Trumps deportation plan would cost $100-$200 BILLION

[PaintMyHouse]

Yes, the build plants in Mexico and China because labor is cheaper there. However, after we impose a 50% tariff on Mexico, it won't be cheaper any longer.

NAFTA makes that idea impossible, utterly...

Simple solution: rescind NAFTA.

Yeah, good luck with that eh...

 

[bripat9643]

US-Mexico trade BTW, a bit over half a trillion, a year.

We only exported $223 billion to Mexico in 2013,

 

[bripat9643]

Yes, the build plants in Mexico and China because labor is cheaper there. However, after we impose a 50% tariff on Mexico, it won't be cheaper any longer.

NAFTA makes that idea impossible, utterly...

Simple solution: rescind NAFTA.

Yeah, good luck with that eh...

Do you actually believe NAFTA can't be rescinded?

 

[bripat9643]

Well if you go back and read the thread, you'll find that my assertion of what "I want" is presented in response to someone implying I wanted "to kick out brown people." Since that was NOT what I want, I felt strongly compelled to set the record straight. I'm sorry if my setting the record straight offended you in some way. As for now, we live in a free and open society and you do not have the authority to tell me to shut up.

Now... You want specifics...

We're going to build a wall across our southern border.
All logistics have been considered and it can be done.
This solves the problem of illegals crossing our southern border.
The wall will be paid for by Mexico who depend on US trade.

That's about as specific as we can be.

"We're going to build a wall across our southern border.
All logistics have been considered and it can be done.
This solves the problem of illegals crossing our southern border.
The wall will be paid for by Mexico who depend on US trade."

Nothing there is specific. What will it cost? How will it benefit us? No logistics have been considered. You just make shit up and post it. It will not solve the problem of illegals since close to 40% entered legally and stayed. And Mexico will not pay for it. We depend on their trade as much as they depend on ours and we currently have a treaty that cannot be abridged. The rest of this hemisphere would not stand for us trying to bully Mexico. Your posts reveal more and more stupidity on your part.

Puhleeze. The details aren't that important. it will solve 60% of the problem with illegals. That makes it more than worth doing. No one has claimed that the wall will solve the entire problem. That's purely an diversion by open borders/amnesty assholes who want to destroy this country.

And, no, we don't depend on trade with them as much as they depend on trade with us. Only a fool would make such a claim. America is the biggest market in the world, and cutting yourself off from that market is economic suicide.

Any treaty can be abridged. All we have to do is quit respecting the treaty. What is the rest of the hemisphere going to do about it, have a big temper tantrum? What leverage do the hold over us?

Almost everything you post is so stupid an 8-year-old child could see through it.

Good god. Cutting them off from this market would harm US too. We have exported 117 billion to Mexico so far this year. They have exported 145 billion to us. And you think ending that trade will not effect us?

It would annoy us. It would devastate them.

Who do you think you're kidding?

No. It would devastate us and it would devastate them. It's $117 billions not $117. Hundred.
You are now a trade expert and economy expert. Who do you think you are kidding? You are far beyond stupid.

$117 billion is nothing in terms of U.S. trade.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Congress has plenary power. It does not matter WHAT SCOTUS rules. It has never made a ruling that confers citizenship on children born to illegal aliens. Never!

Yes, it has. It knew of the issue, and did not care. Read the dissent in Wong, written by the people who lost. It makes no difference how you got here, only were you born here.

You don't know what you are talking about. I just posted the resource itself... the Constitution and 14th Amendment, telling you clearly that Congress has plenary power. This is not a power SCOTUS has. It's in the Constitution. Clearly. Both in Article 1 and in the 14th itself.

It is a matter of statutory policy. Congress doesn't even have to pass legislation, they can probably issue a joint resolution to make this issue clear for those who don't comprehend. Birthright Citizenship under the 14th Amendment is a myth.

What you post is nonsense, utterly: United States v. Wong Kim Ark | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute

Read the case, especially the dissent. It mentions your issue, which was ruled against.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Yes, the build plants in Mexico and China because labor is cheaper there. However, after we impose a 50% tariff on Mexico, it won't be cheaper any longer.

NAFTA makes that idea impossible, utterly...

Simple solution: rescind NAFTA.

Yeah, good luck with that eh...

Do you actually believe NAFTA can't be rescinded?

At this point, not a chance in hell. Half a trillion a year isn't going to be messed with.

