Two Police Officers Shot In The Head in Compton, California

[pknopp]

I have seen them post video's of people who have. One real ugly one where the officer refused over and over to tell a driver why he pulled him over. I unfortunately have not seen the outcome of that.

There is no requirement that the officer tells the driver the reason they were pulled until the driver has identified themselves to the satisfaction of the officer.

It is really quite simple. If you're pulled over, simply comply. Problem solved. Have you seen where someone pulled over, complied with the officer's legal instructions, provided their valid driver's license, vehicle registration, and proof of insurance suddenly going south for no reason?

Sandra Bland.

 

[Markle]

Someone may have pointed this out already.....from the video, the shooter looks like a kid......a young kid......

That's been pointed out elsewhere and on the news but another twist was added. Some folks have observed that the shooter running has the gait of a little person.

 

[Markle]

I have seen them post video's of people who have. One real ugly one where the officer refused over and over to tell a driver why he pulled him over. I unfortunately have not seen the outcome of that.

There is no requirement that the officer tells the driver the reason they were pulled until the driver has identified themselves to the satisfaction of the officer.

It is really quite simple. If you're pulled over, simply comply. Problem solved. Have you seen where someone pulled over, complied with the officer's legal instructions, provided their valid driver's license, vehicle registration, and proof of insurance suddenly going south for no reason?

Sandra Bland.

All she had to do was comply. Regardless of whether she thought it was a bad stop. She committed suicide in jail, that was the fault of the jailer.

The cop made a mistake but no one was killed or injured.

That's why I refuse to debate with you. You have one weak example out of hundreds of millions of uneventful contacts between the police and the public.

 

[Coyote]

Someone may have pointed this out already.....from the video, the shooter looks like a kid......a young kid......

That's been pointed out elsewhere and on the news but another twist was added. Some folks have observed that the shooter running has the gait of a little person.

Maybe that might make it easier to identify him...

 

[Markle]

Someone may have pointed this out already.....from the video, the shooter looks like a kid......a young kid......

That's been pointed out elsewhere and on the news but another twist was added. Some folks have observed that the shooter running has the gait of a little person.

Maybe that might make it easier to identify him...

True, I have no clue and looking at the video, there is some validity to the statement.

 

[2aguy]

Someone may have pointed this out already.....from the video, the shooter looks like a kid......a young kid......

That's been pointed out elsewhere and on the news but another twist was added. Some folks have observed that the shooter running has the gait of a little person.

Maybe that might make it easier to identify him...

It might make the people who know him less likely to turn him in as well......but if an adult put him up to it, then that adult is going away too...

 

[pknopp]

I have seen them post video's of people who have. One real ugly one where the officer refused over and over to tell a driver why he pulled him over. I unfortunately have not seen the outcome of that.

There is no requirement that the officer tells the driver the reason they were pulled until the driver has identified themselves to the satisfaction of the officer.

It is really quite simple. If you're pulled over, simply comply. Problem solved. Have you seen where someone pulled over, complied with the officer's legal instructions, provided their valid driver's license, vehicle registration, and proof of insurance suddenly going south for no reason?

Sandra Bland.

All she had to do was comply. Regardless of whether she thought it was a bad stop. She committed suicide in jail, that was the fault of the jailer.

The cop made a mistake but no one was killed or injured.

That's why I refuse to debate with you. You have one weak example out of hundreds of millions of uneventful contacts between the police and the public.

She DID comply to the stop. She did everything she was asked to do. After the stop was over the cop decided he would harass her.

I was asked for an example. I provided one. If you don't really want a question answered, don't ask it.

 

[Dagosa]

do have a right to resist an unlawful arrest. Before long everyone will understand that. Its why the founders incorporated the 2nd Amendment.

You’d better not take that advice. Resisting arrest is itself a crime. FU and your second amendment. It has no place when it comes to a cop performing his duty. You’d better not resist by producing a weapon. Terrible post. The time to resist any arrest is by filing a complaint or instituting a suit after the fact. You’re giving stupid advice.

Resisting an illegal arrest is not a crime. Yes forever the cops would arrest you for that but when we have proof that the arrest was not lawful the charges get dropped. We are going to stop that practice. The cops are going to learn what they can and what they can not do or they are going to continue to lose their jobs.

