Trumps deportation plan would cost $100-$200 BILLION

[PaintMyHouse]

NAFTA is a Treaty.
To get rid of the Treaty it would have to go through the process to revoke it.......................
To stay in the Constitutional legal bounds......................

Funny thing is that Mr. Paint here brought it up while supporting a pen and a phone idiot in chief................who violates the laws as he pleases................
To cities who openly violate our immigration laws..........via sanctuary cities..................

We can build the walls.............YES WE CAN BITCHES........
We can force labor laws to include the e-verify system..........
We can cut off all aid to mexico.............
And under current ICE laws we can return to sender millions of illegals.

Sanctuary cities aren't illegal. it's not illegal to not tell what you didn't ask in the first place.

Only a moron would claim they aren't illegal. They are a clear violation of federal law.

Not asking is not a violation. Not telling or cooperating can be but not, not asking...

They do a lo more than not asking. Furthermore, they are required to report any illegals they apprehend to the feds, so "not asking" is a violation.

No, it isn't. This guy is not responsible for immigration enforcement:

And he can be told, legally, not to ask.

 

[bripat9643]

US-Mexico trade BTW, a bit over half a trillion, a year.

Largely favoring Mexico..........
Most of our trade south for stuff like auto parts to build and assemble for sale in the United States.......
It would be their main loss and not ours.

It would pressure them to help secure the dang border.

You are the one with a border issue, not them.

I don't think these people understand that.

Yes, we do understand it. That's why we are going to make it their problem.

 

[danielpalos]

Thank you and I agree but we are talking about kids from illegals that are born in the USA.

They are not covered by the 14th Amendment.

Congress has plenary power to determine what 'naturalization' means, not SCOTUS... and SCOTUS has never ruled on children of illegal aliens anyway. I don't understand how this has become a Constitutional question for the left. It's as if they believe some ruling has happened to confer citizenship on anchor babies and this simply hasn't happened. Does't matter if it DID happen... Congress has plenary power. It's a non issue!

How does that work for a Person born in our several and sovereign States? They have no control over immigration since 1808; thus, anyone born in our several and sovereign States is a citizen of that State.

 

[bripat9643]

It is too bad that Trump is not running for office in the legislative branch...especially since everything he has come up with requires congressional action, and is not under the authority of the Executive branch.

It requires a president who won't veto it, so what would be the point of passing legislation if we ended up with Hillary for president?

You people are so stupid it must hurt.

 

[bripat9643]

Bripat From your post #1012.
Thousands of illegals deported each year is correct. However most or all are illegals caught crossing the borders. We are talking 11 millions or more that you are trying to eliminate.
All kids born in this country are US citizens. Maybe you are not aware that all kids born in this country are us citizens.

Not all, just very, very close to all...

Can you tell me which are not?

The children of those with Diplomatic Immunity for example. They are not under our jurisdiction. The children of those made during armed combat on American soil wouldn't be either. Same reason.

Neither are illegal aliens.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Bripat From your post #1012.
Thousands of illegals deported each year is correct. However most or all are illegals caught crossing the borders. We are talking 11 millions or more that you are trying to eliminate.
All kids born in this country are US citizens. Maybe you are not aware that all kids born in this country are us citizens.

Not all, just very, very close to all...

Can you tell me which are not?

The children of those with Diplomatic Immunity for example. They are not under our jurisdiction. The children of those made during armed combat on American soil wouldn't be either. Same reason.

Neither are illegal aliens.

Wrong, entirely, or we wouldn't have them in our courts and jails...

 

[bripat9643]

Largely favoring Mexico..........
Most of our trade south for stuff like auto parts to build and assemble for sale in the United States.......
It would be their main loss and not ours.

It would pressure them to help secure the dang border.

You are the one with a border issue, not them.

They would be the ones with an economic issue not us if we hit them with high tariffs and pulled our funding and aid to them...........
pawn to knights four bitch.

How lucky for them then, that you can't hit them with tariffs.

Well we could just do it via other means the way your side does it all the time.................pen and a phone...........your product violates the EPA regulations..........
With 90000 pages of regulations you guys love we could tie it up in court for years while we refuse entry of products from their country and PLAY BY YOUR RULES.......................

Or just ignore it and say fuck it and do it............and piss everyone off..........................It's what you guys do all the time..........maybe it's time for a dose of your own medicine.

Trade agreements actually matter, but not to you. That's alright, you guys aren't known for keeping your word, or a deal...

