Trump's trade war with China

[Brain357]

If a trade war was "easy to win", it wouldn't take a long time to do it.

Trump failed to realize that a totalitarian dictatorship has certain advantages in a trade war, that a democratic elected President in a capitalistic society doesn't have. Xi can tell businesses to stop doing business with the USA, and do so immediately. If they don't, they'll be stripped of their business and given a nice long vacation in a concentration camp to reconsider their choices. Trump tells his business leaders not to do business with China and they tell him to go fuck himself.

Trump keeps trusting his "gut instincts" to make decisions and none of them have worked out. Trump started the trade war to deflect from headlines about the Stormy Daniels lawsuits which were dominating the headlines. A piss poor excuse for destroying American farmers, but this is Trump, and when things go wrong for Trump, someone will be thrown under the bus to save his ass. Except as President, it's entire segments of the economy that are being sacrificed to his ego and his greed.

Remember when Trump promised to end off-shoring of manufacturing jobs? Off-shoring continues unabated and the manufacturing has dropped to the same level it was in 2009. In three short years, Trump is back to where Obama started. Well, he did say that he was going to undo everything Obama did, and the turnaround from W's complete trashing of the American economy was Obama's greatest achievement.

Manufacturing is now officially in recession, despite Trump's vow to boost industry

This is a direct result of Trump's trade war. The reason that it's called a "trade war", is that there are casualties, on both sides, and only the strongest businesses can survive this level of uncertainty in their supply chains. The Chinese have a much stronger grip on their own economy, and thus are more agile in re-imagining supply chains. American supply chains rest of the whims of their President's bad moods.

The choice is between choosing to be the world's bitch on trade, or support Trump, who is the only person who wants to see America win.


You want to see America lose.

We were winning. Largest economy, low unemployment, huge wealth...

I have, for months now, been discussing with you, the concept that good macro-economic numbers can hide serious economic and social costs.


IT is one thing for you to disagree with me on that.


It is another for you to pretend to not be aware of it.



Please stop lying.

There is no lying, Do we have the biggest economy? Low unemployment? Greatest wealth? All true, you are delusional to blame trade.

Good macro economic numbers, do not tell the whole story. Why are you pretending that this has not explained to you, many times before?

Because you make no sense and back nothing up.

How is steel doing?

 

[Correll]

I have, for months now, been discussing with you, the concept that good macro-economic numbers can hide serious economic and social costs.

but it has always been just that, a theoretical concept. There is no data or evidence presented.

1. Incorrect.

2. And please don't cut the point of my post.

Where is it? Trump said so is not evidence. You have seen evidence of the effects of your trade policy with steel. Layoffs...

1. Buried in our previous discussions. You ignored it then. Demanding it again, is the act of a troll.

2. I never said anything like "because Trump said so". Stop being a troll.

 

[Correll]

I have, for months now, been discussing with you, the concept that good macro-economic numbers can hide serious economic and social costs.

but it has always been just that, a theoretical concept. There is no data or evidence presented.

1. Incorrect.

2. And please don't cut the point of my post.

1. Correct.

Nope, incorrect.

 

[Correll]

The choice is between choosing to be the world's bitch on trade, or support Trump, who is the only person who wants to see America win.


You want to see America lose.

We were winning. Largest economy, low unemployment, huge wealth...

I have, for months now, been discussing with you, the concept that good macro-economic numbers can hide serious economic and social costs.


IT is one thing for you to disagree with me on that.


It is another for you to pretend to not be aware of it.



Please stop lying.

There is no lying, Do we have the biggest economy? Low unemployment? Greatest wealth? All true, you are delusional to blame trade.

Good macro economic numbers, do not tell the whole story. Why are you pretending that this has not explained to you, many times before?

Because you make no sense and back nothing up.

How is steel doing?

1. I made sense just fine. Stop lying.

2. Fine, considering how old this expansion is.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I have, for months now, been discussing with you, the concept that good macro-economic numbers can hide serious economic and social costs.

but it has always been just that, a theoretical concept. There is no data or evidence presented.

1. Incorrect.

2. And please don't cut the point of my post.

1. Correct.

Nope, incorrect.

This is you...

 

[Correll]

I have, for months now, been discussing with you, the concept that good macro-economic numbers can hide serious economic and social costs.

but it has always been just that, a theoretical concept. There is no data or evidence presented.

