

so while china *can* and hopefully *will* reduce their coal use, as of now there is no plan for them to do that which i have read about. granted, i'm just digging into all this but this is how i interpret what trump has said. and if so, then trump is correct.

china can build whatever they want for 13 years because they have no goals to meet for emissions reductions until 2030. we have goals to meet now, so opening up coal plants would keep us from meeting that, making us not able to open them up *and* meet our obligations set forth under this *agreement*

OF WHICH - no one has penalties so technically we could sign it, never give a dime to anyone, open up a thousand coal plants and continue on our merry way. so in all - stupid agreement without penalty or ways to make people follow it.

Not only China but India as well. These are the two worst offenders.

yep.

but those who hate trump rag on him for pulling out and if he didn't they'd go HA HA BROKEN PROMISE.

but the fact remains this was a money grab and redistribution of wealth. NOTHING was binding when it came to the climate.

 

[washamericom]

Interesting monologue, first two minutes of video is all I watched. From Fox News. Explains with direct wording why this accord is a joke, and doesn't even achieve what it's intending to achieve:

Gutfeld: Why the Paris accord is a terrible idea

i hope we leave, it's the obama last grasp of attempting socialism.

195 nations signed the Paris Accord. The US, Nicaragua, and Syria are the only nations who aren't in the accord. It is not an Obama thing.

that's silly, it's one of his pet projects cause celebre.
although from behind, obama pointed the way toward socialism, spectacularly failed. and the media got caught in the sausage grinder.

 

[washamericom]

So, what is the ecological impact of the US pulling out of the Paris accords?

Probably very little. We cant withdraw officially until 2020. By then, Trump will either be impeached or headed for an electoral defeat. The new President will quickly apologize for the idiot that is Donald Trump and bring us back into compliance

The major impact of Trumps impulsive decision is the loss of US influence around the globe. Where we were once looked at as the source of guidance and responsible leadership, we are now looked at as a childlike nation distracted by shiny objects. The power void created by the withdrawal of the US from sane leadership will be filled by the EU, Russia and China

Lmfao that's your new talking points from the demofag underground ..sorry we pulled out



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Trump pulled out as Leader of the Free World

just the opposite, he reset the leadership problem. follow france, i don't think so.

 

[washamericom]

How is doing something about global warming socialism? You fucking idiots don't even know what the fuck you're talking about...What a bunch of raving idiots.

So show me where this trillion dollars a year in taxes and fees was going to be spent to reduce the temperature.3 degrees over the next 100 years.

it's a war on CO2, which ironically is a building block of life. that's a tough sell these days.

 

[washamericom]

I just watched Trumps speech.....incoherent childish like arguments, this guy is a dictator like. Defies science, ridicule the press , the FBI, the judges, brags every moment he has to speak, majority of ameRicans didn't vote for him and he still thinks he is the chosen one.
He's already down as the worst president.

he is by definition "the chosen one". maybe try a leading from in front approach next election.

i'm sure your "already down as" comes from the same source as the russian spy stories coming from the left.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Naw, done in your name. Your Pres. Your govt.

Now, undone in your name. Your Pres. Your govt.

Simple.

Not mine...never was, never will be....

Your president....your government. In your name.

 

[Dragonlady]

I am no idiot bud, I KNOW REAL history, and REAL science. That is why I KNOW the truth about the lying scum regalist thieves you idiots worship. HAHAHAHAHA it is funny to have an indoctrinated liberal with the IQ of an ant telling someone like me anything, You liberals complete lack of intellectual capability is always close to being as funny as a Richard Pryor concert.

No there is no telling you anything. You've drunk the right wing revisionist history and the Koch Bros. Climate change denial. By voting for Trump, you've proven you'll swallow any lie.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Seems that way but they are anonymous sources
Trump pulling U.S. out of Paris climate deal: Axios report

WASHINGTON U.S. President Donald Trump has decided to withdraw from the Paris climate accord, Axios news outlet reported on Wednesday, citing two unidentified sources with direct knowledge of the decision.

Trump who has previously called global warming a hoax, refused to endorse the landmark climate change accord at a summit of the G7 group of wealthy nations on Saturday, saying he needed more time to decide. He then tweeted that he would make an announcement this week.

Fox News also cited an unidentified source confirming the pullout.
The decision to withdraw from the climate accord was influenced by a letter from 22 Republican U.S. senators, including Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, calling for an exit, Axios reported.

Good!
Shit wasn't even voted on. Remember Earnests words in 2015?
I think it’s hard to take seriously from some Members of Congress who deny the fact that climate change exists, that they should have some opportunity to render judgment about a climate change agreement
One of the biggest loads of partisan bullshit I have ever heard. He should have been shunned for that
Oh well

Trump just tweeted: "I will be announcing my decision on the Paris Accord over the next few days. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!"

I think you mean make America last again. This was a 190 country climate accord. Washington & Bejing worked on it for years. Now we have joined the only 2 countries in the world that didn't sign onto it. Syria and Nicaragua.