Whether they "matter" isn't the issue. Whether we can throw them on the scrap heap is indisputable. We can.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

You are the one with a border issue, not them.

They would be the ones with an economic issue not us if we hit them with high tariffs and pulled our funding and aid to them...........
pawn to knights four bitch.

How lucky for them then, that you can't hit them with tariffs.

Well we could just do it via other means the way your side does it all the time.................pen and a phone...........your product violates the EPA regulations..........
With 90000 pages of regulations you guys love we could tie it up in court for years while we refuse entry of products from their country and PLAY BY YOUR RULES.......................

Or just ignore it and say fuck it and do it............and piss everyone off..........................It's what you guys do all the time..........maybe it's time for a dose of your own medicine.

Trade agreements actually matter, but not to you. That's alright, you guys aren't known for keeping your word, or a deal...

Whether they "matter" isn't the issue. Whether we can throw them on the scrap heap is indisputable. We can.

Good luck with that, you'll need it.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yup, babies born to parents who are subject to the jurisdiction of the US are citizens . . . .

 

[bripat9643]

It is too bad that Trump is not running for office in the legislative branch...especially since everything he has come up with requires congressional action, and is not under the authority of the Executive branch.

If Trump wins the presidency on the promise to build the wall, there will be legislation passed in Congress to build the wall. Remember...elections have consequences? In fact... should Trump win by what could be defined as a "mandate" amount, there will not be many in Congress who will oppose the wall. Politicians are not all stupid... some of them understand how to survive. By the time we get to this point, even the pinheads on this board will be concocting some kind of way to backtrack and claim you've always been in favor of the wall.

But I have to say, it is monumentally hilarious to me how libtards are suddenly discovering separation of powers and the limitations of the executive branch... that's just really funny to me for some reason.

All of a sudden the Constitution isn't flexible.

US-Mexico trade BTW, a bit over half a trillion, a year.

Largely favoring Mexico..........
Most of our trade south for stuff like auto parts to build and assemble for sale in the United States.......
It would be their main loss and not ours.

It would pressure them to help secure the dang border.

You are the one with a border issue, not them.

They would be the ones with an economic issue not us if we hit them with high tariffs and pulled our funding and aid to them...........
pawn to knights four bitch.

What made you think they will not retaliate by hitting us with higher tariffs. This will hurt both countries.
Let me make it simpler. If I sell you (US) a cow and I (Mexico) buy your steak. You increase my tariffs of selling you the cow I will also increase my tariffs to compensate for the lost.

As I have pointed out repeatedly, it will hurt them a lot worse than it hurts us. We have the leverage. They don't

End of story.

 

[bripat9643]

Well, that is not what your beer buddies here are telling to the internet. Fuck Mexican govt. we don't need them. We only do very small business in Mexico etc. etc. we can built then cheaper.
You want to alternate the existing trade agreement because it's no to your advantage? Let me make it simpler. We Americans need specific how to get this done. Not just blanked saying I will renegotiate.

I can't speak for beer drinking buddies of the poster you are addressing but I've not said "fuck mexico we don't need them." I certainly haven't claimed we could build things cheaper... that is insane... we can't. Not unless you want to eliminate labor unions and the minimum wage... THEN we might be able to build things cheaper. We can't compete with the cost of labor anywhere, that is what has happened to all our decent-paying jobs.

Now... We have a problem with "free trade" because it's not fair to us right now... we can't compete because we're not on a level field. It's not because "free trade" is bad... it's not bad as long as it's fair.... when it's unfair, it's very bad. So why is it unfair? Because we've had our trade agreements negotiated by idiots, political hacks or "nice guys and gals" instead of 'killers' in negotiation. So we now have a collection of "deals" that have been made, which screw us. And... someone comes along and says the way we have to fix this is to renegotiate our deals... and you think that is "crazy talk!"

So what do you propose we do? I mean... I guess we can elect Hillary who is bought and paid for by lobbyists and corporatists who are making a fortune off our trade deals? Ignore the problem some more and pretend it's all the fault of those "evil rich people" and we need to tax them more and put more socialist burden on capitalism... is that your plan?

As you agreed we can't compete with other countries because of cheaper labor.
However re-negotiate a current agreement because we didn't like it or not to our advantage. Is a lot easier to say than done.
1. All 11 to 40 millions of illegals should be deported.
2. I will re-negotiate the trade agreement if they don't. I will penalized them.
The biggest problem for people like me or many others that rely on facts is. HOW, WHAT and WHERE are the specifics in accomplishing these kind of wet dreams? Not just saying. I will do this and that. He might as well say, I will stop the Niagara Falls using a bucket.
The very sad and very shocking but lots of people are buying into this like you.