 

[bripat9643]

NAFTA is a Treaty.
To get rid of the Treaty it would have to go through the process to revoke it.......................
To stay in the Constitutional legal bounds......................

Funny thing is that Mr. Paint here brought it up while supporting a pen and a phone idiot in chief................who violates the laws as he pleases................
To cities who openly violate our immigration laws..........via sanctuary cities..................

We can build the walls.............YES WE CAN BITCHES........
We can force labor laws to include the e-verify system..........
We can cut off all aid to mexico.............
And under current ICE laws we can return to sender millions of illegals.

Sanctuary cities aren't illegal. it's not illegal to not tell what you didn't ask in the first place.

Only a moron would claim they aren't illegal. They are a clear violation of federal law.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

US-Mexico trade BTW, a bit over half a trillion, a year.

We only exported $223 billion to Mexico in 2013,

Trade goes both ways, dummy...

 

[bripat9643]

Yes, the build plants in Mexico and China because labor is cheaper there. However, after we impose a 50% tariff on Mexico, it won't be cheaper any longer.

NAFTA makes that idea impossible, utterly...

Simple solution: rescind NAFTA.

Yeah, good luck with that eh...

Do you actually believe NAFTA can't be rescinded?

At this point, not a chance in hell. Half a trillion a year isn't going to be messed with.

It's no where near half a trillion, and trade wouldn't disappear simply because we imposed a tariff on Mexico.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

NAFTA is a Treaty.
To get rid of the Treaty it would have to go through the process to revoke it.......................
To stay in the Constitutional legal bounds......................

Funny thing is that Mr. Paint here brought it up while supporting a pen and a phone idiot in chief................who violates the laws as he pleases................
To cities who openly violate our immigration laws..........via sanctuary cities..................

We can build the walls.............YES WE CAN BITCHES........
We can force labor laws to include the e-verify system..........
We can cut off all aid to mexico.............
And under current ICE laws we can return to sender millions of illegals.

Sanctuary cities aren't illegal. it's not illegal to not tell what you didn't ask in the first place.

Only a moron would claim they aren't illegal. They are a clear violation of federal law.

Not asking is not a violation. Not telling or cooperating can be but not, not asking...

 

[bripat9643]

US-Mexico trade BTW, a bit over half a trillion, a year.

We only exported $223 billion to Mexico in 2013,

Trade goes both ways, dummy...

True, but the trade in our direction provides jobs to Mexicans, not Americans, so why should we care about that?

 

[bripat9643]

US-Mexico trade BTW, a bit over half a trillion, a year.

Largely favoring Mexico..........
Most of our trade south for stuff like auto parts to build and assemble for sale in the United States.......
It would be their main loss and not ours.

It would pressure them to help secure the dang border.

You are the one with a border issue, not them.

They are the ones who are going to suffer when we impose a tariff on them.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

NAFTA makes that idea impossible, utterly...

Simple solution: rescind NAFTA.

Yeah, good luck with that eh...

Do you actually believe NAFTA can't be rescinded?

At this point, not a chance in hell. Half a trillion a year isn't going to be messed with.

It's no where near half a trillion, and trade wouldn't disappear simply because we imposed a tariff on Mexico.

Sigh:

"Bilateral Trade

The United States is Mexico’s largest trading partner, buying 77.5% of Mexican exports in 2012. Total U.S. goods trade with Mexico equaled USD 493 billion in 2012; 7% more than in 2011. Mexico exports more to the United States in goods and services in just over a month than it does in one year to the 27 countries of the European Union."
U.S.-Mexico At a Glance | Embassy of the United States Mexico City, Mexico

 

[PaintMyHouse]

They are the ones who are going to suffer when we impose a tariff on them.

Since you can't that is of very little concern.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

US-Mexico trade BTW, a bit over half a trillion, a year.

We only exported $223 billion to Mexico in 2013,

Trade goes both ways, dummy...

True, but the trade in our direction provides jobs to Mexicans, not Americans, so why should we care about that?

The jobs are like the trade, it goes both ways, dummy.

 

[Vandalshandle]

I thought it to be appropriate to quote the 14th amendment wording, so that it's myth can be exposed:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

14th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America.

