Trumpsters, please don't read this

[RealDave]

You remain the forum boob, boobtoob.

I very seriously doubt that.

You say I won't stand behind my words because I won't accept a bet on your terms, which is to take my words out of context (as evidenced by you cutting out where I quoted you saying Frank's bills caused the crash, and where I referred to said bills as "any such bills," and to accept a bet where you suffer no consequences if you lose.

There you go lying again.

1. My bet, my terms. Terms are irrelevant anyway since YOU CAN'T LOSE unless you are wrong. Quit running, Chicken Little. Time to MAN UP.
   
2. How can I be taking your words out of content when they are YOUR WORDS! I merely removed the irrelevant parts (I do that to most every post, even my own) to make it easy for the reader to focus on the salient point to which I'm referring (it's called TRUNCATING): You said I DID NOT CITE ANY BILL.
3. Quit trying to parse words. If anyone wants to see the full original post, they are right there.

Keep running, pussy.

Keep running? Damn, you really are batshit crazy. I'm right here! I've not gone anywhere. Not only won't you even stand behind your own words, what next, gonna call me a racist, too? Dave asked me to cite some of the bills to which I wad referring and I told him I already did then you opened your big fat dumb mouth and claimed I NEVER CITED ANY BILL.

And all I said is that if you are so sure, then BACK IT UP. If I can prove you wrong, you're banned 6 months. Now since you won't take that bet, YOU'RE ADMITTING YOU WERE WRONG.



Show some character for once and ADMIT IT. You were wrong.

"How can I be taking your words out of content when they are YOUR WORDS! I merely removed the irrelevant parts"

I can't stop laughing at this one.

 

[toobfreak]

I can't stop laughing at this one.

Don't worry Dave. As contender for top asshat on USMB, I'd estimate that 90% of the members here laugh at you all the time as well.

 

[Faun]

I said you never cited any bill that crashed the economy. Again, it's not my problem that you have to strip out 2/3rds of my post to alter its context to make it mean something different than that.

Really? Show me WHERE you said that, liar.

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I altered nothing other than to remove the non-relevant material. As all can see again, for the 100th time, you said I NEVER CITED ANY BILL. What you THINK you said in the voices you hear inside your head no one can account for. And as I already cited the bills with their bill numbers, does that mean that:

1. You were too stupid to read them in the first place?
2. Too lazy to go back and look them up?

Bottom line: normal, reasonable, intelligent people don't obsess over an opinion like you. You should seriously see a psychiatrist. As I've maintained since day one, you said I never cited any bills, I clearly did, you know that as you won't take my bet, your nothing but a troll and if you really want to dispute the opinion of many the ultimate effects of any of the bills I posted on the economy, fine. Produce some credible, relevant data, links or official opinions, otherwise, get off this thread.

LOLOL

Dumbfuck, context is not "non-relevant material."

Now then, about that Frank bill you claim "derailed and crashed" the economy... what was that bill number?

 

[Faun]

I can't stop laughing at this one.

Don't worry Dave. As contender for top asshat on USMB, I'd estimate that 90% of the members here laugh at you all the time as well.

LOL

That's a badge of honor coming from an idiot like you.

 

[toobfreak]

Dumbfuck, context is not "non-relevant material."

That's right, context is everything. And had you been referring to a specific aforementioned bill, you would have said: YOU DID NOT CITE ANY SUCH BILL. But instead you said: YOU DID NOT CITE ANY BILL. Quite a different meaning. Obviously you never learned english in high school. Now if you have any proof that any of Frank's bills or the ones I listed had no deleterious effect on the economy, I'M ALL EARS. Otherwise, your still just trolling this thread wasting everyone's time.

 

[Faun]

Dumbfuck, context is not "non-relevant material."

That's right, context is everything. And had you been referring to a specific aforementioned bill, you would have said: YOU DID NOT CITE ANY SUCH BILL. But instead you said: YOU DID NOT CITE ANY BILL. Quite a different meaning. Obviously you never learned english in high school. Now if you have any proof that any of Frank's bills or the ones I listed had no deleterious effect on the economy, I'M ALL EARS. Otherwise, your still just trolling this thread wasting everyone's time.