You don't give a damn about the specifics. You're just trying to create another excuse for doing nothing. You're an open-borders/amnesty asshole who doesn't give a flying fuck about American workers, especially your children and grand children. All you care about is gaining power for your filthy party.

 

[MaryL]

Dubious numbers at best. But regardless, a wise investment. The U.S. Government always seems to have money for everything. So why not this?

And Trump should go forward with requesting Mexico contribute to the costs. Mexico has played a big part in creating this awful mess. It's time to do the right thing. Time to pick up part of the tab.

The results would be priceless. Illegal Mexicans have a lot to answer for. And what is wrong Mexicans paying for the damage they cause? I am loving this

NOt including the fence, that Mexico does not have the money to pay for, and would not pay for, even if they did, especially since a large % of illegals are from other countries.

"Back in 2011, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) deputy director Kumar Kibble said it costs $12,500 to deport an individual undocumented immigrant.

So when you multiply that cost for the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the U.S., that comes to $137.5 billion."


Donald Trump s Deportation Plan Would Cost 100-200 Billion - NBC News

So? What is the cost of illegals? Our culture, that is what. How much is that worth? A bazillion dollars. What is culture worth? All they have to do is follow the rules and immigrate. Legally.And that doesn't cost us taxpayers a thin nickle.

 

[JakeStarkey]

 

[bripat9643]

Yes, the build plants in Mexico and China because labor is cheaper there. However, after we impose a 50% tariff on Mexico, it won't be cheaper any longer.

NAFTA makes that idea impossible, utterly...

Simple solution: rescind NAFTA.

Yeah, good luck with that eh...

Do you actually believe NAFTA can't be rescinded?

At this point, not a chance in hell. Half a trillion a year isn't going to be messed with.

Sure it will. It has been in the past, and when there's a good reason, like uncontrolled illegal immigration, it will be again.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Dubious numbers at best. But regardless, a wise investment. The U.S. Government always seems to have money for everything. So why not this?

And Trump should go forward with requesting Mexico contribute to the costs. Mexico has played a big part in creating this awful mess. It's time to do the right thing. Time to pick up part of the tab.

The results would be priceless. Illegal Mexicans have a lot to answer for. And what is wrong Mexicans paying for the damage they cause? I am loving this

NOt including the fence, that Mexico does not have the money to pay for, and would not pay for, even if they did, especially since a large % of illegals are from other countries.

"Back in 2011, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) deputy director Kumar Kibble said it costs $12,500 to deport an individual undocumented immigrant.

So when you multiply that cost for the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the U.S., that comes to $137.5 billion."


Donald Trump s Deportation Plan Would Cost 100-200 Billion - NBC News

So? What is the cost of illegals? Our culture, that is what. How much is that worth? A bazillion dollars. What is culture worth? Al;l they have to do is follow the rules and immigrate. Legally.And that doesn't cost us taxpayers a thin nickle.

Our culture is being threatened? What's the matter? Afraid that Maricha music will eclipse Hip-hop?

 

[bripat9643]

NAFTA is a Treaty.
To get rid of the Treaty it would have to go through the process to revoke it.......................
To stay in the Constitutional legal bounds......................

Funny thing is that Mr. Paint here brought it up while supporting a pen and a phone idiot in chief................who violates the laws as he pleases................
To cities who openly violate our immigration laws..........via sanctuary cities..................

We can build the walls.............YES WE CAN BITCHES........
We can force labor laws to include the e-verify system..........
We can cut off all aid to mexico.............
And under current ICE laws we can return to sender millions of illegals.

Sanctuary cities aren't illegal. it's not illegal to not tell what you didn't ask in the first place.

Only a moron would claim they aren't illegal. They are a clear violation of federal law.

Not asking is not a violation. Not telling or cooperating can be but not, not asking...

Not asking is the same as not telling.

 

[bripat9643]

NAFTA is a Treaty.
To get rid of the Treaty it would have to go through the process to revoke it.......................
To stay in the Constitutional legal bounds......................

Funny thing is that Mr. Paint here brought it up while supporting a pen and a phone idiot in chief................who violates the laws as he pleases................
To cities who openly violate our immigration laws..........via sanctuary cities..................

We can build the walls.............YES WE CAN BITCHES........
We can force labor laws to include the e-verify system..........
We can cut off all aid to mexico.............
And under current ICE laws we can return to sender millions of illegals.

