Trumps deportation plan would cost $100-$200 BILLION

[Boss]

And I gather you don't support treaties or trade agreements then...

I don't know what you mean... We haven't signed any kind of treaty or trade agreement which prohibits us from securing our southern border with Mexico. Applying a hefty trade tariff on Mexico to pay for a wall is not in violation of any treaty or trade agreement. AND... even IF some smart ass pinhead comes up with some way to manipulate things around and pretend that it IS a violation, we can ALWAYS amend or change the trade agreement... nothing is ever set in stone forevermore, including trade agreements.

So.... How much longer does this charade continue? Because we should all be adult enough to realize that YOU are NEVER going to go along with this, it doesn't matter what the arguments are or what is presented to you. We can go back and forth about this from now until the end of time, you're not going to ever change your mind. We have to defeat you politically and then we'll have to tolerate your vocal disapproval for many years while we build the damn wall... that's already a given, or it should be.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

And I gather you don't support treaties or trade agreements then...

Applying a hefty trade tariff on Mexico to pay for a wall is not in violation of any treaty or trade agreement.

Yes, it is...

"NAFTA is a comprehensive rules-based agreement among the United States, Canada, and Mexico that took effect January 1, 1994. It was signed by the governments of the United States, Mexico, and Canada in December 1992 and ratified by the U.S. Congress in November 1993. The Agreement eliminated many tariffs immediately while other tariffs will fall to zero over a 5 to 15 year period. This Agreement broadened and superseded the 1989 free trade agreement between the United States and Canada."
United States-Mexico Chamber of Commerce

 

[Boss]

How much profit is there in it for us?

Who has suggested anything regarding profit? This isn't a business venture.

You folks are literally cracking up before our very eyes... it's amazing!

Only a Social plan and no Capital plan? Doesn't that imply we need an avowed socialist and not an alleged capitalist to fill that position.

It's not a social plan or a capital plan. It's a sound plan by a sovereign government. No, we don't need an avowed socialist doing anything in this country... except maybe pushing up daisies. In fact-- IF you keep on fucking with us, we should pass a law to deport socialists.

 

[danielpalos]

How much profit is there in it for us?

Who has suggested anything regarding profit? This isn't a business venture.

You folks are literally cracking up before our very eyes... it's amazing!

Only a Social plan and no Capital plan? Doesn't that imply we need an avowed socialist and not an alleged capitalist to fill that position.

It's not a social plan or a capital plan. It's a sound plan by a sovereign government. No, we don't need an avowed socialist doing anything in this country... except maybe pushing up daisies. In fact-- IF you keep on fucking with us, we should pass a law to deport socialists.

Government is socialism; Mr. Trump claims to be able create a profit under Capitalism. What is our profit going to be from the Great Walls of America?

 

[charwin95]

I live about 35 miles from the border, and cross it regularly. I find it more than a little amusing that anyone would think that a fence would stop someone who has already made up his mind to walk for at least 3 days across a desert full of cactus and rattlesnakes, with little or no water and food, in scorching heat, with no shade, guide, or even a pair of boots. In AZ, we find about 200 bodies per year of those that fail to make it. It is beyond absurd. Besides that, few actually walk from the border to Phoenix. They are usually driven through the border in a truck or van and dropped off on the other side, to fend for themselves against the elements. Then, of course there is the other half of them who come over on visa's and simply don't go back. Down in Nogales, a bus fell through the pavement of a street, because it caused a tunnel under the border to collapse. The fact that China built the world's largest wall, which failed, over 1,000 years ago does not discourage Trump or his fans either.

The whole thing is just a continuation of the movement to keep the (Irish), (blacks), (Italians), (Chinese), (Jews), (Muslims), (Latinos) out.

Is there any other nation that provides taxpayer benefits to those immigrants who have extended their stay or violated their immigration laws? Yet, how many are able to do so without building a fence? We are living in a time where terrorists are looking for a way to infiltrate and hide within the United States with the predetermined notion of killing its citizens, however enforcement is not an option to many. The United States government is not a world charity organization for all who desire to sneak across our borders, we are a nation that lives and is governed by laws... it's time we start acting like one.

