Trump pulling out of Paris Climate Accord

[charwin95]

I agree with that. We need to move closer to bipartisan collaboration rather than authoritarian control by one person or party

Yeah, starting when, in January?

Starting as soon as we can find a leader that inspires this type of attitude. All we have now are a bunch of partisan schmucks hogging the mic followed by their brainless puppets singing their praises.

We do? And what did we have under DumBama? Can you name me one negative thing he took responsibility for? How many times has he reached out to Republicans?

We on the right (that elected Donald Trump for President) don't believe in man made global warming. That's it. And because we don't believe in it, we don't expect our leader to abide to what DumBama believed.

Obama is the name not DumBama.
Yes he took most or all responsibilities in last 8 years.
Yes he reached out to the Republicans for 8 years. But the Republicans tried very hard to destroy him right on his first day in the Oval Office till his last day in the office. That's a fact.

On the other hand Trump lied ALL the time and never took any kind of responsibility. That's a fact.

Are you saying that the rest of the world are dumb because Trump said so?
Are you saying that whole America are liberals including Ivanka and Tillerson?
Are you saying that all the CEOs and businesses that blasted dumb Trump are liberals?

Now answer my questions.

So El Dumpster lied when he said he would renegotiate it. Certainly if Climate Change is a hoax, why would he do it?

No one has said that climate change is a hoax. Our climate has been changing for at least 6 billion years. If you're patient, you can find sea shells on the rim of the Grand Canyon. Now THAT'S climate change.

IF the agreement can be renegotiated so that it includes ALL nations, and there is no requirement for the world environmental whatever to pay India $2 TRILLION before they are required to comply with any restrictions. In other words, it is not simply a transfer of wealth scheme, and it is put before congress to be ratified, I see no problem.

Trump called climate change is a hoax.
Are you saying that Trump lied again?

Climate change is not negotiable----- They already told that to Trump because there is no planet earth B.

Ivanka and Tillerson mean nothing at this time , Trump made his decision and punked the 'euros' , the world and YOU guys Charwin.

Yes it does.
Because even his daughter and inner circle disagree with this dude. It's not only the euros it's the whole world blasting us because of this dude. Even in Asia.

DO you enjoy running in circles with sharp objects? I answered your silly ass questions with facts, which you promptly ignored like the good little sheep you are.. Doing what you are told and spouting the lines your instructed too....

I am trying very hard not to call any names but since you started.
Where the fuck was your rebuttal? Maybe I missed it. Instead of giving me your bull shit why don't you direct me to your post. Like see post #? Dumb fuck.

 

[charwin95]

Every foreign leader attacking Pres Trump over Paris -further proves the deal was one sided and better for foreigners than US

No.....it proves the rest of the countries are willing to sacrifice for the good of the planet and the U.S. Only cares about itself

It does? Then why are we spending 42 billion in foreign aid this year that we don't have? What other country does this besides the US?

Today, the U.S. manages foreign assistance programs in more than 100 countries around the world through the efforts of over 20 different U.S. government agencies. These investments further America's foreign policy interests on issues ranging from expanding free markets, combating extremism, ensuring stable democracies, and addressing the root causes of poverty, while simultaneously fostering global good will.

ForeignAssistance.gov

These aid has nothing to do with the Climate Change.

it wasn't why I posted it. Follow the conversation and perhaps you'll see why I did.

Stay with the topic if you don't mind.

 

[Wyatt earp]

This is the huge fight in America, between the elite city folks against the country folks. Buy yet when you retire. Your plans are to move to the country..

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[Billy_Bob]

We are missing out on being respected by the rest of the world

The global warming douche bags claim we would benefit economically from the treaty. Which is it? Do we benefit or not?

It's not a treaty. Yes we benefit from the climate accord. Look around the progress we have accomplished in last 5 years.

Yep, and I know all about some of those accomplishments.

One of them was forcing diesel fuel companies to have lower sulfur in the fuel. Since that time, diesel fuel became more expensive than gasoline whereas before, diesel was around a dollar a gallon less.

