Trumps deportation plan would cost $100-$200 BILLION

[paddymurphy]

And what happens to our GNP once we vacuum 11 million undocumented immigrants from the pay rolls?

We have 90 million unemployed Americans to fill that. Nobody buys the bullshit!

We do not have 90 million unemployed. You people are incredibly stupid. The 90 million out of the workforce include every single person between the ages of 16 and 65 who are not getting paid on the books. My 20 and 21 year old college student kids are included in that number. So is my sister, who made enough to retire at 53 and her husband, who is permanently disabled as the result of stroke at 55. You really ought to stop using numbers you have not understanding of.

 

[paddymurphy]

And what happens to our GNP once we vacuum 11 million undocumented immigrants from the pay rolls?

We have 90 million unemployed Americans to fill that. Nobody buys the bullshit!

"When analyzed from the vantage point of information derived from reputable, nonpartisan sources (the Pew Research Center, USDA, United States Department of Labor, and leading economists and researchers) then one can obtain a clearer view of this muddled discussion. The truth of the matter is that illegal immigrants are important to the U.S. economy, as well as vital to certain industries like agriculture.

According to the Pew Research Hispanic Trends Project, there were 8.4 million unauthorized immigrants employed in the U.S.; representing 5.2 percent of the U.S. labor force (an increase from 3.8 percent in 2000). Their importance was highlighted in a report by Texas Comptroller Susan Combs that stated, “Without the undocumented population, Texas’ work force would decrease by 6.3 percent” and Texas’ gross state product would decrease by 2.1 percent. Furthermore, certain segments of the U.S. economy, like agriculture, are entirely dependent upon illegal immigrants.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture states that, “about half of the hired workers employed in U.S. crop agriculture were unauthorized, with the overwhelming majority of these workers coming from Mexico.” The USDA has also warned that, “any potential immigration reform could have significant impacts on the U.S. fruit and vegetable industry.” From the perspective of National Milk Producers Federation in 2009, retail milk prices would increase by 61 percent if its immigrant labor force were to be eliminated.

Echoing the Department of Labor, the USDA, and the National Milk Producers Federation, agricultural labor economist James S. Holt made the following statement to Congress in 2007: “The reality, however, is that if we deported a substantial number of undocumented farm workers, there would be a tremendous labor shortage.”

In terms of overall numbers, The Department of Labor reports that of the 2.5 million farm workers in the U.S., over half (53 percent) are illegal immigrants. Growers and labor unions put this figure at 70 percent.

But what about the immense strain on social services and money spent on welfare for these law breakers? The Congressional Budget Office in 2007 answered this question in the following manner: “Over the past two decades, most efforts to estimate the fiscal impact of immigration in the United States have concluded that, in aggregate and over the long term, tax revenues of all types generated by immigrants—both legal and unauthorized—exceed the cost of the services they use.” According to the New York Times, the chief actuary of the Social Security Administration claims that undocumented workers have contributed close to 10% ($300 billion) of the Social Security Trust Fund."
Illegal immigrants benefit the U.S. economy

See this part..." in aggregate and over the long term, tax revenues of all types generated by immigrants—both legal and unauthorized—exceed the cost of the services they use." And that is just taxes. They also spend money that generates more economic activity.

 

[EatMorChikin]

And what happens to our GNP once we vacuum 11 million undocumented immigrants from the pay rolls?

We have 90 million unemployed Americans to fill that. Nobody buys the bullshit!

90 million? Our population is 350,000,000. Figure half that number is underage. That leaves 175,000,000. Figure out of that 30% are retired, infirmed or otherwise not able to work. That leaves roughly 117,000,000. Remove your figure of 90,000,000 and you're telling us that approximately 27,000,000 out of our population of 350,000,000 are making our economy hum along.

Now, you were speaking of bullshit...

That includes everyone 16 and older. Many of those teens are being screwed out of fast food jobs. Because we have parasites here using those as careers. And there are also many Americans who are no longer counted. Because they dropped off the roles.

 

[bripat9643]

And what happens to our GNP once we vacuum 11 million undocumented immigrants from the pay rolls?

Per capita GDP is all that matters, and that will go up.

