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Impeachment? I dunno. If this were 50/50 and there were no Republicans/Conservatives who didn't like Trump, maybe. Of course, if that were the case, there wouldn't be votes for impeachment in the first place and it would never happen. This would all be moot.You realize that "dumping" him would fuck up the entire country, perhaps irreversibly, right?
But my (wild ass) guess is that there are quite a few Republicans/Conservatives who would like to see it happen, get Pence in there, and try to calm things down. That's the point of the thread, really, and no doubt some are making that calculation right now.
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Reuters....flynn in touch with russians to set a back channel of communications that security wouldn't be able to check on between trump and putin,,,,,now tell us how hill and obama were traitors toomy problem ice is when info linking repubs with russia in a bad way all your republicans circle their wagons and claim it's all lies and everyone is out to get them like you just didHere's one fact on which (hopefully, who knows) we can all agree: As of this writing, the 2018 elections are a little less than 18 months away.
If you are a GOP congressperson and you think Trump is now irreparably damaged (or worse) -- I know, talk radio won't entertain that possibility, but you have your comfy congressional job to save -- wouldn't it be better to just get this over with, and try to (a) stop the bleeding and (b) try to regain some party momentum for 2018 by dumping the guy?
The numbers say Trump can't be impeached, but that's only if the GOP hangs together. I think we all know a professional politician's first priority is not the country or their constituents, it's re-election.
Isn't it just time to get this over with and try to regain your 2016 mojo before the 2018 elections?
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i'm more concerned at the the precedence we set if we stomp our foot and toss out elected officials cause hollywood hates them. cause liberals must have their way. and hell, just because "mob mentality".
as long as liberals are willing to make up RUSSIA crap and shit it out daily like a regular turd then whatever they're mad at needs to stay for no other reason than they need to realize you don't always get what you want and at times, you need to work with people you don't like or agree with for the greater good.
not mental masturbation participation.
kinda like dems circle the wagons and say hillary is just misunderstood.
and if you have actual verified info - lay it on me. to date all i hear is people say it's out there yet, "investigation" so we don't know what it is. that alone means you have zero idea what they DO have, or you could link it up.
when you can apply your 1 sided logic to both sides, we'll talk. til then, don't see much of a need.
The Dems are going to get slaughtered in 2018.
They have no ideas.
They already were told by The NSA, CIA, FBI, Director of National Intelligence and The Treasury Department that there is Zero Evidence of Russian Collusion.
They still persist in promoting the False Narrative they KNOW IS FALSE.
Now they are going to have their noses rubbed in it by a highly respected, impartial no nonsense Independent Special Council, and many of The Dem Operatives loyal to Obama and Clinton who engaged in all of this Felonious Behavior are going to go down and never get up again.
Dems should get slaughtered
They normally do poorly in midterms, Republicans are only defending nine Senate seats with most being in solid red states, the Republicans have an unbreakable Gerrymander in the House...
But Democrats are going to rerun the GOP playbook....Make the election a referendum on Trump. Bury the Republicans with Trumpcare. Keep the scandals coming showing Republicans and Trump are inept
Impeachment? I dunno. If this were 50/50 and there were no Republicans/Conservatives who didn't like Trump, maybe. Of course, if that were the case, there wouldn't be votes for impeachment in the first place and it would never happen. This would all be moot.You realize that "dumping" him would fuck up the entire country, perhaps irreversibly, right?
But my (wild ass) guess is that there are quite a few Republicans/Conservatives who would like to see it happen, get Pence in there, and try to calm things down. That's the point of the thread, really, and no doubt some are making that calculation right now.
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I still think impeachment is unlikely barring outright treason
Trump will find a fall guy to take the blame for whatever the investigation digs up. Trump will go into full Reagan mode....I don't remember, I didn't know, somebody else did it.....Where is Oliver North when you need him?
Impeachment? I dunno. If this were 50/50 and there were no Republicans/Conservatives who didn't like Trump, maybe. Of course, if that were the case, there wouldn't be votes for impeachment in the first place and it would never happen. This would all be moot.You realize that "dumping" him would fuck up the entire country, perhaps irreversibly, right?
But my (wild ass) guess is that there are quite a few Republicans/Conservatives who would like to see it happen, get Pence in there, and try to calm things down. That's the point of the thread, really, and no doubt some are making that calculation right now.
