Turkey shoots down Russian jet for violating its' air space.

[Blackrook]

Russia has been engaged in a series of trespasses over the United States and its allies for quite some time. It was only a matter of time that they went to far and got their planes shot down.

If the Russians were in the Turks airspace, Turkey had an absolute right to shoot them down.

Not for a minute do I believe Putin's version of events, until he proves it beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[guno]

if russia attacks turkey in the rear, would greece help ?

 

[Igrok_]

if russia attacks turkey in the rear, would greece help ?

You do mean moral help, don't you? What else help could greece provide?

 

[Sbiker]

Another Putin ass licker. You never said that when Russian are bombing women and children.

Do you know, how much women and children were murdered by your military forces in Dresden's firestorm during WW2? Why don't you pray of them, if you so "humanistic"?

Or in Hirosima & Nagasaki?

Or in Vietnam...

Or in Iraq...

Or in hospital in Afganistan...

 

[Sbiker]

if russia attacks turkey in the rear, would greece help ?

I think, Greeks would fear another ethnic cleansing from Turkey, like it was on Cyprus....

 

[EverCurious]

Turkey's downing of Russian warplane - what we know - BBC News

Was Russia warplane downing an overreaction? - BBC News

Just messed up, shooting an ally plane down after its left your airspace isn't right... QQ what a mess.

 

[Rexx Taylor]

maybe they thought it was the jet that Nancy Pelosi uses to fly to Europe? bad Intel?

 

[charwin95]

I personally think Turkey should be taken out of NATO. I'm siding with Russia on this incident. It wouldn't be the first time NATO's gone against what /I/ think is right.

Since when did you side with America?

 

[charwin95]

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Turkey and its backers have done a criminal act.

Stupid and irrational overreaction to shoot down a Russian plane.

This is not the end of this.
.

There is one important point. Suppose that Russian aircraft had crossed the border.
How long could he be there?
How long does it to take off the fighter?
How long a fighter takes off? 15 minutes is necessary? (to get an order, to get into the cab, start the engine, go through all the procedures)

SU24 liftoff speed - 400 kilometers per hour.
Maximum 1700.
Normal - 700 km / h.

The Turks said that they 5 minutes warned Russian plane.
For 5 minutes he flies 60 kilometers.
15 minutes - 180 km.

Conclusions?

Air bases usually have alert fighters that are ready to take off at a moments notice. There may have been fighters in the air patrolling the area. That would be normal considering all the military air traffic in the region.

Yes, it is quite. But still.
Even if we take 5 minutes. It means 60 km.
You can take a map and realize that it's a lot for the region.


Moment 2.
When it makes sense to attack?
It is necessary to take into account the trajectory of movement?

Either the plane was heading deep into the country ...
Either he moved from the border.

He could not continue to move 5 minutes inland.

But what is the point to fire at the aircraft, which flies away?

There is no point in firing at the aircraft unless it was posing an imminent threat. Just escort it out of your airspace.

Correct... But Russian has been doing this kind of intrusions several times in Turkey. They been warned many times.

 

[charwin95]

Russia has been engaged in a series of trespasses over the United States and its allies for quite some time. It was only a matter of time that they went to far and got their planes shot down.

If the Russians were in the Turks airspace, Turkey had an absolute right to shoot them down.

Not for a minute do I believe Putin's version of events, until he proves it beyond a reasonable doubt.

A good example of that was last month. Oct. 29/15.

U.S. jets intercept Russian planes near aircraft carrier - CNNPolitics.com

 

[EverCurious]

I personally think Turkey should be taken out of NATO. I'm siding with Russia on this incident. It wouldn't be the first time NATO's gone against what /I/ think is right.

Since when did you side with America?

Really? Clearly you're too busy with yapping points to notice reality. My father's a 4 star general, my husband's a West Point graduate, my entire family is military and you're saying I'm not American?

At least I know to discount ya as nothing more than a yapper now, thanks

 

[charwin95]

Another Putin ass licker. You never said that when Russian are bombing women and children.

Do you know, how much women and children were murdered by your military forces in Dresden's firestorm during WW2? Why don't you pray of them, if you so "humanistic"?