1. Incorrect.

2. And please don't cut the point of my post.

1. Correct.

Nope, incorrect.

This is you...

What? You're making no sense.

I am me. YOu are you.


Good macro economic numbers can hide serious economic and social costs.

 

[Brain357]

We were winning. Largest economy, low unemployment, huge wealth...

I have, for months now, been discussing with you, the concept that good macro-economic numbers can hide serious economic and social costs.


IT is one thing for you to disagree with me on that.


It is another for you to pretend to not be aware of it.



Please stop lying.

There is no lying, Do we have the biggest economy? Low unemployment? Greatest wealth? All true, you are delusional to blame trade.

Good macro economic numbers, do not tell the whole story. Why are you pretending that this has not explained to you, many times before?

Because you make no sense and back nothing up.

How is steel doing?

1. I made sense just fine. Stop lying.

2. Fine, considering how old this expansion is.

No you back up nothing. You just make false claims.

Steel tariffs result in layoffs and that is fine? Some economic plan you have.

 

[Brain357]

but it has always been just that, a theoretical concept. There is no data or evidence presented.

1. Incorrect.

2. And please don't cut the point of my post.

1. Correct.

Nope, incorrect.

This is you...

What? You're making no sense.

I am me. YOu are you.


Good macro economic numbers can hide serious economic and social costs.

Use numbers and show us how trade is the problem. Seems our wealthy being stingy with wages is more an issue. We have the wealth.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Good macro economic numbers can hide serious economic and social costs.

then provide the data

 

[Correll]

I have, for months now, been discussing with you, the concept that good macro-economic numbers can hide serious economic and social costs.


IT is one thing for you to disagree with me on that.


It is another for you to pretend to not be aware of it.



Please stop lying.

There is no lying, Do we have the biggest economy? Low unemployment? Greatest wealth? All true, you are delusional to blame trade.

Good macro economic numbers, do not tell the whole story. Why are you pretending that this has not explained to you, many times before?

Because you make no sense and back nothing up.

How is steel doing?

1. I made sense just fine. Stop lying.

2. Fine, considering how old this expansion is.

No you back up nothing. You just make false claims.
....

The Rust Belt and the working class Americans have had wages stagnate while stockholders and the rich have benefited from offshoring.


Numbers on wage stagnation have been presented to you in the past. You ignore them, and now pretend it was not done.

 

[Correll]

1. Incorrect.

2. And please don't cut the point of my post.

1. Correct.

Nope, incorrect.

This is you...

What? You're making no sense.

I am me. YOu are you.


Good macro economic numbers can hide serious economic and social costs.

Use numbers and show us how trade is the problem. Seems our wealthy being stingy with wages is more an issue. We have the wealth.

You move jobs overseas, and you can't make a connection to how this might effect wages here?


Seriously?

 

[Correll]

Good macro economic numbers can hide serious economic and social costs.

then provide the data

Why Wages Aren’t Growing in America


"The majority of Americans share in economic growth through the wages they receive for their labor, rather than through investment income. Unfortunately, many of these workers have fared poorly in recent decades. Since the early 1970s, the hourly inflation-adjusted wages received by the typical worker have barely risen, growing only 0.2% per year. In other words, though the economy has been growing, the primary way most people benefit from that growth has almost completely stalled."

 

[Dragonlady]

Good macro economic numbers can hide serious economic and social costs.

then provide the data

Why Wages Aren’t Growing in America


"The majority of Americans share in economic growth through the wages they receive for their labor, rather than through investment income. Unfortunately, many of these workers have fared poorly in recent decades. Since the early 1970s, the hourly inflation-adjusted wages received by the typical worker have barely risen, growing only 0.2% per year. In other words, though the economy has been growing, the primary way most people benefit from that growth has almost completely stalled."

That's an excellent article except for one thing. The redemies are all things that Republicans reject as "socialism". Things like raising the minimum wage, encouraging union membership and participation - all grass roots stuff, having nothing to do with tax breaks for millionaires, and everything to do with getting workers a bigger share of the pie.

 

[Correll]

Good macro economic numbers can hide serious economic and social costs.

then provide the data

Why Wages Aren’t Growing in America


"The majority of Americans share in economic growth through the wages they receive for their labor, rather than through investment income. Unfortunately, many of these workers have fared poorly in recent decades. Since the early 1970s, the hourly inflation-adjusted wages received by the typical worker have barely risen, growing only 0.2% per year. In other words, though the economy has been growing, the primary way most people benefit from that growth has almost completely stalled."