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I still think impeachment is unlikely barring outright treason
Trump will find a fall guy to take the blame for whatever the investigation digs up. Trump will go into full Reagan mode....I don't remember, I didn't know, somebody else did it.....Where is Oliver North when you need him?
I'm not arguing Just asked you to check Reuters this morning ..BUT if you want me to believe half the bs about Hillary including Benghazi that repubs tried to pin on her I won't be bothering you againReuters....flynn in touch with russians to set a back channel of communications that security wouldn't be able to check on between trump and putin,,,,,now tell us how hill and obama were traitors toomy problem ice is when info linking repubs with russia in a bad way all your republicans circle their wagons and claim it's all lies and everyone is out to get them like you just didHere's one fact on which (hopefully, who knows) we can all agree: As of this writing, the 2018 elections are a little less than 18 months away.
If you are a GOP congressperson and you think Trump is now irreparably damaged (or worse) -- I know, talk radio won't entertain that possibility, but you have your comfy congressional job to save -- wouldn't it be better to just get this over with, and try to (a) stop the bleeding and (b) try to regain some party momentum for 2018 by dumping the guy?
The numbers say Trump can't be impeached, but that's only if the GOP hangs together. I think we all know a professional politician's first priority is not the country or their constituents, it's re-election.
Isn't it just time to get this over with and try to regain your 2016 mojo before the 2018 elections?
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i'm more concerned at the the precedence we set if we stomp our foot and toss out elected officials cause hollywood hates them. cause liberals must have their way. and hell, just because "mob mentality".
as long as liberals are willing to make up RUSSIA crap and shit it out daily like a regular turd then whatever they're mad at needs to stay for no other reason than they need to realize you don't always get what you want and at times, you need to work with people you don't like or agree with for the greater good.
not mental masturbation participation.
kinda like dems circle the wagons and say hillary is just misunderstood.
and if you have actual verified info - lay it on me. to date all i hear is people say it's out there yet, "investigation" so we don't know what it is. that alone means you have zero idea what they DO have, or you could link it up.
when you can apply your 1 sided logic to both sides, we'll talk. til then, don't see much of a need.
you gonna let me do my side of this discussion or just talk to yourself? if you want to talk to yourself and just argue for the sake of arguing, i'm out. not playing little reindeer-trolling games.
My fear since the day he was elected was that he would screw up (or be PERCEIVED to screw up, your choice) so quickly and so badly that the Democratic party would have no need to go through its badly needed Reformation, and that his failure would usher the Regressive Left right into power.Impeachment? I dunno. If this were 50/50 and there were no Republicans/Conservatives who didn't like Trump, maybe. Of course, if that were the case, there wouldn't be votes for impeachment in the first place and it would never happen. This would all be moot.Yeah, they're in a tough position right now if they're not really thrilled with him.Here's one fact on which (hopefully, who knows) we can all agree: As of this writing, the 2018 elections are a little less than 18 months away.
If you are a GOP congressperson and you think Trump is now irreparably damaged (or worse) -- I know, talk radio won't entertain that possibility, but you have your comfy congressional job to save -- wouldn't it be better to just get this over with, and try to (a) stop the bleeding and (b) try to regain some party momentum for 2018 by dumping the guy?
The numbers say Trump can't be impeached, but that's only if the GOP hangs together. I think we all know a professional politician's first priority is not the country or their constituents, it's re-election.
Isn't it just time to get this over with and try to regain your 2016 mojo before the 2018 elections?
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Doing so would compound their previous betrayals of their base and end the GOP as a national party.
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You realize that "dumping" him would fuck up the entire country, perhaps irreversibly, right?
But my (wild ass) guess is that there are quite a few Republicans/Conservatives who would like to see it happen, get Pence in there, and try to calm things down. That's the point of the thread, really, and no doubt some are making that calculation right now.
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If the GOP loses a third of it's support, then they never win again.
And the Establishment should be thinking about how to dig itself out of the hole they dug by trying to steal the primary from Trump, not to mention a significant portion of them siding with FUCKING HILLARY.
Instead of digging it deeper.
You really want people like RW and Guno to have uncontested control over this country? Because we you are suggesting is how we get there, FAST.
The Dems are going to get slaughtered in 2018.
They have no ideas.
They already were told by The NSA, CIA, FBI, Director of National Intelligence and The Treasury Department that there is Zero Evidence of Russian Collusion.