"And had you been referring to a specific aforementioned bill, you would have said: YOU DID NOT CITE ANY SUCH BILL."

Which is why I posted, "... you didn't actually cite any bill. Which of course you can't since there was no such bill," in direct response to your quote, "it was Bawney's bills that derailed and crashed it."

Notice the ellipsis, which indicates that sentence has direct relevance to your claim of a Frank bill that crashed the economy. Notice the word, "such," which also refers to it.

But thanks for admitting why you cut out all that context in order to change the meaning of what I was talking about.

Now that we have that settled....

Now then, about that Frank bill you claim "derailed and crashed" the economy... what was that bill number?

 

[toobfreak]

Which of course you can't since there was no such bill,"

Tired of going in pointless circles with you, jerk about a matter of no real concern to me that is over 12 years old. Maybe this is really important stuff to you. Your story changes from post to post. You have an excuse for everything, except ONE THING: produce one shred of evidence that the bills I listed didn't hurt the economy to support your claim that no such bills exist!

 

[mudwhistle]

The Conservative Review isn't playing along. Good for them. Anyone who brings up Trump's exploding debt and flagging economy are immediately mocked by his obedient Trumpsters, but fortunately there are still some Conservatives who are not willing to lie and spin for him.

But I know, I know. The Trumpsters don't care.

Trump can’t be both the president of growth and the president of debt

Earlier today, the Bureau of Economic Analysis announced that the economy had grown just 2.1 percent during the second quarter of this year (ending June 30). It also revised Q4 of 2018 down to just 1.1 percent, which now means that growth during the 12 months ending Q4 of 2018 was only 2.5 percent, not 3 percent as previously thought. This means that the U.S. economy has now gone 14 years without a year-over-year growth of 3 percent. It’s been 19 years since we’ve hit 4 percent, which was during 1997-2000.

While the numbers don’t portend a coming recession, it is highly unusual for us to go for 16 consecutive months with unemployment below 4 percent and 43 months below 5 percent, yet never attain 3 or 4 percent annual GDP growth. In fact, that has never happened before. During the late 1990s, the unemployment rate ranged from 5.3 percent to 3.9 percent – not even as good as today’s 3.7 percent – yet GDP growth was over 4 percent. Ditto for the late 1960s, when we saw years of 6 percent growth. During the mid 1980s, we saw this growth even with higher unemployment rates.

The debt is not just a problem for future generations in terms of a fiscal cost that will be borne by taxpayers. The exclusive focus on the future is what has fostered the Louis XV mentality of “after me, the deluge.” Let’s face it, we are a nation that doesn’t care about the future of our children. What is missing from the discussion is that the debt is permanently weighing down economic growth now.

Let’s peek into the numbers behind today’s topline GDP report. GDP comprises personal consumption expenditures, gross private domestic investment, government spending, and net exports. Seventy percent of the equation is consumption, and the robust 4.3 percent growth in consumption this quarter is a big part of what is keeping us even at 2.1 percent growth. This is not artificial and is good news. Consumption is a sign of a healthy job market, with more people earning money, as well as the tax cuts putting more cash in people’s pockets to spend. No matter whether our economy is fully free market or quasi-socialist, whenever there is more money in people’s pockets, these numbers will go up. We are now in a boom period, and the numbers are good.

But what else is propping up the number? Government spending! Gross government spending, which accounts for about 17.5 percent of the GDP pie, spiked 5 percent. Non-defense spending rose by 15.9 percent!
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The DemoRats are working hard to reduce the GDP

 

[mudwhistle]

The Conservative Review isn't playing along. Good for them. Anyone who brings up Trump's exploding debt and flagging economy are immediately mocked by his obedient Trumpsters, but fortunately there are still some Conservatives who are not willing to lie and spin for him.

But I know, I know. The Trumpsters don't care.

Trump can’t be both the president of growth and the president of debt

Earlier today, the Bureau of Economic Analysis announced that the economy had grown just 2.1 percent during the second quarter of this year (ending June 30). It also revised Q4 of 2018 down to just 1.1 percent, which now means that growth during the 12 months ending Q4 of 2018 was only 2.5 percent, not 3 percent as previously thought. This means that the U.S. economy has now gone 14 years without a year-over-year growth of 3 percent. It’s been 19 years since we’ve hit 4 percent, which was during 1997-2000.