Yes, it closed down some trucking operations and private haulers, but government didn't stop there.

My employer started to price new tractors to replace our old equipment a few years back. Tractors were around 10K more per unit than three years earlier. All that pollutions shit they force truck manufacturers to install in the truck was the main reason. Now, over 80% of the time something is wrong with the truck, it has to do with some pollution gadget going haywire. Our trucks are in the shop nearly every month now, and truck garages charge $80.00 per hour plus parts. Our mechanic told me that they don't have one computer anymore, they have three that have to work in sync with each other, and computers don't always perform well in single digit weather.

What's more? Diesel Emission Fluid, or DEF for short. Yes, now we have to fill up with DEF which is a separate reservoir. DEF is pollution shit that squirts into the exhaust pipe supposedly to make the fumes less harmful to the environment. If you run out of DEF, you screw up your engine.

We have to pass all these costs to our customers, and our customers pass on those costs to us--the US consumer. It also may be the breaking point of a company leaving the US because manufacturing being too expensive in this country.

But hell, it's worth it, isn't it? I mean after all, now all the environmentalists are happy and stopped complaining and making more demands.............Oh wait!!!!!!

That is incorrect. Your example is way off.
This accord started somewhere in the late 90s this did not even take effect till 2014.
Cutting the emissions from diesels engines is a major accomplishments because they omit a lot of dangerous gas that causes smog and to human health all over the US and the world.
Have you traveled to Riverside county where the concentration of heavy smog in California coming from the west counties?
We use to have lots of cars that used diesels now they are almost gone. Which is excellent.
I was in Asia early 2016 and I saw the difference of how other countries are complying with h the climate change and that includes China.

Diesels are way cleaner now you don't even know who has one into it starts up.

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Here in Wyoming they have removed all the smog components to diesel vehicles as long as you "tune" the vehicle fuel systems to maintain less than 50pph particulates. Its amazing how it increases fuel efficiency and mileage when you remove all the screens and restrictions.. Its funny as hell to go by a California smog detector and not set it off without all the crap that costs thousands of dollars on the vehicle.. Your vehicle doesn't need about 90% of the crap they force you to buy..

Just one more scam... Funnier still is those Def units make the soot burn to white ash, which goes higher in the atmosphere, stays there longer, blocks (reflects) incoming solar radiation and causes cooling...

 

[charwin95]

That is the way ecology works

It is cheaper to dump your shit into the rivers and air. You just don't do it because it is damaging in the long run

Then why are all the douche bags who support the treaty acting like we're missing out on something by rejecting it?

We are missing out on being respected by the rest of the world

The global warming douche bags claim we would benefit economically from the treaty. Which is it? Do we benefit or not?

It's not a treaty. Yes we benefit from the climate accord. Look around the progress we have accomplished in last 5 years.

What are you talking about look at all the progress we accomplished in the past 50 years...

With out the paris accord.


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Did you missed we lowered the emissions in last 5 years or so?
Without the accord wherefore you think this planet is going Bear? Didn't you noticed Bears are now invading human habitat in Alaska and other parts of the world because they cannot find food in the wilderness.
Now if that trends continue. Where do you think those bears go?

 

[skye]

So El Dumpster lied when he said he would renegotiate it. Certainly if Climate Change is a hoax, why would he do it?

No one has said that climate change is a hoax. Our climate has been changing for at least 6 billion years. If you're patient, you can find sea shells on the rim of the Grand Canyon. Now THAT'S climate change.

IF the agreement can be renegotiated so that it includes ALL nations, and there is no requirement for the world environmental whatever to pay India $2 TRILLION before they are required to comply with any restrictions. In other words, it is not simply a transfer of wealth scheme, and it is put before congress to be ratified, I see no problem.

Trump called climate change is a hoax.
Are you saying that Trump lied again?

Climate change is not negotiable----- They already told that to Trump because there is no planet earth B.