They still persist in promoting the False Narrative they KNOW IS FALSE.
Now they are going to have their noses rubbed in it by a highly respected, impartial no nonsense Independent Special Council, and many of The Dem Operatives loyal to Obama and Clinton who engaged in all of this Felonious Behavior are going to go down and never get up again.
Dems should get slaughtered
They normally do poorly in midterms, Republicans are only defending nine Senate seats with most being in solid red states, the Republicans have an unbreakable Gerrymander in the House...
But Democrats are going to rerun the GOP playbook....Make the election a referendum on Trump. Bury the Republicans with Trumpcare. Keep the scandals coming showing Republicans and Trump are inept
THe only question is, will your propaganda work better in 2018 then it did in 2016.
In 2016....Republicans had promises
Kill Obamacare, indict Hillary, balance the budget, tax reform, the wall, jobs, jobs, jobs
In 2018 when they have to show what they have accomplished....the voters will ask...What Happened?
Fool me once....
My fear since the day he was elected was that he would screw up (or be PERCEIVED to screw up, your choice) so quickly and so badly that the Democratic party would have no need to go through its badly needed Reformation, and that his failure would usher the Regressive Left right into power.Impeachment? I dunno. If this were 50/50 and there were no Republicans/Conservatives who didn't like Trump, maybe. Of course, if that were the case, there wouldn't be votes for impeachment in the first place and it would never happen. This would all be moot.Yeah, they're in a tough position right now if they're not really thrilled with him.Doing so would compound their previous betrayals of their base and end the GOP as a national party.
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You realize that "dumping" him would fuck up the entire country, perhaps irreversibly, right?
But my (wild ass) guess is that there are quite a few Republicans/Conservatives who would like to see it happen, get Pence in there, and try to calm things down. That's the point of the thread, really, and no doubt some are making that calculation right now.
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If the GOP loses a third of it's support, then they never win again.
And the Establishment should be thinking about how to dig itself out of the hole they dug by trying to steal the primary from Trump, not to mention a significant portion of them siding with FUCKING HILLARY.
Instead of digging it deeper.
You really want people like RW and Guno to have uncontested control over this country? Because we you are suggesting is how we get there, FAST.
Right now, so far, that's how it's playing out, so I'm pretty freakin' horrified by the whole thing.
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lol just fine?? market off about 300 yesterday because people think they have a crooked con man in the wh? his policies aren't all bad I'll give you that but this bs with flynn only means one thing to me ...he's trying to get flynn to not give anything away anything that might get him impeachedMy fear since the day he was elected was that he would screw up (or be PERCEIVED to screw up, your choice) so quickly and so badly that the Democratic party would have no need to go through its badly needed Reformation, and that his failure would usher the Regressive Left right into power.Impeachment? I dunno. If this were 50/50 and there were no Republicans/Conservatives who didn't like Trump, maybe. Of course, if that were the case, there wouldn't be votes for impeachment in the first place and it would never happen. This would all be moot.Yeah, they're in a tough position right now if they're not really thrilled with him.
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You realize that "dumping" him would fuck up the entire country, perhaps irreversibly, right?
But my (wild ass) guess is that there are quite a few Republicans/Conservatives who would like to see it happen, get Pence in there, and try to calm things down. That's the point of the thread, really, and no doubt some are making that calculation right now.
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If the GOP loses a third of it's support, then they never win again.
And the Establishment should be thinking about how to dig itself out of the hole they dug by trying to steal the primary from Trump, not to mention a significant portion of them siding with FUCKING HILLARY.
Instead of digging it deeper.
You really want people like RW and Guno to have uncontested control over this country? Because we you are suggesting is how we get there, FAST.
Right now, so far, that's how it's playing out, so I'm pretty freakin' horrified by the whole thing.
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that is the media line, don't buy into it. Trump is doing just fine.
The Dems are going to get slaughtered in 2018.
They have no ideas.
They already were told by The NSA, CIA, FBI, Director of National Intelligence and The Treasury Department that there is Zero Evidence of Russian Collusion.
They still persist in promoting the False Narrative they KNOW IS FALSE.
Now they are going to have their noses rubbed in it by a highly respected, impartial no nonsense Independent Special Council, and many of The Dem Operatives loyal to Obama and Clinton who engaged in all of this Felonious Behavior are going to go down and never get up again.