While the numbers don’t portend a coming recession, it is highly unusual for us to go for 16 consecutive months with unemployment below 4 percent and 43 months below 5 percent, yet never attain 3 or 4 percent annual GDP growth. In fact, that has never happened before. During the late 1990s, the unemployment rate ranged from 5.3 percent to 3.9 percent – not even as good as today’s 3.7 percent – yet GDP growth was over 4 percent. Ditto for the late 1960s, when we saw years of 6 percent growth. During the mid 1980s, we saw this growth even with higher unemployment rates.

The debt is not just a problem for future generations in terms of a fiscal cost that will be borne by taxpayers. The exclusive focus on the future is what has fostered the Louis XV mentality of “after me, the deluge.” Let’s face it, we are a nation that doesn’t care about the future of our children. What is missing from the discussion is that the debt is permanently weighing down economic growth now.

Let’s peek into the numbers behind today’s topline GDP report. GDP comprises personal consumption expenditures, gross private domestic investment, government spending, and net exports. Seventy percent of the equation is consumption, and the robust 4.3 percent growth in consumption this quarter is a big part of what is keeping us even at 2.1 percent growth. This is not artificial and is good news. Consumption is a sign of a healthy job market, with more people earning money, as well as the tax cuts putting more cash in people’s pockets to spend. No matter whether our economy is fully free market or quasi-socialist, whenever there is more money in people’s pockets, these numbers will go up. We are now in a boom period, and the numbers are good.

But what else is propping up the number? Government spending! Gross government spending, which accounts for about 17.5 percent of the GDP pie, spiked 5 percent. Non-defense spending rose by 15.9 percent!
,

I guess I'm missing why you are trying to make this an all-Trump thing. Maybe you're not aware that economies are mainly the domain of Congress? Further, when pointing fingers at the debt, my first thought is the idiot Congress who in 2006 caused the spiraling banking crisis through the Todd-Frank bill, then Obama coming in and rather than letting bad actors on Wall Street fail and reorganize, spent trillions bailing out the big boys too big to fail while letting the little guy twist in the wind.

We didn't get to 21-22 trillion overnight. When Obama took office in 2008, we were only at about 9 trillion. It took Barack to put us at 19 trillion.

Now if you want to see that as a Trump deflection, knock yourself out, but the damage is already done.

It's the Dems' fault.

Got it.

Anyone else?
.

Glad you finally see that. No one was talking about a debt crisis until Obumma ran our debt up more than all previous administrations combined. That doesn't mean the GOP haven't had a hand in it, but the very title of your OP shows you have an agenda rather than seeking actual facts and are now just looking for excuses to justify it.

At least GW had a good excuse, he had a war dumped on his lap with the biggest terrorist attack in history. Most of Obumma's 10 trillion disappeared down the pockets of his crony friends, and to this day, the democrats still try to run the debt out of control by refusing to deal with the immigration crisis, which costs us 10-20 billion a year in direct and indirect costs.

At least Trump is trying to attack the issue, not only ids he seeking to remove 3 million of the SNAP program who really don't need it, he just had another major victory in Guatemala.

Trump administration, Guatemala sign pact barring migrants from claiming asylum in U.S.

I wanted to see how Trumpsters would react to an honest appraisal of his work on the economy from a conservative source.

They have not disappointed.
.

Not sure it's all that honest, but if it makes you feel better....
Drive on.

 

[Mac1958]

The Conservative Review isn't playing along. Good for them. Anyone who brings up Trump's exploding debt and flagging economy are immediately mocked by his obedient Trumpsters, but fortunately there are still some Conservatives who are not willing to lie and spin for him.

But I know, I know. The Trumpsters don't care.