Trumps deportation plan would cost $100-$200 BILLION

Nobody said crazy is cheap.

Illegal aliens cost $130 billion each year. Trump's plan is a bargain.

I sure feel sorry for the kid and his parents of that disgusting avie you use.

You don't give a crap.

Who do you think you're fooling.

I used to. But you are right. I have lost interest in kids welfare...now I just find them annoying. [emoji38]

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[paddymurphy]

And what happens to our GNP once we vacuum 11 million undocumented immigrants from the pay rolls?

We have 90 million unemployed Americans to fill that. Nobody buys the bullshit!

90 million? Our population is 350,000,000. Figure half that number is underage. That leaves 175,000,000. Figure out of that 30% are retired, infirmed or otherwise not able to work. That leaves roughly 117,000,000. Remove your figure of 90,000,000 and you're telling us that approximately 27,000,000 out of our population of 350,000,000 are making our economy hum along.

Now, you were speaking of bullshit...

That includes everyone 16 and older. Many of those teens are being screwed out of fast food jobs. Because we have parasites here using those as careers. And there are also many Americans who are no longer counted. Because they dropped off the roles.

When you have even a basic understanding of how the BLS produces those numbers you might be able to address this intelligently. Now, you are just making shit up.

 

[EatMorChikin]

And what happens to our GNP once we vacuum 11 million undocumented immigrants from the pay rolls?

We have 90 million unemployed Americans to fill that. Nobody buys the bullshit!

"When analyzed from the vantage point of information derived from reputable, nonpartisan sources (the Pew Research Center, USDA, United States Department of Labor, and leading economists and researchers) then one can obtain a clearer view of this muddled discussion. The truth of the matter is that illegal immigrants are important to the U.S. economy, as well as vital to certain industries like agriculture.

According to the Pew Research Hispanic Trends Project, there were 8.4 million unauthorized immigrants employed in the U.S.; representing 5.2 percent of the U.S. labor force (an increase from 3.8 percent in 2000). Their importance was highlighted in a report by Texas Comptroller Susan Combs that stated, “Without the undocumented population, Texas’ work force would decrease by 6.3 percent” and Texas’ gross state product would decrease by 2.1 percent. Furthermore, certain segments of the U.S. economy, like agriculture, are entirely dependent upon illegal immigrants.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture states that, “about half of the hired workers employed in U.S. crop agriculture were unauthorized, with the overwhelming majority of these workers coming from Mexico.” The USDA has also warned that, “any potential immigration reform could have significant impacts on the U.S. fruit and vegetable industry.” From the perspective of National Milk Producers Federation in 2009, retail milk prices would increase by 61 percent if its immigrant labor force were to be eliminated.

Echoing the Department of Labor, the USDA, and the National Milk Producers Federation, agricultural labor economist James S. Holt made the following statement to Congress in 2007: “The reality, however, is that if we deported a substantial number of undocumented farm workers, there would be a tremendous labor shortage.”

In terms of overall numbers, The Department of Labor reports that of the 2.5 million farm workers in the U.S., over half (53 percent) are illegal immigrants. Growers and labor unions put this figure at 70 percent.

But what about the immense strain on social services and money spent on welfare for these law breakers? The Congressional Budget Office in 2007 answered this question in the following manner: “Over the past two decades, most efforts to estimate the fiscal impact of immigration in the United States have concluded that, in aggregate and over the long term, tax revenues of all types generated by immigrants—both legal and unauthorized—exceed the cost of the services they use.” According to the New York Times, the chief actuary of the Social Security Administration claims that undocumented workers have contributed close to 10% ($300 billion) of the Social Security Trust Fund."
Illegal immigrants benefit the U.S. economy

See this part..." in aggregate and over the long term, tax revenues of all types generated by immigrants—both legal and unauthorized—exceed the cost of the services they use." And that is just taxes. They also spend money that generates more economic activity.

I don't care about statistics, which come from a federal government who is flaunting our laws. And sorry, we have Americans to fill all those voids. And besides, they were illegal and should never have been counted on to help hold America up.