Poor people can not afford to file lawsuits. I have never understood those who believe that paying people millions and millions dollars a year in settlements is a better system than proper police training.

It is in Texas.
I agree that's bullshit, but it is a law here.

It can't be. There is NO law that states that I have to have I.D. on me.

No, I mean it is unlawful to resist even an illegal arrest.
I think that's bullshit personally, but that's the way the law is written.

Texas.

Texas Man Found Not Guilty for Shooting Three Cops During NoKnock Raid

"Sec. 38.03. RESISTING ARREST, SEARCH, OR TRANSPORTATION. (a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally prevents or obstructs a person he knows is a peace officer or a person acting in a peace officer's presence and at his direction from effecting an arrest, search, or transportation of the actor or another by using force against the peace officer or another.
(b) It is no defense to prosecution under this section that the arrest or search was unlawful.
(c) Except as provided in Subsection (d), an offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.
(d) An offense under this section is a felony of the third degree if the actor uses a deadly weapon to resist the arrest or search."

Watch, we are going to get a case and the person is going to either have the charges dropped or found not guilty. You can pass laws but that doesn't mean they are lawful. People have rights backed by the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Was Bundy found not guilty?

Bundy followers found not guilty at Nevada trial: newspaper

The right to self defense is right in the 2nd Amendment. I find it funny that those who argue the most for the 2nd do not support or understand this.

I agree with you, but the reality we have to deal with is that as of now, it's illegal.
You got the time or the money to be the test case that fights this?

That's the problem. Those that argue to fight an illegal arrest in court. Not many can afford to actually do that. That's why they have resorted to violence to get their point across.

We can address the fact that the police are not above the law or we can watch things burn.

You posted a pinac link earlier; I personally know several of their guys and you know one thing they never do? They never resist...... they know to stay in bounds.

They post video's of people resisting all the time. They post video's all the time being told to do something they know they do not have to do and they say no. The facts are in the overwhelming majority of cases the police know they can not enforce what they are demanding and are on video and back off.

And when they're are told they're under arrest, do any of them ever fight the cops?
Nope.

I have seen them post video's of people who have. One real ugly one where the officer refused over and over to tell a driver why he pulled him over. I unfortunately have not seen the outcome of that.

Here's one for you.....


The thing about this one, is that I have met almost everyone in this video at least once, and I have been in the building they're filming multiple times. The bareheaded guy at the end who came out, took their pictures and then sent all the troopers back to work, is retired now. He was considered a miserable asshole by almost everyone, but he was the most professional and smartest guy onsite that day, IMO. Everyone else there was busy trying to come up with some bullshit way to force these guys to at least ID themselves.

Being the guy who does the right thing and fuck what anyone else thinks about it, is a hard role to play, and most folks ain't up to it.

Intentionally antagonizing police officers really isn't my thing but I understand the argument of those who do that. The guy was able to tell the officer he didn't have an I.D. and unless the officer had a valid reason he had no reason to give his name. To the credit of the officer he understood and accepted that.

Texas DPS are some of the best trained cops around.
Their academy is 6 months long and they live on site when they attend it.

Police training is an ongoing process that cops should be required to participate in Their entire working lives.

 

[Leo123]

That's been pointed out elsewhere and on the news but another twist was added. Some folks have observed that the shooter running has the gait of a little person.

Yeah, when I first saw the video, the shooter looked like a kid to me.

 

[Leo123]

Just so we don't forget the subject of the OP

 

[Zorro!]

Or we could do something about the record inequality and upward mobility and hopelessness in the United States.... Crime is caused by poverty period if there were that many poor whites they would be the same. The average black family has 1/10 the wealth of the average white family and no they are not criminals more than whites. Amazingly. But their criminals are busy. Selling drugs to whites.. what a great GOP mess we have here.....

OR......you could STOP giving criminals and excuse to kill cops. GFY

How exactly do you "give an excuse" to execute two cops sitting in a police car harming no one?

 

[Dagosa]

do have a right to resist an unlawful arrest. Before long everyone will understand that. Its why the founders incorporated the 2nd Amendment.