Well, that settles it, then. It is against the law to profile Latinos and pull them over and demand proof of citizenship, without probable cause that they committed a crime. If you don't believe me, ask Sheriff Joe. That being the case, Trump obviously has no plan on how to deport any of them that are not engaged in criminal activity.

Employers would be fined heavily for hiring illegals. When illegals show up to the welfare offices, an ICE officer would be there to help show them to the nearest police station. A great many would self deport as they did during Operation Wetback.

Since when an ICE will show up in any establishments. Self Deport that is a very big joke. If you are illegals are you going to the other side when no food, no land, no future. People are willing to sacrifice their life in coming to us and you expect them to a self deport? What a joke.

 

[Boss]

And I gather you don't support treaties or trade agreements then...

Applying a hefty trade tariff on Mexico to pay for a wall is not in violation of any treaty or trade agreement.

Yes, it is...

Well... No.... It's not.

 

[Vandalshandle]

"Employers would be fined heavily for hiring illegals. When illegals show up to the welfare offices, an ICE officer would be there to help show them to the nearest police station. A great many would self deport as they did during Operation Wetback."

And, we are already doing that, Jackson:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/06/us/06immig.html

 

[PaintMyHouse]

And I gather you don't support treaties or trade agreements then...

Applying a hefty trade tariff on Mexico to pay for a wall is not in violation of any treaty or trade agreement.

Yes, it is...

Well... No.... It's not.

See above. You can't just impose a tariff, just for the hell of it. Those days are over here.

 

[Vandalshandle]

I live about 35 miles from the border, and cross it regularly. I find it more than a little amusing that anyone would think that a fence would stop someone who has already made up his mind to walk for at least 3 days across a desert full of cactus and rattlesnakes, with little or no water and food, in scorching heat, with no shade, guide, or even a pair of boots. In AZ, we find about 200 bodies per year of those that fail to make it. It is beyond absurd. Besides that, few actually walk from the border to Phoenix. They are usually driven through the border in a truck or van and dropped off on the other side, to fend for themselves against the elements. Then, of course there is the other half of them who come over on visa's and simply don't go back. Down in Nogales, a bus fell through the pavement of a street, because it caused a tunnel under the border to collapse. The fact that China built the world's largest wall, which failed, over 1,000 years ago does not discourage Trump or his fans either.

The whole thing is just a continuation of the movement to keep the (Irish), (blacks), (Italians), (Chinese), (Jews), (Muslims), (Latinos) out.

"The whole thing is just a continuation of the movement to keep the (Irish), (blacks), (Italians), (Chinese), (Jews), (Muslims), (Latinos) out."

BULLSHIT! The whole thing is to manage the number of immigrants we take in, just like it has been for generations.
Your family immigrated from somewhere, part of mine did as did virtually all of someone in all of our family trees. The difference is we all did it the right way. These illegal immigrants are little more than invaders who've come to take advantage of our system and citizens.

Racist? BULLSHIT! (says the guy with the confederate flag avatar).

 

[Vandalshandle]

The problem Boss is just like others. You have this attitudes I want, I want, I want just like Paddy mentioned. Then you you and others keep saying I don't care, I don't care. When the fuck of the matter is you YOU don't have any specific how to handle this problem. You don't even understand the logistics. And yet you keep insisting the bullshit from this bullshiter.
Everyone wants to solve this problem. Now if you can tell us the specific how to solve this problem will be glad to shut.
For now, since you don't have any clue what you are talking about. Shut the fuck up.

Well if you go back and read the thread, you'll find that my assertion of what "I want" is presented in response to someone implying I wanted "to kick out brown people." Since that was NOT what I want, I felt strongly compelled to set the record straight. I'm sorry if my setting the record straight offended you in some way. As for now, we live in a free and open society and you do not have the authority to tell me to shut up.

Now... You want specifics...

We're going to build a wall across our southern border.
All logistics have been considered and it can be done.
This solves the problem of illegals crossing our southern border.
The wall will be paid for by Mexico who depend on US trade.

That's about as specific as we can be.

What kind of specific is that? It's like telling me. I'm going to stop the rain with a bucket. If you don't know just say so.
What made you think a wall will solve the problem?
You mentioned only WALL. I think the topic of this thread is about illegals. How about illegals that are here?