Are murderers and other criminals important to us as well? If we aren't enforcing laws, what business is it to even have a country. Would you prefer total annexation?

 

[paddymurphy]

And what happens to our GNP once we vacuum 11 million undocumented immigrants from the pay rolls?

Per capita GDP is all that matters, and that will go up.

Trumps deportation plan would cost $100-$200 BILLION

Nobody said crazy is cheap.

Illegal aliens cost $130 billion each year. Trump's plan is a bargain.

I sure feel sorry for the kid and his parents of that disgusting avie you use.

You don't give a crap.

Who do you think you're fooling.

I used to. But you are right. I have lost interest in kids welfare...now I just find them annoying. [emoji38]

Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk

And what happens to our GNP once we vacuum 11 million undocumented immigrants from the pay rolls?

We have 90 million unemployed Americans to fill that. Nobody buys the bullshit!

"When analyzed from the vantage point of information derived from reputable, nonpartisan sources (the Pew Research Center, USDA, United States Department of Labor, and leading economists and researchers) then one can obtain a clearer view of this muddled discussion. The truth of the matter is that illegal immigrants are important to the U.S. economy, as well as vital to certain industries like agriculture.

According to the Pew Research Hispanic Trends Project, there were 8.4 million unauthorized immigrants employed in the U.S.; representing 5.2 percent of the U.S. labor force (an increase from 3.8 percent in 2000). Their importance was highlighted in a report by Texas Comptroller Susan Combs that stated, “Without the undocumented population, Texas’ work force would decrease by 6.3 percent” and Texas’ gross state product would decrease by 2.1 percent. Furthermore, certain segments of the U.S. economy, like agriculture, are entirely dependent upon illegal immigrants.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture states that, “about half of the hired workers employed in U.S. crop agriculture were unauthorized, with the overwhelming majority of these workers coming from Mexico.” The USDA has also warned that, “any potential immigration reform could have significant impacts on the U.S. fruit and vegetable industry.” From the perspective of National Milk Producers Federation in 2009, retail milk prices would increase by 61 percent if its immigrant labor force were to be eliminated.

Echoing the Department of Labor, the USDA, and the National Milk Producers Federation, agricultural labor economist James S. Holt made the following statement to Congress in 2007: “The reality, however, is that if we deported a substantial number of undocumented farm workers, there would be a tremendous labor shortage.”

In terms of overall numbers, The Department of Labor reports that of the 2.5 million farm workers in the U.S., over half (53 percent) are illegal immigrants. Growers and labor unions put this figure at 70 percent.

But what about the immense strain on social services and money spent on welfare for these law breakers? The Congressional Budget Office in 2007 answered this question in the following manner: “Over the past two decades, most efforts to estimate the fiscal impact of immigration in the United States have concluded that, in aggregate and over the long term, tax revenues of all types generated by immigrants—both legal and unauthorized—exceed the cost of the services they use.” According to the New York Times, the chief actuary of the Social Security Administration claims that undocumented workers have contributed close to 10% ($300 billion) of the Social Security Trust Fund."
Illegal immigrants benefit the U.S. economy

See this part..." in aggregate and over the long term, tax revenues of all types generated by immigrants—both legal and unauthorized—exceed the cost of the services they use." And that is just taxes. They also spend money that generates more economic activity.

I don't care about statistics, which come from a federal government who is flaunting our laws. And sorry, we have Americans to fill all those voids. And besides, they were illegal and should never have been counted on to help hols America up.

Are murderers and other criminals important to us as well? If we aren't enforcing laws, what business is it to even have a country. Would you prefer total annexation?

In other words, you believe what you believe regardless of the facts or the truth. What a fucking idiot.

 

[Boss]

The Constitution applies to everyone on American soil. look it up for yourself.

I don't have to look it up, I carry a copy in my wallet. The Constitution says nothing about soil. Prisoners do not have the right to bear arms... they are on American soil. A maniac with a gun, randomly shooting innocent people, loses their right to due process as a sniper puts a bullet through their head to stop their carnage... they are on American soil. We put people in the electric chair and take away their right to live... on American soil.