Trump can’t be both the president of growth and the president of debt

Earlier today, the Bureau of Economic Analysis announced that the economy had grown just 2.1 percent during the second quarter of this year (ending June 30). It also revised Q4 of 2018 down to just 1.1 percent, which now means that growth during the 12 months ending Q4 of 2018 was only 2.5 percent, not 3 percent as previously thought. This means that the U.S. economy has now gone 14 years without a year-over-year growth of 3 percent. It’s been 19 years since we’ve hit 4 percent, which was during 1997-2000.

While the numbers don’t portend a coming recession, it is highly unusual for us to go for 16 consecutive months with unemployment below 4 percent and 43 months below 5 percent, yet never attain 3 or 4 percent annual GDP growth. In fact, that has never happened before. During the late 1990s, the unemployment rate ranged from 5.3 percent to 3.9 percent – not even as good as today’s 3.7 percent – yet GDP growth was over 4 percent. Ditto for the late 1960s, when we saw years of 6 percent growth. During the mid 1980s, we saw this growth even with higher unemployment rates.

The debt is not just a problem for future generations in terms of a fiscal cost that will be borne by taxpayers. The exclusive focus on the future is what has fostered the Louis XV mentality of “after me, the deluge.” Let’s face it, we are a nation that doesn’t care about the future of our children. What is missing from the discussion is that the debt is permanently weighing down economic growth now.

Let’s peek into the numbers behind today’s topline GDP report. GDP comprises personal consumption expenditures, gross private domestic investment, government spending, and net exports. Seventy percent of the equation is consumption, and the robust 4.3 percent growth in consumption this quarter is a big part of what is keeping us even at 2.1 percent growth. This is not artificial and is good news. Consumption is a sign of a healthy job market, with more people earning money, as well as the tax cuts putting more cash in people’s pockets to spend. No matter whether our economy is fully free market or quasi-socialist, whenever there is more money in people’s pockets, these numbers will go up. We are now in a boom period, and the numbers are good.

But what else is propping up the number? Government spending! Gross government spending, which accounts for about 17.5 percent of the GDP pie, spiked 5 percent. Non-defense spending rose by 15.9 percent!
,

I guess I'm missing why you are trying to make this an all-Trump thing. Maybe you're not aware that economies are mainly the domain of Congress? Further, when pointing fingers at the debt, my first thought is the idiot Congress who in 2006 caused the spiraling banking crisis through the Todd-Frank bill, then Obama coming in and rather than letting bad actors on Wall Street fail and reorganize, spent trillions bailing out the big boys too big to fail while letting the little guy twist in the wind.

We didn't get to 21-22 trillion overnight. When Obama took office in 2008, we were only at about 9 trillion. It took Barack to put us at 19 trillion.

Now if you want to see that as a Trump deflection, knock yourself out, but the damage is already done.

It's the Dems' fault.

Got it.

Anyone else?
.

Glad you finally see that. No one was talking about a debt crisis until Obumma ran our debt up more than all previous administrations combined. That doesn't mean the GOP haven't had a hand in it, but the very title of your OP shows you have an agenda rather than seeking actual facts and are now just looking for excuses to justify it.

At least GW had a good excuse, he had a war dumped on his lap with the biggest terrorist attack in history. Most of Obumma's 10 trillion disappeared down the pockets of his crony friends, and to this day, the democrats still try to run the debt out of control by refusing to deal with the immigration crisis, which costs us 10-20 billion a year in direct and indirect costs.

At least Trump is trying to attack the issue, not only ids he seeking to remove 3 million of the SNAP program who really don't need it, he just had another major victory in Guatemala.

Trump administration, Guatemala sign pact barring migrants from claiming asylum in U.S.

I wanted to see how Trumpsters would react to an honest appraisal of his work on the economy from a conservative source.

They have not disappointed.
.

Not sure it's all that honest, but if it makes you feel better....
Drive on.

You're certainly welcome to point out the flaws in the piece. I didn't write it.
.

 

[mudwhistle]

I guess I'm missing why you are trying to make this an all-Trump thing. Maybe you're not aware that economies are mainly the domain of Congress? Further, when pointing fingers at the debt, my first thought is the idiot Congress who in 2006 caused the spiraling banking crisis through the Todd-Frank bill, then Obama coming in and rather than letting bad actors on Wall Street fail and reorganize, spent trillions bailing out the big boys too big to fail while letting the little guy twist in the wind.