^^^

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Every foreign leader attacking Pres Trump over Paris -further proves the deal was one sided and better for foreigners than US

No.....it proves the rest of the countries are willing to sacrifice for the good of the planet and the U.S. Only cares about itself

It does? Then why are we spending 42 billion in foreign aid this year that we don't have? What other country does this besides the US?

Today, the U.S. manages foreign assistance programs in more than 100 countries around the world through the efforts of over 20 different U.S. government agencies. These investments further America's foreign policy interests on issues ranging from expanding free markets, combating extremism, ensuring stable democracies, and addressing the root causes of poverty, while simultaneously fostering global good will.

ForeignAssistance.gov

These aid has nothing to do with the Climate Change.

it wasn't why I posted it. Follow the conversation and perhaps you'll see why I did.

Stay with the topic if you don't mind.

You're the one that chimed in on our discussion, and now you're telling "me" to stick to the topic because you got busted not following the conversation?

 

[Billy_Bob]

Yeah, starting when, in January?

Starting as soon as we can find a leader that inspires this type of attitude. All we have now are a bunch of partisan schmucks hogging the mic followed by their brainless puppets singing their praises.

We do? And what did we have under DumBama? Can you name me one negative thing he took responsibility for? How many times has he reached out to Republicans?

We on the right (that elected Donald Trump for President) don't believe in man made global warming. That's it. And because we don't believe in it, we don't expect our leader to abide to what DumBama believed.

Obama is the name not DumBama.
Yes he took most or all responsibilities in last 8 years.
Yes he reached out to the Republicans for 8 years. But the Republicans tried very hard to destroy him right on his first day in the Oval Office till his last day in the office. That's a fact.

On the other hand Trump lied ALL the time and never took any kind of responsibility. That's a fact.

Are you saying that the rest of the world are dumb because Trump said so?
Are you saying that whole America are liberals including Ivanka and Tillerson?
Are you saying that all the CEOs and businesses that blasted dumb Trump are liberals?

Now answer my questions.

So El Dumpster lied when he said he would renegotiate it. Certainly if Climate Change is a hoax, why would he do it?

No one has said that climate change is a hoax. Our climate has been changing for at least 6 billion years. If you're patient, you can find sea shells on the rim of the Grand Canyon. Now THAT'S climate change.

IF the agreement can be renegotiated so that it includes ALL nations, and there is no requirement for the world environmental whatever to pay India $2 TRILLION before they are required to comply with any restrictions. In other words, it is not simply a transfer of wealth scheme, and it is put before congress to be ratified, I see no problem.

Trump called climate change is a hoax.
Are you saying that Trump lied again?

Climate change is not negotiable----- They already told that to Trump because there is no planet earth B.

Ivanka and Tillerson mean nothing at this time , Trump made his decision and punked the 'euros' , the world and YOU guys Charwin.

Yes it does.
Because even his daughter and inner circle disagree with this dude. It's not only the euros it's the whole world blasting us because of this dude. Even in Asia.

DO you enjoy running in circles with sharp objects? I answered your silly ass questions with facts, which you promptly ignored like the good little sheep you are.. Doing what you are told and spouting the lines your instructed too....

I am trying very hard not to call any names but since you started.
Where the fuck was your rebuttal? Maybe I missed it. Instead of giving me your bull shit why don't you direct me to your post. Like see post #? Dumb fuck.

Forgive me.. I thought you could read... Hell, you even get a notification when your quoted... and you still ignored that too..

Here, let me help the reading challenged. Do you know how to click on a link? Trump pulling out of Paris Climate Accord

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Then why are all the douche bags who support the treaty acting like we're missing out on something by rejecting it?

We are missing out on being respected by the rest of the world

The global warming douche bags claim we would benefit economically from the treaty. Which is it? Do we benefit or not?

It's not a treaty. Yes we benefit from the climate accord. Look around the progress we have accomplished in last 5 years.

What are you talking about look at all the progress we accomplished in the past 50 years...

With out the paris accord.


.