You’d better not take that advice. Resisting arrest is itself a crime. FU and your second amendment. It has no place when it comes to a cop performing his duty. You’d better not resist by producing a weapon. Terrible post. The time to resist any arrest is by filing a complaint or instituting a suit after the fact. You’re giving stupid advice.

Resisting an illegal arrest is not a crime. Yes forever the cops would arrest you for that but when we have proof that the arrest was not lawful the charges get dropped. We are going to stop that practice. The cops are going to learn what they can and what they can not do or they are going to continue to lose their jobs.

Poor people can not afford to file lawsuits. I have never understood those who believe that paying people millions and millions dollars a year in settlements is a better system than proper police training.

You’re
ignorance of arrest is showing. It’s legal to arrest to gather evidence for a suspected crime. That’s what happens during OUI stops. There are many instances where arresting someone temporarily is legal without being charged later. Refusal to be temporally detained to gather evidence can get you arrested. Get a clue. Heck, in domestic disturbance, they can even arrest and remove a person they feel is in danger to remove them from the scene if they refuse to leave. .

Resisting arrest is a crime.......
You will be charge then and there if you do it. You won’t escape that charge if you could have been released for the original. DONT LISTEN TO YOURSELF. Sure, you’re a lawyer. You know what an illegal arrest is ? These guys don’t go through training with the legal system and cowboys don’t have a fking clue. You would be fking amazed at the cowboy advice given by jokers sitting in the seat beside a driver what they can and can’t do, and half these guys were in the bag too. You can legally and they do arrest the whole, Crew. The guy giving the false advice and inciting illegal behavior can be charged with a crime ! Your time to fight illegal arrest is with a lawyer and suit after wards. Poor people suddenly know more law then a cop ? What BS. You can’t go through life thinking your fking logic is a solution. It isn’t without training.

I argue that the police have no right to arrest you during an unlawful stop. You argue they have a right to arrest you during a lawful stop and tell me I am wrong.

I have no interest in this kind of discussion.

In the case where a driver was stopped with a broken tail light the passengers did absolutely NOTHING illegal. The guy the police beat is going to be rich because they would not accept no for an answer.

. Now you’re saying if the stop is illegal but maybe the suspected crime is real, the cop can’t arrest someone ? correct me if I’m wrong.....Good luck with that scenario .
We’re jumping from one assumption to another. The average person doesn’t have a clue what constitutes an unlawful stop. You’re jumping around from one idea, that you May not know more then the cops. A cop can make a stop based upon information gathering that he has to do on crimes you aren’t even aware of. You do get it happens all the time when OUI random stops, and a variety of traffic warning warning stops. If you think the stop is unlawful and try to evade it or ensuing arrest, we‘re in deep shit if you are wrong.. Cops are given lots of latitude for stops.
Cops have outstanding warrant sheets with dozens of car descriptions. We could easily be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Cooperate if we have nothing to hide. It costs us no more then a little time.

 

[Dagosa]

do have a right to resist an unlawful arrest. Before long everyone will understand that. Its why the founders incorporated the 2nd Amendment.

You’d better not take that advice. Resisting arrest is itself a crime. FU and your second amendment. It has no place when it comes to a cop performing his duty. You’d better not resist by producing a weapon. Terrible post. The time to resist any arrest is by filing a complaint or instituting a suit after the fact. You’re giving stupid advice.

Resisting an illegal arrest is not a crime. Yes forever the cops would arrest you for that but when we have proof that the arrest was not lawful the charges get dropped. We are going to stop that practice. The cops are going to learn what they can and what they can not do or they are going to continue to lose their jobs.

Poor people can not afford to file lawsuits. I have never understood those who believe that paying people millions and millions dollars a year in settlements is a better system than proper police training.

It is in Texas.
I agree that's bullshit, but it is a law here.

It can't be. There is NO law that states that I have to have I.D. on me.

No, I mean it is unlawful to resist even an illegal arrest.
I think that's bullshit personally, but that's the way the law is written.

The police are given a wide latitude for detainment. If a subject is uncooperative, it can easily turn into an arrest That is legal regardless of what you think. You don’t know the arrest is illegal, cause you don’t know what they know. If we want to play games...we’ll lose more often then not. An experienced cop doesn’t make mistakes that allow a civilian to easily determine the legality of an arrest, let alone a stop.