We didn't get to 21-22 trillion overnight. When Obama took office in 2008, we were only at about 9 trillion. It took Barack to put us at 19 trillion.

Now if you want to see that as a Trump deflection, knock yourself out, but the damage is already done.

It's the Dems' fault.

Got it.

Anyone else?
.

Glad you finally see that. No one was talking about a debt crisis until Obumma ran our debt up more than all previous administrations combined. That doesn't mean the GOP haven't had a hand in it, but the very title of your OP shows you have an agenda rather than seeking actual facts and are now just looking for excuses to justify it.

At least GW had a good excuse, he had a war dumped on his lap with the biggest terrorist attack in history. Most of Obumma's 10 trillion disappeared down the pockets of his crony friends, and to this day, the democrats still try to run the debt out of control by refusing to deal with the immigration crisis, which costs us 10-20 billion a year in direct and indirect costs.

At least Trump is trying to attack the issue, not only ids he seeking to remove 3 million of the SNAP program who really don't need it, he just had another major victory in Guatemala.

Trump administration, Guatemala sign pact barring migrants from claiming asylum in U.S.

I wanted to see how Trumpsters would react to an honest appraisal of his work on the economy from a conservative source.

They have not disappointed.
.

Not sure it's all that honest, but if it makes you feel better....
Drive on.

You're certainly welcome to point out the flaws in the piece. I didn't write it.
.

It points out how consumers effect the economy.
Democrats created a housing crisis and a recession in 2006-2008 and it ended once they got their magic negro in the WH. (AL Sharpton's words...not mine)

All it took was talking about how terrible the economy was for a few years....and Wallah.....you got yourself a recession. Make consumers worry and they cut back on spending. They're trying to do the same thing now but racism keeps changing the subject.

 

[Mac1958]

Democrats created a housing crisis and a recession in 2006-2008...

Oh, there it is again.

Okie dokie.
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[mudwhistle]

Democrats created a housing crisis and a recession in 2006-2008...

Oh, there it is again.

Okie dokie.
.

Sometimes the truth fucking hurts.

 

[mudwhistle]

Democrats created a housing crisis and a recession in 2006-2008...

Oh, there it is again.

Okie dokie.
.

Sometimes the truth fucking hurts.

I would be happy to see you point out when Democrats actually cooperated with a Republican President in the last 20 years to help the economy.

 

[Mac1958]

Democrats created a housing crisis and a recession in 2006-2008...

Oh, there it is again. Okie dokie.

Sometimes the truth fucking hurts.

Yes, I know.

Please, whatever you do, don't go near this thread: The Meltdown, explained

And if you do, please don't do any real research on any facts contained therein.

It's all fake news invented by the radical pinko Hitler commie Deep State.
.

 

[mudwhistle]

Democrats created a housing crisis and a recession in 2006-2008...

Oh, there it is again. Okie dokie.

Sometimes the truth fucking hurts.

Yes, I know.

Please, whatever you do, don't go near this thread: The Meltdown, explained

And if you do, please don't do any real research on any facts contained therein.

It's all fake news invented by the radical pinko Hitler commie Deep State.
.

Alot of different things went into it. Even what you posted isn't the whole story.
But because you can't read between the lines I'll just point out that most of the Democrats are all-in whereas not everyone on the other side of the isle is.
The global establishment is bigger than left or right. It's socialism but people are making money hand over fist ruining economies.

 

[Mac1958]

Democrats created a housing crisis and a recession in 2006-2008...

Oh, there it is again. Okie dokie.

Sometimes the truth fucking hurts.

Yes, I know.

Please, whatever you do, don't go near this thread: The Meltdown, explained

And if you do, please don't do any real research on any facts contained therein.

It's all fake news invented by the radical pinko Hitler commie Deep State.
.

Alot of different things went into it. Even what you posted isn't the whole story.
But because you can't read between the lines I'll just point out that most of the Democrats are all-in whereas not everyone on the other side of the isle is.
The global establishment is bigger than left or right. It's socialism but people are making money hand over fist ruining economies.