That's an excellent article except for one thing. The redemies are all things that Republicans reject as "socialism". Things like raising the minimum wage, encouraging union membership and participation - all grass roots stuff, having nothing to do with tax breaks for millionaires, and everything to do with getting workers a bigger share of the pie.

There was a request for information on the hidden economic and social cost of the economic policies of the last couple of decades.


I provided that link to give some of the numbers.


The potential solutions is another topic of discussion. Right now, the other side in this thread is denying that there is a problem.


Do you agree that long term wage stagnation is a problem?

 

[charwin95]

Trump has been saying that for two years. Matters are worse now than they ever have been. Wall street has been treading water for five months.

Funny thing about Trump. With him all the good stuff is always in the future. He has accomplished nothing. He has only harmed the economy, the Iranian problem is worse, our allies do not trust him, his deranged rhetoric inspired three killers, and he continues to set record lows on Wall Street.

What do you like about him?

60,000 jobs created since 2016...Obama could have done that....but he didn't...why?...Trump made it look easy and he is the first president in my lifetime that is truly working for the little guy...not the rich and connected elites...you I assume are siding with the super connected entrenched wealthy class....I'm siding with blue collar workers that make the economy work...I don't know Trump Sandy...so I can't tell you if I like him...but I like his agenda...Americans and America first....

Do you know what is very scary with your post. It’s totally way off from reality like a text book from Hannity.

1. Trump made easy? Really? When Trump started this TW he bragged it’s easy to win. Two years later still not done. At the same time we made farmers welfare recipients $12 billions and $16 billions.
At the same time just about 100% from all business categories are blasting Trump TW. Not a single one supported this idiot.

2. What little guy are you talking about? When the biggest losers of this TW are the little ( poor) American consumers paying the higher prices.

For the first time in my lifetime I never expected a total moron, pathological hypocrite bastard see a tug POTUS in the WH.


However there is a little progress this week..... Trump declared ....... Partial Agreement was reached. Not sure what the details are.... This is a face saving for Trump.

/----/ " TW he bragged it’s easy to win. Two years later still not done."
It is easy to win. Put the screws on China. Trump never said it would be fast.

Put a screws on China. Your piece of shit president could have done that don’t you think?

Yes he did. He said that on March 18, 2018 trade wars are good easy to win. You are ignorant than I thought..

/——/ For the second time, a trade war is easy to win, but Trump never said it would be fast.

A true Hannity style twist the technicality. He never said it would be fast. That is not what I’m after. They teach you very well how you try to twist the reality. You are a liar.

We are entering second year and there are no end insight. You call that easy?
Trumpits bragged it’s easy to win. China is not even blinking.
Means Trumpits is full of shit like you.

Currently we are loosing this dumb TW.

 

[Correll]

60,000 jobs created since 2016...Obama could have done that....but he didn't...why?...Trump made it look easy and he is the first president in my lifetime that is truly working for the little guy...not the rich and connected elites...you I assume are siding with the super connected entrenched wealthy class....I'm siding with blue collar workers that make the economy work...I don't know Trump Sandy...so I can't tell you if I like him...but I like his agenda...Americans and America first....

Do you know what is very scary with your post. It’s totally way off from reality like a text book from Hannity.

1. Trump made easy? Really? When Trump started this TW he bragged it’s easy to win. Two years later still not done. At the same time we made farmers welfare recipients $12 billions and $16 billions.
At the same time just about 100% from all business categories are blasting Trump TW. Not a single one supported this idiot.

2. What little guy are you talking about? When the biggest losers of this TW are the little ( poor) American consumers paying the higher prices.

For the first time in my lifetime I never expected a total moron, pathological hypocrite bastard see a tug POTUS in the WH.


However there is a little progress this week..... Trump declared ....... Partial Agreement was reached. Not sure what the details are.... This is a face saving for Trump.

/----/ " TW he bragged it’s easy to win. Two years later still not done."
It is easy to win. Put the screws on China. Trump never said it would be fast.

Put a screws on China. Your piece of shit president could have done that don’t you think?

Yes he did. He said that on March 18, 2018 trade wars are good easy to win. You are ignorant than I thought..

/——/ For the second time, a trade war is easy to win, but Trump never said it would be fast.