 

[paddymurphy]

Evidently you don't understand english composition, when terms are separated by a comma they stand alone. What is it you didn't understand when he said: And "jurisdiction" did not mean simply subject to the laws of the United States or subject to the jurisdiction of its courts. Rather, "jurisdiction" meant exclusive "allegiance" to the United States."

I understand better than you. So do the numerous judges who have held that those born here are citizens.

Right, some leftist judge knows better than the guy who wrote it. Does it hurt to be that gullible?

More than one guy wrote it. Many contributed to it. Its meaning was then debated. Are you suggesting that the Courts are bound by what one person construed it to mean? Sheer idiocy. Of course, what he wrote above is consistent with what the Courts have held; unless born to an ambassador or his wife or a member of his family who are here as diplomats and therefore "not subject to the jurisdiction" of the laws of the United States, a person born here is a citizen upon birth. So, if you want to apply the Amendment consistent with the intent of one of its drafters, then the Court have been getting it right all of this time.

More than one concurred with the definition, in fact American Indians were excluded under the 14th because they owed allegiance to their tribal nations. That didn't change until the 1920's when congress made them US citizens, by law, what makes illegals any different?

American Indians already occupied this nation, Congress only rightly acknowledged their shared claim to this land that they had previous ownership of. Illegal aliens migrated from another country, have no respect for the laws in this country, and in exchange believe they are entitled to what other immigrants had to endure through the long process of obtaining proper "legal" citizenship. There my friend, is the difference.

They have demonstrated respect for the laws of this country by committing less crime, per capita, than the native born.

 

[EatMorChikin]

And what happens to our GNP once we vacuum 11 million undocumented immigrants from the pay rolls?

We have 90 million unemployed Americans to fill that. Nobody buys the bullshit!

90 million? Our population is 350,000,000. Figure half that number is underage. That leaves 175,000,000. Figure out of that 30% are retired, infirmed or otherwise not able to work. That leaves roughly 117,000,000. Remove your figure of 90,000,000 and you're telling us that approximately 27,000,000 out of our population of 350,000,000 are making our economy hum along.

Now, you were speaking of bullshit...

That includes everyone 16 and older. Many of those teens are being screwed out of fast food jobs. Because we have parasites here using those as careers. And there are also many Americans who are no longer counted. Because they dropped off the roles.

When you have even a basic understanding of how the BLS produces those numbers you might be able to address this intelligently. Now, you are just making shit up.

Sorry but you are the one who doesn't understand these numbers. You want to live in a lawless country? Go find another one. The silent majority is rising to the top, feel the burn~!

 

[paddymurphy]

The Constitution applies to everyone on American soil. look it up for yourself.

I don't have to look it up, I carry a copy in my wallet. The Constitution says nothing about soil. Prisoners do not have the right to bear arms... they are on American soil. A maniac with a gun, randomly shooting innocent people, loses their right to due process as a sniper puts a bullet through their head to stop their carnage... they are on American soil. We put people in the electric chair and take away their right to live... on American soil.

The constitution applies. Just because the Supreme Court recognized the obvious, that none of the rights are absolute and can be restricted when the restriction is properly justified and narrowly tailored does not mean the constitution does not apply. We do not put people to death unless their constitutional rights have been protected. We can take away their life, liberty or property IF they have had the right to due process and if they are not targeted in violation of their right to due process. For something you claim to have easy access you, the constitution is not something you seem to understand at all.

 

[Nosmo King]

And what happens to our GNP once we vacuum 11 million undocumented immigrants from the pay rolls?

We have 90 million unemployed Americans to fill that. Nobody buys the bullshit!

90 million? Our population is 350,000,000. Figure half that number is underage. That leaves 175,000,000. Figure out of that 30% are retired, infirmed or otherwise not able to work. That leaves roughly 117,000,000. Remove your figure of 90,000,000 and you're telling us that approximately 27,000,000 out of our population of 350,000,000 are making our economy hum along.

Now, you were speaking of bullshit...

That includes everyone 16 and older. Many of those teens are being screwed out of fast food jobs. Because we have parasites here using those as careers. And there are also many Americans who are no longer counted. Because they dropped off the roles.