 

[AZrailwhale]

You have no clue.
I noticed in this thread (and others) you make many wild assumptions and crazy assertions.

The only wild and crazy assumptions made were done by the usual white supremacist race soldiers of USMB.

So tell us, how were blacks in Compton treated decades before that song was released?

This is an extremely racist assumption you make.
The assumption that even if we accept your erroneous assertion that all Compton cops are corrupt, that they would only be
corrupt against blacks.

That's your victim mentality talking.

Compton is policed by the Los Angeles County Sheriffs office. The two deputies shot were only 14 months out of the academy. It's normal practice for LASO deputies to serve their first year after the academy as guards in the jail. That only put them on the street for two months, How corrupt can anyone get in two months? What I don't understand is why two rookies were teamed together.

 

[Dagosa]

You have no clue.
I noticed in this thread (and others) you make many wild assumptions and crazy assertions.

The only wild and crazy assumptions made were done by the usual white supremacist race soldiers of USMB.

So tell us, how were blacks in Compton treated decades before that song was released?

This is an extremely racist assumption you make.
The assumption that even if we accept your erroneous assertion that all Compton cops are corrupt, that they would only be
corrupt against blacks.

That's your victim mentality talking.

Compton is policed by the Los Angeles County Sheriffs office. The two deputies shot were only 14 months out of the academy. It's normal practice for LASO deputies to serve their first year after the academy as guards in the jail. That only put them on the street for two months, How corrupt can anyone get in two months? What I don't understand is why two rookies were teamed together.

If county Sheriffs departments are anything like they are around here, they are often under funded for training and less accountable then many big city or state police forces. Police departments are not all alike with their expectations.

 

[Dagosa]

do have a right to resist an unlawful arrest. Before long everyone will understand that. Its why the founders incorporated the 2nd Amendment.

You’d better not take that advice. Resisting arrest is itself a crime. FU and your second amendment. It has no place when it comes to a cop performing his duty. You’d better not resist by producing a weapon. Terrible post. The time to resist any arrest is by filing a complaint or instituting a suit after the fact. You’re giving stupid advice.

Resisting an illegal arrest is not a crime. Yes forever the cops would arrest you for that but when we have proof that the arrest was not lawful the charges get dropped. We are going to stop that practice. The cops are going to learn what they can and what they can not do or they are going to continue to lose their jobs.

Poor people can not afford to file lawsuits. I have never understood those who believe that paying people millions and millions dollars a year in settlements is a better system than proper police training.

It is in Texas.
I agree that's bullshit, but it is a law here.

It can't be. There is NO law that states that I have to have I.D. on me.

No, I mean it is unlawful to resist even an illegal arrest.
I think that's bullshit personally, but that's the way the law is written.

You miss the point. Who are “you” to determine what an illegal arrest is. That an arrest is illegal because the charges were dropped is a false argument.

How are you going to resist ? Physically or with a weapon ? That is a crime itself.

That is why the founders created the 2nd. To protect ourselves from the government. Was Bundy found to be not guilty?

Bundy followers found not guilty at Nevada trial: newspaper

I hope this statement does not imply you’re willing to use a weapon to prevent an arrest that YOU think is illegal. You’re fking ass is grass if you start think that way. Stop repeating this bogus shit. The police are public servants there to protect everyone. If they screw up, file charges and someone will arrest their ass and charge them. It’s not your job to be a vigilantly. .

Someone should have stopped Officer Cauvin.

I will note that what we are seeing that are finally getting cops arrested and fired went on for decades with nothing done. There are still people fighting something getting done. There are still officers not being held accountable.

For some they can not file a lawsuit because they are dead. Proper training is less expensive that lawsuits.

Not going to get that training with all these fucktards running around screaming to defund the police.
I agree with Jocko that if a cop works 5 days a week, one of those days should be spent doing training. And I mean real force-on-force scenario based training with attorneys reviewing it so they can actually learn how to do it within the bounds of the law, not dumbassed diversity training bullshit.

Yes, things are changing. You can tell yourself if isn't to make yourself feel better but the change will continue anyway.

Things are changing; they're getting worse.

The good cops are retiring, moving to smaller cities in more rural areas where they are supported, or they are just plain quitting. Who do you think is getting hired to replace them?
It ain't anyone you want to have police powers, I'll tell you that.