A true Hannity style twist the technicality. He never said it would be fast. That is not what I’m after. They teach you very well how you try to twist the reality. You are a liar.

We are entering second year and there are no end insight. You call that easy?
Trumpits bragged it’s easy to win. China is not even blinking.
Means Trumpits is full of shit like you.

Currently we are loosing this dumb TW.

We were losing the trade war, before Trump was elected.


We have just begun to fight back. Even if we continue to lose, at least we are not just lying there and taking it like a bitch.


And hopefully, if you libs don't manage to betray America, we can win.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

We were losing the trade war, before Trump was elected.

there was no trade war and we as a country were winning bigly.

 

[charwin95]

Then you are nothing but a corrupted Trump ignorant supporter.
Only stupid idiots don’t believe that. Here’s the video of Trump Mexicans are rapist.

Wow. First of all, that was a clip of someone talking about what Trump said, not Trump saying it.


Second of all, even with all the lies, and the lack of context, you could see "some are good people".


Good people as opposed to rapists and murderers.



THis is where you admit that you are a vile dupe of vile liars, and apologize to me and President Trump.

Dude I don’t lie like you. Distort the reality to proved your stupidity. You are a good example of moron and an idiot at the same time.

From this point I will consider you a stupid liar, moron and idiot.
Ask me if I ever believe you again.

Trump was talking about the illegals that Mexico is sending US, which is not all Mexicans, and he was clear that not all the illegals are bad people, ie rapists and murderers, but that still the rapists and murderers are there and need to be stopped.



You liberals are the ones lying about what he said, which is why you did not post a transcript, nor even the full speech in video,

but someone else talking about what he said.



You are the stupid liar here, not me.

You are distorting the reality. You are a liar.
Why should I believe again. You are no difference like your buddies here cellblock unrealistically fucked up.

Because what I said, is supported by what Trump said, while you are actively ignoring what he actually said.


1. He was speaking of the illegals sent here, not all Mexicans.

2. He specified that he was speaking of SOME of the illegals, not all of them.

3. You libs lie and claim he said it of all Mexicans.


I am telling the truth. You are the liar.


On some level, you know are the bad guy, and that is harming your self image.


Why are you doing this to yourself? To conform to the herd? Will your friends turn on you, if you tell the truth?

Dude just shut the fuck up. I’m not even reading your post anymore. You twist the reality just to prove your stupidity and lies. I don’t like liars.

 

[Correll]

We were losing the trade war, before Trump was elected.

there was no trade war and we as a country were winning bigly.

I posted a link showing the wage stagnation.


Try again.

 

[Correll]

Wow. First of all, that was a clip of someone talking about what Trump said, not Trump saying it.


Second of all, even with all the lies, and the lack of context, you could see "some are good people".


Good people as opposed to rapists and murderers.



THis is where you admit that you are a vile dupe of vile liars, and apologize to me and President Trump.

Dude I don’t lie like you. Distort the reality to proved your stupidity. You are a good example of moron and an idiot at the same time.

From this point I will consider you a stupid liar, moron and idiot.
Ask me if I ever believe you again.

Trump was talking about the illegals that Mexico is sending US, which is not all Mexicans, and he was clear that not all the illegals are bad people, ie rapists and murderers, but that still the rapists and murderers are there and need to be stopped.



You liberals are the ones lying about what he said, which is why you did not post a transcript, nor even the full speech in video,

but someone else talking about what he said.



You are the stupid liar here, not me.

You are distorting the reality. You are a liar.
Why should I believe again. You are no difference like your buddies here cellblock unrealistically fucked up.

Because what I said, is supported by what Trump said, while you are actively ignoring what he actually said.


1. He was speaking of the illegals sent here, not all Mexicans.

2. He specified that he was speaking of SOME of the illegals, not all of them.

3. You libs lie and claim he said it of all Mexicans.


I am telling the truth. You are the liar.


On some level, you know are the bad guy, and that is harming your self image.


Why are you doing this to yourself? To conform to the herd? Will your friends turn on you, if you tell the truth?

Dude just shut the fuck up. I’m not even reading your post anymore. You twist the reality just to prove your stupidity and lies. I don’t like liars.

1. He was speaking of the illegals sent here, not all Mexicans.

2. He specified that he was speaking of SOME of the illegals, not all of them.

3. You libs lie and claim he said it of all Mexicans.