Dems should get slaughtered
They normally do poorly in midterms, Republicans are only defending nine Senate seats with most being in solid red states, the Republicans have an unbreakable Gerrymander in the House...
But Democrats are going to rerun the GOP playbook....Make the election a referendum on Trump. Bury the Republicans with Trumpcare. Keep the scandals coming showing Republicans and Trump are inept
LOL, good luck with that. by the 18 elections, the new healthcare bill will be passed and people will see how much better off they are under it. new tax rates will put more money in working people's pockets, and jobs will be increasing as companies expand and new companies move to the USA.
the far left that is the dem party of today will continue to crumble like Pelosi's face. The party of Kennedy and Truman has been destroyed by the Clintons and Obama.
The Dems are going to get slaughtered in 2018.
They have no ideas.
They already were told by The NSA, CIA, FBI, Director of National Intelligence and The Treasury Department that there is Zero Evidence of Russian Collusion.
They still persist in promoting the False Narrative they KNOW IS FALSE.
Now they are going to have their noses rubbed in it by a highly respected, impartial no nonsense Independent Special Council, and many of The Dem Operatives loyal to Obama and Clinton who engaged in all of this Felonious Behavior are going to go down and never get up again.
Dems should get slaughtered
They normally do poorly in midterms, Republicans are only defending nine Senate seats with most being in solid red states, the Republicans have an unbreakable Gerrymander in the House...
But Democrats are going to rerun the GOP playbook....Make the election a referendum on Trump. Bury the Republicans with Trumpcare. Keep the scandals coming showing Republicans and Trump are inept
THe only question is, will your propaganda work better in 2018 then it did in 2016.
In 2016....Republicans had promises
Kill Obamacare, indict Hillary, balance the budget, tax reform, the wall, jobs, jobs, jobs
In 2018 when they have to show what they have accomplished....the voters will ask...What Happened?
Fool me once....
obamacare has been killed
hillary may escape since we have one set of laws for politicians and another set for us
tax reform is coming
the wall is being built
jobs are increasing
you were fooled by Obama and Clinton, and like the fool that you are, you continue to be fooled by them.
Ummm.. yeah that's what I figured; the problem with your position is two foldCNN exclusive: Grand jury subpoenas issued in FBI's Russia investigation - CNNPolitics.comSince when has anybody empaneled a Grand Jury to examine an indictment of President Big Mouth or any members of his official campaign or current members of his Administration? So far the only GJ I'm aware of is pursuant to Flynn's alleged malfeasance which is independent of any allegations of Trump Campaign collusion with Russia or any of the other allegations that have been leveled against the current Administration.That's a broad statement. What is made up?by the same token, if he's as horrible as people say, they wouldn't need to make things up on a regular basis and call it duty.
SPECULATIONHutch Starskey said:If you're referring to the investigations, they are progressing toward indictments.
SPECULATIONHutch Starskey said:The scope has more than likely moved beyond mere collusion and into an organized crime and espionage focus.
Congratulations on answering your own question.Hutch Starskey said:That's a broad statement. What is made up?
What is the purpose of a grand jury again?
The fact that multiple grand jury proceedings have begun shows quite clearly that there is not only evidence but that evidence is under scrutiny for possible criminality. If that is found to be the case. Indictments will follow.
You must be looking in the mirror since your position is one that has apparently conflated Flynn's problems with the broader investigation surrounding election interference, collusion and other allegations of wrongdoing aimed at the Trump Administration and the Trump Campaign.It's time that you reassess your position.
"The Flynn inquiry is one piece of the broader investigation, which FBI Director James Comey testified in a Senate hearing last week is led jointly by the Alexandria US Attorney's Office and the Justice Department's National Security Division."
Who's attempting to "minimize" anything? I'm just trying to get the facts straight instead of doing what all the partisan munchkins are doing, namely speculating & fabricating.You can attempt to minimize this as insignificant but that won't last long.
Ummm.. yeah that's what I figured; the problem with your position is two foldCNN exclusive: Grand jury subpoenas issued in FBI's Russia investigation - CNNPolitics.comSince when has anybody empaneled a Grand Jury to examine an indictment of President Big Mouth or any members of his official campaign or current members of his Administration? So far the only GJ I'm aware of is pursuant to Flynn's alleged malfeasance which is independent of any allegations of Trump Campaign collusion with Russia or any of the other allegations that have been leveled against the current Administration.That's a broad statement. What is made up?