Did you missed we lowered the emissions in last 5 years or so?
Without the accord wherefore you think this planet is going Bear? Didn't you noticed Bears are now invading human habitat in Alaska and other parts of the world because they cannot find food in the wilderness.
Now if that trends continue. Where do you think those bears go?

And how would the Paris Accord stop that?

I asked before (with no response from the left) so I'll ask again: what does this accord do for us that we couldn't do for ourselves if we wanted?

 

[WEATHER53]

Thank you Mr President for not agreeing to force the USA to pay for other Nations pollution

 

[Wyatt earp]

We are missing out on being respected by the rest of the world

The global warming douche bags claim we would benefit economically from the treaty. Which is it? Do we benefit or not?

It's not a treaty. Yes we benefit from the climate accord. Look around the progress we have accomplished in last 5 years.

What are you talking about look at all the progress we accomplished in the past 50 years...

With out the paris accord.


.

Did you missed we lowered the emissions in last 5 years or so?
Without the accord wherefore you think this planet is going Bear? Didn't you noticed Bears are now invading human habitat in Alaska and other parts of the world because they cannot find food in the wilderness.
Now if that trends continue. Where do you think those bears go?

And how would the Paris Accord stop that?

I asked before (with no response from the left) so I'll ask again: what does this accord do for us that we couldn't do for ourselves if we wanted?

It's personal with them, their president wanted it so bad.

It was just a publicly stunt.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The global warming douche bags claim we would benefit economically from the treaty. Which is it? Do we benefit or not?

It's not a treaty. Yes we benefit from the climate accord. Look around the progress we have accomplished in last 5 years.

What are you talking about look at all the progress we accomplished in the past 50 years...

With out the paris accord.


.

Did you missed we lowered the emissions in last 5 years or so?
Without the accord wherefore you think this planet is going Bear? Didn't you noticed Bears are now invading human habitat in Alaska and other parts of the world because they cannot find food in the wilderness.
Now if that trends continue. Where do you think those bears go?

And how would the Paris Accord stop that?

I asked before (with no response from the left) so I'll ask again: what does this accord do for us that we couldn't do for ourselves if we wanted?

It's personal with them, their president wanted it so bad.

It was just a publicly stunt.

Yep, the snowflakes are a melting. Every time we reverse (or try to reverse) some Obama disaster, these folks flip out.

 

[charwin95]

The US cost this next year, for the Paris agreement, was to be over 380 billion dollars... Which Trump just cut from our budget... Germany was slated to receive over 18 billion of those funds as were most of the EU states.. You want to know why Germany was so pissed? This is it.. Same with the French... They all had their damn hands out expecting the US to pay up.. Trump just took that away and many of these countries were counting on that money for their budgets.

The Obama wealth redistribution money fairy just got run over with a train... This is why Europe is so pissed off..

IT WAS A BAD DEAL FOR THE US...

That is fucking bull shit.
How and where did you came up with $380 billions?

 

[Derelict_Drvr]

And America is saying fuck Trump. As of today three states, 100 cities, scores of major corporations, hundreds of businesses, and millions of citizens are saying "no, orange one, no." All of that community growing exponentially will work with the UN and each other for the goals of the Accord. Not a damn thing Trump can do about it.

If any of you don't like it, move to Syria and nowhereaguay.

Maybe it's time you move. We're in charge now and WE call the shots--not you.

As for cities and states, they can do whatever they want--they always could. You don't need Trump's permission for that. Let all these loud mouths spend billions of their taxpayers money on this nonsense. Trump doesn't care and neither do we. Run your city or state into a hole for all we care. Trump won't bail you out and neither will the Republicans.

You don't call anything.

Free energy goes forward, coal is dropping in % of energy provided. 80% of those jobs have disappeared under Reagan, Bush the Elder, Clinton, Bush the Younger, Obama, and Trump. They are not coming back.

The USA cannot begin leaving the Accord until 2020, and Trump and you can do nothing about American governments, institutions, business, corporations, groups, and individuals working together to work for the Accord's success.