When you have even a basic understanding of how the BLS produces those numbers you might be able to address this intelligently. Now, you are just making shit up.

Sorry but you are the one who doesn't understand these numbers. You want to live in a lawless country? Go find another one. The silent majority is rising to the top, feel the burn~!

Didn't you just say you did not believe in statistics? And now you are saying someone does not use statistics properly?

Why not just cut to the chase. You hate immigrants the same way every other American who is at the bottom of the socio-economic ladder has hated immigrants.

 

[paddymurphy]

And what happens to our GNP once we vacuum 11 million undocumented immigrants from the pay rolls?

We have 90 million unemployed Americans to fill that. Nobody buys the bullshit!

90 million? Our population is 350,000,000. Figure half that number is underage. That leaves 175,000,000. Figure out of that 30% are retired, infirmed or otherwise not able to work. That leaves roughly 117,000,000. Remove your figure of 90,000,000 and you're telling us that approximately 27,000,000 out of our population of 350,000,000 are making our economy hum along.

Now, you were speaking of bullshit...

That includes everyone 16 and older. Many of those teens are being screwed out of fast food jobs. Because we have parasites here using those as careers. And there are also many Americans who are no longer counted. Because they dropped off the roles.

When you have even a basic understanding of how the BLS produces those numbers you might be able to address this intelligently. Now, you are just making shit up.

Sorry but you are the one who doesn't understand these numbers. You want to live in a lawless country? Go find another one. The silent majority is rising to the top, feel the burn~!

You are not silent and certainly not a majority. You are few and far between and simply choose to demonstrate your ignorance loudly. The decrease in the labor participation rate has had nothing, nada, to do with immigration. It was lower when there was more illegal immigration. And it rose over the last 7 years, a time period when illegal immigration was actually in negative numbers, with more leaving than coming in. You are fucking clueless. Do us a favor. Go get an economics degree, maybe a Masters or PHd; work in labor economics and then, maybe, you would be in a position to contradict the opinions of the labor economists in the BLS.

 

[paddymurphy]

And what happens to our GNP once we vacuum 11 million undocumented immigrants from the pay rolls?

Per capita GDP is all that matters, and that will go up.

Trumps deportation plan would cost $100-$200 BILLION

Nobody said crazy is cheap.

Illegal aliens cost $130 billion each year. Trump's plan is a bargain.

I sure feel sorry for the kid and his parents of that disgusting avie you use.

You don't give a crap.

Who do you think you're fooling.

I used to. But you are right. I have lost interest in kids welfare...now I just find them annoying. [emoji38]

Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk

"Finally, the aggregate economic impact of illegal immigration is debatable, but any claim that they’ve ruined the country doesn’t correlate to the views of any notable economist. An open letter to President George W. Bush in 2006, signed by around five hundred economists (including five Nobel laureates) stated the following: “While a small percentage of native-born Americans may be harmed by immigration, vastly more Americans benefit from the contributions that immigrants make to our economy, including lower consumer prices.”

Although Harvard economist Jorge Borjas has stated that illegal immigrants from 1980-2000 have reduced the wages of high school dropouts in the U.S, he also states that the average American’s wealth has increased by 1 percent because of illegal immigration. In an op-ed published in the Los Angeles Times, UC Davis economist Giovanni Peri stated that new laws are needed to meet demands within industries like construction, agriculture, and hospitality: “In recent decades, the high demand for these services and the pressure for keeping their cost low and prices competitive have generated incentives to hire undocumented workers.”

Some people claim that illegal immigrants represent an assault on our sovereignty. If this is true, then it might be the first time in world history that a country has employed its invaders. When illegal immigrants cross the border, there’s a citizen waiting to hire them and benefit in some manner from their labor. The sooner our country realizes that immigration reform should be based upon the views of economists and nonpartisan academic researchers, rather than think tanks and radio show hosts, then Congress will finally be able to help solve this national dilemma."

Illegal immigrants benefit the U.S. economy

Rebut this with actual proof or shut the fuck up.

 

[Vandalshandle]

The Constitution applies to everyone on American soil. look it up for yourself.