SPECULATIONHutch Starskey said:If you're referring to the investigations, they are progressing toward indictments.
SPECULATIONHutch Starskey said:The scope has more than likely moved beyond mere collusion and into an organized crime and espionage focus.
Congratulations on answering your own question.Hutch Starskey said:That's a broad statement. What is made up?
What is the purpose of a grand jury again?
The fact that multiple grand jury proceedings have begun shows quite clearly that there is not only evidence but that evidence is under scrutiny for possible criminality. If that is found to be the case. Indictments will follow.
You must be looking in the mirror since your position is one that has apparently conflated Flynn's problems with the broader investigation surrounding election interference, collusion and other allegations of wrongdoing aimed at the Trump Administration and the Trump Campaign.It's time that you reassess your position.
"The Flynn inquiry is one piece of the broader investigation, which FBI Director James Comey testified in a Senate hearing last week is led jointly by the Alexandria US Attorney's Office and the Justice Department's National Security Division."
1. The GJ in question has been empaneled pursuant to an investigatory function not a charging one, thus there is no reason to believe that any indictments are imminent until the investigation is complete.
2. The only confirmed connection between the Flynn investigation and the Russian-Collusion probe is that the subpoenas were issued by Dana Boente's office who is the U.S. Attorney in charge of National Security Investigations and thus is the lead for all of the "Russia related " investigations (including collusion and election tampering).
CNN hasn't provided anything (that I've seen) to verify its assertion that they're part of the Russia-Trump Campaign Collusion investigation and it really doesn't make any sense that it would be since the allegations against Flynn involve his personal conduct outside of any functions to do with the Trumpster Campaign.
Personally I suspect it's likely that Flynn will be indicted since the evidence of illegality that has been exposed so far appears strong but it's FAR too early to expect that to happen any time soon
Who's attempting to "minimize" anything? I'm just trying to get the facts straight instead of doing what all the partisan munchkins are doing, namely speculating & fabricating.You can attempt to minimize this as insignificant but that won't last long.
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RIGHT WINGER check out the bypass commentUmmm.. yeah that's what I figured; the problem with your position is two foldCNN exclusive: Grand jury subpoenas issued in FBI's Russia investigation - CNNPolitics.comSince when has anybody empaneled a Grand Jury to examine an indictment of President Big Mouth or any members of his official campaign or current members of his Administration? So far the only GJ I'm aware of is pursuant to Flynn's alleged malfeasance which is independent of any allegations of Trump Campaign collusion with Russia or any of the other allegations that have been leveled against the current Administration.SPECULATION
SPECULATION
Congratulations on answering your own question.
What is the purpose of a grand jury again?
The fact that multiple grand jury proceedings have begun shows quite clearly that there is not only evidence but that evidence is under scrutiny for possible criminality. If that is found to be the case. Indictments will follow.
You must be looking in the mirror since your position is one that has apparently conflated Flynn's problems with the broader investigation surrounding election interference, collusion and other allegations of wrongdoing aimed at the Trump Administration and the Trump Campaign.It's time that you reassess your position.
"The Flynn inquiry is one piece of the broader investigation, which FBI Director James Comey testified in a Senate hearing last week is led jointly by the Alexandria US Attorney's Office and the Justice Department's National Security Division."
1. The GJ in question has been empaneled pursuant to an investigatory function not a charging one, thus there is no reason to believe that any indictments are imminent until the investigation is complete.
2. The only confirmed connection between the Flynn investigation and the Russian-Collusion probe is that the subpoenas were issued by Dana Boente's office who is the U.S. Attorney in charge of National Security Investigations and thus is the lead for all of the "Russia related " investigations (including collusion and election tampering).
CNN hasn't provided anything (that I've seen) to verify its assertion that they're part of the Russia-Trump Campaign Collusion investigation and it really doesn't make any sense that it would be since the allegations against Flynn involve his personal conduct outside of any functions to do with the Trumpster Campaign.
Personally I suspect it's likely that Flynn will be indicted since the evidence of illegality that has been exposed so far appears strong but it's FAR too early to expect that to happen any time soon
Who's attempting to "minimize" anything? I'm just trying to get the facts straight instead of doing what all the partisan munchkins are doing, namely speculating & fabricating.You can attempt to minimize this as insignificant but that won't last long.