Trump's bans are dead in the water. Gorsuch may not vote to hear them. Watch. They may not make to SCOTUS until after Trump is out of office.

RussiaGate investigation continues with no hindrance in the DOJ and Congress. Now it may be a criminal problem for the Trump associates as well an intel operation about them.

You guys are so messed up.

Let's say your right that we can't leave the accord until 2020. Ok, but what we can do is not fork over billions of dollars to it.

Something your not taking into consideration is that to give the amount of money Obama promised (illegally by the way, because it was unfunded) to the scam would require congressional approval. You know as well as I do that approval would never happen.

Another thing your failing to recognize is the the U.S. is the world leader in pollution reclamation, and we will make our technology available to the world, according to the EPA Commissioner today.

Finally, it would cost billions to taxpayers and businesses thru more taxes, and skyrocketing prices in energy and transportation costs. Those added costs could feasibly drive us back into a recession more severe than Obama's. It has the added possibility of driving employers out of business, raise prices to where goods and services are unaffordable, or lay-offs to remain profitable. It's been estimated that upwards of 3,000,000 jobs could be lost driving us deeper into a recession, or maybe even a depression. And you can bet your bottom dollar that Trump isn't going to borrow more money from China to meet our Paris Accords obligations, if we had agreed to it.

 

[Billy_Bob]

The US cost this next year, for the Paris agreement, was to be over 380 billion dollars... Which Trump just cut from our budget... Germany was slated to receive over 18 billion of those funds as were most of the EU states.. You want to know why Germany was so pissed? This is it.. Same with the French... They all had their damn hands out expecting the US to pay up.. Trump just took that away and many of these countries were counting on that money for their budgets.

The Obama wealth redistribution money fairy just got run over with a train... This is why Europe is so pissed off..

IT WAS A BAD DEAL FOR THE US...

That is fucking bull shit.
How and where did you came up with $380 billions?

Have you ever read that document? Do you know we are required to pay a portion or percentage of GDP? Didn't think so... reading impaired???.

 

[WEATHER53]

There are no rules in a knife fight
Paris Accord just got stabbed
Idea that we will be forced to stay committed, or are even supposed to do so, for 3 more years is loon fodder

 

[JakeStarkey]

No rules in a knife, yeah, and millions of Americans, hundred cities, three states, scores of big businesses, hundreds of other businesses are all much bigger than a knife fight. There is not a thing Trump can do to stop them from working with the UN on the goals of the Paris Accord. This is all much bigger than Trump and his tiny little followers.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Mitt gets it. Trump is all "like, we are number 11, yay!"

Mitt Romney ‏Verified account @MittRomney May 31 Affirmation of the #ParisAgreement is not only about the climate: It is also about America remaining the global leader. 4,602 replies10,795 retweets28,355 l

 

[Wyatt earp]

Then why are all the douche bags who support the treaty acting like we're missing out on something by rejecting it?

We are missing out on being respected by the rest of the world

The global warming douche bags claim we would benefit economically from the treaty. Which is it? Do we benefit or not?

It's not a treaty. Yes we benefit from the climate accord. Look around the progress we have accomplished in last 5 years.

What are you talking about look at all the progress we accomplished in the past 50 years...

With out the paris accord.


.

Did you missed we lowered the emissions in last 5 years or so?
Without the accord wherefore you think this planet is going Bear? Didn't you noticed Bears are now invading human habitat in Alaska and other parts of the world because they cannot find food in the wilderness.
Now if that trends continue. Where do you think those bears go?

Since when didn't bears invade human habit?

Da bears where the last ones to destroy the patriots....


Btw the way I read black bears were spotted in the hood and ghettos of Detroit a Few years ago.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Mitt gets it. Trump is all "like, we are number 11, yay!"

Mitt Romney ‏Verified account @MittRomney May 31 Affirmation of the #ParisAgreement is not only about the climate: It is also about America remaining the global leader. 4,602 replies10,795 retweets28,355 l

Who is he?