I really don't understand this continual clamoring for "specifics" when it has been presented about as specifically as it can be at this point. Do you need to know how many bags of concrete will be used? How much re-bar will be needed? Will it be a Corps of Engineers project or will we do contract bids? Well.. no one has all that laid out and settled yet but it's not a big deal. Nothing here is unprecedented or impossible. Walls have been built before... Great Walls!

What makes me think a wall would solve the problem? Well... Hmmm... maybe because walls are difficult to get over? And hey... if the wall is not too hard to get over, we can also plant some land mines... that's an option. What makes your retarded ass think a wall wouldn't stop illegal aliens from crossing our southern border?

I've already addressed illegals already here... When they break a law here, we fucking deport them like we're supposed to be doing. AFTER we have a wall built, we can look at what to do with the law-abiding illegals still here. We're not going to just give them a free amnesty pass... they will probably have to pay a fine and apply for citizenship. BUT... we're not even going to have that conversation until the wall is built. It's pointless.

That is the icing on the cake, Boss. anytime that someone starts talking about the US government planting land mines to stop people from committing misdemeanors, I know that their train left the baggage at the station. You have revealed all you need to say about yourself, now, and I am not going to take anything you say seriously from here on out.

 

[eagle1462010]

NAFTA is a Treaty.
To get rid of the Treaty it would have to go through the process to revoke it.......................
To stay in the Constitutional legal bounds......................

Funny thing is that Mr. Paint here brought it up while supporting a pen and a phone idiot in chief................who violates the laws as he pleases................
To cities who openly violate our immigration laws..........via sanctuary cities..................

We can build the walls.............YES WE CAN BITCHES........
We can force labor laws to include the e-verify system..........
We can cut off all aid to mexico.............
And under current ICE laws we can return to sender millions of illegals.

 

[Boss]

And I gather you don't support treaties or trade agreements then...

Applying a hefty trade tariff on Mexico to pay for a wall is not in violation of any treaty or trade agreement.

Yes, it is...

Well... No.... It's not.

See above. You can't just impose a tariff, just for the hell of it. Those days are over here.

Well it wouldn't be "for the hell of it". First of all, we may not even have to impose a tariff, the Mexican government might just write us a damn check! When President Trump explains to them how this is going to happen, and it would be in their best interest to avoid the tariffs... anything can happen.

I have a feeling what is "over here" is our country being run by feckless little wannabe socialists who are scared of their own shadow, telling us all how shitty things are going to be from now on. THAT is about to end!

 

[charwin95]

The problem Boss is just like others. You have this attitudes I want, I want, I want just like Paddy mentioned. Then you you and others keep saying I don't care, I don't care. When the fuck of the matter is you YOU don't have any specific how to handle this problem. You don't even understand the logistics. And yet you keep insisting the bullshit from this bullshiter.
Everyone wants to solve this problem. Now if you can tell us the specific how to solve this problem will be glad to shut.
For now, since you don't have any clue what you are talking about. Shut the fuck up.

Well if you go back and read the thread, you'll find that my assertion of what "I want" is presented in response to someone implying I wanted "to kick out brown people." Since that was NOT what I want, I felt strongly compelled to set the record straight. I'm sorry if my setting the record straight offended you in some way. As for now, we live in a free and open society and you do not have the authority to tell me to shut up.

Now... You want specifics...

We're going to build a wall across our southern border.
All logistics have been considered and it can be done.
This solves the problem of illegals crossing our southern border.
The wall will be paid for by Mexico who depend on US trade.

That's about as specific as we can be.

"We're going to build a wall across our southern border.
All logistics have been considered and it can be done.
This solves the problem of illegals crossing our southern border.
The wall will be paid for by Mexico who depend on US trade."

Nothing there is specific. What will it cost? How will it benefit us? No logistics have been considered. You just make shit up and post it. It will not solve the problem of illegals since close to 40% entered legally and stayed. And Mexico will not pay for it. We depend on their trade as much as they depend on ours and we currently have a treaty that cannot be abridged. The rest of this hemisphere would not stand for us trying to bully Mexico. Your posts reveal more and more stupidity on your part.