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18 documented cases of contact between team Trump and the Russians
Trump.....You got some splain'n to do
lol just fine?? market off about 300 yesterday because people think they have a crooked con man in the wh? his policies aren't all bad I'll give you that but this bs with flynn only means one thing to me ...he's trying to get flynn to not give anything away anything that might get him impeachedMy fear since the day he was elected was that he would screw up (or be PERCEIVED to screw up, your choice) so quickly and so badly that the Democratic party would have no need to go through its badly needed Reformation, and that his failure would usher the Regressive Left right into power.Impeachment? I dunno. If this were 50/50 and there were no Republicans/Conservatives who didn't like Trump, maybe. Of course, if that were the case, there wouldn't be votes for impeachment in the first place and it would never happen. This would all be moot.You realize that "dumping" him would fuck up the entire country, perhaps irreversibly, right?
But my (wild ass) guess is that there are quite a few Republicans/Conservatives who would like to see it happen, get Pence in there, and try to calm things down. That's the point of the thread, really, and no doubt some are making that calculation right now.
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If the GOP loses a third of it's support, then they never win again.
And the Establishment should be thinking about how to dig itself out of the hole they dug by trying to steal the primary from Trump, not to mention a significant portion of them siding with FUCKING HILLARY.
Instead of digging it deeper.
You really want people like RW and Guno to have uncontested control over this country? Because we you are suggesting is how we get there, FAST.
Right now, so far, that's how it's playing out, so I'm pretty freakin' horrified by the whole thing.
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that is the media line, don't buy into it. Trump is doing just fine.
Ummm.. yeah that's what I figured; the problem with your position is two foldCNN exclusive: Grand jury subpoenas issued in FBI's Russia investigation - CNNPolitics.comSince when has anybody empaneled a Grand Jury to examine an indictment of President Big Mouth or any members of his official campaign or current members of his Administration? So far the only GJ I'm aware of is pursuant to Flynn's alleged malfeasance which is independent of any allegations of Trump Campaign collusion with Russia or any of the other allegations that have been leveled against the current Administration.SPECULATION
SPECULATION
Congratulations on answering your own question.
What is the purpose of a grand jury again?
The fact that multiple grand jury proceedings have begun shows quite clearly that there is not only evidence but that evidence is under scrutiny for possible criminality. If that is found to be the case. Indictments will follow.
You must be looking in the mirror since your position is one that has apparently conflated Flynn's problems with the broader investigation surrounding election interference, collusion and other allegations of wrongdoing aimed at the Trump Administration and the Trump Campaign.It's time that you reassess your position.
"The Flynn inquiry is one piece of the broader investigation, which FBI Director James Comey testified in a Senate hearing last week is led jointly by the Alexandria US Attorney's Office and the Justice Department's National Security Division."
1. The GJ in question has been empaneled pursuant to an investigatory function not a charging one, thus there is no reason to believe that any indictments are imminent until the investigation is complete.
2. The only confirmed connection between the Flynn investigation and the Russian-Collusion probe is that the subpoenas were issued by Dana Boente's office who is the U.S. Attorney in charge of National Security Investigations and thus is the lead for all of the "Russia related " investigations (including collusion and election tampering).
CNN hasn't provided anything (that I've seen) to verify its assertion that they're part of the Russia-Trump Campaign Collusion investigation and it really doesn't make any sense that it would be since the allegations against Flynn involve his personal conduct outside of any functions to do with the Trumpster Campaign.
Personally I suspect it's likely that Flynn will be indicted since the evidence of illegality that has been exposed so far appears strong but it's FAR too early to expect that to happen any time soon
Who's attempting to "minimize" anything? I'm just trying to get the facts straight instead of doing what all the partisan munchkins are doing, namely speculating & fabricating.You can attempt to minimize this as insignificant but that won't last long.
.
18 documented cases of contact between team Trump and the Russians
Trump.....You got some splain'n to do
300 down 50 up?......and trump knew flynn was being investigated and still put him onlol just fine?? market off about 300 yesterday because people think they have a crooked con man in the wh? his policies aren't all bad I'll give you that but this bs with flynn only means one thing to me ...he's trying to get flynn to not give anything away anything that might get him impeachedMy fear since the day he was elected was that he would screw up (or be PERCEIVED to screw up, your choice) so quickly and so badly that the Democratic party would have no need to go through its badly needed Reformation, and that his failure would usher the Regressive Left right into power.Impeachment? I dunno. If this were 50/50 and there were no Republicans/Conservatives who didn't like Trump, maybe. Of course, if that were the case, there wouldn't be votes for impeachment in the first place and it would never happen. This would all be moot.