I don't have to look it up, I carry a copy in my wallet. The Constitution says nothing about soil. Prisoners do not have the right to bear arms... they are on American soil. A maniac with a gun, randomly shooting innocent people, loses their right to due process as a sniper puts a bullet through their head to stop their carnage... they are on American soil. We put people in the electric chair and take away their right to live... on American soil.

Boss, I will make it easier for you to understand. You can not haul people out of the country unless they are an illegal alien. In order to determine if a person is an illegal alien, he must be found guilty in a court of law. Without this constitutional protection you would have the power to just pick up anyone and decide that he is not a citizen, and arbitrarily haul him off. You could do it to me, and my family has been here since 1647. You can not put the burden of proof, that I am a citizen, on me. The government has to prove in court that someone is not a citizen. Now, Boss, this is all covered in 8th grade Civics. Did you miss a lot of school growing up?

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

Having human DNA doesn't make you a person.

Makes you a human being who should have Constitutional rights.

Nope, not even close. Human DNA is as common as dirt, and about as worthy.

Now If that is to be the attitude, there would really be no need to concern yourself with instituting a government health care mandate.

 

[paddymurphy]

The Constitution applies to everyone on American soil. look it up for yourself.

I don't have to look it up, I carry a copy in my wallet. The Constitution says nothing about soil. Prisoners do not have the right to bear arms... they are on American soil. A maniac with a gun, randomly shooting innocent people, loses their right to due process as a sniper puts a bullet through their head to stop their carnage... they are on American soil. We put people in the electric chair and take away their right to live... on American soil.

Boss, I will make it easier for you to understand. You can not haul people out of the country unless they are an illegal alien. In order to determine if a person is an illegal alien, he must be found guilty in a court of law. Without this constitutional protection you would have the power to just pick up anyone and decide that he is not a citizen, and arbitrarily haul him off. You could do it to me, and my family has been here since 1647. You can not put the burden of proof, that I am a citizen, on me. The government has to prove in court that someone is not a citizen. Now, Boss, this is all covered in 8th grade Civics. Did you miss a lot of school growing up?

You are generally right. But they need not be "found guilty". That is a criminal concept. They do have the right to a hearing, before a judge. According to the ICE website..."Regardless of whether the removal proceeding involves an alien’s deportation or admissibility, the U.S. government, and specifically the Department of Homeland Security (“DHS”), must first establish by “clear, unequivocal, and convincing evidence” that you, as the person in question, are in fact an alien.

The “clear and convincing” burden requires a showing that it is substantially more likely than not, as shown by the facts and evidence, that the person is an alien. This burden of proof is higher than that in ordinary civil cases, where the burden is by the “preponderance of the evidence,” but lower than that in criminal cases, where the burden is “beyond a reasonable doubt.”

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

I understand better than you. So do the numerous judges who have held that those born here are citizens.

Right, some leftist judge knows better than the guy who wrote it. Does it hurt to be that gullible?

More than one guy wrote it. Many contributed to it. Its meaning was then debated. Are you suggesting that the Courts are bound by what one person construed it to mean? Sheer idiocy. Of course, what he wrote above is consistent with what the Courts have held; unless born to an ambassador or his wife or a member of his family who are here as diplomats and therefore "not subject to the jurisdiction" of the laws of the United States, a person born here is a citizen upon birth. So, if you want to apply the Amendment consistent with the intent of one of its drafters, then the Court have been getting it right all of this time.

More than one concurred with the definition, in fact American Indians were excluded under the 14th because they owed allegiance to their tribal nations. That didn't change until the 1920's when congress made them US citizens, by law, what makes illegals any different?

American Indians already occupied this nation, Congress only rightly acknowledged their shared claim to this land that they had previous ownership of. Illegal aliens migrated from another country, have no respect for the laws in this country, and in exchange believe they are entitled to what other immigrants had to endure through the long process of obtaining proper "legal" citizenship. There my friend, is the difference.

They have demonstrated respect for the laws of this country by committing less crime, per capita, than the native born.