So you go from "Democrats created a housing crisis and a recession in 2006-2008..." and "The truth fucking hurts" immediately to "A lot of different things went into it" and "The global establishment is bigger than left or right".

Holy shit. I'm gonna need some aspirin for the whiplash. This place really is a hoot.
..

 

[mudwhistle]

Democrats created a housing crisis and a recession in 2006-2008...

Oh, there it is again. Okie dokie.

Sometimes the truth fucking hurts.

Yes, I know.

Please, whatever you do, don't go near this thread: The Meltdown, explained

And if you do, please don't do any real research on any facts contained therein.

It's all fake news invented by the radical pinko Hitler commie Deep State.
.

Alot of different things went into it. Even what you posted isn't the whole story.
But because you can't read between the lines I'll just point out that most of the Democrats are all-in whereas not everyone on the other side of the isle is.
The global establishment is bigger than left or right. It's socialism but people are making money hand over fist ruining economies.

So you go from "Democrats created a housing crisis and a recession in 2006-2008..." and "The truth fucking hurts" immediately to "A lot of different things went into it" and "The global establishment is bigger than left or right".

Holy shit. I'm gonna need some aspirin for the whiplash. This place really is a hoot.
..

It's not my fault you can't follow what I'm saying.
Let me spell it out to you.
The Democrats are doing some of the things they did before in 2000.
They are proposing increasing the minimum wage which will effect job creation.
They have nothing positive to say about the economy, choosing instead to focus on the debt, something that strangely never bothers them when they are in power and in a position to do something about it. Who cares that their open borders policies are helping create much of that debt, along with their penchant for gutting the military every chance they get, forcing Republicans to have to rebuild, which is massively expensive. I shouldn't have to explain this shit because it's really simple.

 

[Mac1958]

Oh, there it is again. Okie dokie.

Sometimes the truth fucking hurts.

Yes, I know.

Please, whatever you do, don't go near this thread: The Meltdown, explained

And if you do, please don't do any real research on any facts contained therein.

It's all fake news invented by the radical pinko Hitler commie Deep State.
.

Alot of different things went into it. Even what you posted isn't the whole story.
But because you can't read between the lines I'll just point out that most of the Democrats are all-in whereas not everyone on the other side of the isle is.
The global establishment is bigger than left or right. It's socialism but people are making money hand over fist ruining economies.

So you go from "Democrats created a housing crisis and a recession in 2006-2008..." and "The truth fucking hurts" immediately to "A lot of different things went into it" and "The global establishment is bigger than left or right".

Holy shit. I'm gonna need some aspirin for the whiplash. This place really is a hoot.
..

It's not my fault you can't follow what I'm saying.
Let me spell it out to you.
The Democrats are doing some of the things they did before in 2000.
They are proposing increasing the minimum wage which will effect job creation.
They have nothing positive to say about the economy, choosing instead to focus on the debt, something that strangely never bothers them when they are in power and in a position to do something about it. Who cares that their open borders policies are helping create much of that debt, along with their penchant for gutting the military every chance they get. I shouldn't have to explain this shit because it's really simple.

All of which has nothing to do with "Democrats created a housing crisis and a recession in 2006-2008..." and "The truth fucking hurts".

Y'know, I used to assume you guys had done your homework, knew how the Meltdown happened, but just denied it all for partisan political reasons.

I've changed my mind on that over the last couple of months.

I realize now that you guys really don't know what happened, and all you know is what has been fed to you by talk radio. There's plentiful information out there, and I provided a pretty good starting point with that thread. If you really want to know. That's up to you.
.

 

[toobfreak]

Democrats created a housing crisis and a recession in 2006-2008...

Oh, there it is again.

Okie dokie.
.

There it is again? You gotta be kidding me. Try reading these:

Worth Reading: Economic Meltdown Fueled By Barney Frank/Christopher Dodd

More Proof Democrats Destroyed The Economy In 2008: The Ongoing Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac Disaster

Hey, Barney Frank: The Government Did Cause the Housing Crisis

NTL Conservative Blog: Dems Destroyed World Economy in 2008

Frank's fingerprints are all over the financial fiasco - The Boston Globe