Or in Hirosima & Nagasaki?

Or in Vietnam...

Or in Iraq...

Or in hospital in Afganistan...

At least I'm an American supporting my government compared to you supporting Putin thugs. Which I called it Traitors.

 

[Sonc]

Russia has been engaged in a series of trespasses over the United States and its allies for quite some time. It was only a matter of time that they went to far and got their planes shot down.
If the Russians were in the Turks airspace, Turkey had an absolute right to shoot them down.
Not for a minute do I believe Putin's version of events, until he proves it beyond a reasonable doubt.

A good example of that was last month. Oct. 29/15.
U.S. jets intercept Russian planes near aircraft carrier - CNNPolitics.com

Yes . This is a good example.

"It is standard operating procedure for U.S. planes to escort aircraft flying in the vicinity of U.S. Navy ships," Navy Cmdr. William J. Marks said in an email. "This type of interaction is not unprecedented. Overall I would characterize the interaction as safe".

 

[Sbiker]

Another Putin ass licker. You never said that when Russian are bombing women and children.

Do you know, how much women and children were murdered by your military forces in Dresden's firestorm during WW2? Why don't you pray of them, if you so "humanistic"?

Or in Hirosima & Nagasaki?

Or in Vietnam...

Or in Iraq...

Or in hospital in Afganistan...

At least I'm an American supporting my government compared to you supporting Putin thugs. Which I called it Traitors.

Where's difference? I voted for Putin, I'm supporting him, he's my president. Because I'm Russian.

"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?" Matthew, 7-3.

 

[MsAnthrope]

Turkish Intelligence Officer: "Putin's intervention in Syria is against Islam and international law, ISIS is a reality and we are optimistic about the future." This from a member of NATO?! An ally?! Who Obama is defending??

Turkish intelligence chief: Putin's intervention in Syria is against Islam and international law, ISIS is a reality and we are optimistic about the future - AWD News

 

[Claudette]

Turkey 'down Russian warplane on Syria border' - BBC News

Be interesting to see how this will play out.

I agree. From what I heard they warned that jet at least ten times in five minutes that it was violating Turkish air space.

Guess Putin's boys think they can do anything they want to in the ME.

They probably can except over Turkey.

 

[tyroneweaver]

Another Putin ass licker. You never said that when Russian are bombing women and children.

Do you know, how much women and children were murdered by your military forces in Dresden's firestorm during WW2? Why don't you pray of them, if you so "humanistic"?

Or in Hirosima & Nagasaki?

Or in Vietnam...

Or in Iraq...

Or in hospital in Afganistan...

At least I'm an American supporting my government compared to you supporting Putin thugs. Which I called it Traitors.

Where's difference? I voted for Putin, I'm supporting him, he's my president. Because I'm Russian.

"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?" Matthew, 7-3.

Maybe you'll get a half a dozen due overs, like you got in the 72 olympics bb game.

 

[Camp]

Putin got bitch slapped.

 

[tyroneweaver]

Turkey and its backers have done a criminal act.

Stupid and irrational overreaction to shoot down a Russian plane.

This is not the end of this.
.

My 2 cents. It's much adue about nothing. This is a war zone. Russia has a lot of things going on. I don't think they're in the position for a big hub bub.

 

[charwin95]

Another Putin ass licker. You never said that when Russian are bombing women and children.

Do you know, how much women and children were murdered by your military forces in Dresden's firestorm during WW2? Why don't you pray of them, if you so "humanistic"?

Or in Hirosima & Nagasaki?

Or in Vietnam...

Or in Iraq...

Or in hospital in Afganistan...

At least I'm an American supporting my government compared to you supporting Putin thugs. Which I called it Traitors.

Where's difference? I voted for Putin, I'm supporting him, he's my president. Because I'm Russian.

"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?" Matthew, 7-3.

This is my country..... This not your country.
In your desperation to deflect the atrocities being committed by your Russians thugs you have bring up Nagasaki, Hirosima etc...... How about Russian shooting down Malaysian airline, invading Ukraine, bombing women and children in Syria, supporting Assad killing his own civilians?