But my (wild ass) guess is that there are quite a few Republicans/Conservatives who would like to see it happen, get Pence in there, and try to calm things down. That's the point of the thread, really, and no doubt some are making that calculation right now.
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If the GOP loses a third of it's support, then they never win again.
And the Establishment should be thinking about how to dig itself out of the hole they dug by trying to steal the primary from Trump, not to mention a significant portion of them siding with FUCKING HILLARY.
Instead of digging it deeper.
You really want people like RW and Guno to have uncontested control over this country? Because we you are suggesting is how we get there, FAST.
Right now, so far, that's how it's playing out, so I'm pretty freakin' horrified by the whole thing.
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that is the media line, don't buy into it. Trump is doing just fine.
a one day drop, and its back up today. BFD. Trump fired Flynn because he lied to the VP. If one of your employees lies, are you liable? you dems are so desperate that you are making yourselves look like circus clowns.
About bypassing security by trump with his buddy Putin?? You go along with that ?? And trump didn't want to get rid of Flynn He has the goods on trump and trump was protecting him as the comey deal makes clearUmmm.. yeah that's what I figured; the problem with your position is two foldCNN exclusive: Grand jury subpoenas issued in FBI's Russia investigation - CNNPolitics.comSince when has anybody empaneled a Grand Jury to examine an indictment of President Big Mouth or any members of his official campaign or current members of his Administration? So far the only GJ I'm aware of is pursuant to Flynn's alleged malfeasance which is independent of any allegations of Trump Campaign collusion with Russia or any of the other allegations that have been leveled against the current Administration.What is the purpose of a grand jury again?
The fact that multiple grand jury proceedings have begun shows quite clearly that there is not only evidence but that evidence is under scrutiny for possible criminality. If that is found to be the case. Indictments will follow.
You must be looking in the mirror since your position is one that has apparently conflated Flynn's problems with the broader investigation surrounding election interference, collusion and other allegations of wrongdoing aimed at the Trump Administration and the Trump Campaign.It's time that you reassess your position.
"The Flynn inquiry is one piece of the broader investigation, which FBI Director James Comey testified in a Senate hearing last week is led jointly by the Alexandria US Attorney's Office and the Justice Department's National Security Division."
1. The GJ in question has been empaneled pursuant to an investigatory function not a charging one, thus there is no reason to believe that any indictments are imminent until the investigation is complete.
2. The only confirmed connection between the Flynn investigation and the Russian-Collusion probe is that the subpoenas were issued by Dana Boente's office who is the U.S. Attorney in charge of National Security Investigations and thus is the lead for all of the "Russia related " investigations (including collusion and election tampering).
CNN hasn't provided anything (that I've seen) to verify its assertion that they're part of the Russia-Trump Campaign Collusion investigation and it really doesn't make any sense that it would be since the allegations against Flynn involve his personal conduct outside of any functions to do with the Trumpster Campaign.
Personally I suspect it's likely that Flynn will be indicted since the evidence of illegality that has been exposed so far appears strong but it's FAR too early to expect that to happen any time soon
Who's attempting to "minimize" anything? I'm just trying to get the facts straight instead of doing what all the partisan munchkins are doing, namely speculating & fabricating.You can attempt to minimize this as insignificant but that won't last long.
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18 documented cases of contact between team Trump and the Russians
Trump.....You got some splain'n to do
Holy shit, Trump talked to the Russians!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Holy shit, the sky is falling !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good thing that Obama and Hillary never talked to the Russians---------------oh, wait.
Yeah, that's a good point. A dangerous precedent. My personal nightmare scenario is playing out in real time: Trump is in such trouble so quickly that the Democrat party won't even NEED to go through its badly-needed Reformation. The Regressive Left is now waiting in the wings, licking its chops.i'm more concerned at the the precedence we set if we stomp our foot and toss out elected officials cause hollywood hates them. cause liberals must have their way. and hell, just because "mob mentality".
But whether I'm right or wrong, we're talking about professional politicians here. Trump either helps their re-election chances or hurts them, and that's their primary calculus.
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