 

[bripat9643]

I live about 35 miles from the border, and cross it regularly. I find it more than a little amusing that anyone would think that a fence would stop someone who has already made up his mind to walk for at least 3 days across a desert full of cactus and rattlesnakes, with little or no water and food, in scorching heat, with no shade, guide, or even a pair of boots. In AZ, we find about 200 bodies per year of those that fail to make it. It is beyond absurd. Besides that, few actually walk from the border to Phoenix. They are usually driven through the border in a truck or van and dropped off on the other side, to fend for themselves against the elements. Then, of course there is the other half of them who come over on visa's and simply don't go back. Down in Nogales, a bus fell through the pavement of a street, because it caused a tunnel under the border to collapse. The fact that China built the world's largest wall, which failed, over 1,000 years ago does not discourage Trump or his fans either.

The whole thing is just a continuation of the movement to keep the (Irish), (blacks), (Italians), (Chinese), (Jews), (Muslims), (Latinos) out.

Is there any other nation that provides taxpayer benefits to those immigrants who have extended their stay or violated their immigration laws? Yet, how many are able to do so without building a fence? We are living in a time where terrorists are looking for a way to infiltrate and hide within the United States with the predetermined notion of killing its citizens, however enforcement is not an option to many. The United States government is not a world charity organization for all who desire to sneak across our borders, we are a nation that lives and is governed by laws... it's time we start acting like one.

Well, that settles it, then. It is against the law to profile Latinos and pull them over and demand proof of citizenship, without probable cause that they committed a crime. If you don't believe me, ask Sheriff Joe. That being the case, Trump obviously has no plan on how to deport any of them that are not engaged in criminal activity.

If illegals are suspected to work at a specific sight or through an employer, government agents have every right under their authority of upholding "the law", to go in and investigate the same as officers that enforce our drug laws. We don't offer them asylum like sanctuary cities and give excuses to ignore the law

The open borders assholes think that's acting like the Gestapo.

Can you believe these morons? Perhaps we shouldn't arrest drug dealers and throw them in prison because that would separate them from their children!

No moron. Read your post if that will make any sense to you.
All I mean all when someone commit a felony will be arrested and put to jail. You are talking illegals that are drug dealers and killers.
We are talking about 40 millions of people that you are going eliminate.

They aren't going to be "eliminated." The are going to be sent back where they came from. You oppose that because it would "break up families." Well, putting muggers, armed robbers and drug dealers also breaks up families. IF that's your justification for letting illegals stay, then it's also an argument for not locking up felons of various types.

 

[bripat9643]

US-Mexico trade BTW, a bit over half a trillion, a year.

We only exported $223 billion to Mexico in 2013,

Trade goes both ways, dummy...

True, but the trade in our direction provides jobs to Mexicans, not Americans, so why should we care about that?

The jobs are like the trade, it goes both ways, dummy.

if the imports stop, then the jobs come back here. Pretty simple, really.

We don't need trade with Mexico. It's as simple as that. We have the leverage in this situation. They got nothing except poverty.

 

[bripat9643]

NAFTA is a Treaty.
To get rid of the Treaty it would have to go through the process to revoke it.......................
To stay in the Constitutional legal bounds......................

Funny thing is that Mr. Paint here brought it up while supporting a pen and a phone idiot in chief................who violates the laws as he pleases................
To cities who openly violate our immigration laws..........via sanctuary cities..................

We can build the walls.............YES WE CAN BITCHES........
We can force labor laws to include the e-verify system..........
We can cut off all aid to mexico.............
And under current ICE laws we can return to sender millions of illegals.

Sanctuary cities aren't illegal. it's not illegal to not tell what you didn't ask in the first place.

Only a moron would claim they aren't illegal. They are a clear violation of federal law.

Not asking is not a violation. Not telling or cooperating can be but not, not asking...

They do a lo more than not asking. Furthermore, they are required to report any illegals they apprehend to the feds, so "not asking" is a violation.

 

[bripat9643]

Bripat From your post #1012.
Thousands of illegals deported each year is correct. However most or all are illegals caught crossing the borders. We are talking 11 millions or more that you are trying to eliminate.
All kids born in this country are US citizens. Maybe you are not aware that all kids born in this country are us citizens.

Sorry, but plenty of legal scholars disagree, and the Senator who wrote the 14th Amendment disagrees.

You can fuck the senators if you want but that is the law of the land. Either you like it or not. If the senators that wrote this law didn't agree so why in the world they made that law to begin with.

It's only your opinion that it's the law of the land.