The job, like many, is often too demanding when the training budget can’t keep up with public expectations. For a simple example, a small town that doesn’t have access to a town or licensed kennel or trained animal control officer, has to handle dog or wild animal complaints with an unqualified rookie ? . The list goes on when budgets don’t keep up with expectations.

 

[francoHFW]

Wow, Tucker Carlson’s take on this was amazing. Will post video when it’s up.

The female was shot through the jaw, and was helping the other officer. All while several animals in the area were streaming them and laughing at them.

Do black people think this makes them look good?

Do whites think it makes them look good to defend police shooting an unarmed man 7 times in the back then trying to lie about him going for a gun?

Keep disobeying cops after breaking the law. You defend a rapist and a guy that was fighting with cops, and had a knife. Fuck him, they should had kept shooting until he was dead. Low IQ thugs like that are a danger to society, they have no place here. So move to Africa and live your life free of “racism”. But of course you won’t, because you’re a coward who loves white culture and knows it’s far superior to any African culture. So keep whining like a petulant little child, you all sound like pathetic bitches.

So blacks get stopped four or five times as many as whites

Or we could do something about the record inequality and upward mobility and hopelessness in the United States.... Crime is caused by poverty period if there were that many poor whites they would be the same. The average black family has 1/10 the wealth of the average white family and no they are not criminals more than whites. Amazingly. But their criminals are busy. Selling drugs to whites.. what a great GOP mess we have here.....

OR......you could STOP giving criminals and excuse to kill cops. GFY

How exactly do you "give an excuse" to execute two cops sitting in a police car harming no one?

it's murder and he should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law duh. On the other hand if Trump ordered body cameras turned on for every cop or something like that this kind of thing might end. But he only turns on his racist or totally misinformed or both Base and divides the country with pure obstruction and disrespect.

 

[theHawk]

Wow, Tucker Carlson’s take on this was amazing. Will post video when it’s up.

The female was shot through the jaw, and was helping the other officer. All while several animals in the area were streaming them and laughing at them.

Do black people think this makes them look good?

Do whites think it makes them look good to defend police shooting an unarmed man 7 times in the back then trying to lie about him going for a gun?

Keep disobeying cops after breaking the law. You defend a rapist and a guy that was fighting with cops, and had a knife. Fuck him, they should had kept shooting until he was dead. Low IQ thugs like that are a danger to society, they have no place here. So move to Africa and live your life free of “racism”. But of course you won’t, because you’re a coward who loves white culture and knows it’s far superior to any African culture. So keep whining like a petulant little child, you all sound like pathetic bitches.

So blacks get stopped four or five times as many as whites

Or we could do something about the record inequality and upward mobility and hopelessness in the United States.... Crime is caused by poverty period if there were that many poor whites they would be the same. The average black family has 1/10 the wealth of the average white family and no they are not criminals more than whites. Amazingly. But their criminals are busy. Selling drugs to whites.. what a great GOP mess we have here.....

OR......you could STOP giving criminals and excuse to kill cops. GFY

How exactly do you "give an excuse" to execute two cops sitting in a police car harming no one?

it's murder and he should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law duh. On the other hand if Trump ordered body cameras turned on for every cop or something like that this kind of thing might end. But he only turns on his racist or totally misinformed or both Base and divides the country with pure obstruction and disrespect.

Well, tell blacks to stop committing so many crimes.

 

[francoHFW]

Wow, Tucker Carlson’s take on this was amazing. Will post video when it’s up.

The female was shot through the jaw, and was helping the other officer. All while several animals in the area were streaming them and laughing at them.

Do black people think this makes them look good?

Do whites think it makes them look good to defend police shooting an unarmed man 7 times in the back then trying to lie about him going for a gun?

Keep disobeying cops after breaking the law. You defend a rapist and a guy that was fighting with cops, and had a knife. Fuck him, they should had kept shooting until he was dead. Low IQ thugs like that are a danger to society, they have no place here. So move to Africa and live your life free of “racism”. But of course you won’t, because you’re a coward who loves white culture and knows it’s far superior to any African culture. So keep whining like a petulant little child, you all sound like pathetic bitches.