Puhleeze. The details aren't that important. it will solve 60% of the problem with illegals. That makes it more than worth doing. No one has claimed that the wall will solve the entire problem. That's purely an diversion by open borders/amnesty assholes who want to destroy this country.

And, no, we don't depend on trade with them as much as they depend on trade with us. Only a fool would make such a claim. America is the biggest market in the world, and cutting yourself off from that market is economic suicide.

Any treaty can be abridged. All we have to do is quit respecting the treaty. What is the rest of the hemisphere going to do about it, have a big temper tantrum? What leverage do the hold over us?

Almost everything you post is so stupid an 8-year-old child could see through it.

Good god. Cutting them off from this market would harm US too. We have exported 117 billion to Mexico so far this year. They have exported 145 billion to us. And you think ending that trade will not effect us?

It isn't ending that trade, it is altering the trade agreements so the US does not experience the deficit.

Well, that is not what your beer buddies here are telling to the internet. Fuck Mexican govt. we don't need them. We only do very small business in Mexico etc. etc. we can built then cheaper.
You want to alternate the existing trade agreement because it's no to your advantage? Let me make it simpler. We Americans need specific how to get this done. Not just blanked saying I will renegotiate.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

NAFTA is a Treaty.
To get rid of the Treaty it would have to go through the process to revoke it.......................
To stay in the Constitutional legal bounds......................

Funny thing is that Mr. Paint here brought it up while supporting a pen and a phone idiot in chief................who violates the laws as he pleases................
To cities who openly violate our immigration laws..........via sanctuary cities..................

We can build the walls.............YES WE CAN BITCHES........
We can force labor laws to include the e-verify system..........
We can cut off all aid to mexico.............
And under current ICE laws we can return to sender millions of illegals.

Sanctuary cities aren't illegal. it's not illegal to not tell what you didn't ask in the first place.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Build the wall. I just hope that the Mexicans and other Latinos don't discover shovels and ladders....

 

[PaintMyHouse]

US-Mexico trade BTW, a bit over half a trillion, a year.

 

[charwin95]

The problem Boss is just like others. You have this attitudes I want, I want, I want just like Paddy mentioned. Then you you and others keep saying I don't care, I don't care. When the fuck of the matter is you YOU don't have any specific how to handle this problem. You don't even understand the logistics. And yet you keep insisting the bullshit from this bullshiter.
Everyone wants to solve this problem. Now if you can tell us the specific how to solve this problem will be glad to shut.
For now, since you don't have any clue what you are talking about. Shut the fuck up.

Well if you go back and read the thread, you'll find that my assertion of what "I want" is presented in response to someone implying I wanted "to kick out brown people." Since that was NOT what I want, I felt strongly compelled to set the record straight. I'm sorry if my setting the record straight offended you in some way. As for now, we live in a free and open society and you do not have the authority to tell me to shut up.

Now... You want specifics...

We're going to build a wall across our southern border.
All logistics have been considered and it can be done.
This solves the problem of illegals crossing our southern border.
The wall will be paid for by Mexico who depend on US trade.

That's about as specific as we can be.

"We're going to build a wall across our southern border.
All logistics have been considered and it can be done.
This solves the problem of illegals crossing our southern border.
The wall will be paid for by Mexico who depend on US trade."

Nothing there is specific. What will it cost? How will it benefit us? No logistics have been considered. You just make shit up and post it. It will not solve the problem of illegals since close to 40% entered legally and stayed. And Mexico will not pay for it. We depend on their trade as much as they depend on ours and we currently have a treaty that cannot be abridged. The rest of this hemisphere would not stand for us trying to bully Mexico. Your posts reveal more and more stupidity on your part.

We don't need trade from Mexico. Anything we build in Mexico can be built here, just cost a bit more. We don't sell much shit over there so fuck it, screw em, and charge em. And your 40% entered legally is a bullshit outdated number that doesn't take into consideration how it's happening in the current situation. And if true gives us reason to stop letting them in legally too.

Our trade with Mexico amounts to over 300 billion, 117 billion in shit we sell over there, and you think we do not need that trade. How fucking stupid do you have to be to make that comment.

The other $200 billion is shit they sell to us. There's nothing Mexico produces that we can't purchase elsewhere. ON the other hand, a $200 billion hit to their exports would devastate their economy. They need us far more than we need them. Any claims to the contrary are worse than stupid.