Willfully sneaking across the border as opposed to using United States check points, does not demonstrate respect for our laws. Politicians who who "make excuses" for those who defy our Federal Immigration Law by rewarding their efforts through citizenship, don't have a backbone to stand up against those who harbor them, and stand opposed to efforts of enforcement, are enablers of the problem. They simply have no respect for those immigrants who work hard to uphold and honor our system of law. Our legal immigrants are the better Americans than those politicians who rather look to votes over enforcement.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Having human DNA doesn't make you a person.

Makes you a human being who should have Constitutional rights.

Nope, not even close. Human DNA is as common as dirt, and about as worthy.

Now If that is to be the attitude, there would really be no need to concern yourself with instituting a government health care mandate.

Until there are no humans, let's have healthy ones.

 

[EatMorChikin]

And what happens to our GNP once we vacuum 11 million undocumented immigrants from the pay rolls?

Per capita GDP is all that matters, and that will go up.

Illegal aliens cost $130 billion each year. Trump's plan is a bargain.

I sure feel sorry for the kid and his parents of that disgusting avie you use.

You don't give a crap.

Who do you think you're fooling.

I used to. But you are right. I have lost interest in kids welfare...now I just find them annoying. [emoji38]

Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk

And what happens to our GNP once we vacuum 11 million undocumented immigrants from the pay rolls?

We have 90 million unemployed Americans to fill that. Nobody buys the bullshit!

"When analyzed from the vantage point of information derived from reputable, nonpartisan sources (the Pew Research Center, USDA, United States Department of Labor, and leading economists and researchers) then one can obtain a clearer view of this muddled discussion. The truth of the matter is that illegal immigrants are important to the U.S. economy, as well as vital to certain industries like agriculture.

According to the Pew Research Hispanic Trends Project, there were 8.4 million unauthorized immigrants employed in the U.S.; representing 5.2 percent of the U.S. labor force (an increase from 3.8 percent in 2000). Their importance was highlighted in a report by Texas Comptroller Susan Combs that stated, “Without the undocumented population, Texas’ work force would decrease by 6.3 percent” and Texas’ gross state product would decrease by 2.1 percent. Furthermore, certain segments of the U.S. economy, like agriculture, are entirely dependent upon illegal immigrants.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture states that, “about half of the hired workers employed in U.S. crop agriculture were unauthorized, with the overwhelming majority of these workers coming from Mexico.” The USDA has also warned that, “any potential immigration reform could have significant impacts on the U.S. fruit and vegetable industry.” From the perspective of National Milk Producers Federation in 2009, retail milk prices would increase by 61 percent if its immigrant labor force were to be eliminated.

Echoing the Department of Labor, the USDA, and the National Milk Producers Federation, agricultural labor economist James S. Holt made the following statement to Congress in 2007: “The reality, however, is that if we deported a substantial number of undocumented farm workers, there would be a tremendous labor shortage.”

In terms of overall numbers, The Department of Labor reports that of the 2.5 million farm workers in the U.S., over half (53 percent) are illegal immigrants. Growers and labor unions put this figure at 70 percent.

But what about the immense strain on social services and money spent on welfare for these law breakers? The Congressional Budget Office in 2007 answered this question in the following manner: “Over the past two decades, most efforts to estimate the fiscal impact of immigration in the United States have concluded that, in aggregate and over the long term, tax revenues of all types generated by immigrants—both legal and unauthorized—exceed the cost of the services they use.” According to the New York Times, the chief actuary of the Social Security Administration claims that undocumented workers have contributed close to 10% ($300 billion) of the Social Security Trust Fund."
Illegal immigrants benefit the U.S. economy

See this part..." in aggregate and over the long term, tax revenues of all types generated by immigrants—both legal and unauthorized—exceed the cost of the services they use." And that is just taxes. They also spend money that generates more economic activity.

I don't care about statistics, which come from a federal government who is flaunting our laws. And sorry, we have Americans to fill all those voids. And besides, they were illegal and should never have been counted on to help hols America up.

Are murderers and other criminals important to us as well? If we aren't enforcing laws, what business is it to even have a country. Would you prefer total annexation?

In other words, you believe what you believe regardless of the facts or the truth. What a fucking idiot.

I believe nothing any federal government entity tells me. The feds are the ones flaunting our laws, that alone is reason to disregard anything they tell you.