Sanctuary cities aren't illegal. it's not illegal to not tell what you didn't ask in the first place.

Only a moron would claim they aren't illegal. They are a clear violation of federal law.

Not asking is not a violation. Not telling or cooperating can be but not, not asking...

They do a lo more than not asking. Furthermore, they are required to report any illegals they apprehend to the feds, so "not asking" is a violation.

No, it isn't. This guy is not responsible for immigration enforcement:

And he can be told, legally, not to ask.

He can only be told by the feds, not local governments.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Dubious numbers at best. But regardless, a wise investment. The U.S. Government always seems to have money for everything. So why not this?

And Trump should go forward with requesting Mexico contribute to the costs. Mexico has played a big part in creating this awful mess. It's time to do the right thing. Time to pick up part of the tab.

The results would be priceless. Illegal Mexicans have a lot to answer for. And what is wrong Mexicans paying for the damage they cause? I am loving this

NOt including the fence, that Mexico does not have the money to pay for, and would not pay for, even if they did, especially since a large % of illegals are from other countries.

"Back in 2011, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) deputy director Kumar Kibble said it costs $12,500 to deport an individual undocumented immigrant.

So when you multiply that cost for the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the U.S., that comes to $137.5 billion."


Donald Trump s Deportation Plan Would Cost 100-200 Billion - NBC News

So? What is the cost of illegals? Our culture, that is what. How much is that worth? A bazillion dollars. What is culture worth? Al;l they have to do is follow the rules and immigrate. Legally.And that doesn't cost us taxpayers a thin nickle.

Our culture is being threatened? What's the matter? Afraid that Maricha music will eclipse Hip-hop?

This terror must be stopped, at all costs.

And it could use a bath, and a diaper change.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Sanctuary cities aren't illegal. it's not illegal to not tell what you didn't ask in the first place.

Only a moron would claim they aren't illegal. They are a clear violation of federal law.

Not asking is not a violation. Not telling or cooperating can be but not, not asking...

They do a lo more than not asking. Furthermore, they are required to report any illegals they apprehend to the feds, so "not asking" is a violation.

No, it isn't. This guy is not responsible for immigration enforcement:

And he can be told, legally, not to ask.

He can only be told by the feds, not local governments.

That is incorrect, as usual. The Feds do not set policy for the local piglets.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

NAFTA is a Treaty.
To get rid of the Treaty it would have to go through the process to revoke it.......................
To stay in the Constitutional legal bounds......................

Funny thing is that Mr. Paint here brought it up while supporting a pen and a phone idiot in chief................who violates the laws as he pleases................
To cities who openly violate our immigration laws..........via sanctuary cities..................

We can build the walls.............YES WE CAN BITCHES........
We can force labor laws to include the e-verify system..........
We can cut off all aid to mexico.............
And under current ICE laws we can return to sender millions of illegals.

Sanctuary cities aren't illegal. it's not illegal to not tell what you didn't ask in the first place.

Only a moron would claim they aren't illegal. They are a clear violation of federal law.

Not asking is not a violation. Not telling or cooperating can be but not, not asking...

Not asking is the same as not telling.

Nope, they are nothing of the kind.

 

[bripat9643]

Dubious numbers at best. But regardless, a wise investment. The U.S. Government always seems to have money for everything. So why not this?

And Trump should go forward with requesting Mexico contribute to the costs. Mexico has played a big part in creating this awful mess. It's time to do the right thing. Time to pick up part of the tab.

The results would be priceless. Illegal Mexicans have a lot to answer for. And what is wrong Mexicans paying for the damage they cause? I am loving this

NOt including the fence, that Mexico does not have the money to pay for, and would not pay for, even if they did, especially since a large % of illegals are from other countries.

"Back in 2011, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) deputy director Kumar Kibble said it costs $12,500 to deport an individual undocumented immigrant.

So when you multiply that cost for the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the U.S., that comes to $137.5 billion."


Donald Trump s Deportation Plan Would Cost 100-200 Billion - NBC News

So? What is the cost of illegals? Our culture, that is what. How much is that worth? A bazillion dollars. What is culture worth? Al;l they have to do is follow the rules and immigrate. Legally.And that doesn't cost us taxpayers a thin nickle.

Our culture is being threatened? What's the matter? Afraid that Maricha music will eclipse Hip-hop?

This terror must be stopped, at all costs.

And it could use a bath, and a diaper change.

Osama bin Laden was a child once.