Not only were world leaders were telling Trump to not exist this agreement but EXON/MOBILE and many other American companies told him not to do it. This is NOT a job creator--it's a job destroyer. China will now take the lead on green energy--and we will be put in last place.
Exxon and Conoco Reiterate Support for Paris Climate Deal
Energy Companies Urge Trump To Remain In Paris Climate Agreement
U.S. Business Leaders Want to Stay in the Paris Climate Accord

Our allies look at Trump like the drunken uncle you have to invite to the bar-b-q--who sits in the yard alone and every now and then comes out of his stupor to blurt out something outrageous. They will never respect him.

This is NOT a job creator--it's a job destroyer.

Exactly, the Paris accord would have added expenses and destroyed jobs in the US.
Thank goodness we're not bound to that idiocy.

China will now take the lead on green energy--and we will be put in last place.

Americans with money to waste can still invest in more expensive, less reliable "green energy".
You don't need a government mandate to do stupid things with your own money. Go for it!

 

[rightwinger]

So, what is the ecological impact of the US pulling out of the Paris accords?

Probably very little. We cant withdraw officially until 2020. By then, Trump will either be impeached or headed for an electoral defeat. The new President will quickly apologize for the idiot that is Donald Trump and bring us back into compliance

The major impact of Trumps impulsive decision is the loss of US influence around the globe. Where we were once looked at as the source of guidance and responsible leadership, we are now looked at as a childlike nation distracted by shiny objects. The power void created by the withdrawal of the US from sane leadership will be filled by the EU, Russia and China

Lmfao that's your new talking points from the demofag underground ..sorry we pulled out



.

Trump pulled out as Leader of the Free World

just the opposite, he reset the leadership problem. follow france, i don't think so.

Yes, he did reset it

The world no longer looks to the US for leadership. Looks like Merkel will fill the void

Putin could not be happier

 

[Cellblock2429]

I am no idiot bud, I KNOW REAL history, and REAL science. That is why I KNOW the truth about the lying scum regalist thieves you idiots worship. HAHAHAHAHA it is funny to have an indoctrinated liberal with the IQ of an ant telling someone like me anything, You liberals complete lack of intellectual capability is always close to being as funny as a Richard Pryor concert.

No there is no telling you anything. You've drunk the right wing revisionist history and the Koch Bros. Climate change denial. By voting for Trump, you've proven you'll swallow any lie.

/---- the climate has been changing since the day the earth was formed and will continue to do so no matter how much Libs want to raise our taxes...

 

[washamericom]

So, what is the ecological impact of the US pulling out of the Paris accords?

Probably very little. We cant withdraw officially until 2020. By then, Trump will either be impeached or headed for an electoral defeat. The new President will quickly apologize for the idiot that is Donald Trump and bring us back into compliance

The major impact of Trumps impulsive decision is the loss of US influence around the globe. Where we were once looked at as the source of guidance and responsible leadership, we are now looked at as a childlike nation distracted by shiny objects. The power void created by the withdrawal of the US from sane leadership will be filled by the EU, Russia and China

Lmfao that's your new talking points from the demofag underground ..sorry we pulled out



.

Trump pulled out as Leader of the Free World

just the opposite, he reset the leadership problem. follow france, i don't think so.

Yes, he did reset it

The world no longer looks to the US for leadership. Looks like Merkel will fill the void

Putin could not be happier

she can pin her experience to that hard hitting, binding, enforceable paris accord.
if people want her to lead global warming, they can follow her, maybe al gore too.

 

[washamericom]

Seems that way but they are anonymous sources
Trump pulling U.S. out of Paris climate deal: Axios report

WASHINGTON U.S. President Donald Trump has decided to withdraw from the Paris climate accord, Axios news outlet reported on Wednesday, citing two unidentified sources with direct knowledge of the decision.

Trump who has previously called global warming a hoax, refused to endorse the landmark climate change accord at a summit of the G7 group of wealthy nations on Saturday, saying he needed more time to decide. He then tweeted that he would make an announcement this week.

Fox News also cited an unidentified source confirming the pullout.
The decision to withdraw from the climate accord was influenced by a letter from 22 Republican U.S. senators, including Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, calling for an exit, Axios reported.

Good!
Shit wasn't even voted on. Remember Earnests words in 2015?
I think it’s hard to take seriously from some Members of Congress who deny the fact that climate change exists, that they should have some opportunity to render judgment about a climate change agreement
One of the biggest loads of partisan bullshit I have ever heard. He should have been shunned for that
Oh well

Trump just tweeted: "I will be announcing my decision on the Paris Accord over the next few days. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!"

I think you mean make America last again. This was a 190 country climate accord. Washington & Bejing worked on it for years. Now we have joined the only 2 countries in the world that didn't sign onto it. Syria and Nicaragua.