You are now a fucking trade expert. Produced some where? There's a big economic reason why mfr. goes to Mexico or China. We do not like the trade agreement will built in US or somewhere. Do you even understand the implications and consequences?

 

[Boss]

NAFTA is a Treaty.
To get rid of the Treaty it would have to go through the process to revoke it.......................
To stay in the Constitutional legal bounds......................

This is a ruse.. NAFTA doesn't prohibit tariffs. Building a wall and forcing Mexico to pay for it through tariffs is not in violation of any aspect regarding NAFTA. Our trade agreements do not prevent us from securing our borders. This is actually a national security issue, and even IF it violated NAFTA, the Commander in Chief can act unilaterally to uphold his Constitutional obligations to protect the citizenry. He doesn't even have to go through Congress to do this, although he probably would.

 

[charwin95]

The problem Boss is just like others. You have this attitudes I want, I want, I want just like Paddy mentioned. Then you you and others keep saying I don't care, I don't care. When the fuck of the matter is you YOU don't have any specific how to handle this problem. You don't even understand the logistics. And yet you keep insisting the bullshit from this bullshiter.
Everyone wants to solve this problem. Now if you can tell us the specific how to solve this problem will be glad to shut.
For now, since you don't have any clue what you are talking about. Shut the fuck up.

Well if you go back and read the thread, you'll find that my assertion of what "I want" is presented in response to someone implying I wanted "to kick out brown people." Since that was NOT what I want, I felt strongly compelled to set the record straight. I'm sorry if my setting the record straight offended you in some way. As for now, we live in a free and open society and you do not have the authority to tell me to shut up.

Now... You want specifics...

We're going to build a wall across our southern border.
All logistics have been considered and it can be done.
This solves the problem of illegals crossing our southern border.
The wall will be paid for by Mexico who depend on US trade.

That's about as specific as we can be.

"We're going to build a wall across our southern border.
All logistics have been considered and it can be done.
This solves the problem of illegals crossing our southern border.
The wall will be paid for by Mexico who depend on US trade."

Nothing there is specific. What will it cost? How will it benefit us? No logistics have been considered. You just make shit up and post it. It will not solve the problem of illegals since close to 40% entered legally and stayed. And Mexico will not pay for it. We depend on their trade as much as they depend on ours and we currently have a treaty that cannot be abridged. The rest of this hemisphere would not stand for us trying to bully Mexico. Your posts reveal more and more stupidity on your part.

Puhleeze. The details aren't that important. it will solve 60% of the problem with illegals. That makes it more than worth doing. No one has claimed that the wall will solve the entire problem. That's purely an diversion by open borders/amnesty assholes who want to destroy this country.

And, no, we don't depend on trade with them as much as they depend on trade with us. Only a fool would make such a claim. America is the biggest market in the world, and cutting yourself off from that market is economic suicide.

Any treaty can be abridged. All we have to do is quit respecting the treaty. What is the rest of the hemisphere going to do about it, have a big temper tantrum? What leverage do the hold over us?

Almost everything you post is so stupid an 8-year-old child could see through it.

Good god. Cutting them off from this market would harm US too. We have exported 117 billion to Mexico so far this year. They have exported 145 billion to us. And you think ending that trade will not effect us?

It would annoy us. It would devastate them.

Who do you think you're kidding?

No. It would devastate us and it would devastate them. It's $117 billions not $117. Hundred.
You are now a trade expert and economy expert. Who do you think you are kidding? You are far beyond stupid.

 

[eagle1462010]

NAFTA is a Treaty.
To get rid of the Treaty it would have to go through the process to revoke it.......................
To stay in the Constitutional legal bounds......................

Funny thing is that Mr. Paint here brought it up while supporting a pen and a phone idiot in chief................who violates the laws as he pleases................
To cities who openly violate our immigration laws..........via sanctuary cities..................

We can build the walls.............YES WE CAN BITCHES........
We can force labor laws to include the e-verify system..........
We can cut off all aid to mexico.............
And under current ICE laws we can return to sender millions of illegals.

Sanctuary cities aren't illegal. it's not illegal to not tell what you didn't ask in the first place.