So blacks get stopped four or five times as many as whites

Or we could do something about the record inequality and upward mobility and hopelessness in the United States.... Crime is caused by poverty period if there were that many poor whites they would be the same. The average black family has 1/10 the wealth of the average white family and no they are not criminals more than whites. Amazingly. But their criminals are busy. Selling drugs to whites.. what a great GOP mess we have here.....

OR......you could STOP giving criminals and excuse to kill cops. GFY

How exactly do you "give an excuse" to execute two cops sitting in a police car harming no one?

it's murder and he should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law duh. On the other hand if Trump ordered body cameras turned on for every cop or something like that this kind of thing might end. But he only turns on his racist or totally misinformed or both Base and divides the country with pure obstruction and disrespect.

Well, tell blacks to stop committing so many crimes.

Turns out they are not committing that many more than whites, they just get stopped five times as often and get sent to prison four times as much for the same offenses it is all about poverty and the war on drugs thanks to GOP!!.... The police also believe that myth about blacks. All the discrimination and brutality against blacks are a national disgrace. And against the non-rich for that matter.... Thanks GOP

 

[pknopp]

do have a right to resist an unlawful arrest. Before long everyone will understand that. Its why the founders incorporated the 2nd Amendment.

You’d better not take that advice. Resisting arrest is itself a crime. FU and your second amendment. It has no place when it comes to a cop performing his duty. You’d better not resist by producing a weapon. Terrible post. The time to resist any arrest is by filing a complaint or instituting a suit after the fact. You’re giving stupid advice.

Resisting an illegal arrest is not a crime. Yes forever the cops would arrest you for that but when we have proof that the arrest was not lawful the charges get dropped. We are going to stop that practice. The cops are going to learn what they can and what they can not do or they are going to continue to lose their jobs.

Poor people can not afford to file lawsuits. I have never understood those who believe that paying people millions and millions dollars a year in settlements is a better system than proper police training.

You’re
ignorance of arrest is showing. It’s legal to arrest to gather evidence for a suspected crime. That’s what happens during OUI stops. There are many instances where arresting someone temporarily is legal without being charged later. Refusal to be temporally detained to gather evidence can get you arrested. Get a clue. Heck, in domestic disturbance, they can even arrest and remove a person they feel is in danger to remove them from the scene if they refuse to leave. .

Resisting arrest is a crime.......
You will be charge then and there if you do it. You won’t escape that charge if you could have been released for the original. DONT LISTEN TO YOURSELF. Sure, you’re a lawyer. You know what an illegal arrest is ? These guys don’t go through training with the legal system and cowboys don’t have a fking clue. You would be fking amazed at the cowboy advice given by jokers sitting in the seat beside a driver what they can and can’t do, and half these guys were in the bag too. You can legally and they do arrest the whole, Crew. The guy giving the false advice and inciting illegal behavior can be charged with a crime ! Your time to fight illegal arrest is with a lawyer and suit after wards. Poor people suddenly know more law then a cop ? What BS. You can’t go through life thinking your fking logic is a solution. It isn’t without training.

I argue that the police have no right to arrest you during an unlawful stop. You argue they have a right to arrest you during a lawful stop and tell me I am wrong.

I have no interest in this kind of discussion.

In the case where a driver was stopped with a broken tail light the passengers did absolutely NOTHING illegal. The guy the police beat is going to be rich because they would not accept no for an answer.

. Now you’re saying if the stop is illegal but maybe the suspected crime is real, the cop can’t arrest someone ? correct me if I’m wrong.....Good luck with that scenario .
We’re jumping from one assumption to another. The average person doesn’t have a clue what constitutes an unlawful stop. You’re jumping around from one idea, that you May not know more then the cops. A cop can make a stop based upon information gathering that he has to do on crimes you aren’t even aware of. You do get it happens all the time when OUI random stops, and a variety of traffic warning warning stops. If you think the stop is unlawful and try to evade it or ensuing arrest, we‘re in deep shit if you are wrong.. Cops are given lots of latitude for stops.
Cops have outstanding warrant sheets with dozens of car descriptions. We could easily be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Cooperate if we have nothing to hide. It costs us no more then a little time.

You are jumping from one thing to another, not me. My position has never changed.