Not only were world leaders were telling Trump to not exist this agreement but EXON/MOBILE and many other American companies told him not to do it. This is NOT a job creator--it's a job destroyer. China will now take the lead on green energy--and we will be put in last place.
Exxon and Conoco Reiterate Support for Paris Climate Deal
Energy Companies Urge Trump To Remain In Paris Climate Agreement
U.S. Business Leaders Want to Stay in the Paris Climate Accord

Our allies look at Trump like the drunken uncle you have to invite to the bar-b-q--who sits in the yard alone and every now and then comes out of his stupor to blurt out something outrageous. They will never respect him.

This is NOT a job creator--it's a job destroyer.

Exactly, the Paris accord would have added expenses and destroyed jobs in the US.
Thank goodness we're not bound to that idiocy.

China will now take the lead on green energy--and we will be put in last place.

Americans with money to waste can still invest in more expensive, less reliable "green energy".
You don't need a government mandate to do stupid things with your own money. Go for it!

i would go so far as to say it was designed to hurt the U.S., which goes along with the obama agenda.

 

[Wyatt earp]

So, what is the ecological impact of the US pulling out of the Paris accords?

Probably very little. We cant withdraw officially until 2020. By then, Trump will either be impeached or headed for an electoral defeat. The new President will quickly apologize for the idiot that is Donald Trump and bring us back into compliance

The major impact of Trumps impulsive decision is the loss of US influence around the globe. Where we were once looked at as the source of guidance and responsible leadership, we are now looked at as a childlike nation distracted by shiny objects. The power void created by the withdrawal of the US from sane leadership will be filled by the EU, Russia and China

Lmfao that's your new talking points from the demofag underground ..sorry we pulled out



.

Trump pulled out as Leader of the Free World

just the opposite, he reset the leadership problem. follow france, i don't think so.

Yes, he did reset it

The world no longer looks to the US for leadership. Looks like Merkel will fill the void

Putin could not be happier

Ahhh poor baby the world couldn't steal the US money for their asinine Ponzi scheme.

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[Toddsterpatriot]

The world(all 195 nations) should Tariff the shit out of economy for this.

America is a enemy of the world.

Harming the world economy is a great way to reduce CO2 emissions. DERP!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

That's what's its all about ...God damn son

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Pollution is more than just CO2 emissions....

I bet you're vegan.

And I'll bet you are wrong. And before you go on about some bull shit about cow farts and the such... just because you can't totally cut out ALL pollution doesn't mean you don't try to curb ANY pollution. That's a logical fallacy that so many RWers are hung up on and just don't understand.

But YOU understand everything.

If you scale all the greenhouse gases to olympic size swimming pool, do you know how much of that would be man made?

Eight teaspoons.

Do you really think that cutting it to seven would change anything?

You sure fart too much for a vegan.

Yep the world is going to burn! Everyone grab a torch and light everything up that you can... because it's all going to burn anyway and we can't stop it!

Fucking retards.

You have to shiver in the cold and dark......because that'll reduce temps in 2080 by 0.1 degrees.

Promise!

 

[OldLady]

That can be revised. No country HAS to pay out $100 billion. But if we want to jump on the new technology and get rich--sure, let's give the world $100 billion in energy technology. Good for them, good for us.

And Germany is leading the way.

"Germany's Energy Poverty
How Electricity Became a Luxury Good
Germany's agressive and reckless expansion of wind and solar power has come with a hefty pricetag for consumers, and the costs often fall disproportionately on the poor...."

High Costs and Errors of German Transition to Renewable Energy - SPIEGEL ONLINE

Really informative article, DOTR. I hope when the energy transfer in this country actually begins in earnest that we will take advantage of the learning experiences other countries have had. Even in the article, it mentions Sweden as having approached it in a less fractured and expensive way:
The experts propose changing the system to resemble a model long successful in Sweden. If implemented, it would eliminate the more than 4,000 different subsidies currently in place. Instead of bureaucrats setting green energy prices, they would be allowed to develop indepedently on a separate market. The report's authors believe the Swedish model would lead to faster and cheaper implementation of renewable energy, and that the system would also become what it is not today: socially just.

There's nothing fun or painless about switching from fossil fuels to wind and solar (and hydroelectric---why not?). It has burrowed into our infrastructure and economy like an invasive tumor. Or my poppies that keep miraculously reappearing after I have dug to China to remove the roots. I get that. People will lose jobs and then will get re-hired in the clean tech industries. It's disruptive, painful, probably expensive, at least for awhile, just like cancer. But it has to be done. I guess ignoring that for another four years isn't the end of the world, but we've got to face it someday.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Interesting monologue, first two minutes of video is all I watched. From Fox News. Explains with direct wording why this accord is a joke, and doesn't even achieve what it's intending to achieve:

Gutfeld: Why the Paris accord is a terrible idea

i hope we leave, it's the obama last grasp of attempting socialism.

195 nations signed the Paris Accord. The US, Nicaragua, and Syria are the only nations who aren't in the accord. It is not an Obama thing.

195 nations signed the Paris Accord.

Awesome!
They can harm their economies to reduce CO2 by 2 ppm by 2100.